The show must go on! EditionWelcome to /Deer/!>What is /Deer/?/Deer/ is a thread for fans of Alastor, the Radio Demon, from Amazon Prime’s hit series Hazbin Hotel. /Deer/ is a safe space to discuss, promote, and create content for our favorite deer man!>Who we are…We are deer friends from all walks of life who come together in this thread to share content related to Alastor. We are inclusive and welcome everyone who is interested in the Red Stag.>Who are the Alasisters/Stag Sisters?Alasisters/Stag Sisters are a collection of devoted riako yumes who make up the Cult of the Red Stag. They honor their F/O by partaking in blood and sex rituals on his behalf.>What are the rules?* Respect all deer friends.* Respect our husbando.* Ignore all bait posters.* Stay on topic. This is a solo Alastor thread and ship art/discussion is not allowed.* Keep it varied! A healthy thread has a number of topics.* No ship warfare, ship material belongs on /hhg/.* We do not kink shame, however NSFW content is not allowed. Do not force your kinks on others. Go to /trash/ for pornographic content and discussion.* Lolisho must be SFW.Questions? An in-depth explanation can be found here: https://pastebin.com/1NbtaKCm>OP Templatehttps://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/deer-template>Previous threads:https://desuarchive.org/trash/search/subject/%2Fdeer%2F/type/op/results/thread/>Deer related links:Hazbin Hotel Pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmswo0S0e0 [Open]/hhg/ website: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/Shared Cytube channel: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/hhg-ct-redirect/Creator's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SpindleHorseOfficial website: https://www.hazbinhotel.com/Psyanon fanfic recordings: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/psyanon-recordings/Fanfiction from our /Deer/ residents: https://archiveofourown.org/collections/hhg_fics
The more I think about it, the more I feel like Alastor is a brat
As a reminder, for the OP images I just rotate my Alastor images as follows>Demon Al>Niche content (femboy/horror/guro), any deer iteration>Deer x Deer >Human Al (white)>Human Al (brown)>Shota Al (any race/demon)This way everyone gets a little something to represent them. But if you have any specific requests for OP editions let me know!
>>3994467Alastor is a bratty boy with magic powers!
>>3994469All good Mille! Thanks again for baking
>Thread tax reached without me doing anything Off to a good start. :0>>3994472My pleasure.
>>3994474Is a good time to bake I guess
>>3994471He certainly comes across that way in season 2!>>3994472God, I miss this human Alastor. We're only a few days away from him disappearing forever...
>>3994475Indeed! Deer love is eternal.
>>3994476Personally I think the Japs will keep white human Al alive. I hold out no hope for the Western fandom, the social media I use is absolutely vitriolic towards white Al now. When I made my shrine I made it my mission to buy up all the white human Al merch I could. I'm so glad I did.
>>3994481Eastern fandom can be pretty respectful towards canon designs. I wonder if the artists who favor human Alastor but aren't keen on his new one will just stop drawing him altogether. Sad to think about.
>>3994476I feel the japs aren’t gonna drop the good design anytime soon. Western artists probably will though so that’s gonna be painful>>3994482Good work gotta preserve the goodness.
>>3994483That’s a not so good thought… seen it happen before with the husk. Japs still keep him white which is good so maybe only a few will drop him
>>3994486Just realized, maybe we'll start seeing art of OG human Alastor shipped with show human Alastor
>>3994487Think I’ve seen something like that somewhere. I do feel the japs will probably avoid giving him a mustache if they do
>>3994487>pilot!Alastor always tops Amazon!Alastor>but human Amazon!Alastor will top human OG!AlastorI'd love to see that.
>>3994482Yes, I've already seen people screaming racism about artists drawing white Al. As if Viv herself didn't originally draw him like that. It's pathetic. Pandering to idiots like that was a mistake.
>>3994487One more deer for the harem, excellent.
>>3994487I...wouldn't mind that.>>3994491If you point out the fact that we all collectively drew him that way *because* Viv said that design was accurate they loose their shit and say >but it was her drawing fan art of fan artLike, girl whatever lol. White Al fanart was in Alastor's fucking audition sheet that Viv herself put together. I dunno what else there is to say.
