The show must go on! EditionWelcome to /Deer/!>What is /Deer/?/Deer/ is a thread for fans of Alastor, the Radio Demon, from Amazon Prime’s hit series Hazbin Hotel. /Deer/ is a safe space to discuss, promote, and create content for our favorite deer man!>Who we are…We are deer friends from all walks of life who come together in this thread to share content related to Alastor. We are inclusive and welcome everyone who is interested in the Red Stag.>Who are the Alasisters/Stag Sisters?Alasisters/Stag Sisters are a collection of devoted riako yumes who make up the Cult of the Red Stag. They honor their F/O by partaking in blood and sex rituals on his behalf.>What are the rules?* Respect all deer friends.* Respect our husbando.* Ignore all bait posters.* Stay on topic. This is a solo Alastor thread and ship art/discussion is not allowed.* Keep it varied! A healthy thread has a number of topics.* No ship warfare, ship material belongs on /hhg/.* We do not kink shame, however NSFW content is not allowed. Do not force your kinks on others. Go to /trash/ for pornographic content and discussion.* Lolisho must be SFW.Questions? An in-depth explanation can be found here: https://pastebin.com/1NbtaKCm>OP Templatehttps://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/deer-template>Previous threads:https://desuarchive.org/trash/search/subject/%2Fdeer%2F/type/op/results/thread/>Deer related links:Hazbin Hotel Pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmswo0S0e0 [Open]/hhg/ website: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/Shared Cytube channel: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/hhg-ct-redirect/Creator's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SpindleHorseOfficial website: https://www.hazbinhotel.com/Psyanon fanfic recordings: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/psyanon-recordings/Fanfiction from our /Deer/ residents: https://archiveofourown.org/collections/hhg_fics
The more I think about it, the more I feel like Alastor is a brat
As a reminder, for the OP images I just rotate my Alastor images as follows>Demon Al>Niche content (femboy/horror/guro), any deer iteration>Deer x Deer >Human Al (white)>Human Al (brown)>Shota Al (any race/demon)This way everyone gets a little something to represent them. But if you have any specific requests for OP editions let me know!
>>3994467Alastor is a bratty boy with magic powers!
>>3994469All good Mille! Thanks again for baking
>Thread tax reached without me doing anything Off to a good start. :0>>3994472My pleasure.
>>3994474Is a good time to bake I guess
>>3994471He certainly comes across that way in season 2!>>3994472God, I miss this human Alastor. We're only a few days away from him disappearing forever...
>>3994475Indeed! Deer love is eternal.
>>3994476Personally I think the Japs will keep white human Al alive. I hold out no hope for the Western fandom, the social media I use is absolutely vitriolic towards white Al now. When I made my shrine I made it my mission to buy up all the white human Al merch I could. I'm so glad I did.
>>3994481Eastern fandom can be pretty respectful towards canon designs. I wonder if the artists who favor human Alastor but aren't keen on his new one will just stop drawing him altogether. Sad to think about.
>>3994476I feel the japs aren’t gonna drop the good design anytime soon. Western artists probably will though so that’s gonna be painful>>3994482Good work gotta preserve the goodness.
>>3994483That’s a not so good thought… seen it happen before with the husk. Japs still keep him white which is good so maybe only a few will drop him
>>3994486Just realized, maybe we'll start seeing art of OG human Alastor shipped with show human Alastor
>>3994487Think I’ve seen something like that somewhere. I do feel the japs will probably avoid giving him a mustache if they do
>>3994487>pilot!Alastor always tops Amazon!Alastor>but human Amazon!Alastor will top human OG!AlastorI'd love to see that.
>>3994482Yes, I've already seen people screaming racism about artists drawing white Al. As if Viv herself didn't originally draw him like that. It's pathetic. Pandering to idiots like that was a mistake.
>>3994487One more deer for the harem, excellent.
>>3994487I...wouldn't mind that.>>3994491If you point out the fact that we all collectively drew him that way *because* Viv said that design was accurate they loose their shit and say >but it was her drawing fan art of fan artLike, girl whatever lol. White Al fanart was in Alastor's fucking audition sheet that Viv herself put together. I dunno what else there is to say.
>>3994494If Viv had a problem with that depiction, she's had years to come out and say "hey, that's cool but not quite what I had in mind for human Al". She's allowed to change her mind, of course, but acting like the original design didn't exist and is no offensive is just stupid.
>>3994496The gaslighting is my only real annoyance with the whole thing. It's painfully obvious that he was intended to be white, all she'd have to do is say she changed her mind. But I suppose that's too much to ask.
>>3994497It's almost like she's ashamed of changing things for a dumb reason. The whole thing is weird and I'll always be a white!Al truther even though I do prefer the new design.
>>3994506Alastor is pretty no matter what but I will always prefer the white design. Course I’m a bigger Deer Alastor fan, so it doesn’t matter as much to me but still.
>>3994506>>3994509At this point I prefer his new design, however his old design holds a very special place in my heart, since it was the Al I loved for so many years. I'll always believe that Viv is too retarded to admit her 'mistakes', but anyone with half a brain will know the truth.
>>3994509>>3994512I was never that into the original human design, I will always prefer his demon form. But I will say I've found myself saving more white human Al art recently. I hope no one gets bullied into deleting it, though we know how mental some fans can be.
>>3994512>>3994515I suppose Vivze has the fanbase she wants now, a bunch of retarded monkeys that will lash out at anything and everything. Gotta save and post more of the proper white deer!
