Are there "carnivore diet" faggots out there who genuinely believe it's a healthy lifestyle choice? It seems like every self-proclaimed carnivore I've ever seen only participates in it to make other people mad - usually complete strangers.I just can't imagine giving up fruits, vegetables, bread, cheese etc. for the sake of trolling somebody else. To be honest, it seems like one big collective larp. Most meals with meat in them are still predominantly made from grains and vegetables. Is there anyone who can vouch that this is a real thing, or is it all made up?
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>>21118083Are you one of the carnivores?
>>21118079There are people who do this, but outside of some rare conditions it's definitely unhealthy. Humans are meant to eat both meat and plant matter, people who exclude either are doing their bodies a disservice (although vegans do at least have some spurious ethical reasons for doing so).
>>21118104It's easy to understand vegans because they're doing it for moral reasons. I actually respect their ability to abstain from meat because I could never do that. But an all meat diet just seems like pure hedonism mixed with an urge to "own" the vegans. I can't think of a single legitimate reason for it
>>21118112i have a lot of severe food sensitivities and was desperate to try everything after all the other advice failed to help. it did help me somewhat, but also caused problems. and made me realize i didn't previously give up eating meat just for moral reasons but also because i don't really like it that much anyway.made me figure out i need a diet based more around dairy and that most other foods are still going to cause problems for various reasons. which isn't really talked about either. there is evidence that some people may be suited to consuming a lot of dairy and do best with that but general advice is that dairy is bad or neutral at best. food issues and diet related stuff is really complicated and people who try to act like the science is completely settled when people are still sick following "healthy" diets means that there's a lot more that still needs to be considered. i don't think an all meat diet is really best for anyone though. even the inuit who seem to eat more than anyone else still consume some plant matter at times by choice. hunter-gatherers often say honey is something they favor more than meat. it can probably help short-term sometimes but long term i don't think it's ideal.
I don't eat grains and very little vegetablesmostly I eat red meat with fruit and dairyonce you don't eat sloplants for a while you feel how bloated your gut actually gets when you have a few bites of rice or something. You don't realize it now because you live in a constant state of bloated gut
>>21118121Goat milk is healthy.
>>21118170yeah i do well with that, and a2 milk. it seems like regular cow milk might cause problems but i'm not 100% sure about that yet
Carnivore is just an easy way for a very low carb diet without having to know anything. You can eat some vegetables on a low carb diet but not all. Also you seem to be confusing a standard meal with meat, grains and vegetables for a carnivore diet that's just the meat.
>>21118079>"carnivore" diet>has to put plant spices on everything to make it taste edible
>>21118174Yeah but low carb is a fad diet for faggots and landwhales that doesn't work and makes your hair fall out. I'd rather eat like a normal human.
>>21118174>picDrooling. God I wish I wasn't so poor.>textI guess I can respect doing it for weight loss, but isn't animal fat just as carb dense as vegetable oil? I guess it'd work if you only eat lean stuff>Also you seem to be confusing a standard meal with meat, grains and vegetables for a carnivore diet that's just the meat.Isn't that what the carnivore diet is though? Minimal (if not none) vegetables and grains in favor of meat and meat products
>>21118492>but isn't animal fat just as carb dense as vegetable oil?yes, but generally the nutrients in animal products are more easily absorbed. this can help reduce feeling hungry all the time for some people.
>>21118083Nah, just a standard, run-of-the-mill low self esteem thread. Depressed anons make them to try to bond over a shared dislike of whatever group they post about. It's a circle jerk for the chronically unemployed basement dweller.
>>21118079Why don't you bother to learn exactly what the "carnivore" diet really is?You don't completely eliminate vegetables or dairy. Cheese is fine.
If you're on carnivore diet but only eat steak and no organs you're a poser.
>>21118646it doesn't make sense for cheese to be carnivore but not milk
>>21118079Only government agents care about controlling other people's (eating) behavior with shame, blame and guilt while pretending it's for your own good while actually doing it for their own benefit at the cost of your wellbeing.
>>21118885Then why do so many regular people do it? Are they all undercover agents?