>>3994494If Viv had a problem with that depiction, she's had years to come out and say "hey, that's cool but not quite what I had in mind for human Al". She's allowed to change her mind, of course, but acting like the original design didn't exist and is no offensive is just stupid.
>>3994496The gaslighting is my only real annoyance with the whole thing. It's painfully obvious that he was intended to be white, all she'd have to do is say she changed her mind. But I suppose that's too much to ask.
>>3994497It's almost like she's ashamed of changing things for a dumb reason. The whole thing is weird and I'll always be a white!Al truther even though I do prefer the new design.
>>3994506Alastor is pretty no matter what but I will always prefer the white design. Course I’m a bigger Deer Alastor fan, so it doesn’t matter as much to me but still.
>>3994506>>3994509At this point I prefer his new design, however his old design holds a very special place in my heart, since it was the Al I loved for so many years. I'll always believe that Viv is too retarded to admit her 'mistakes', but anyone with half a brain will know the truth.
>>3994509>>3994512I was never that into the original human design, I will always prefer his demon form. But I will say I've found myself saving more white human Al art recently. I hope no one gets bullied into deleting it, though we know how mental some fans can be.
>>3994512>>3994515I suppose Vivze has the fanbase she wants now, a bunch of retarded monkeys that will lash out at anything and everything. Gotta save and post more of the proper white deer!
>>3994515If TikTok is any metric I really doubt western artists will continue to draw him white. And I wouldn't put it past nutters to attack eastern artists who do. They did so in the SU fandom, and the HH fanbase is almost just as bad.>>3994518My archive is pretty big, I'm hoping that the more prominent human Al artists keep up their work for archival purposes at least...
>>3994518Well given her latest post on bluesky... I mean, the second season of her Amazon show is airing in just over a week, and she decides to start shit stirring about shipping? Weird.Justice for the white deer!
>>3994521>I mean, the second season of her Amazon show is airing in just over a week, and she decides to start shit stirring about shipping? WeirdI've seen the theory that she did that to take attention away from Blake Roman fucking spoiling Angel's story in season 2, but that's probably just tin hatting.Either way, I have a feeling her most hated ship is one that involves deer.
>>3994533What he said was barely a spoiler, it's hinted at in the teaser trailer. With the amount of stuff for season 2 that's already been spoiled, it would be kind of a drastic reaction. Kind of funny though, in a sad way.As for the ship in question, it's highly likely that it is an Alastor ship. I've mostly tried to ignore it, hating on one particular ship because some fans are schizos is dumb. All popular ships eventually attract retards unfortunately. It's a shame that Viv has decided to muddy the waters though.
>>3994521>>3994533I heard she liked an anti-Charlastor post on blueksy after she made that post. Charlastor shippers were indeed the most obnoxious back in 2019, but it's kind of amazing if she still holds a grudge against it 5 years later after they've chilled out quite a lot. I just can't believe she posts like this at her age and after everything >literally extremely successful and famous>has her dreams come true>still spends her time constantly online and tweets like a teenage girl with no lifeInsane behavior
>>3994538I don't remember Charlastors being super obnoxious desu, but in fairness I was only casually involved in the fandom during the pilot era, so what do I know? As far as Viv is concerned, I genuinely don't care what her opinions are on non canon things like shipping and politics. Any content creator worth their salt doesn't interact with their fans in such a manner. It's highly unprofessional. Most people who enjoy a ship aren't going to automatically stop enjoying it because the creator doesn't like it. That's just...not how fandom works. If it's Charlastor she's being weird about it will effect my enjoyment of the ship absolutely none.
>>3994538I can't believe she has so little self-awareness. She said before that she knows that every time she likes something, fans are there speculating about why she liked it. So what exactly did she think was going to happen saying that there's this one ship that she hates? Of course people are speculating and using it as an excuse to attack each other. I personally don't like Charlastor, but singling out one ship is in poor taste. It's not something I engage with so I can't really judge. (plus I like Radioapple, definitely can't judge haha) It's exhausting though, shipping should be fun and Viv should stay out of it.