>>3994515If TikTok is any metric I really doubt western artists will continue to draw him white. And I wouldn't put it past nutters to attack eastern artists who do. They did so in the SU fandom, and the HH fanbase is almost just as bad.>>3994518My archive is pretty big, I'm hoping that the more prominent human Al artists keep up their work for archival purposes at least...
>>3994518Well given her latest post on bluesky... I mean, the second season of her Amazon show is airing in just over a week, and she decides to start shit stirring about shipping? Weird.Justice for the white deer!
>>3994521>I mean, the second season of her Amazon show is airing in just over a week, and she decides to start shit stirring about shipping? WeirdI've seen the theory that she did that to take attention away from Blake Roman fucking spoiling Angel's story in season 2, but that's probably just tin hatting.Either way, I have a feeling her most hated ship is one that involves deer.
>>3994533What he said was barely a spoiler, it's hinted at in the teaser trailer. With the amount of stuff for season 2 that's already been spoiled, it would be kind of a drastic reaction. Kind of funny though, in a sad way.As for the ship in question, it's highly likely that it is an Alastor ship. I've mostly tried to ignore it, hating on one particular ship because some fans are schizos is dumb. All popular ships eventually attract retards unfortunately. It's a shame that Viv has decided to muddy the waters though.
>>3994521>>3994533I heard she liked an anti-Charlastor post on blueksy after she made that post. Charlastor shippers were indeed the most obnoxious back in 2019, but it's kind of amazing if she still holds a grudge against it 5 years later after they've chilled out quite a lot. I just can't believe she posts like this at her age and after everything >literally extremely successful and famous>has her dreams come true>still spends her time constantly online and tweets like a teenage girl with no lifeInsane behavior
>>3994538I don't remember Charlastors being super obnoxious desu, but in fairness I was only casually involved in the fandom during the pilot era, so what do I know? As far as Viv is concerned, I genuinely don't care what her opinions are on non canon things like shipping and politics. Any content creator worth their salt doesn't interact with their fans in such a manner. It's highly unprofessional. Most people who enjoy a ship aren't going to automatically stop enjoying it because the creator doesn't like it. That's just...not how fandom works. If it's Charlastor she's being weird about it will effect my enjoyment of the ship absolutely none.
>>3994538I can't believe she has so little self-awareness. She said before that she knows that every time she likes something, fans are there speculating about why she liked it. So what exactly did she think was going to happen saying that there's this one ship that she hates? Of course people are speculating and using it as an excuse to attack each other. I personally don't like Charlastor, but singling out one ship is in poor taste. It's not something I engage with so I can't really judge. (plus I like Radioapple, definitely can't judge haha) It's exhausting though, shipping should be fun and Viv should stay out of it.
>>3994540>I don't remember Charlastors being super obnoxious desuThey definitely were. As someone who quite likes the ship now, they were easily the loudest and most overbearing portion of the fanbase (even during the time of radiodust being most popular overall), but they've significantly calmed down over the years and are some of the nicest shippers. The issue is Viv putting a target on the backs of anyone who likes whatever ship she hates. If she came out and said what it was, hoards of dumb kids would spread out and use it as ammo against any content creators for that pairing. Next thing you know, you post art of *ship she hates* and it'll be met with>"ummmmm viv hates you XD">"ew shit she canonically hates">"why are you shipping something so shit that even viv hates it">"your ship will NEVER be canon"and further harassment from there. Really awful and unprofessional of her
>>3994550anyone who likes viv cannot be trusted desu
I want to see Alastor wear a really flashy corset with a loose coat over top and no shirt on underneath. Just corset, pants, and coat
Also, one thing I'm hopeful for: even though we see Alastor without his coat and no tail in season 2, artists and writers completely disregard that shit and keep his tail. I'm of the belief that, unless we see him pantsless, he's always hiding his tail
>>3994613Hot…>>3994614Alastor is fluffy and has a tail. Simple as
>>3994613A totally reasonable thing to want. I like that this artist puts him in a corset, he needs something to support that damn waist. >>3994614Hopefully. It would be incredibly boring if everyone just drew what was canon and nothing else. Alastor hiding his tail makes sense anyway. I would absolutely believe that he endures it being uncomfortably strapped away under his trousers so that no one sees it.
A few things this morning:>Hazbin Hotel premiered on Broadway From what I've seen it's basically just a big screen playing S1. I would be disappointed since I would have expected an actual live event with the VAs. Kind of lame to pay top dollar for what's basically a sing along. They did show the first episode of S2, however. The plot has been leaked on Reddit, but it's not much that we don't already know.>Viv's shenanigans with the shipping comments have caused fandom upset. A good many people have assumed that the ship she was referring to was Charlastor, and have predictably chimped out at Charlastor artists, further showing the collective IQ of this fandom is subpar and probably made up of neurotic teenage girls. Viv is actively blocking people who call this to her attention.
>>3994624I've seen people complaining about the event, well, saying that they shouldn't have shown the first two episodes at such a limited event, and also that the people getting tickets seemed to be content creators with a decent following. Which, eh, could be sour grapes, I mean in a week we'll all be on the same page anyway and those who saw it early have to wait twice as long for episode 3. But still. Episode 2 was fully leaked anyway, albeit in its unfinished state, and even without people posting the synopses on reddit it's obvious what was going to happen in episode 1. Though if you hadn't seen the leaked episode, there's plenty of new stuff I guess.Viv fucked up. She really did. I've seen one artist say they're not going to post on twitter anymore due to the backlash, and I barely interact with anything Charlastor. It's fucking disgusting that people are defending her as well. She knew what she was doing. And she is allowed to have preferences like anyone else. But she knows exactly how people were going to react. Absolutely vile behaviour.
