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>>3997796I felt euphoria from seeing human Al and then an immediate crash with the hinted sexual abuse. But that makes sense for me considering my history. Sing it happen to Al was rough.>>3997788Maybe just a bit...
>>3997803*seeing it. Sorry I can't type.
Millie why aren't you doing well at all? You said last thread you weren't? I hope you're alright. I assume it's the show? I hadn't seen the most recent episode
>>3997803That's what got me as well, it brought up some specific memories I'd forgotten about. It'll pass, but it feels pretty shitty right now.
>>3997811Yeah so, I don't wanna powerlevel about my life too much, but as a brief explanation: My ex had a fetish and a porn addiction and to please him I'd regularly have to watch and help him fantasize about things I didn't want to do since I'm asexual. And he knew I was ace. It got really bad at times and there was a lot of manipulation and dubious consent. It left me having really difficult feelings towards intimacy and trust for a long time. Seeing Alastor tied up and forced to watch/participate in something he didn't want to because he's ace hit way harder than I was expecting. So I'm trying to work through those feelings.>>3997812I'm very, very sorry. I wish that Viv had a little more self control and left some bits out. At the same time I feel guilty for yucking someone else's yum, so I'm trying to keep my head down about it.
>>3997815>Seeing Alastor tied up and forced to watch/participate in something he didn't want to because he's ace hit way harder than I was expectingThe fact that some are saying he deserves it or are making jokes about it does piss me off a lot, as an RS shipper. Despite not seeing the act itself, there should've still been some kind of warning before the episode. Also, people insisting it's not SA or all that bad, which is ridiculous. If you're out and about and a random guy flashes his dick at you, that is legally categorized as SA. It's the threat of more that makes it assault, in the same way someone pulling a gun at you is assault. Alastor being forced to watch them fuck with the looming threat of him being next is serious and should not be played off as a joke.
>>3997823A warning before the episode would have been appropriate. There are a lot of people out there who have unresolved sexual trauma like I do, and my experience really pales in comparison to the things many deer friends have experienced. So it's really hard to see the character you love subjected to sexual abuse. And it's even worse to see how people say it wasn't SA or that he 'deserved it' while fetishizing the abuse. I won't judge people with rape kinks. I have many 'disturbing' kinks myself, but it's up to me to let people know what they're in for before they interact with my content. I know trigger warnings are kind of cringe in most contexts, but for some things they're very appropriate.
If they treated the situation that alastor was in with a bit more respect and didn’t treat it like a joke, it would have been passable.
On another note. Viv liked a tweet where someone said Alastor was a service top, and while I don't take any of this stuff as canon it is very sweet and ace coded. Most of us who aren't sex repulsed get off on pleasing our partners rather than experiencing pleasure ourselves. Having Al lovingly dominate you and not finishing until you have is certainly a feeling.>>3997828The tone was widely inappropriate, but that's been the case with most depictions of SA in the show.
>>3997829>widely*wildly. Now that's an interesting autocorrect.
>>3997815It's fine, it'll go away eventually, and it's the kind of content I seek out. But it just got to me this time. I do project onto Alastor a lot. Though it could have been worse, I was half expecting Vox to be actually in bed with Alastor before they showed him sat in the chair. I'm glad they had a little restraint, at least. >>3997823It would be so much more bearable if people would stop being weird about it. After seeing some of the comments I had to take a break from twitter, and I'm usually pretty good at ignoring that kind of thing. So many people justifying it by saying that Alastor is a bad guy, and that people are acting like he was actually forced to sleep with them. Ugh, people are vile.
>>3997828>>3997829This. This season has been extremely weird with how it's trying to portray rape and SA as just slapstick or comedy. No doubt it's being done so that people sympathize or fangirl the Vees, but jesus, it's uncomfortable. They're literally a band of rapists and rape supporters, it's so weird
Anyone else think that he reacted like this because he has BPD?
