>>21088609
Forgot to mention that I have to often do intricate custom designs as well. I still get paid the same rate even though our shops have a tipping option.

Dear me, no. I would never. I worked at a bakery but on the bread side of shit. The girls and gays who made the cakes and pastries complained constantly about how it's not fair that we got paid the same despite them doing more skilled and intricate work (never mind that our job was more physically demanding and required strength the women and homos didn't have).
Low pay is par for the course. The only way to make it worth your while is to open your own business. Still, were weren't getting paid as low as you are. I worked in that bakery about 20 years ago and earned double what minimum wage was at the time.

>>21088617
I don't know how much our bakers make since it's s completely different section and I don't know any of them but I'm glad that I'm not the only one who felt as if my time is worth much more than what I'm getting paid for.

>>21088609
>I had to make 50 basket weave cakes yesterday
Single order or just coincidence?

Also would the skills translate at all to painting miniatures? I’m not in the baking or miniature worlds but am under the impression it could be a way to make some money on the side.

>>21088727
We do big orders like that for shops quite often. I'm often in charge of custom designs and there's like people who do regular orders like that but I was told to do the regular orders yesterday. 60-70 cakes like that is not that rare for me to do.

>Also would the skills translate at all to painting miniatures?
I don't think so. I do pictures on cakes but that's traced on there and there's no shading involved and the design will look flat. Complicated images are print by a machine on paper.

>>21088609
>The pay isn't too good either. For a skilled professional I barely earn higher than a McDonald's worker.

Hate to say it but that's ALL ``professional'' food workers
Doesn't matter how skilled you are as a chef, there isn't upward salary gain if yo work in the food business

t. worked inthe food business
there's a reason why we meme about how horrible it is and full of drug addicts

>>21088803
I was under the impression that people viewed people who do cake decorations as a different category from the other f&b people

>>21088804
>I was under the impression that people viewed people who do cake decorations as a different category from the other f&b people

haha

Do you love your job? There must be a way to make more worth your while

>>21088804
I'm guessing cake decoration has a long line of women and gays wanting to get in, keeping the wages low.

>>21088848
Yes, but gays only want straight people making cakes for their fake weddings, preferably under threat, since corruption of the good is the essence of their fetish.

>>21088859
I think you missunderstand.
>>>/pol/

A damn shame
Such pretty decoration for a cake that tastes like fucking garbage

>>21088871
Kill yourself, faggot

>>21088813
I love cake decorating but not this job. The workplace is quite toxic.

>>21088848
There's not a single man where I work. Most home cooks can't do professional level work. Nothing explains the low wages.

>>21089002
That picture is not mine. I don't know how a cake can taste bad when it's just cake. Unless you're talking about fondant which mine were butter cream

>>21089087
>Nothing explains the low wages

so do something about it
sounds like you have some leverage

>>21089087
>Nothing explains the low wages

Sounds like it's an artistic endeavor, and there's a reason they're called "starving artists." There are a lot of you, and a cake that looks like crap tastes just as good as a pretty one.

>>21089087
>Nothing explains the low wages.
Capitalism. No its not your fellow wageslaves nor immigrants that are making you poor, despite what the old money windbags on the internet say

>>21088623
Oh, so you do decorating only. Okay. Got it. Yeah, I'm not sure how the cakes and pastries side of the bakery I worked in did stuff. We didn't even share ovens. I just assumed they did both the baking and the decorating. I do know that the chocolates were also made in house by yet another division, the chocolatiers, and that they worked in conjunction with the cakes and pastries folks so maybe the chocolatiers did the decorations, idfk. Us dudebro breadbakers didn't interact with them, either.

>>21089145
>theres a stereotype about artists being poor therefore you deserve to be paid shit

what kind of argument is this

Any recommendation for someone who wants to learn cake decoration?

>>21089300
Practise piping.

>>21088859
Fake weddings? It's funny because most str8toids get divorced lol the amount of divorces of straight couples is sad,not mentioning the cheating, violence ,abuse and marriages for economic reasons LOL LMAO even keep crying

>>21089660
Counterpoint: lesbians have the highest divorce rate
Countercounterpoint: gay men have the lowest divorce rate

>>21088609
Maybe ask /diy/ if decorative grouting pays well.

>>21089100
Do something like what?