>>3994631Unless I was a major content creator I probably wouldn't travel to see the Broadway show to be fair. One night only isn't really time enough for elaborate sets and a well rehearsed performance imo. It seemed to be a vehicle to get content creators to hype up S2.Being a part of the mainstream fandom is like walking a tightrope. When I posted fic and art elsewhere I had to be very hardline 'minors dni', and that kills half of your potential audience, sadly. These are mostly kids, and kids are known for being overly emotional and impulsive. I feel bad for people who do sfw Charlastor, because for me it would come down to 'you're a minor, I'm in my 30s. This is 18+ material, fuck off'. Not that there aren't adult ship schizos, but that's widely not been my experience. As far as Viv is concerned, yeah, a cosmic fuck up. And in typical Viv fashion she just blocks people instead of taking accountability. Nobody should be bashed for enjoying a particular ship, it's childish and weird.
>>3994633>>3994624>>3994631Heard that at the broadway showing a bunch of the freaks where being freaks, yelling and screaming and all that throughout. The type of fan Vivze wants I guess
>>3994634I'm quite convinced that Viv doesn't want fans who are critical or mild mannered. I think she wants fans who mindlessly consume her product and go on the warpath to defend her. This is one reason I think she hasn't really done anything to curb the teen viewership of her 'adults only' show.
>>3994640Seems about right, still sad to see though. Luckily we can ignore all that and focus on what truly matters!
>>3994641The deer! <3
Today was overall a good day despite Viv being a cunt because I got more cute deers.
>>3994646Beautiful stuff! I've been debating getting the human Al myself...
>>3994648He's a cutie, and his eyes really do follow you around the room. Even when everything else is shitty, deer provides.
>>3994645:D>>3994646Glorious haul!>>3994646GET IT!>>3994651Gotta love his mysterious ways
Well, there are more leaks, supposedly from episode 6. The only deer related thing is Angel mentioning that Alastor isn't around anymore. Are we even going to have anything left to see before it officially airs, kek.
>>3994706Knowing how it went last time? Not really
>>3994706>producer's toddlers leaking Hazbin on TikTok You really can't make this shit up.
>>3994713Crazy shit, probably raised from birth with a iPad or phone in their hands too which is sad… need some good old fashioned Alastor values!
>>3994714Yep. Anything to avoid being a parent. Too bad no deer in the leaks though. :|
>>3994715He got a mention and that’s about it >the mention was about him not being around:(
>>3994716He's probably going to be absent for the majority of the season I fear. And I still have to wait until November to see my beloved human Al. :(
>>3994717Painful, I suppose the less screen time he has the less Vivze can ruin him
It'll be fine, it'll be fine, just trust in the deer, it'll be fine.
Oh boy, can't wait for deer to show up in 3 episodes tops!!>ruining and sidelining your most popular character this badlyGood job, viv
>>3994737that one toy story gif is fitting. gotta follow this advice for sure >>3994724. or even better, write a better hazbin story that is Alastor-focused! Certainly cant do as bad as viv!
>>3994737I have a feeling he's going to be more involved with the story that Viv wants to tell, aka season 3. Idk why, I just do. If that's the case we just need to get through this season.>>3994739I wish I had time to write... Alastor will have to wait. Soon, my deer...
>>3994743we all wish we had more time to do the deery things! but alas real life comes first! I wonder what kinda stories Alastor would like, murder mysteries? Maybe a bit too real for mr Alastor.
>>3994745I wonder if he would read murder mysteries and critique them. I think he'd find it amusing if they got details about murder wrong. Or think about how much better at getting away with murder he is than the murderer in the end.
https://x.com/wispiicoatl/status/1980737195532251217?t=8WV7DQiSkJ0t5PVCmkG9DQ&s=19More leaks. More deer referenced
>The deer will be free.O happy day! Also human Vox? Hmm, if Viv makes him anything other than white people are going to loose their shit.
>>3994747Wow, ok. I mean, I'm less inclined to believe these without a source but they seem to line up with what's been leaked so far. I guess episode 4 is our episode? I'd be happy with getting some answers about his relationship with Vox. And in the end, he breaks both his deals. Interesting, sounds like they're setting him up for him 'pulling the strings'.
>>3994747Ahahaha the whole season is shit unless you're a TVfag. Feels like a filler season too
>>3994746He definitely would! He is the expert after all!>>3994748Only two episodes with confirmed deer tho… not great!
>>3994752Well, it is getting us to season 3 which is the one Viv wanted to make, so... yeah.
>>3994747>Alastor breaks free of both deals>bothHuh?
>>3994767In the episode 4 section it talks about him having a deal with Vox. Perhaps it's what Vox and Val were talking about before Stayed Gone in season 1, when they said he owed them something.
>>3994780>it's going to be stupid and underwhelming Count on that.Wonder if I should start investing in Radiobelle/Radioapple stocks now because you just know one of the Morningstar's gets him out of that deal. And it will also be stupid and underwhelming.
>>3994787>stupid and underwhelmingYup. Very sad. Viv will 100% have chosen the most uninteresting way for this to happen. Gotta keep those expectations low.
