What are some truly unique American dishes, /ck/? (as in dishes that are not taken from another country and "improved" upon - see pizza, spaghetti, apple pie, fries etc.) Philly Cheesesteak`? Chicken Nuggets?
>>21098103Hot dogs
>>21098103Corned beef Reuben, Cubano sandwich, Italian beef sandwich, basically the best sandwiches in the world.
>>21098111>Cubano sandwichObviously Cuban>Italian beefObviously Italian
>>21098103Marilyn Monroe
>>21098118See that’s where you’d be wrong. These are made by immigrants. They don’t have Cubans in Cuba and Italian beef comes from Chicago.
>>21098121>They don’t have Cubans in Cuba
>>21098103That's a stupid question because America is literally a nation created by immigrants, so naturally it's cuisine is all an evolution of people from other countries who came here with certain traditions and developed new recipes hereIf you want "real American food" aka food from the land that wasn't America before immigrants invented it, you need to look at Native American food, which isn't really as good as any other primitive/tribal cuisine, but they invented popcorn so that's something popular to this day
>>21098124Cubanos* They were invented here by Cuban immigrants in Miami.
>>21098149Pemmican. It’s the most American food in the world. Also, corn.
>>21098149Which is why I'm going with...>>21098103Shrimp and grits. Also pone and other cornbreads. I'm not sure shoofly (and its better known variant, pecan pie) exist outside of the US. I'm from Italy and my mum's from Switzerland and I've certainly never seen either pie in either country.While gumbo has roots in a West African soup, there about as similar to each other as sushi is to its Lao ancestor (yes, you could argue that sushi originated in Laos) IE they're so different from one another that they're just two entirely different things at this point.
BBQ, probably.Low and slow indirect smoking with emphasis on sauces and rubs. While originally Caribbean, you see the biggest strides in its evolution around the appalacheans prior to it spreading westward. It's not something that culturally spread back to Europe, and probably won't because the real estate required to commercially (or even privately) run a smoker works poorly with dense populations.
>>21098103Burger and fries is THE american dish/thread
>>21098103>taken from another country and "improved" uponthat makes it unique.
>>21098103
>>21098149It's a fair question in so far as you can still ask what cultural or technological developments are unique to the US.But it also leads to an uncomfortable confusion that a lot of America's culinary contributions came from laboratories.
>>21098103High fructose corn syrup, red dye 40, garlic and onion powder.
>>21098103>>21098103
>>21098214HFCS was actually invented in japan.
>>21098195Well, even the most iconic American item, the hamburger, is literally named after Hamburg steaks of German tradition. It's just the way it is, most American food as we know it has roots in English, Irish, Scottish, Polish, German, Italian, Greek, Chinese, so on and so forthThough, it doesn't really make it any less "American" because it was still made in America, by Americans, regardless of their pre American heritage. It's like saying Italian food with tomato sauce and pasta doesn't count as their own because tomatoes and pasta both weren't native there.
>>21098118Go to Cuba and find a cubano. It originated in Miami or Tampa due to the influx of Cuban immigrants.
>>21098118Cubanos were invented by Cuban immigrants living in Tampa, Florida. Italian Beef sandwiches were invented by Italian immigrants living in Chicago
>>21098103Pizza was peasant food in Italy that didn't at all resemble what New York turned it into. It was just a flatbread with cheap ingredients like butter and onions. Poor Italians moved to America and ended up with an abundance of ingredients such as tomatoes, cheese, and sausage, hence how actual pizza was conceived. Italy didn't have modern pizza until people started visiting Italy and wondering where the pizza was. Pizza is more American than Pho is Vietnamese or Paella is Spanish.
>>21098379The italian beef is the only culinar creation to come out of chicago worth a shit.
>>21098281They want the credit for our shit but they don't want us
>>21098103All cajun food.BarbecueBuffalo WingsProbably the hamburger (Germany likely only invented the patty, not the sandwich)
>>21098401So I take it you don’t like Chicago style hot dogs?
>everyone talking about spic and ginny slop
>>21098404If I can cook thing and like it better than yours, why would I need you?
>>21098410They probably invented the bread too.
>>21098449The French probably get more credit for that
>>21098452I can't think of a single French bread roll.
>>21098447How about pumpkin pie then?
The old Time Life Foods of the World cookbook series has cookbooks dedicated to regional American cuisines. There are a lot of foods that kids of recent immigrants did not grow up eating and that you might not find in a restaurant or the prepared food section of your grocery, or only done poorly outside of the home. Succotash, for one.
Every "cuisine" in the world uses peppers and tomatoes as main ingredients. Those are from America, nerd. Everything is American.
>>21098479*South-American
>>21098481You haven't corrected me.