>>3994540>I don't remember Charlastors being super obnoxious desuThey definitely were. As someone who quite likes the ship now, they were easily the loudest and most overbearing portion of the fanbase (even during the time of radiodust being most popular overall), but they've significantly calmed down over the years and are some of the nicest shippers. The issue is Viv putting a target on the backs of anyone who likes whatever ship she hates. If she came out and said what it was, hoards of dumb kids would spread out and use it as ammo against any content creators for that pairing. Next thing you know, you post art of *ship she hates* and it'll be met with>"ummmmm viv hates you XD">"ew shit she canonically hates">"why are you shipping something so shit that even viv hates it">"your ship will NEVER be canon"and further harassment from there. Really awful and unprofessional of her
>>3994550anyone who likes viv cannot be trusted desu
I want to see Alastor wear a really flashy corset with a loose coat over top and no shirt on underneath. Just corset, pants, and coat
Also, one thing I'm hopeful for: even though we see Alastor without his coat and no tail in season 2, artists and writers completely disregard that shit and keep his tail. I'm of the belief that, unless we see him pantsless, he's always hiding his tail
>>3994613Hot…>>3994614Alastor is fluffy and has a tail. Simple as
>>3994613A totally reasonable thing to want. I like that this artist puts him in a corset, he needs something to support that damn waist. >>3994614Hopefully. It would be incredibly boring if everyone just drew what was canon and nothing else. Alastor hiding his tail makes sense anyway. I would absolutely believe that he endures it being uncomfortably strapped away under his trousers so that no one sees it.
A few things this morning:>Hazbin Hotel premiered on Broadway From what I've seen it's basically just a big screen playing S1. I would be disappointed since I would have expected an actual live event with the VAs. Kind of lame to pay top dollar for what's basically a sing along. They did show the first episode of S2, however. The plot has been leaked on Reddit, but it's not much that we don't already know.>Viv's shenanigans with the shipping comments have caused fandom upset. A good many people have assumed that the ship she was referring to was Charlastor, and have predictably chimped out at Charlastor artists, further showing the collective IQ of this fandom is subpar and probably made up of neurotic teenage girls. Viv is actively blocking people who call this to her attention.
>>3994624I've seen people complaining about the event, well, saying that they shouldn't have shown the first two episodes at such a limited event, and also that the people getting tickets seemed to be content creators with a decent following. Which, eh, could be sour grapes, I mean in a week we'll all be on the same page anyway and those who saw it early have to wait twice as long for episode 3. But still. Episode 2 was fully leaked anyway, albeit in its unfinished state, and even without people posting the synopses on reddit it's obvious what was going to happen in episode 1. Though if you hadn't seen the leaked episode, there's plenty of new stuff I guess.Viv fucked up. She really did. I've seen one artist say they're not going to post on twitter anymore due to the backlash, and I barely interact with anything Charlastor. It's fucking disgusting that people are defending her as well. She knew what she was doing. And she is allowed to have preferences like anyone else. But she knows exactly how people were going to react. Absolutely vile behaviour.
>>3994631Unless I was a major content creator I probably wouldn't travel to see the Broadway show to be fair. One night only isn't really time enough for elaborate sets and a well rehearsed performance imo. It seemed to be a vehicle to get content creators to hype up S2.Being a part of the mainstream fandom is like walking a tightrope. When I posted fic and art elsewhere I had to be very hardline 'minors dni', and that kills half of your potential audience, sadly. These are mostly kids, and kids are known for being overly emotional and impulsive. I feel bad for people who do sfw Charlastor, because for me it would come down to 'you're a minor, I'm in my 30s. This is 18+ material, fuck off'. Not that there aren't adult ship schizos, but that's widely not been my experience. As far as Viv is concerned, yeah, a cosmic fuck up. And in typical Viv fashion she just blocks people instead of taking accountability. Nobody should be bashed for enjoying a particular ship, it's childish and weird.