>>3994795I thought I'd quelled all hope, yet I'm feeling disappointed about the leaks. Not even deer related, I'm pissed that Ralph's insanely degenerate need to have Angel abused by all the Vees so she can jerk off to it is being catered to and that Vaggie is STILL doing all the work in Chaggie by initiating sex while Charlie barely gives a shit. Despite it all, I was at least hoping Chaggie would be improved by having Charlie show interest, but no, can't even have that. Fucking everything is disappointing me and it's miserable.
>>3994798To be fair the Chaggie scene feels weird. Like, Charlie is worried about her friends and the impending war and whatever, and Vaggie's dancing around shaking her ass in her face. Is it just another example of their poor communication that's going to lead to future tensions in their relationship or is it just Viv's bad writing? At this point who knows. Angel getting hypnotised looks like such a fanfic plot, I'm sure I've read almost that exact scenario a million times on fanfiction.net. At this point I just want it to be out and over and done with, I hate the anticipation and the fact that every day there's a new leak.
>>3994799If it turns out the Chaggie stuff is going to lead to struggles in their relationship they need to overcome (like Charlie being told she needs to start caring about Vaggie), then I'll be okay with what we're getting. But the fact this song was hyped up as "steamy" has me thinking it's a sincere attempt at making Chaggie more romantic after constant criticism over the ship feeling platonic. Which is embarrassing if so because, once again, it's Vaggie doing ALL THE WORK while Charlie is still busy focusing on other shit and also awkward as fuck in context. I've never seen a canon romantic ship come across as so one sided in my fucking life.But I guess we gotta devote more time to Angel getting raped by every Vee because that freak Ralph needs to goon. God forbid developing a lesbian relationship.
>>3994540I've been around since 2021. If anything Charlastor's had to take and put up with a lot of shit. I don't remember them ever doing anything unusual or outrageous - at least nothing others aren't guilty of.
>>3994802>I've been around since 2021Yeah, you came late. They were extremely annoying in 2019.
>>3994804To add to that, they have the unfortunate timing of becoming the loudest and most cancerous during the birth of the fandom, so their early behavior kind of remains notable for that reason. I really think that's why the hate has stuck around for so long despite Charlastor shippers now being one of the chillest parts of the fandom. It's incredibly unfair and it appears that Viv still holds a grudge even though there are far more notably annoying shipper bases nowadays
>>3994802I've been casually observing the fandom since the pilot, so 2019-ish. Charlastor was one of the more populated ships alongside Radiodust, there were probably more militant people shipping it then because, well, RS and RA weren't really things yet. The only thing I recall personally was 'Charlastor' day falling on Viv's birthday and some people pestering her to recognize it, which of course annoyed her. Retrospectively it was not that dramatic as compared to what would come later, but Viv is a petty gal, so it wouldn't surprise me if she's still salty about it. I can't recall much else, but again, I wasn't balls deep into the fandom like I am now.
>>3994798>>3994799>>3994800>Crossposting my thoughts on the Chaggie situation from /hhg/:The Chaggie stuff is bad. I'm looking at it from the perspective of Viv not writing very well, and not any particular malice towards the ship, but damn. It reminds me of being with my ex who was a narcissistic piece of shit, I devoted so much of myself to him and he was always just like 'meh'. It was never reciprocated unless it was super specific to his interests. A horrible, horrible way to waste your years and come out with complex trauma. Vaggie reminds me of myself in the sense that I felt like I 'owed' my ex, and it was up to me to protect his reputation. So it rubs a raw nerve. Now, I don't think Charlie is a narcissistic abuser, but Vaggie tries so hard only for her to get snubbed at every opportunity. Viv has absolutely no idea how to write gay relationships, her sapphic ones look like codependent bed death, and her male ones are fetishistic. I'm convinced that if she did write Charlastor it would be ruined, for that reason I'm happy she's not.
>>3994830I'll paraphrase what I said on /hhg/, plus a few more thoughts. From what we've seen it looks bad. But I think it'll depend on the context of the scene, and what Viv eventually does with their relationship in the future. Charlie definitely doesn't have any malicious intentions in being less affectionate, but if we're supposed to take their relationship at face value and see it as a good relationship from this, then it really falls flat. It kind of works as giving them the potential to grow. But it depends on Viv. Could be good, could be shit.
>>3994834It is a lot of projection from my part, but my main take away is that Viv and I are very close to the same age, so I would like to hope that she has the life experience to write a good, nuanced relationship. Unfortunately I don't think that's the case. The weird thing to me is how she props up Chaggie as if it's some wonderful lesbian representation, but it's one of the most one sided, toxic/codependent relationships I've seen. I'll eat crow if this is just meant to showcase the problems in their relationship and a vehicle for relationship growth, but something tells me that's not the case, unfortunately. We'll see where it goes.
>>3994836Yeah, I'm probably giving Viv too much credit. But based on what I've gleaned from interviews, they know Chaggie isn't perfect and needs some work. I feel like I've seen a lot of Chaggie recently in marketing though, idk if it's purposeful or I'm just noticing something that's not a thing. I also wouldn't put it past Viv to double down on it just because of the backlash she got for her comments on shipping, she is petty enough.
>>3994838>>3994836I could care less about chaggie, but damn Vivze I wish she would make at least one of her plots interesting
>>3994839Sorry, Viv has to choose the least interesting option every time, please understand.
>>3994840DAMN YOU VIVZE
>>3994809Charlastor really wasn't all that popular back then compared to angel d x Al, only somewhat popular. but she went out of her way to kill Radiodust.