>>21118079Genuinely every time it comes up all I can think is what their hypothetical poop situation must be like. Surely it would be fucking agony right?
word of the day>Dehydrated colon
>>21120417Like a black anus-ripping brick
>>21118079I previously did it for a little over 2 months. It was great. Reverted back to a meat-heavy low-carb diet e.g. still eating fruits and veggies, some tortillas and bread, etc.. really just because I missed junkfood.Now I'm back on carnivore. Day 5 currently
>>21120796What made you jump back? Sounds like you found an ok balance
>>21118646There is no actual concrete definition of the carnivore diet because it's a fad diet passed around by meme grifters who each have their own standards for what the diet is. Some say you can eat honey, some say dairy, some say no dairy. You are now saying you can eat vegetables, which is a rather uncommon version of the diet.
>>21119797There were no regular people who do carnivore. They're all mentally unwell people who often get viscerally upset when other people mention that they eat anything else other than meat. The promoters online all sell supplements and The so-called doctors that promote it or have promoted it have changed their diet because it gave them deficiencies and sickness or have been embroiled with ethics violations and lost their license or claim that all plants are "toxic".
>>21120428That's a phrase.
>>21120850>people who often get viscerally upset when other people mention that they eat anything else other than meatThis never happened>The promoters online all sell supplementsThis is correct and people should be very critical of themEverything else you wrote is either wrong or hyperbole
>>21120860I guess maybe I've just been exposed to more carnivore people To have formed that opinion of them, I'm glad we agree on the other point though.
>>21120417You get constipated if you don't eat enough fat. If you eat too much fat you get diarrhea. You can find a balance but it was still never 100% normal for me when I tried it.
>>21120870This alone should tell you that it's an unhealthy fad diet. You can eat a low fat, balanced diet, or a high fat, balanced diet, or a moderate fat, balanced diet, and have fine bowel movements. The fact that bowel movements come up so frequently in the discussion of carnivore, it's insane to me how people don't recognize this as a fad.
>>21120874It makes some people wonder if they should go raw carnivore, some have said they only have issues with cooked meat and cooked fat but not with raw. I never liked rare steaks or burgers so I didn't want to go that far and gave it up.Some people just have really complex issues and will try anything I guess. A lot of them do end up giving up these diets when issues linger. And that's why a lot of the long-term members of those communities become kind of fanatic and act like continuing despite difficulties is just a test of willpower rather than a sign that something is wrong.
>>21120887I guess it's somewhat consoling to see a lot of the influencers turning away from it, so hopefully people come to their senses.
>>21120890Yeah it's funny to see people who were considered authorities say that they had issues with the diet and gave it up and the reactions of people after. I saw that and another who said that trying to give up the diet made things worse but that person seemed less trustworthy for a few reasons.
>>21120822Somewhat out of nowhere I developed some form of anxiety. It happened after I had a panic attack after a series of events coupled with some internet searches made me believe I was having a stroke. Since the panic attack I developed anxiety. This is my attempt at a 'gut reset' more or less, and also just for the heck of it to see what effects if any a purely meat diet has on my psychology and possibly anxiety
>>21118112There is nothing moral about refusing to eat animals. You are a moral relativist. We hold dominion over all animals. You just have some backward ass nureligion that holds animals sacred.
>>21118174Ever thought of just eating less carbs instead of risking your life on a fucking all-meat diet? retard
>>21120417I watched a video on a dude who tried the diet genuinely and he said he felt like actual shit and got constipated and basically pooped out black rocks and couldn't keep at iti think it's full on bs
I am going to bet the next diet is going to be a "lobster" diet where people eat foie gras, lobster caviar and scallops as their only foods, with truffle and expensive asf organic vegetables.its all fucking posing
>>21118079ok so let me TL;DR this for you real quickmeat is medicine not foodit's basically for snowbunnies not gymratsyou still need to cut and bulk on this shit and play with your hunger, it's basically food yogaI mean shieee look at the arctics they're happy and gucci as hell until we gave them cocky collar.
>>21121120Literally nothing you just said made any sense whatsoever.
Carnivores and low-carb meat lovers, how much meat do you eat a day?I usually eat 600 grams (sometimes with greens or sauce)Today I ate 700 grams and I think I've pushed my limit.
>>21118079I tried it and it gave me diarrhea that smelled like the worst dog shit ever.
>>21121676Fuck off vegan
>>21121678Diarrhea is a very common complaint with carnivore. Calm down
>>21121242You know I was thinking the same thing. "what?"