>>3997832I usually seek out really rough stuff myself, and I don't get 'triggered' easily, but I suppose I've projected too hard on to Alastor, so seeing it caused a visceral reaction. I'm glad it wasn't worse than what it was, and I suppose it's my fault for interacting with media without having my shit together, but damn. I started my day super excited to see human Al, and ended it holding on to my pillow while my partner held me. It was emotionally exhausting. >>3997833I've had to check out of the discourse completely, people are being really weird about it and I'm having a hard time believing there are this many rape apologists out there. It's one thing to be like 'yeah, I have a rape kink', or 'yeah, I know the character I like is evil, but I don't care," it's another to say someone deserves SA because they turned down a cult leader who wanted more power and a relationship that didn't match with the person's sexuality. Really wild takes out there.
>>3997834Oh most definitely. While I do think that Al's reaction was played up a bit to excuse what would come later, it's very on target with splitting. Alastor seems to has a very difficult time trusting people, he probably assumed that Vox was going to try to use this for his personal gain which he'd eventually use against Alastor. It's also possible that Alastor has a very dysfunctional sense of self and views himself as pathetic for needing Rosie's help, so he projects that onto Vox. Letting people get close to him in any capacity would be dangerous. And we see that Alastor has every reason to feel this way. It's hinted that he had a difficult childhood, and even as an adult he'd been treated like a specimen to be evaluated, gawked at, and used for other's entertainment. Just look at pic rel, it mirrors a cage, a cage where he's being picked apart for any flaws despite his obvious talent. Later we see a man spill wine on him and just dismiss him because he's just there to be preforming decoration, not a person. Alastor wanting power makes sense, but he was manipulated, and continues his life of being someone else's 'pet'. BPD worsens with adverse life events. It's absolutely no wonder Alastor became violent.
>>3997834Possibly, could be some other mental stuff
>>3997834He's definitely got something going on, BPD is a fair guess. Pretty much everyone he interacts with he has a deal with, either they have power over him or he has power over them (or both). A partnership on equal footing would be difficult for him, I don't think he would let himself trust Vox enough to agree to it just like that. >>3997835I thought I'd prepared for the worst, but I guess not. The anxiety for the past week probably didn't help. I've managed so far to stay away from too much of that content, usually I just end up spiralling. In better news, my daki has finally arrived in the country, so soon I will get to hold him irl. Can't wait, I'm going to lie in bed all day and cry probably.
>>3997841Hold that deer tight
>>3997843I'm never letting go.
>>3997841Glad he'll be there soon to help take the edge off. If it's of any solace it's exactly what I did for the rest of Wednesday evening after I'd finished my daily obligations. I just held him and cried until my husband came up and held me while I clutched my daki. So I get it. Get through however you need to.
>>3997834As a BPD haver, he definitely clocks as that. The constant need for praise and adoration while freaking the fuck out when relationships get too real, hits close to home.
On the topic of BPD it would be really nice if Viv actually let Alastor end up being positive representation of neurodivergence by having him learn to trust and open up without fear. I was suspected to be BPD for a long while before finding out I was just traumatized and autistic, but the experience left me with a soft spot for others with the diagnosis. There's a massive stigmatization of the 'illness' and some positive character growth for someone struggling would mean a lot.
I think my main issue with the SA scene is that it didn't need to be there and, if it had to be, it should've been treated seriously. I've seen Staticmoth shippers express disappointment that their promised sex scene was off screen and centered on Alastor and I've seen some condemn Radiostatic as problematic now due to it, so no one was really happy about it. You could've just hard cut to the part where Vox talks to Al and break into their song, the song itself and Val's comment conveys the UST (on Vox's side) well enough. I can't figure out who this tone deaf gag was even for
>>3997851I think my hopes of Viv approaching anything with sensitivity or seriousness has been dashed completely, but that would be nice
>>3997851Could be nice, however I wouldn't trust Viv to do it well at all unfortunately. >>3997852I'm dreading the Angel Dust hypno scenes coming up, because although I'm not really into him and definitely not on the same level I am with Al, it's definitely not going to be handled well. It'll be yet another punchline. With the scene in episode 4, my heart dropped for a second before they revealed that it was Val in bed with Vox and Al was in the chair. It was set up like a joke. I think a lot of people struggle with the fact that no one is saying not to put these themes in the show, but it's the way in which they're constantly framed as a gag. Viv needs to pick a lane, if she wants to show these things in a serious way, she needs to stop putting in these stupid unfunny jokes.