>>3994866It was basically just Radiodust and Charlastor as the big ships, but regardless it was the latter that were loud and imposing
I just wanna say how much I love /deer/, especially on /cm/
>>3994982Deer is fun on /cm/ sometimes slow but focused!
>>3995021It's really nice not having to worry about the thread 404ing overnight and all the discussion is great.
why's everyone assuming it was Charlastor she was talking about. I more than suspect she dislikes:Vees polyamoryBlitz x StrikerStolas and Stella reconciling and getting back together.Quite a few heterosexual ships in general.The only thing she has any justifiable reason to completely hate is incest-related stuff, since those people were partially responsible for getting the Instagram accounts shut down. all Charlastor hate is baseless and stretching it. Regardless it's good even some of her fans are calling her out for stirring shit up.
>>3995032It's based off her outward hate towards it in 2019 and her liking a post directly under her hate ship post that was charlastor related.
>>3995028I will probably bake thrusday on trash so we can post some horny deeers. I forgot to bake today. Someone is making a massive plushed deer so have a wip of that
>>3995037Don’t worry about it, bake when you can. That is a big deer! Looks like he would be good to snuggle.
>>3994982Definitely one of my better ideas, I'm glad we moved. Having leisurely conversation without worrying about the thread 404ing and also not worrying about baitfags coming to disturb our thread has been a godsend. At this stage in my life I'm kind of over the immature 4chan troll nonsense, and on /trash/ it just wasn't manageable as long as they were bleeding over from /hhg/. Thank God for /cm/'s rules and moderation I can go without the porn to have peace.>>3995032Basically what >>3995036 says. Though I agree that at this point there are much more hated ships on Viv's part. Still it's all just speculation because Viv hasn't said anything explicitly.>>3995037No worries! That's a big deer. :0
It is baked!>>>/trash/78731043
>>3995052I just find it funny she's alright with Angel x Val, but Charlastor is apparently crossing some imaginary line.
>>3995076She's fine with making cute merchandise for the rapist/rape enabler pairing and even caters to Raphielle's incessant need to have Angel raped by them and fetishize Angel's abuse, yet Charlastor is a bridge too far. As a yaoi shipper myself, even I'm appalled at just how poisoned Viv's brain is by the fujo juice.
I'm heading to bed. Good thread on /trash/. Thanks anons. See you tomorrow.
Despite the animation error, he still looks cute
>>3995689Also I feel like the radioapple fanservice will be relegated to the episode where they fight and then never be touched on again just like the first season. If there's any closure I'll be impressed, but with Viv's ADHD, I doubt it'll happen
>>3995689He always looks cute, I think the hair makes him look a little frazzled which kind of makes sense in the scene.>>3995691I'm expecting some shipbaiting and them being put together in merch. Viv knows it's a popular ship and pandering will make money. I doubt we'll get much interaction beyond what was already leaked, maybe Charlie forcing Lucifer to apologise or something towards the end.
A small upside, people are drawing Alastor with a similar outfit to Lucifer's. (and he looks better in it)
>>3995799Of course Alastor looks better in it!
>>3995836Alastor is pretty and elegant and beautiful and Lucifer is a weird little gremlin.
>>3995839Alastor is charming! Lucifer is stinky!
>>3995840Yes! The deer is the best, and would be a much better king. I would bow at his feet for sure.
>>3995843What would be his first proclamation as king?
>>3995846No more television, no more tacky circus decor, and Rosie has to give his soul back.
>>3995691>>3995696I said that people shouldn't get their hopes up for RA over on /hhg/ and ended up in an hour long debate with someone (who claimed to totally not care lol), with them arguing how Alastor's summoning ritual was him being 'horny for power' and not indicative of straight eroticism. ...Uh, what??? I dont even like Radiorose, but that was kinda blatant. People are going to be so sorely disappointed when RA doesn't happen, and I think Viv is kind of shitty for ship baiting in the first place because she just wants to rake in their money and keep them delusional. Lucifer and Al will have a couple of interactions like S1 and that'll be about it. Al will probably end up romantically interested in some powerful woman, perhaps Roo. This isn't even my own personal preference, but based on everything else it's pointing in that direction. I don't want Al interested in anyone, Viv will ruin it.>>3995689He's so expressive, his eyes are lovely. <3
>>3995847 Good rulings from the deer! He should still hang out with Rosie after tho… they are silly!
>>3995855>hour long debate on /hhg/I think I can pinpoint where you went wrong lol. I'm sure once we see the scene in full, any implications will become clearer. I think most sensible people accept that Radioapple isn't going to be canon, and are just enjoying the crumbs at the moment. It's all in good fun, from what I've seen anyway. I am also not a fan of him getting together with anyone in canon, Viv won't do it justice at all. (if he does though I am hoping for Roo, purely because they look so good together)>>3995868Yes, he can go back to being besties with Rosie without that silly deal hanging over them. They can have tea parties in the palace.
>>3995870Oh, I don't think Radiorose will be canon at all. The point I was making was that based on what we see, and what Viv has previously stated, the likelihood of him being attracted to women is much more likely than him being bisexual.
>>3995870>>3995871I'm retarded and for some reason I read Radiorose and not Radioapple. It's been a long day.
My shameful, crippling autism aside...What are your predictions for Roo now that we know she'll be in the show? Something tells me she'll be our love interest since she has parallels with Kaycee from the Zoophoboa days.