>>21121690Who could have guessed that no fiber equals painful liquid shit
>>21121698I dont need you to yes man my posts
I tried it for a little bit, I think I lasted a month. Energy sucked to the point where it was hard to move my arms after only a couple hours at work. Maybe I would have adapted to it if I stuck to it longer, but I see no reason to cut out carbs unless I wanted to lose weight.
>>21121668>Carnivores and low-carb meat lovers, how much meat do you eat a day?I don't really measure, but I think I'm right around there. In general for a big meal I don't eat more than a 1/2lb steak which I believe is about 1 kilo. Most days I eat less meat than that
>>21118079I'm doing the carnivore diet for a month. So far after a week I'm down 7lbs. If this pace keeps up, I could be at my goal weight in 10 or 12 weeks. I doubt that'll happen, but for now I'm doing carnivore. It's weird though, and I don't really like it
>>21121908>I don't really like itWhat don't you like?
This has to be a bot thread. How is cheese not a part of a carnivore diet? You are literally eating a product that comes from meat.
>>21121101Most animals don't seem to want to die. So forcing them to die anyway seems kind of immoral. If you can't come up with some kind of actual reason why this is okay other than "well we're in charge and can do it anyway" then you might not have a good argument.
>>21118079it's similar to veganism in that it's extremely difficult to adhere to. especially if you have a social life. family or friends will think something is wrong with you if you constantly tell them no you can't go out with them to x place. there's also a cost issue to only eating meat products, it's not cheap. maybe that's why some people are losing weight! (just kidding, haha).
>>21121723is losing energy on the carnivore diet a common thing? or does that only affect some people?
>>21122030>If you can't come up with some kind of actual reason why this is okay other than "well we're in charge and can do it anyway" then you might not have a good argument.All animals will die at some point. Prove me wrong. You can't.
>>21122041It seems pretty common. People say you just need to eat more fat, or give it time, or take electrolyte supplements, etc. But our muscles can store a lot of glycogen for energy which comes from carbs. That's why athletes load up on carbs and regularly consume sugar during longer sessions and why there aren't many athletes doing such low carb diets.A lot of people might notice an increase in energy at first if their diet was previously making them sick but once their muscles are all depleted of glycogen that's probably when fatigue sets in.
>>21122041>is losing energy on the carnivore diet a common thing?Yeah, it seems universal. They call it the "keto-flu" and supposedly it will go away with time when your body adapts to burning fat as fuel. I was more worried about the fact that the Carnivore diet killed my libido entirely.
>>21122046They still don't want to be killed.
>>21122070>They still don't want to be killed.I can prove that all animals die at some point. Can you prove that your statement has any basis on fact?
>>21118079>does the carnivore diet really existYes. Look at Eskimos.
>>21122046>>21122072>Mein Führer, please don't torture and kill the jews, they don't want to die and have feelings too>It's ok all humans will die at some point. prove me wrong you can't lol!You have the makings of a meat schizo, grats
>>21122072Yes, you can see animals actively resist being killed and showing signs of distress when threatened. And continuing to want to engage in behaviors that keep them alive. Can you prove that things will never change in the future? Probably not.
>>21122082They still eat plant matter sometimes. The stomach contents of herbivorous animals or times when berries might actually be available. They don't say all plants and carbs are evil poisons that need to be avoided.
>>21122085>Yes, you can see animals actively resist being killed and showing signs of distress when threatened. And continuing to want to engage in behaviors that keep them alive.Humans are also animals by definition. Do humans ever commit suicide? Fuck you, Retard.
>>21122091cool shitposting
>>21122094>cool shitpostingYeah... says the guy who thinks animals with no measurable IQ are human and deserve human rights. Fuck you, Retard.
>>21122097cool
>>21118112>>21122030>>21122070>>21122085a light of hope in a meatlard threadplease keep being based and compassionate bro
>>21118079> Blah blah blahMost people eat too many carbs period and would benefit from cutting back on them.I've been keto for 15 years, I usually stay on it because it clears up autoimmune issues and skin problems, digestive issues. Keto allows for 20-50 net carbs per day, which is plenty. You can eat whole heads of lettuce and it has barely any carbs.Recently I discovered black soybeans, they are very low-carb.Carbonaut bread is excellent, it's both low carb and gluten free, has a nice texture, taste good.Having fruit is compatible with keto, you can have an apple or some berries or something. Look up how many carbs are in each fruit.Most green vegetables you can have plenty of.> "People only do something to make other people (i.e. me because I'm petty and egotistical) made. I completely made up this reason. How can anyone do something for a reason I completely made up and projected onto them?" You are literally retarded.