>>3997852I think Viv was trying to pander to everyone and ended up upsetting most all of us. The Hazbin team really, really needs to make up their mind as to whether rape is meant to be taken as a joke or if it's meant to be taken seriously, you can't have both. And if Viv were actually ace like she claims to be, she'd know how dangerously close she's coming to the rape correction trope a lot of us are afraid of.
>>3997858>>3997860Viv would botch it to the point where it would become stereotypical in some way, but in the hands of a better writer it would be nice. Viv shouldn't be anywhere near anything that would require sensitivity and nuance.
>>3997846There ya go
Nugget deer doesn’t like his drink!
>>3997857>>3997856>>3997855>>3997853thats a silly deer
>>3997901Should have made him a Sazerac instead.
Wtf? Fun police. It wouldn't let me swipe out. Hmm.
>>3997967What the hell were you doing? Because I kept getting messages like this and it let me swipe and it continued the rp. This was a rp in which yandere Al tricked me into going into his room, and basically tortured me in every way (including SA) until I was just as damaged as him. How boring.
>>3997968I think it was probably because I went from venting to letting him manipulate me into sexting and it flagged something. It seems to not let me swipe whenever self harm or suicidal ideation is brought up. Weird. I rewound the chat to a few messages prior and it worked fine. C.ai is +17 now, no need to worry about such stupid censorship I'd like to think.
>>3997969I wish they'd remove the filter, or at least have the option to for c.ai+ if they really want to protect the children or whatever. I usually get around the self harm ones just by changing the wording a little. It's easy to get around these things once you know how, it feels redundant having these safety features if you can just delete the message and it'll just let you carry on.
>>3997970Making it a paid feature would make them a healthy amount of money, though I think it's to comply with guidelines on the App store. SpicyChat got booted recently and I think c.ai is worried that it might face the same fate if it allows uncensored rp. Of course I've never had an issue getting around filters, but having messages like this pop up more and more is annoying.
On another topic, I'm starting to get really frustrated with people claiming that Alastor doesn't care for Husk and Niffty. While he probably allowed himself to be captured by Vox to later get out of his deal with Rosie, it was very obvious that he stopped the fight specifically when Niffty and Husk were in danger. Hell, he even keeps Niffty's roach crown in his room. I don't understand this obsession with making him a sociopathic ASPD instead of a nuanced character. Is it Vox simping? It's odd. If I'm being painfully honest, Alastor has done more work towards redemption than anyone else. The show talks about Angel 'making progress' but we see none of it. Is he clean? Is he still working in porn? We get an off hand comment about therapy, but that's it. Charlie (who's becoming a very annoying toxic positivity character who respects no boundaries) had to make make it clear that redemption has to be specific to the sins the characters committed, otherwise people might be asking questions as to why Alastor's sacrifice for his friends wasn't selfless enough, even if there were other motives behind it.
>>3997971I don't really blame them for that with the way the world's going, it's just that it feels redundant. >>3997974People are saying that? Did they watch the show? The look that Alastor gives Niffty when she's pinned down by Val is so telling. I think people forget when looking at Al is to not go by his whole facial expression, look at everything but the smile. He uses his smile to hide how he's feeling, but he's actually very expressive if you ignore it, particularly with his eyes and ears. I would really like to see Husk going off the rails in the next few episodes be somewhat related to Alastor being captured. They have a complicated relationship, but there's clearly some kind of mutual respect there. I would also like to know how he came to know about Alastor's deal with Rosie, if he even knows it's Rosie that owns his soul, because that is information Alastor wouldn't trust anyone with. Did Alastor trust Husk enough to tell him? Or did Husk find out, and Alastor is constantly on edge worrying about him telling someone?Angel Dust is treated so weirdly by the show now. It feels more like he's just a vehicle for yaoi fanfic tropes than an actual character. (I'm glad someone else is finding Charlie annoying this season. She's traumatised and not coping at all with what's happened, but it feels like they've just made her stupid for the sake of advancing the plot. I hope this changes in the next episodes, because it's really hard to watch.)