>>3994633>>3994624>>3994631Heard that at the broadway showing a bunch of the freaks where being freaks, yelling and screaming and all that throughout. The type of fan Vivze wants I guess
>>3994634I'm quite convinced that Viv doesn't want fans who are critical or mild mannered. I think she wants fans who mindlessly consume her product and go on the warpath to defend her. This is one reason I think she hasn't really done anything to curb the teen viewership of her 'adults only' show.
>>3994640Seems about right, still sad to see though. Luckily we can ignore all that and focus on what truly matters!
>>3994641The deer! <3
Today was overall a good day despite Viv being a cunt because I got more cute deers.
>>3994646Beautiful stuff! I've been debating getting the human Al myself...
>>3994648He's a cutie, and his eyes really do follow you around the room. Even when everything else is shitty, deer provides.
>>3994645:D>>3994646Glorious haul!>>3994646GET IT!>>3994651Gotta love his mysterious ways
Well, there are more leaks, supposedly from episode 6. The only deer related thing is Angel mentioning that Alastor isn't around anymore. Are we even going to have anything left to see before it officially airs, kek.
>>3994706Knowing how it went last time? Not really
>>3994706>producer's toddlers leaking Hazbin on TikTok You really can't make this shit up.
>>3994713Crazy shit, probably raised from birth with a iPad or phone in their hands too which is sad… need some good old fashioned Alastor values!
>>3994714Yep. Anything to avoid being a parent. Too bad no deer in the leaks though. :|
>>3994715He got a mention and that’s about it >the mention was about him not being around:(
>>3994716He's probably going to be absent for the majority of the season I fear. And I still have to wait until November to see my beloved human Al. :(
>>3994717Painful, I suppose the less screen time he has the less Vivze can ruin him
It'll be fine, it'll be fine, just trust in the deer, it'll be fine.
Oh boy, can't wait for deer to show up in 3 episodes tops!!>ruining and sidelining your most popular character this badlyGood job, viv
>>3994737that one toy story gif is fitting. gotta follow this advice for sure >>3994724. or even better, write a better hazbin story that is Alastor-focused! Certainly cant do as bad as viv!
>>3994737I have a feeling he's going to be more involved with the story that Viv wants to tell, aka season 3. Idk why, I just do. If that's the case we just need to get through this season.>>3994739I wish I had time to write... Alastor will have to wait. Soon, my deer...
>>3994743we all wish we had more time to do the deery things! but alas real life comes first! I wonder what kinda stories Alastor would like, murder mysteries? Maybe a bit too real for mr Alastor.
>>3994745I wonder if he would read murder mysteries and critique them. I think he'd find it amusing if they got details about murder wrong. Or think about how much better at getting away with murder he is than the murderer in the end.
https://x.com/wispiicoatl/status/1980737195532251217?t=8WV7DQiSkJ0t5PVCmkG9DQ&s=19More leaks. More deer referenced
>The deer will be free.O happy day! Also human Vox? Hmm, if Viv makes him anything other than white people are going to loose their shit.
>>3994747Wow, ok. I mean, I'm less inclined to believe these without a source but they seem to line up with what's been leaked so far. I guess episode 4 is our episode? I'd be happy with getting some answers about his relationship with Vox. And in the end, he breaks both his deals. Interesting, sounds like they're setting him up for him 'pulling the strings'.
>>3994747Ahahaha the whole season is shit unless you're a TVfag. Feels like a filler season too
>>3994746He definitely would! He is the expert after all!>>3994748Only two episodes with confirmed deer tho… not great!
>>3994752Well, it is getting us to season 3 which is the one Viv wanted to make, so... yeah.
>>3994747>Alastor breaks free of both deals>bothHuh?
>>3994767In the episode 4 section it talks about him having a deal with Vox. Perhaps it's what Vox and Val were talking about before Stayed Gone in season 1, when they said he owed them something.
>>3994780>it's going to be stupid and underwhelming Count on that.Wonder if I should start investing in Radiobelle/Radioapple stocks now because you just know one of the Morningstar's gets him out of that deal. And it will also be stupid and underwhelming.