>>21122111Haha, yeah, I get lots of them feels right in my heart, yo, when zoomer hipsters tell those boomer daddy ohs off. Especially when it's in defense of all those things that humans eat in order to survive.
>>21118079>It seems like every self-proclaimed carnivore I've ever seen only participates in it to make other people mad - usually complete strangers.If that's true then they are terminally online but so are you. Nobody goes to that much trouble to pwn the libs, it's clearly done for health reasons.>>21121105I've seen plenty of vegans who look like death but never a carnivore.
>>21122135>Keto allows for 20-50 net carbs per day, which is plenty.No it isn't. You are lying if you say you won't crave carbs beyond that.
>>21122136There's a difference between "I need to eat this to survive" and "I can eat this because animals can't stop us from eating them".Most people are eating way more than they need for survival too.
>>21122156>There's a difference between "I need to eat this to survive" and "I can eat this because animals can't stop us from eating them".>Most people are eating way more than they need for survival too.Life must suck for people like you who choose to not be at the top of the food chain, Mr. Omega.
>>21122165i'm actually at the top of the food chain because i'm a cannibal
>>21122150that's because you're addicted to them
It's really sad how every single carnivore thread just devolves into people insulting and attacking each other. I personally don't care if you do a carnivore diet or a vegan diet or a Mediterranean diet or a Pescatarian diet or do one meal a day or fasting. If it works for you, it works for you. But every single time one of these thread exists, it's just people being upset at what other people are eating. People call each other vegan retards and grain-brain and all kinds of personal attacks are thrown around. It's my personal belief that people who get really really attached to these very specific diets because they're just inherently unhappy and they want to have a sense of self-control and ritual and when people threaten that by doubting the truth of the diet they chose it makes them feel personally attacked and then you get threads like this just full of absolutely viscerally upset people screaming nonsense
>>21122174I only had that issue because of starch. It made my blood sugar spike and crash, then I'd have cravings for sugar. I'm still technically considered low carb by some at about 100g per day, but if I go much lower than that I start feeling tired all the time. I tried giving up carbs and doing keto for a long time and it never improved until I started consuming more carbs again. But it has to mainly be lactose from milk, or small amounts of fruit or honey. I think people are adapted to consuming carbs, but not everyone tolerates all sources of carbs the same. Most people know about lactose intolerance which is a form of carb intolerance, but there is also fructose intolerance and starch intolerance. One type of carb can actually make someone feel sick while another form could be just fine.
>>21122186Agreed, dieters are mentally ill and need to be treated very carefully before it grows into a full-blown eating disorder
>>21118079Eddie Hall (world's strongest man winner) often does bouts of full carnivore because it's one of the best ways he can build muscle and he says overall that's when he feels the best. But it also doesn't mean literally only eating meat (cheese is a big thing for example) it's about reducing carbs and maxing protein.
>>21122213To be fair carnivore is an eating disorder
>>21122230And, they have to be careful about their intake or blow their kidneys, even when they drink enough water. Don't kid yourself that it's utterly safe.
>>21122240Sure, but it works for him and he is in good health. You can also be full vegan like Graham Elwood and eat nuts and surf all the time if you're careful how you do it. That's one of the great things about self determination, you can and should seek what works best for you and your needs.
>>21118134Correct.In about a year my diet completely changed compared to before and I feel so much better. But when I do eat some crap these days, I feel fucking horrible.If you're bloated or farting or whatever discomfort, why are you still eating that food? Your body is telling you not to.The more you start listening to your body, the more you hear.Legumes are notorious but also a lot of seeds and nuts can cause issues. When I consume seeds or nuts I always soak them a day beforehand.I believe the main problem about food is that people don't realize that industrialization made us eat completely different.A bread today is not a bread of 100 years ago. Bread was always long-risen, breaking down the grains phytin acid. Nowadays everything has to go fast.That's why sourdough is so good, not just because of it's culture but because of the long rise.A woman used to be cooking 2,5 hours a day on average. Now we spent 20 minutes a day in the kitchen (and citydwellers probably even a lot less if they even cook at all).You don't make a fresh healthy meal with non-processed ingredients in 20 minutes.But the number 1 issue is sedentary lives. Our great grandparents didn't go sit down after a meal, they stood up and went back to work and burnt those carbs right away. We go sit on our asses to rest after a meal, if we're even active at all. A dude eating goyslop every day but living an active life will be better off longterm than someone eating healthy but sitting on his ass all day.