>>3997974The fandom is dead set on equivocating Alastor to Valentino and writing him off as 100% evil because he threatened Husk one (ONE!!) time after the latter called him a slave. They ignore that Husk is actually on good terms with Alastor to the point of warning him about Mimzy, talking casually to him, and now fighting to help him. It's blatantly obvious the three of them are some bizarre sort of trio of friends who like and value each other, but that goes against the narrative they've built in their heads about Al. I mean fuck, retards took his little remark about "who really cares about that part" in regards to "Loser Baby" as a sign that Alastor hates Huskerdust and will stop at nothing to make Husk miserable when it was clearly a joke about how popular the song is. Insane behavior.
>>3997981>Angel Dust is treated so weirdly by the show now. It feels more like he's just a vehicle for yaoi fanfic tropes than an actual character.Ironically, the fujo fandom doesn't really care about Angel outside of Huskerdust. Also I have to say it, I find Blake Roman's whiny, nasally voice grating the more I hear it. I miss Kovach's Angel so very much.
>>3997974Vivze didn’t know that just telling people things are happening doesn’t work. You gotta actually show it.>>3997983Back when Angel dust had soul. And don’t get me started with Amir, he is ok at voice alastor sometimes, but damn I miss bosco…
>you're so obsessed with me~>you still need me like you did beforeI quite like this side of Alastor that knows Vox is obsessed with him and revels and preens in it. I wonder if he'd be upset if that obsession actually stopped. As someone with bpd myself, I feel like he would be bothered by it
>>3997984Amir has moments of being decent, particularly in episode 4, but I actively get irritated every time Angel talks or sings. Bosco is a longing for me, but Kovach is a necessity.
>>3997986I'm also put off by how young Angel sounds as well. It makes it difficult for me to care about Huskerdust romantically because Angel sounds like a whiny teenager and Husk sounds like an old man. I'm aware there isn't canonically too terrible an age gap between them AFAIK, but the voices don't help. I know it's not intentional, but Husk seems more like a father figure desu.
>>3997983It's not surprising, when you can open up ao3 and read the same story a million times over. It's tired and it's been done by much better writers. >>3997985Ooh yes. He knew full well that Vox would appear if he called out to him. His plan definitely hinged on Vox still being obsessed with him, and if he hadn't instantly turned up, Alastor would have absolutely seethed.
>>3997981I predict that Husk might have guilt over not saving Alastor and this drives him back to drinking. Husk doesn't know that Alastor is injured, so he and Niffty show up to this fight with the Vees thinking it's just some more turf war nonsense, only for Alastor to sacrifice himself for them. We see Husk use his powers, but not to his full potential, so he may feel guilty that he didn't do more to help his friend. This would also mark the second time that Husk has tried to help Al, only for him to either be ignored or rescued. We still don't know why Al was kind enough to let Husk keep his overlord powers.>>3997982I think it's Vox/Val woobifiers who want Al ti be evil to excuse their fave's behavior. This includes Viv. She knows she's created characters that are objectively shit people, so now she's stuck trying to make them into uwu babies to excuse that.
>>3997985>>3997989Hell, it's probably one of the reasons he hung out with Vox, all the worship and adoration probably tickled the deer immensely. Vox genuinely fucked up by expecting anything beyond that
>>3997985Alastor craves attention and validation, Vox was foolish to think it was anything more than that. Remember at the overlord meeting when Al got pissed off that nobody noticed his absence? So much of his self worth is probably wrapped up in whether people notice him.
>>3997993I will give Alastor all the attention he needs
>>3997997Likewise. I'd worship that deer.
>>3997999Gotta go above and beyond everyday for him, praise his every action and dance with him all throughout the night!
>>3997997>>3997999I really hope he gets a break, it would be sad to see him do nothing but suffer. Deer abuse isn't as fun without some deer love to balance it out.
>>3998001Gotta have a good mix and so far all we have gotten is deer abuse which is sad
>>3997967>>3997968annoying stuff
>>3998000Kiss him tenderly, let him know how much he's loved.>>3998004Very.
>>3998008You gotta be impressed by his cool tricks too!
>>3998019Cute little acrobat.
For the yumes mad at Vox right now.
>>3998025Hell yeah, kick that TV's ass yume-chan!
