>sour kraut>kombucha>nattoWhy are fermented foods so consistently the most absolutely fucking repulsive foods on the planet? Why do people keep making them?
>>21633740>Why do people keep making them?so others can drop epic deuces, and some people enjoy the taste...duh...>>>/trash/
>>21633745my friend's dad made sourkraut one time and the entire house literally smelled like a sewer. like hot raw doody shit everywhere, it smelled like fecal matter. sourkraut made the entire area smell like a port-a-potty
>>21633746Fermented products can be really fucking good, but when you fuck them up they are truly awful and can just kill you. I home-make a lot of stuff but the closest I get to fermenting things at home is culturing dairy products over a few days.
>>21633740> Why are fermented foods so consistently the most absolutely fucking repulsive foods on the planet?Because they are the real identity foods for a culture since they are the ones that requires repetitive exposure to appreciate them It's the same for you actually. Generally speaking, if an asian tries for the first time green olives, blue cheese or other fermented food of another country's tradition, they'll find them repulsive. Just like you find repulsive natto or the fermented shark they eat in iceland The funny thing is that, after a certain times of exposure to said foods, you'll not only find those "just" palatable, but actually they are the one for which you'll find them particularly tasting The same applies for alcoholic beverages for quite the same reasons, since they generally are fermented. If a child tries beer, wine or wishkey they'll find them horrible, but once grown up they'll be able to appreciate them
taste is fine but good lord the texture of natto is horrid
>>21633753>>21633763How about you just stop eating categorically rotten food?>green olives>blue cheese>alcoholic beveragesAlso nasty.
>>21633768All great. Cheese, yogurt, cultured butter, also all "categorically rotten" but I'd call you even more of a tasteless fag if you hated them as well and yes they count. Some fermented food is nasty but there is good stuff too so shut the fuck up.
Daily reminder that claims of something being an "acquired taste" or "for a mature palette" are code for peer pressure and Stockholm syndrome.
>>21633740For cooking I like fermented ingredients like doubanjiang, miso and gochujang tbqh
>>21633763(cont)The reason you find them repulsive is because your ape brain adapted ourself to despise acidic and bitter food because in nature the former typically signals spoiled food and the latter a poisonous. So your first reaction is to spit them out of your mouth in order to not get sick or die. But again, after continuous exposure and not getting sick you'll start recognize those food as "safe to eat" and you learn to appreciate them If you think about it, fermented foods are actually foods that have strong flavor, everything else is pretty bland compared to them
>>21633775Fermented food is literally spoiled food.
>>21633768>>21633775>rottenThey are not rotten, they are fermentedAnd your guts actually benefit from them, food hyper-hygienism it's a modern societal perversion Technically speaking, bread is also fermented.
>>21633766eh I've eaten cum natto is fine
>>21633777Long answer It’s literally the opposite. Fermentation was developed across all cultures in the world precisely to prevent food from spoiling in the absence of reliable refrigeration.The controlled proliferation of certain bacterial species serves not only to lower the pH of the food or solution thus preventing the growth of spoilage-causing bacteria,but also provides microbiological protection: the saturation of bacteria helps colonize the biological niche, so that when harmful bacteria inevitably come into contact with the food, they cannot proliferate. This had the added benefit of sanitizing food at a time when people had no knowledge of germ theory: individuals handling fermented food with dirty hands something that would have led sterile food to rot didn’t cause spoilage, thanks to fermentation.The same thing happens in your gut: if your intestine is already colonized by these same bacteria (and in general teeming with microbes), then when you inevitably ingest some Salmonella or other pathogenic bacteria, they can't thrive because the biological niche is already occupied. As a result, you don’t get sick. On the other hand, in an intestine with few bacteria, the pathogens could gain the upper hand
>>21633780>>21633807Fortuitously and unknowingly, we can now also see that the fermentation process, which was originally aimed at preserving food, actually did much more.In fact, during fermentation, multiple processes take place some are shared across different foods, while others are specific to the particular food being fermented.For example, in whole grains, a spontaneous fermentation that involves soaking them in just water for an extended period activates the phytases present in the grain kernel. Once activated, these enzymes break down phytic acid, which is responsible for chelating the minerals found in the bran and the outer layers of the grain.In general, fermentation also leads to an increase in both the quantity and quality of proteins, thanks to the biomass of fermentative bacteria. In some cases, there is even an increase or preservation of vitamins such as vitamin C in sauerkraut which degrades much more slowly than in fruit (taking only a few weeks instead of many months). This is what allowed sailors to avoid dying from scurvy because they weren't able to preserve fresh fruitsA prime example is soy: in fact, it was rarely consumed as it is, but has almost always been eaten after undergoing fermentation processes (primarily bacterial). Only recently, within the last 100 years, have people started consuming unfermented soy, such as soy milk.In the case of natto, fermentation works remarkably well: it improves the digestibility of proteins through protease activity, leads to the development of nattokinase, a powerful fibrinolytic enzyme, and results in the formation of a remarkable amount of vitamin K2, specifically in the MK-7 form, which is essential for osteogenesis and is practically absent in fresh food.Vitamin K2 is produced by converting K1, which is found in fresh foods, but the conversion process is inefficient.