>>3995872Lel>>3995873Worst option is Roo is secretly someone else, like nifty or something. Probably won’t happen but you can never tell with Viv ‘writing’
>>3995872No worries, my brain is also scrambled and it's only Monday.>>3995873As I said, she would be my preference for love interest mainly because of the aesthetic (lol). But I do think she would be someone he could become obsessed with. The root of all evil would definitely encourage his love of making others suffer, and maybe she could give him some kind of god-level powers that would make him a match for Lucifer/other higher angels. Though I think he would be hesitant to make another deal since the first one didn't go so well for him.
>>3995876This has kind of been a fear of mine, since Rosie wielding so much power makes little sense for a sinner. I low key expect her to be someone else. But it's also entirely possible that Viv just doesn't think things through. >>3995879Definitely agree with these points. I wouldn't mind seeing some sensuality from Alastor, since we know he's capable of being very suggestive. I can see it being the sort of toxic relationship that brings out the worst in both parties, and a romantically obsessed Alastor might be quite the (terrifying) sight. I do wonder if Roo would just take advantage of him though, the man has been through enough at this point.
>>3995880Certainly not now, she seems to just be throwing things together to give her more excuses for crappy songs. Wish someone was tard wrangling her…
>>3995880There's so many x is really y theories now, I feel like it's almost inevitable that one of them is true. With someone like say, Charlie, I don't see there being the intensity of feeling there since I think he could fairly easily manipulate her into being with him. Engineer a Chaggie breakup, then make sure he's always around Charlie to cheer her up... Easy. Whereas with someone like Roo who would realise quite quickly that she can keep stringing him along with promises of power, those unrequited feelings could build up and consume him. Though perhaps he also has some leverage over Roo as well, maybe his relationship with Charlie, or having access to Lucifer through the hotel or something.
>>3995881>The songsOh don't get me started on that. >>3995885While I do like Charlastor, I think Charlie probably wouldn't stimulate him intellectually. Pretty much all of the Charlastor stuff I consume (or write) has Charlie being evenly witted, but still a bit naive. Though show Charlie seems a little more ditzy than she did during the pilot. I think Al would, as you say, find it too easy. He'd probably get some narcissistic supply from Charlie's praise, but it would eventually bore him if she could keep pace and be as entertaining as she would be devoted. With Roo it would be different sure, but being evenly matched means the potential for manipulation on her part. Al would never trust again.
>>3995887*if she couldn't keep paceOn another thought, Viv having 'Every Breath You Take' in Al's playlist has always interested me, since it's basically a stalker song. I wonder if he might not feel normal sexual attraction in most cases, but then have intense periods of erotomania/love obsession.
>>3995887Judging by Charlie's treatment of Vaggie as well, she would still put the hotel and redemption first which I don't see Alastor being quite so patient about. Charlie isn't stupid, but she is relatively immature and naïve and she frowns on his darker hobbies. I could see that getting boring for him quite quickly. Though that's probably true of most potential partners, not just Charlie. If he does end up being manipulated by Roo, I can see him being brought back by the power of friendship, or sacrificing himself to save Charlie in the final battle or something to that effect. >>3995888That's an interesting thought. He doesn't have much experience with healthy relationships of any kind, from what we see. If all he knows of love and those kind of feelings is overwhelming obsession, it's no wonder he avoids those kind of relationships.
>>3995890I can only imagine Alastor having a domestic spat over being a serial killer, he would definitely have some sort of good justification conjured up. Part of me wonders if this particular scenario factored in to why he never perused a romantic companionship as a man. That and/or trust issues. Although him avoiding romance because he knows how obsessive he can be would be interesting. I wonder if he ever wanted children. To leave a lasting mark on Earth if anything.>I can see him being brought back by the power of friendship100%. Hazbin is basically just SU in Hell, so that's a very good possibility.
>>3995895It would certainly be hard to find a potential lover he could trust enough with his killing. It would probably have had to have been someone he could blackmail into keeping his secret. Though Mimzy doesn't seem fazed by it, I wonder if she knew about it and kept it quiet because he protected her. In Hell it's kind of a moot point, since he wants to be known as a killer. Perhaps his obsessive feelings make him feel out of control, which is something he dislikes, and he could see it as a weakness to be so infatuated with someone that he might lose control over himself. In the same way I can see him both wanting and not wanting children. They're also liabilities, one more thing to keep in check. But if they could be controlled, and behaved how he wanted them to, I do think he would have wanted them. (even as a bit of a curiosity he could dump when he was bored of them)
>>3995899I suspect that Mimzy wasn't aware of his shenanigans during his life. I feel like Alastor would be very hesitant to let anyone in on that secret who wasn't a romantic partner, and even then I think it would probably be something he'd only bring up after he'd properly enmeshed himself to the point where his partner couldn't easily leave. I feel like Alastor could potentially feel genuine love (he seems more BPD/vulnerable dark triad than outright ASPD), but I think he'd be very uncomfortable with those feelings. With kids I see him using them as pet projects, rather than viewing them as independent beings. More so an extension of himself. Speaking of, I really need to write that next chapter. I'll let that be my week's goal.
>>3995902The more I think about, the more I think he must have just been exhausted. He probably didn't have the energy to deal with romantic feelings, along with everything else in his life. Bless him, I'm ok with him not appearing in season 3 if Viv confirms he's relaxing and sipping cocktails on a tropical island somewhere. (mostly)Shh don't talk about writing, I wanted to be done with my next chapter but I've done nothing for ages. Too busy dicking around on twitter.