>>3994787>stupid and underwhelmingYup. Very sad. Viv will 100% have chosen the most uninteresting way for this to happen. Gotta keep those expectations low.
>>3994795I thought I'd quelled all hope, yet I'm feeling disappointed about the leaks. Not even deer related, I'm pissed that Ralph's insanely degenerate need to have Angel abused by all the Vees so she can jerk off to it is being catered to and that Vaggie is STILL doing all the work in Chaggie by initiating sex while Charlie barely gives a shit. Despite it all, I was at least hoping Chaggie would be improved by having Charlie show interest, but no, can't even have that. Fucking everything is disappointing me and it's miserable.
>>3994798To be fair the Chaggie scene feels weird. Like, Charlie is worried about her friends and the impending war and whatever, and Vaggie's dancing around shaking her ass in her face. Is it just another example of their poor communication that's going to lead to future tensions in their relationship or is it just Viv's bad writing? At this point who knows. Angel getting hypnotised looks like such a fanfic plot, I'm sure I've read almost that exact scenario a million times on fanfiction.net. At this point I just want it to be out and over and done with, I hate the anticipation and the fact that every day there's a new leak.
>>3994799If it turns out the Chaggie stuff is going to lead to struggles in their relationship they need to overcome (like Charlie being told she needs to start caring about Vaggie), then I'll be okay with what we're getting. But the fact this song was hyped up as "steamy" has me thinking it's a sincere attempt at making Chaggie more romantic after constant criticism over the ship feeling platonic. Which is embarrassing if so because, once again, it's Vaggie doing ALL THE WORK while Charlie is still busy focusing on other shit and also awkward as fuck in context. I've never seen a canon romantic ship come across as so one sided in my fucking life.But I guess we gotta devote more time to Angel getting raped by every Vee because that freak Ralph needs to goon. God forbid developing a lesbian relationship.
>>3994540I've been around since 2021. If anything Charlastor's had to take and put up with a lot of shit. I don't remember them ever doing anything unusual or outrageous - at least nothing others aren't guilty of.
>>3994802>I've been around since 2021Yeah, you came late. They were extremely annoying in 2019.
>>3994804To add to that, they have the unfortunate timing of becoming the loudest and most cancerous during the birth of the fandom, so their early behavior kind of remains notable for that reason. I really think that's why the hate has stuck around for so long despite Charlastor shippers now being one of the chillest parts of the fandom. It's incredibly unfair and it appears that Viv still holds a grudge even though there are far more notably annoying shipper bases nowadays
>>3994802I've been casually observing the fandom since the pilot, so 2019-ish. Charlastor was one of the more populated ships alongside Radiodust, there were probably more militant people shipping it then because, well, RS and RA weren't really things yet. The only thing I recall personally was 'Charlastor' day falling on Viv's birthday and some people pestering her to recognize it, which of course annoyed her. Retrospectively it was not that dramatic as compared to what would come later, but Viv is a petty gal, so it wouldn't surprise me if she's still salty about it. I can't recall much else, but again, I wasn't balls deep into the fandom like I am now.
>>3994798>>3994799>>3994800>Crossposting my thoughts on the Chaggie situation from /hhg/:The Chaggie stuff is bad. I'm looking at it from the perspective of Viv not writing very well, and not any particular malice towards the ship, but damn. It reminds me of being with my ex who was a narcissistic piece of shit, I devoted so much of myself to him and he was always just like 'meh'. It was never reciprocated unless it was super specific to his interests. A horrible, horrible way to waste your years and come out with complex trauma. Vaggie reminds me of myself in the sense that I felt like I 'owed' my ex, and it was up to me to protect his reputation. So it rubs a raw nerve. Now, I don't think Charlie is a narcissistic abuser, but Vaggie tries so hard only for her to get snubbed at every opportunity. Viv has absolutely no idea how to write gay relationships, her sapphic ones look like codependent bed death, and her male ones are fetishistic. I'm convinced that if she did write Charlastor it would be ruined, for that reason I'm happy she's not.