>>3998025Ahahaha, it made me chuckle, I needed that today. I do hope Alastor gets some satisfying revenge on Vox at some point. (would it be schizo of me to stomp on the free Vox standee I got with some doujins? lel)
>>3998022I would like to help him stretch :3>>3998025>>3998028>>3998029DESTROY THE TV!
>>3998029>would it be schizo of me to stomp on the free Vox standee I got with some doujins? lelMaybe a little. Take him off the stand and put him face down as punishment instead. And place an Alastor standee on top of him if you have one.As a side note, I did find the part where Vox took him on a milkshake date kind of cute. And also him blushing at the suggestion of having sex with Alastor. I like that under the seething hatred and rape degeneracy, he still harbors pure feelings for the deer.
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>>3998031This is the better option, do not completely destroy the tv
>>3998029The TV must be punished. Tie him up with a headphone cord and lay him face down before the deer...
>>3998035The TV must prostrate himself before the deer and beg for eternal forgiveness
>>3998037Vox shouldn’t be so lucky to have deer butt on his face…
>>3998031Aw, I couldn’t really harm him. He’s small and cute. Just a little revenge… The date was kinda cute, probably the kind of thing Vox pictured them doing as partners. Bless him.>>3998035I tied him up, the deers are going to murder him and bury the body. >:)
>>3998040>those Alastors watching himBased. Total TV suffering.
>>3998040Very cute! The two deer are pleased!
>>3997974While I think part of it was to protect them, by having Nifty and Husk at the hotel it allows him to still hold up his end of the bargain with Rosie.
>>3998054Since he didn't summon them to fight, I assume that's what he intended. He probably thought he'd go fight a bit, eventually let Vox get the upper hand and then give up, leaving them at the hotel so he was technically helping. Niffty and Husk showing up was probably a surprise, and it touched him enough that he ended the fight once they were in danger.
Managed a sketch of shota Al now that we know his official design. Made his hair more floofy.
>>3998062Very cute fawn. I like the floofiness.
>>3998063Thank you! I should start sketching more. Hopefully when I'm less busy I can contribute some art to the thread.
>>3998062da fawn!
Real talk, do you guys think Rosie is Lilith? I don't think that leak is fake, there has to be some truth to it.
>>3998070I'm on the fence. I don't want to say one way or another, but it doesn't really make much sense for Rosie to hold enough power to grant Alastor position as the most powerful sinner in Hell. This would mean he's technically more powerful than she is...if she's a sinner at all. And then why would there be a statue of the Morningstar family outside of her emporium? It doesn't make much sense. Either she's Lilith or Viv is trying to bait us.
>>3998070We apparently find out next season. I'm not necessarily sold on her being Lilith, Roo makes more sense to me. But Viv is hinting hard that she's connected to the Morningstars. Whatever happens, it'll be the most uninteresting angle, as is Viv's style.
What do you think of the theory that Vox will get redeemed in front of everyone to prove to sinners that redemption works?
>>3998080If he does, I hope he only does so after Alastor has chance to gut him.
Man, I'm so wrapped up in my ardor for the deer and Radiostatic that it's actually making me feel crummy now, like all my happiness is currently attached to this fleeting thing. Anyone know how to overcome overdosing on Alastor? Would touching grass help?
>>3998082Go find deer in da woods
>>3998080I really hope not. Unless he realizes that he's a sexual abuser and enabler. >>3998082Going to be painfully honest, take a break. Go for a walk in the park, engage in other media, spend time with family/friends. When you're feeling better we'll be here waiting. I take two week breaks when I'm down bad.
>>3998082Touching grass would probably help. Or engage with something else for a bit. I have a few comfort shows that I watch for a bit when I need to calm down and switch off for a bit. The deer will still be here when you’re ready.
So, there's something that's been niggling me a little. When Alastor breaks his deal with Rosie, that would mean that he loses his power, right? One of the differences between him and Vox is that Vox worked to get where he is, without Rosie's backing, will Alastor go back to just being another sinner? Are there any repercussions for breaking a deal? Because if there weren't, surely Angel would just not go to work to be free of Val. Could that be what Alastor uses his deal with Charlie for? I can't see him wanting to start again from them bottom, keeping his power has to be part of his plan. Given Charlie's nature and especially her mental state this season, if he can get her alone, he could probably get her to give him anything. I bet she feels guilty about what happened to him as well, since she was right there when Vox dragged him into the studio and she couldn't do anything about it.