>>21122258>If you're bloated or farting or whatever discomfort, why are you still eating that food? Your body is telling you not to.Sometimes yes, but it can also be the result of gut damage making you struggle with foods that would otherwise be safe. I had issues with milk but it turned out to be from me being sensitive to other acidic foods that were weakening my digestive system. After giving them up my issues with milk started disappearing.
>>21118492>>21118504>vegetable oll and animal fat equally carb dense This is the type of agreement that proves the peta bots and shills here. This is factually correct but it's because both have zero carbs.
>>21122089Besides the occasional caribou or muskox, none of the animals they eat are herbivores. The number of servings of plants they eat each year is trivial.
>>21121993>What don't you like?I miss fruit. I never at a lot of fruit, not more than a piece every few days. But I am truly craving it now. I have these mandarins in the fridge and I want to eat one so fucking bad. I might break carnivore just to eat one. That's the main craving. I can handle not having bread/pasta/rice but no fruit is a serious challenge. I'll probably switch my diet to mostly carnivore but with some fruit and veggies going forward. I just don't think I could do this diet very long term. It's not horrible though. I'm not starving in between meals. I'm quite satiated otherwise
>>21122334Just eat fruit dude. Fruit has been a large part of our diet from times when we were still monkeys in trees. The whole thing with low carb is the same as "fat and sugar is bad cuz it makes you fat".It's an oversimplification for the dumb masses to tell em to stop eating 3 bags of doritos as breakfest.Carbs aren't bad, they're bad if you eat fructose goyslop all day. Fruits are stacked with good stuff, they're totally fine. You'll feel better on 100-150g of (healthy) carbs than on this <50 keto thing.Hunter-gatherer societies consume up to 50% in carbs; where honey, fruits and some root veggies make up for the majority of those carbs.
>>21118079>no mention of the most famous internet carnivore Jack Scalfani!
I feel like keto and carnivore are for fat people who ate McDonalds their whole life so their metabolism is fucked. Same thing happens to Europeans who come to America, they get explosive diarrhea and put on weight.
>>21122280I didn't even notice it said carbs. I assumed it said calorie dense.
>>21122383>just eat fruit!>posts a picture of mostly root vegetables.
>>21122602Yes, both of those things happened. Near the end of the post they also mention root vegetables.
>>21118112I tried doing it cause i was a stupid fat kid who fell for the memesI now eat normally. I only had one real problem with a meat-only diet, and that's that if you don't want shitting to be a painful experience you NEED fiber. My meals are still mostly protein, but I make sure to have my veggies too
>>21118079Is the old man in the leather supposed to mean something? When someone says..... and?Where's the rest? Is this a video?
>>21118079>only participates in it to make other people madYou can't possibly actually believe that.
>>21120849You're an absolutist retard. There are many diets which ban bread and pasta. Do you think they are all extreme, meat-only diets? Who is "grifting" and what are they after? What's to be gained by promoting fewer carbohydrates? Keep eating stupid sugar, faggot. You don't understand anything.
>>21123092In your rage you failed to address anything I said.
>>21121908That weight is just water/liquids you've lost. Every single fad diet in existence promising fast results rely on it by having first timers saying they lost 1-3 pounds in a week when they started. You'd be extremely pressed to lose that in terms of fat if all you did was change your diet.I'm not telling you to stop but don't expect anything near those results later on.
>>21122383I know, I'm just overweight and told myself I would do this for 30 days and then evaluate. So far I have lost some weight. But I might break it soon, it doesn't seem sustainable
>>21123324>it doesn't seem sustainableMost likely you're just missing a sugar rush. 30 days sounds like a reasonable period to figure shit out so I think you should stick with it