>>3994830I'll paraphrase what I said on /hhg/, plus a few more thoughts. From what we've seen it looks bad. But I think it'll depend on the context of the scene, and what Viv eventually does with their relationship in the future. Charlie definitely doesn't have any malicious intentions in being less affectionate, but if we're supposed to take their relationship at face value and see it as a good relationship from this, then it really falls flat. It kind of works as giving them the potential to grow. But it depends on Viv. Could be good, could be shit.
>>3994834It is a lot of projection from my part, but my main take away is that Viv and I are very close to the same age, so I would like to hope that she has the life experience to write a good, nuanced relationship. Unfortunately I don't think that's the case. The weird thing to me is how she props up Chaggie as if it's some wonderful lesbian representation, but it's one of the most one sided, toxic/codependent relationships I've seen. I'll eat crow if this is just meant to showcase the problems in their relationship and a vehicle for relationship growth, but something tells me that's not the case, unfortunately. We'll see where it goes.
>>3994836Yeah, I'm probably giving Viv too much credit. But based on what I've gleaned from interviews, they know Chaggie isn't perfect and needs some work. I feel like I've seen a lot of Chaggie recently in marketing though, idk if it's purposeful or I'm just noticing something that's not a thing. I also wouldn't put it past Viv to double down on it just because of the backlash she got for her comments on shipping, she is petty enough.
>>3994838>>3994836I could care less about chaggie, but damn Vivze I wish she would make at least one of her plots interesting
>>3994839Sorry, Viv has to choose the least interesting option every time, please understand.
>>3994840DAMN YOU VIVZE
>>3994809Charlastor really wasn't all that popular back then compared to angel d x Al, only somewhat popular. but she went out of her way to kill Radiodust.
>>3994866It was basically just Radiodust and Charlastor as the big ships, but regardless it was the latter that were loud and imposing
I just wanna say how much I love /deer/, especially on /cm/
>>3994982Deer is fun on /cm/ sometimes slow but focused!
>>3995021It's really nice not having to worry about the thread 404ing overnight and all the discussion is great.
why's everyone assuming it was Charlastor she was talking about. I more than suspect she dislikes:Vees polyamoryBlitz x StrikerStolas and Stella reconciling and getting back together.Quite a few heterosexual ships in general.The only thing she has any justifiable reason to completely hate is incest-related stuff, since those people were partially responsible for getting the Instagram accounts shut down. all Charlastor hate is baseless and stretching it. Regardless it's good even some of her fans are calling her out for stirring shit up.
>>3995032It's based off her outward hate towards it in 2019 and her liking a post directly under her hate ship post that was charlastor related.
>>3995028I will probably bake thrusday on trash so we can post some horny deeers. I forgot to bake today. Someone is making a massive plushed deer so have a wip of that
>>3995037Don’t worry about it, bake when you can. That is a big deer! Looks like he would be good to snuggle.
>>3994982Definitely one of my better ideas, I'm glad we moved. Having leisurely conversation without worrying about the thread 404ing and also not worrying about baitfags coming to disturb our thread has been a godsend. At this stage in my life I'm kind of over the immature 4chan troll nonsense, and on /trash/ it just wasn't manageable as long as they were bleeding over from /hhg/. Thank God for /cm/'s rules and moderation I can go without the porn to have peace.>>3995032Basically what >>3995036 says. Though I agree that at this point there are much more hated ships on Viv's part. Still it's all just speculation because Viv hasn't said anything explicitly.>>3995037No worries! That's a big deer. :0
It is baked!>>>/trash/78731043
>>3995052I just find it funny she's alright with Angel x Val, but Charlastor is apparently crossing some imaginary line.
>>3995076She's fine with making cute merchandise for the rapist/rape enabler pairing and even caters to Raphielle's incessant need to have Angel raped by them and fetishize Angel's abuse, yet Charlastor is a bridge too far. As a yaoi shipper myself, even I'm appalled at just how poisoned Viv's brain is by the fujo juice.