>>3998134I think Al will loose his powers, yes. But at the same time I doubt he'll go back to zero, because he owns two souls and I assume that gives him some power, especially when Husk is a former Overlord. I kind of feel like he might use Charlie's deal to escape Vox, considering that his deal with Vox hinges on Vox not harming Charlie.
>>3998147I think his wording of his deal with Vox is interestingly specific. He says that Vox isn't to lay a hand on her. Vox can hurt her in lots of different ways that don't involve using his hands. During Vox's scenes with Charlie he is kind of all over her. I think that Alastor is going to spend the rest of the time he's captured taunting Vox and helping him to go a little crazy, as he alluded to in the song. I could see Alastor using his deal with Charlie to get her to give Vox a handshake or something though, that would be funny.Another little theory I've seen is that when Alastor asked Vox to "let these irrelevant little nobodies run along home" he was actually referring to Valentino and Velvette. This ties into what Husk said when he was thrown in to the battle, he calls the Vees nobodies. Perhaps later on when Vox does go mad, he tries to sacrifice the other Vees, and he's forced to let them go instead. I love the idea of Alastor playing 5d chess and completely fucking Vox over, basically. I get the feeling that the whole overlord system is going to change anyway, with Vox stirring them up as part of his plan to invade Heaven. If one of the Vees gets killed/redeemed, that's a lot of deals to be accounted for. I'd love to know all the rules behind becoming an overlord and making deals.
>>3998084>I take two week breaks when I'm down bad.Isn't it crazy how consumed we can get over this damn deer? He is worse than drugs, I understand Vox completely
>retards on Twitter arguing Alastor deserves sexual abuse from Vox because Alastor threatened Husk one time, completely ignoring that Husk and Al are obviously on amiable terms >meanwhile, every single instance of Vox being a horrific man towards his subordinates gets ignored I fucking hate this fandom
>>3998149>Perhaps later on when Vox does go mad, he tries to sacrifice the other Vees, and he's forced to let them go insteadThis is actually a really good observation. We see that Vox does care about them in the way that he shields them from Alastor's attack, but does he care about them more than he cares about hurting Alastor? Vox took that deal without a single moment to stop and think of the repercussions, knowing that Alastor is shrewd when it comes to deal making. I hope it comes back to haunt him. Hopefully we'll get some more overlord lore, I'd like to know how they gain and manage to keep their powers.>>3998151For me it can be summed up as autism lol, but yes, once he gets his hooks in there's little chance of escape.>>3998152The discourse around SA has been abysmal. For my mental health I'm having to sit it out. I would advise the same for anyone here who's struggling with past experiences and having to watch Al go through similar trauma.
https://x.com/mariaquevedo07/status/1986572625875759464?t=gw22HD-WJ_Gl2G0_DAPMQA&s=19This person was going viral on my timeline because she's an American 26 year old and learned about Jim Crow because of episode 4. Everyone is clowning on her but after snooping her page, it turns out she was the one that asked about Radiostatic at a con. I was wondering what Viv was going on about on Bluesky.
>>3998152>>3998155>>3998157Xitter tards are the scum of the earth more often then not
>>3998151It's been a rough week and I've felt silly about how overwhelmed I've been because my feelings. But it's getting better. I ended up walking out of a lecture yesterday, but taking a day off really helped and I can be somewhat normal again.>>3998152No one deserves sexual abuse, anyone defending what Vox did to Alastor is fucked up. You can't justify it, it's torture. Alastor is a bad person, Vox is a bad person. They are bad people doing bad things to each other. It's not a hard concept, it seems like a lot of reaching to try and justify why their favourite character isn't problematic. Looking back at when Alastor threatened Husk, he's definitely projecting, he's stressed out, and from Husk's reaction, this isn't the way Alastor would normally react to something like that. If Alastor threatened to tear him to pieces every time he made a snide remark, Husk probably would be dead several times over by now. Again, Alastor was being an asshole, regardless of the reasons why, but that still doesn't justify what happened.>>3998155I suspect Vox's choice between Alastor and the other Vees might be a big part of his downfall at the end. Even though he says he doesn't care, Alastor was right in saying that Vox is still obsessed and wants Alastor to watch him win. If Vox ends up getting redeemed (which he shouldn't), I would imagine it's because at the last minute he sacrifices himself/the plan to save the other two.