>>21633807>>21633817tl;dr mud huts in africa tier civilizations used a controlled process to make their food rotten first so it was slightly more edible than more rotten foodthankfully refrigeration exists in the 21st century so we no longer have to suffer such obsolete methods of food preservation
>>21633876Refrigerators are a symbol of your enslavement to modern society.All traditional preservation techniques, aside from representing cultural identity (as mentioned in previous posts), also help you maintain your health.The refrigerator was born out of the need to preserve foods that no longer have a beneficial bacterial load, bacteria that would otherwise help sanitize the food and extend its shelf life.The food industry and large-scale distribution, on the other hand, since they want to produce massive batches of food and don’t give a damn about your health, began to systematically apply pasteurization and sterilization processes (instead of applying it when really needed). This allowed them to use low-quality raw ingredients and worry less about the production process.Moreover, since they truly don’t care about your well-being, they pay no attention to the long-term effects of food sterilization. A batch contaminated with listeria, salmonella, or botulinum (the latter becoming more of a risk with modern sterilization techniques) can be traced back to the producer. But a colostomy or a tumor developed 40 years later? That can’t be directly linked to them.TL;DR: You’re basically the industry's little whore, and they’re more than happy to sell you garbage.
>>21633740Americans manage to prove they are cultureless in more ways than one
>>21633896didn't readstop eating nasty acidic spoiled food retardyou aren't a peasant in the middle ages trying to make it through the winter anymore
>>21633917> TL;DR: You’re basically the industry's little whore, and they’re more than happy to sell you garbage.
>>21633917He gave you several reasons why you're a fucking retard so I don't blame you for not wanting to subject yourself to it.
>>21633920colloquially recognized fermented foods are icky and have gross smells, textures, and tastes to the majority of peoplenormal people only put up with it out of necessity and once better preservation techniques emerged they abandoned your nasty rotten food as fast as they couldyou lost, they were never on your side
>>21633763I liked natto the first time I tried it. It's really good with raw tuna belly and raw egg yolk.
>>21633929>colloquially recognized fermented foods are icky and have gross smellsthat's because> TL;DR: You’re basically the industry's little whore, and they’re more than happy to sell you garbage.,tasteless food that it's just a combination of the same 4 class of ingredients (refined starches, sugar, salt, vegetable fats + artificial aromas), the ones produced by big-sterilization industry > normal people only put up with it out of necessity and once better preservation techniques emerged they abandoned your nasty rotten food as fast as they couldAnd they develop allergies like we see the rise nowadays. Also the consume of hyper-hygienic food is correlated to autoimmune diseases Keep sucking the industry cock. TRUST LE SCIENCE!1!!1
>>21633920This. You btfo the rotten little fermentlet. He's even falsely generalizing things to make his retarded view on fermented food seem true now. Kek
>>21633740Sauerkraut is good on reubens and kielbasa in controlled amounts though
>>21633957>thoughESL post
>>21633957I like eating an enormous amount of kraut with boiled potatoes and sauced up pork cutlets.