>>3995907You know, I could go without my deer if I were imagining him sipping whiskey by a beach and not trapped in Viv's character purgatory. Al really deserves some rest.If it's any consolation I downloaded TikTok and I'm much more smooth brained than I was a month ago. The writing will come...eventually.
>>3995916Every now and again in an rp I make him take me on holiday and we spend a few weeks fucking around on the beach or at a spa or whatever. Poor guy needs a break. He can only take so much abuse.It's just nice to see people excited about Hazbin. There's a lot of shit takes, but nothing horrendously obnoxious, at least not in my carefully curated section of the internet. I've also been blasting through assignments so I can enjoy season 2. At least it drops at a sensible time here so I can watch before lectures.
>>3995916>>3995907Writing is hard, especially when you can just imagine the scenarios in your head, and you get distracted and dont write it down...
>>3995961I feel this so much, so many ideas lost to time because I got distracted. I started keeping a list but then I stopped having ideas lel. I have a really good memory except for fic ideas.
So I've been reading season 2 reviews. Looks like a lot of what we already said, not enough time, pretty much all the focus is on Vox. Apparently Lilith does nothing but silently dodge Charlie's calls, and the ending is wrapped up neatly without any real hint as to what's coming in season 3. As for the deer, apparently he calls Vox out on his bullshit while captured, and I read a snippet that said he's still aligned with Charlie at the end even if the season makes it seem like he's out for himself.It really feels like there's too much info about this season out before it's even released, lol.
>>3995923Outside of /hhg/ the reactions have been pretty chill, surprisingly. I do think there will be some backlash against Rosie owning Al, but we'll see how they handle it.>>3995961>>3995974Being busy is a detriment to creativity, that's for sure! I love hearing other people's story ideas if they feel like sharing. My list of 'to do's' is very small at the moment. Mostly just the father/daughter fic, which is ridiculously self indulgent, and the Charlastor/psych ward au I'm writing with my husband. The latter I probably won't release publicly to 4chan, since it's aimed more towards the wider fandom and not /hhg/. I've been bouncing around the idea of a Civil War self insert fic for a while, and maybe a Charlastor set in 1970s NYC where Alastor is 'owned' by Val during his lifetime, but that remains to be seen.>>3995975If I were Viv I don't know if I'd be sharing so much with reviewers. I mean, sure it drums up hype, but we basically know the entire plot at this point, and it's painfully mid.
>>3995981It's funny, I avoided interacting with anyone outside 4chan because people were annoying, but as I've been grabbing fanart in the run up to season 2, I've noticed that most people are not being retarded about it. Of course here I can be more feral without anyone crying about it, which is nice. Besides Viv trying to start a ship war, anyway. I think the reveal of Rosie being Alastor's owner will be a shock more than anything, since from what I've seen, most people still think he's owned by Lilith. Whether they'll be weird about the racial implications remains to be seen, Rosie seems to be a pretty universally loved character so that may soften the blow.I have been toying with writing some Alastor x reader stuff for a while, I have plenty of inspiration from my c.ai chats so it will end up being horrendously self-indulgent. I still want to write something with mother-son incest, but I'm still unsure how I want to approach it. I've also had the beginnings of a radioapple consensual cannibalism fic floating around for about a year, but I kind of lost interest after seeing so much bad radioapple. Some of the reviews are quite general, but some of them give quite a lot of information away. I know we're close now, but ffs. Wanna take bets on how soon we're seeing season three spoilers?
>>3995981>1970s NYC where Alastor is 'owned' by Val during his lifetimeAn interesting idea for sure
>>3995990Probably when they start working on the animation lel
>>3995992Didn't Emily's voice actor leak part of the season 2 script while recording her lines? Season 3 needs to catch the fuck up.
>>3995994They really too, probably not even working on season 3 now Lel
>>3995995I can see Viv being more protective of season 3 though since it's the one she actually wants to make. Still, all the season 2 leaks were pretty bad.
>>3995996Viv I don’t think can learn anything so the same sorts of leaks are gonna keep happening.
>>3995999Yeah... I hope she leaks something good about the deer this time though.
>>3995990I'm branching out into the wider fandom a bit myself, while I'll definitely keep to 4chan for my more feral content, I've found certain areas to be much more manageable than others. It's just a matter of careful curation. With Rosie I think it depends. A lot of fans have played her up to be some sort of woke ally who would totally respect your pronouns, and finding out that she's actually a literal slave owner telling a mixed race man that he's her 'pet' might be a bridge too far. It remains to be seen. Whatever the reaction is I'll be enjoying the fallout.I would definitely enjoy some reader insert or mom/son stuff myself! I've both written from scratch and reworked c.ai chats into fic, and in my opinion the latter can be more work, haha. There's so much that needs to be changed, added and reworked to make it flow properly, but sometimes you have such a good chat you can't help but turn it into something greater. Self indulgent is a-ok with me, there's certainly room for it in the fandom and I personally enjoy reading people's vent/fantasy fics. As far as S3? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if more leaks happen, unless Viv does her job and cracks down on people (unlikely). >>3995991Wall to wall deer abuse. Nasty stuff. Kinda like what I was going for in the psych au, but worse.