>>21098447Nobody cares about green bean casserole and ketchup filled sloppy joes.
>>21098118The Romans had "Persian Chicken" which was not from Persia, and Mexicans have "Milanese Chicken" which is not from Milan.
>>21098170The sort of person that writes about food these days tends to politely overstate the undeniable African contribution to Louisiana cuisine. Okra probably did come to American from the slave trade, along with blackeyed peas and some less well known beans, but it has also been used in southern European cooking since before the discovery of the new world. The tomatoes and okra combination that makes a Creole gumbo distinct from an Acadian gumbo is found all over the Carribean and is probably as new world Spanish as it is African. And Acadian gumbo did not come from Africa: it's unique to Louisiana and uses french technique (the roux), new world French ingredients (andouille), and native American ingredients (file powder)
>>21098103Well it depends on what they feel like really. I've seen them say that some foreign dish has French origins, so therefore it's French, or that pasta is Chinese and so on... But at the same time they'll say something like "oh, ya, like we toadally improved that dish, so it's like toadally American omigosh". So it's how glaring the double standards that they want to display at the time. Usually the maximum amount. Therefore pretty much all food is American and blah land of the free blah home of the brave *cue tears and wobbling chin*
>>21098410>Germany likely only invented the patty, not the sandwichA Hamburg steak has much more ingredients than a hamburger patty today. They just removed all the ingredients that were not beef mince but still kept the name for whatever reason.
>>21098509*therefore I'd say (ignoring the exceptionalism) probably hotdish, grilled cheese and biscuits and gravy, although you could probably debate them as well, if you were pedantic as those people.
>>21098509But there is stuff like chop suey that has clearly Chinese roots but it's also a distinct American dish that didn't exist in China.
>>21098518System Of A Down is an American band
>>21098522*Armenian
>>21098518Yes. Yet, a dish created in Austria using French techniques is basically French, so I've been led to believe on this site. Therefore, no, it's Chinese.
>>21098103HFCS, pemmican.
Cajun food
>>21098537Caesar salad is pretty much culturally American even though it was invented by an Italian chef in Tijuana. The Italians and Mexicans aren't really trying to claim it.
>>21098547French. Next?
>>21098553No, if it has chicken in it, the Sri Lankans invented chicken, so jambalaya with chicken is Sri Lankan you moron. Show me where anyone made Cajun jambalaya in France.
>>21098214The lowbrow and nasty tasting garlic and onion powder, black pepper, and msg fantasia of Doritos, ranch dressing, and shitty onion dips is recognizably American but god knows where it originated.
>>21098505>Okra probably did come to American from the slave tradeNo probably about it. It's definite. Gumbo is still American
Cincinnati Chili, the ultimate pleb filter.
>>21098563Loads of it has rice in it anyway, so it's Chinese.
>>21098580People wouldn't have autistic fits over this if it wasn't called chili
>>21098579Unless it came from Spain. But yes, probably from the slave trade. The word certainly does come from Africa.
>>21098447Baked beans, steamed brown bread, clam chowder, and corn fritters
>>21098410>All cajun foodIts french methodology applied to the local availability and integration with other traditions while still treating those with the same French cooking ideas. That also answers what cuisine is american, it's fusion. It's combining bits of everything.
>>21098537Does it take away from the originality and uniqueness when the roots are so traceable? Does that not make it a copy and imitation ointment actual? As long as there is no object measure, which i don't think there is, you will always find pundits on both sides. It's just a meh, whatever
>>21098698There is no cuisine in the world that is not influenced by other cuisines ffs Except maybe what those guys on Sentinel Island eat
>>21098515Well yeah but it's well within the range of what people will make at home as a hamburger. Some people like their homemade hamburgers to be practically meatloaf. And they're all a bit different from frikadellen.
BBQ, fried okra, corn bread, biscuits and gravy, fried chicken. Seafood boil too but I've never tried it. Lot of great American staples coming out of the south.
>>21098698>>21098722I don't necessarily disagree. But that's the general consensus of this board when discussing any non American cuisine. Feel free to weigh in when the shoe is on the other foot.
>>21098698If you hold French cuisine to the same standard, then there is no French cuisine, either.
>>21098801There isn't.It's all Austrian cuisine.
Salisbury steak
>>21098760>Some people like their homemade hamburgers to be practically meatloaf.My dad. He also use Mett instead of beef mince. I prefer some sausage spices like mace in my patties too but still use beef.
>>21098103>Philly Cheesesteak`?what ever the fuck that thing you posted is, it's not a Philly cheese steak it should be Amoroso rollextremely thinly sliced bottom round that gets chopped even more when you cook it onions provolone cheese (white deli American is acceptable)THAT'S IT it doesn't look pretty, it's not supposed to.