>>21633943It can happen, especially if have already being exposed to other fermented food. The "problem" is that natto, unlike western fermentation is an alkaline fermentation, therefore it develop an ammonia taste you might not enjoy if you are not used to other alkaline fermentationAs with the vast majority of fermented foods produced by large-scale distributors, not only is the product pasteurized, but the fermentation is also often stopped prematurely to avoid overly pronounced flavors.To find out if you actually like it, you should try making it yourself or alternatively turn to small-scale producers preferably local ones if you are lucky to live nearby one
>>21633954kill yourself retard
>>21633958I'm right yobeit>>21633959I think that sounds pretty bad and just a little kraut is all I want to eat and only with the foods I listed or something like ham and pork would be fine probably but only a bit on the side
>>21633966> t. bacterialet
>>21633976i have a bacterial load for you right here fag
>>21633992You might want to check that with an andrologist
>>21633781They are not even remotely the same
>>21633998I'll trust your expertise.
>>21633970Absolute and complete krautlet. You should be embarrassed you rambling retard. The acidity and crunch of good kraut is the perfect accompaniment to a fatty pork chop you cooklet fuck. The saltiness and flavor of kraut works perfectly with potatoes as well. You are just too stupid to recognize the true power of such a combination. >A little bit of kraut is all I want!You're a little bit of a bitch, cunt.
>>21634068No, just a little as a garnish for meat or maaaaybe a bit on the side of a sloppa meal is the way to go, eating a lot of sauerkraut isn't the right move
>>21634075You are one stupid little bitch and I know you have never had proper homemade kraut.
>>21633753>but when you fuck them up they are truly awful and can just kill youthat literally doesn't happen unless you ferment raw meat
>send it back waiter! This is simply too much kraut and I cannot handle it! Yes I am the biggest bitch in town! Wah wah wah.
>>21634086No, eating food that has been sitting in bad conditions for a long time could fuck your shit up.
>>21634068>>21634079>>21634093it smells like literal shittake your nasty fecaloid-fetish foods and cram it you retarded german
This is the correct meat to potato to kraut ratio. If you disagree then you are a certified krautlet and probably a homosexual.>>21634086Shit can get moldy, or if you're extremely retarded and dont add any or way too little salt you could get btfo pretty bad. Usually the absolute stank of rot will stop you from eating your fuckup.
>>21634099>This faggot admits to only ever having literal shitty kraut. LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF. I WAS RIGHT AND THE KRAUTLET ADMITTED TO IT! LAUGHING OUT LOUD. HE IS RETARDED!
>>21633771Nah, tastes change. Beer is a good example for fermented stuff. Even into my 20's I'd drink other alcohol but never liked the taste of beer. Then one day, after hours of yard work in the summer sun, I suddenly craved it. I went to the store all filthy, grabbed a cold 30 pack of some bottom end domestic lager, and sat there in my garage chugging. I've not had a beer since that I've not enjoyed.
>>21634113alcohol is literal poison and tastes like bitter shit. you are a degenerate who got groomed into convincing yourself you like it
>>21634116>muh poisonGrow up
>>21633746he had to fuck up big time
>>21633740Is there a bigger babymouth filter than fermented foods?
>>21634199don't let my foods touchdon't eat fermented foodssterilize all foods i eatsimple as
>>21634209A guy like that wouldn't be a picky eater
>>21634223don't care, picky eaters are the master race
>>21634241>delusional picky eaterEveryone secretly hates you.
>>21634247you lost
>>21634247its not even a secret bro. Everyone hates picky eaters explicitly. He is a child who never grew up
>>21633740to know who is man and who is boy
>>21634251says the guy filtered by wet cabbage
>>21634251>delusional picky eater acts more delusional than usual.Kek
>>21634079No, not at all. Eating a lot of sauerkraut is gross, I just want a little on a sandwich or with kielbasa, you're going overboard, your way of life is gastronomically immoral.
>>21633746i did the same thing.no clue how i fucked up so bad, i followed the recipe to a T
>>21633740sour krat is good on bratsnever heard of the other 2op pic looks disgusting
>>21633740Kombucha just tastes like vinegar, but kraut and natto are based and I fement both at home. I also am on month seven of my first batch of miso, I bought a cedar miso tub from Japan at a reasonable price hand made by some ancient craftsman. I heard the first batch out of a cedar tub can taste cedar-y and other people have said that's nonsense. It took a while to really get going, couple months, but now it looks and smells exactly like miso with a light hint of cedar aroma too. If nothing else it will be good for coating fish and things on the BBQ, but the koji is still a bit firm so I didn't taste it yet. That aroma might just dissipate.The tub isn't super large, 12"x18" or so, but it'll easily be 20 pounds of miso.
>>21635627nice blog fag
What would happen if someone ate a can of saurkraut?