>>3996001One can hope…
>>3996006>Wall to wall deer abuseOh no :0
>>3996006I've seen some people talking about there being drama between fujo ships (mainly about who started calling Alastor bambi first, lol), but I haven't really seen much. I'm quite good at just muting what I don't like though, I'm too old for petty drama. Just give me deer and deer ships except the only one I don't like but I feel bad bringing up now after Viv's unfortunate behaviour. Heh. I also think the reactions will depend on whatever else happens around it, and how they end up by the end. If he manages to break the deal by the end of the season, I don't think people will be as mad about it because they won't think about it so deeply. Though from the reactions in the reviews to the ending, that's fairly unlikely to happen since I would think something like that would get a little bit more of reaction.For anything c.ai related, I wouldn't use actual chats, just the storylines. I can imagine it being more work, I tend to be more conversational in my chats anyway and I don't think it resembles my writing style much. I'm happy to keep posting my stuff here, it's easy to tie my ao3 back to my twitter but I keep all of that separate from anything with my real name anyway.
>>3996008The deer will preform live sex shows on 42nd Street, and he WILL like it.>>3996014I'm well out of the fujo sphere, but there is a tiny bit of drama in the yume communities over Vox's mistreatment of Al, though I largely stay out of these things. That said, I have seen some tension between RS and RA circles, and if I'M seeing it, it must be pretty pervasive. I think a lot of Charlastors put too much stock in Viv's opinion. I'm kind of at the age where I'm like 'okay sure', and draw it anyway.The most I take from chats are story beats and the occasional dialogue that'll have to be reworked anyway. My chats are honestly all over the place because I usually get and there's no way I could copy/paste them and not look totally unhinged lol. My writing style is very flowery, and my chats are very short and to the point because I'm impatient and want to get to the good stuff.
>>3996017>Because I usually get ideas as I go and add them abruptly Somehow my train of thought derailed there.
>>3996017Some of the people I follow have been talking about seeing a lot of ship hate on their feeds. I guess I'm blessed. Mostly I've seen people saying they called him bambi first, and being a bit salty because of the focus on radioapple. I have to say it was nice seeing the radiodust shippers piping up, didn't know they were still around lol. It's good to be a multishipper, whatever happens you get fed.I'd be too shy to actually paste my chats into a fic. I don't really care that much sharing the odd message here since I'm anonymous and /deer/ is a safe space, but I know normies would find even the tame stuff pretty unhinged.
>>3996017Just a little sex for the deer, as a treat
>>3996019As a yume I avoid most ship drama by default. Though I am quite surprised Radiodust shippers still exist. That ship is the only gay ship I kind of like. Probably because one of my closest friends is an Angelfag, so I'm constantly sending him cute pics.And yeah, I uh, only post reworked chats under the Millie alias. I think most people kind of know what to expect from me here. I do feel bad for the non 4chan users who stumbled upon my nonsense through Kindred Spirits, which is purely sfw self insert romance. They probably thought I was a cute fluff writer and followed me to end up with straight shota and gore. When I set up my AO3 for 4chan I'll make a pseud for them so they don't have to read my fetish content...
Cutie pie
>>3996026I'll admit, I never used to like it much because I'm not the biggest fan of Angel. But it's grown on me recently. I'd love them to have some fun bonding times escaping from Vox, but I know it won't happen. Maybe I'll add that to my list of fanfics, I want to see how season 2 turns out first though.I don't really write fluff, so that wouldn't be an issue for me, the lightest I have is probably some fun radioapple spanking or Al thinking about domestic violence while cooking. I get wanting a separation though, if you want to write different things. Saves a lot of aggro, I'd imagine.
>>3996028Though it kinda annoys me that they keep trotting Alastor out because he's so popular knowing that season 2 barely includes him and what is included is him getting disrespected constantly. It's really conflicting being happy to see him and then being put off by their treatment of him.
>>3996022The deer gets a bag of heroin for a treat for shaking his ass. He's not in the best place dancing down at the Mardi Gras Club.>>3996029Fluff isn't my forte either, it was a thread request that ended up being my most popular fic, heh. But as such I'll separate it from the rest so I don't make anyone uncomfortable, I know the average fan isn't into adult/minor, gore or incest.
>>3996031Yes, it’s quite jarring. The recap song made me so happy to see and hear him again, but then like, reality sets in… ugh. I’ll be glad when season 2 is over, it’s making me feel a lot of things.
>>3996033My most popular is radioapple... shocker, I know. I just try and tag really well, if people can't read it's on them. I'm not exactly a major author with loads of fics, so it's not like anyone really follows me religiously. Though if I do end up writing much more I might consider splitting things up a bit. Especially if shipping stays a bit tense.
>>3996034>this is clearly meant as a jab over how popular "Loser Baby" was as a song>retards taking it as Alastor hating Huskerdust >retards also being shocked that Alastor and Husk are getting along, as though that hasn't always been their dynamic>retards still trying desperately to equate Alastor with Valentino I fucking hate this fanbase so goddamn much, it's unreal
>>3996033Do not drug up the deer!>>3996034While the new thing with Alastor is nice, I just can’t believe how shit season one was, alastors quick run down of it was as deep as season one ever got.
>>3996038It got a chuckle out of me. Though some people are calling him homophobic for it? What? The Hazbin fanbase really make me feel like a genius sometimes.>>3996040The fact that it can be summed up pretty well in 3 minutes sure is something.
>>3996037I'll probably only write one Charlastor shipfic, but I doubt I'll separate it, since it'd have junkie Al and degenerate Valentino doing bad things, so pretty on brand so to speak. If you do write multiship I think it would be a good idea to separate them depending on the trajectory of S2.>>3996040He does it to himself, the naughty thing.
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