>>21089145
People pay a lot of cakes. I know that our shops can charge as high as 1000 dollars for some larger cakes. I don't know how much the cakes I have made cost but I can safely assume that it's at least 20 times the amount I was paid for the time I spent on it.

>>21089267
We do have our own oven. But we don't really use it. We get our ovens from the bakery side.

>>21089300
It takes time and it's definitely on a curve that flattens out a bit but then climbs high shortly after. You can either bake your own cakes and decorate it and then consume it even if it didn't come out good or you can buy styrofoam cakes and practice on it and reuse butter cream. Get a cake decorating turntable a lot of people don't and quit because it's harder without it. Master frosting and get into other little bits like flowers it's not too hard it's very rewarding

>>21089678
>our ovens from the bakery side
Our cakes from the bakery side*
Excuse my brain fart I'm on the bus

>>21089678
like start a union with your fellow cake decorators
there might even be one you could join already
if not any local will at least be able to tell you how to do it

>>21089685
Isn't being involved with unions illegal? I'm from a red state so I don't think it's a thing. (no politics pls)

>>21089707
bro what did they teach you in school
politics aside it's just about the money, that's all unions are

>>21089682
Is there anything you’d really like to do as a job aside from cake decorating?

>>21088609
The labor theory of value is BS. Welcome to the real world.

>>21089734
>bro what did they teach you in school
I don't know I never finished school T_T

>>21090591
Not really. Cake decorating is the only marketable skill I have

>>21091481
Understand the Need: Ensure there’s a shared interest among employees for starting a union. Identify key issues like wages, benefits, safety, etc.

Organize a Committee: Form a small group of dedicated employees who are committed to leading the unionization effort.

Research: Learn about labor laws, rights, and the specific union that fits your industry. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) is a good resource in the U.S.

Build Support: Conduct one-on-one discussions with colleagues to explain the benefits of forming a union and gather support.

Official Union Contact: Reach out to a union that represents your industry. They can provide guidance, resources, and support.

Sign Union Cards: Collect signatures from at least 30% of employees. This shows a strong interest in unionizing.

File a Petition: Submit a petition to the NLRB to hold an election. The NLRB will review and set a date for the vote.

Campaign: Continue educating and persuading colleagues about the benefits of the union before the election.

Election: Employees vote by secret ballot. If the majority votes in favor, the union is officially recognized.

Negotiate a Contract: The new union representatives will negotiate with management to create a fair contract that addresses the workers’ concerns.

>>21088609
what the fuck is cake decorating? are you painting with frosting? is it harder to paint with some frosting than others? do you need to know how to draw too?
I didn't know this was a thing.

>>21088799
>We do big orders like that for shops quite often.
thats the problem. Apply at a place that does orders directly for people only. This way at least you wont have to make 1 million identical cakes with the same complex design

>>21089660
theres abuse in all types of couples, some groups are more likely to report than others

>>21091481
>I don't know I never finished school T_T
ok I get it, this is a retard bait thread. Your professional life is one huge, non planned mistake

>>21089296
>I'm going to rephrase what you posted, and I'm going to change it and add things you didn't say
>I'm also going to use green text so it looks like I'm directly quoting you

What kind of strawman is this?

>>21089678
Damn, I didn't know the prices were that high. The wife used to get like the top tier of our wedding cake every year for our anniversary and was maybe $40? I'm assuming the biggest thing that affects price is labor? Do you know what the food cost is for a cake?

>>21088609
Am I the only one who read "cock decoration"?

>>21092106
kekw
>>21088609
you fucking cock decorator
come decorate deez

>>21091879
So cake decorating is mostly in the frosting basically. Just look it up. It involves all the tiny decorations that you put on it too like edible versions of things that exist. You don't have to know how to paint but you do trace stuff.

>>21091885
They pay even lower

>>21091892
Because I didn't finish school?

>>21091987
The 1000 dollar cake was a huge wedding cake. Our shop does cakes for like 40 50 60 dollars too. It depends on the size and the amount of stuff that goes on it and whether it's a custom one or if its just off the showcase

>>21091987
>Do you know what the food cost is for a cake?
There's lots of sugar, butter and stuff like that involved which may not be too cheap.

>>21090622
Labour was the first price, the original purchase money that was paid for all things. It was not
by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all the wealth of the world was originally purchased

>>21089734
disagree. unions are about workers having some say over the conditions of their labor, which includes but does not end with pay.

>>21092300
Have you ever cum in a cake?