>>21636533It would be very painful.
>>21634953>t. Tastelet amd krautlet
>>21635627>natto are based and I fement both at homeI tried making natto 5 times and never succeeded. It's probably because I didn't use a starter but it's not so easy to find it where I live
>>21636620You can make it from other natto. You probably didn't have the heat worked out, it likes 108-120 degree heat for 12-20 hours then it needs 2 weeks to mellow.
>>21633740You forgot beer and kimchi
>>21633917You clearly read it, retard. Otherwise you wouldn't have replied in response to how butthurt you are about someone pointing out your immeasurable stupidity lmao what a little bitch
>Why do people like delicious foodBecause it tastes good. Why don't you make another chicken tender thread instead
>>21636718it tastes like fucking shit you disingenuous retardi had chicken breast and tater tots tonight, a normal meal that isn't nasty as shit
What's wrong with sauerkraut? It's godly in soups or eaten with brats. It's also a nice topping for hot dogs along with some spicy mustard.
>>21636560Nah it's just, I want the correct (small) amount of kraut in the correct gastronomic context is all
>>21636740It tastes like shit and only Bajuwaren willingly eat it.
>>21637613>filtered faggot
>>21636734You sound like a toddler, lol.
I'm so tired of tryhard "I'm white and only eat steak and potatoes" ESLs on this board it's unreal.
>>21637225>tastelet copeYour sensibilities are as juvenile as a literal juvenile. An autistic juvenile!
>>21637872Any meal with potatoes can be improved significantly with a healthy serving of kraut. This is a fact.
>>21637872A lot of our poor posters aren't even allowed a hot plate in their dorms and barracks. They have no choice but to either eat out or get food from the mess hall.Makes a lot more sense once you realize that.
>>21633740Because you need to shut up and stop shaming people in their tireless search for nutrition and... survival.
>>21633746>my friend's dad made sourkraut one time and the entire house literally smelled like a sewer.You keep the barrel outside.
>>21633740vitamin K
>>21633766>texture of natto is horridLike how?
>>21633740>good bacteria>Vit C, >Nattokinase (bioweapon proteins hate this, and firm ass and titties love this)
>>21633740Idk, miso's pretty good
>>21638695it's like semen
>>21634113>picks grass flavour>instead of apple or pear cideryou are a sheep
>>21637878Nah the thing is though that you're wrong and your lifestyle, taste and preferences are all bizarre, eccentric, and subpar. Now, eating sauerkraut, of course. Who wouldn't?But mainly, the thing is, sauerkraut is best as a generous but managed garnish on an existing dish - ideally a sauerkraut or maybe a reuben sandwich.
>>21639189See>>21634105>>21634101>>21634093>makes up stupid tasteless garbageMaybe one day you will learn... For now you are beneath me, kid.
>>21639194Just use kraut properly instead of worshipping it you dumb kraut sheesh
>>21639202I only worship your mother, idiot. A bite of kraut with each bite of everything else is normal and widely enjoyed around the world. You don't use it like a chopped herb garnish you unfathomable retard cooklet. Stop being so scared of a healthy portion of kraut, krautussy. Sheesh
>>21639219It's good that you worship her, she was a great woman but at the same time she would consider that idolatrous, and tell you she was but a humble servant of the Lord who you should worship with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.Also kraut by itself is mid, much better on a kielbasa or reuben.
>>21639238Based, but sad you have never had good kraut. It rivals the pickled pickle in deliciousness, refreshing acidity and satisfying crunch. A bite of good kraut is a delicious snack all on its own, fact. I suggest you attempt to make your own. Thin long slices of cabbage and allow it to ferment for 3 weeks before refridgerating.
>>21633768Oh, right, you have autism.
>>21635627i make my own kombucha and it tastes nothing like vinegar. what type of kombucha are you drinking?fyi i fucking hate the taste and smell of vinegar
>>21633740Because it was the only source for certain vitamins in certain isolated areas.
>>21639327That's cool and all but really people just find ways to keep their food rotting. Even your humble urban stoner making microwave nachos remembers little things here and there about spreading a budget or conveniently storing food for later. This adds up over generations.
>>21639337Did the food rot "good" first? Or did they set out to properly preserve it with fermentation? I have seen both arguments but the clear winner is that these processes, which are natural, were first observed happening coincidentally and then only later intentionally used to preserve food.