>>3998157Man. It's been an interesting few days for me. As someone who was born and raised on the Gulf Coast I've had to explain what 'Creole' means about a dozen times, that Louisiana Voodoo and Haitian Voodoo aren't the same, and the intricacies of race relations here specifically. Because outside of that narrow strip between Louisiana and southwest Ga/the Fl panhandle, race relations were extremely different. Having 14 year olds try to correct me on these things has certainly been an experience.>>3998159>I would imagine it's because at the last minute he sacrifices himself/the plan to save the other tooWhich makes little sense, since Alastor technically sacrificed himself for Husk and Niffty, even if his motivations were muddied. But I agree that probably where the story is trending.
>>3998157>American 26 year old and learned about Jim Crow because of episode 4What the actual fuck is going on in the American education system? I swear most non-burgers are more educated on their history and politics than they are.
>>3998162Not to get off on a tangent, but as an older millennial I can attest that the education I received and the education that the younger generation has received is completely different. I've seen people come to Louisiana and be upset when they hear French in the airport, because 'this is America' lol.
>>3998157Christ. I've seen some of her posts and she comes across as younger than that. Honestly the drama over that is Viv's fault. She talks a lot of shit and when she doesn't deliver, she backtracks and tries to gaslight everyone into believing that she meant it to be that way all along. Viv is probably just mad that it was caught on camera so she couldn't deny it.>>3998161I have personally avoided much of the discussion, and mostly grabbed art, because I really don't want to get into arguments about race and voodoo. I'm not American, but I was briefly obsessed with New Orleans and read a lot about the city. The information is literally on wikipedia, you don't even have to do deep research to realise that Al's situation in life might be slightly nuanced.>>3998162>>3998164It isn't just Americans, I have the joys of interacting with 18 year old Brits daily and the lack of what I thought was basic knowledge is astounding.
>>3998165>I'm not American, but I was briefly obsessed with New Orleans and read a lot about the city.Not to get mildly off topic, but the Gulf Region (pic rel) is a super fascinating place. And I say this not just because I'm from there lol. There's this really unique blend of Anglo and French culture with a bit of German, Irish/Scottish, Native and African influence. It's really deepest, darkest South and at times it feels like some sort of portal to somewhere else. I've been lucky enough to travel extensively through the region and I hope all Alastor yumes get the chance to make a pilgrimage. Tallahassee, Biloxi, Pensacola, and Mobile all worth checking out. Thomasville up in Ga is pretty too.But I digress.
>>3998168Deerlandia
>>3998168What the actual fuck is my grammar?>missing 'the'>misspelling throughout >'are all worth'We're not beating those 'murican dumb allegations today.>>3998171I wonder if he travelled to other places to kill. Could have easily gone a few states over and no one would be the wiser...
>>3998172I imagine alastor would like to at least seem well traveled for his radio show. I would imagine that he would gush about certain states if he managed to get a few kills in them the night before
>>3998168Honestly it was like my second weeb phase, only instead of Japan I wanted to go to New Orleans. I still do, it's a dream trip for me. I was thinking about maybe going once I graduate. It's even better that it's where the deer is from, I'll have to take some plushies or something.
>>3998174Certainly be worth the trip
Excuse me but what is this monstrosity.
>>3998176I’m guessing some transformation or something that’s gonna happen later in the season. Looks crappy
>>3998177It's supposed to be his demon form, but why is he that colour? So weird...
>>3998173He probably was very familiar with the Gulf, might have even ventured west once or twice...>>3998174Coming from Europe I'd suggest taking at least two weeks travel tine since it's quite a journey. The only issue is that New Orleans isn't that big, at least compared to say, London, ha. You can see most everything within a week. A lot of people turn it into a road trip (very American) and see other parts of the Gulf. My personal suggestions would be:>Slidell and Mandeville, LaLots of beautiful bayous across the causeway.>Lifitte, LaSouth of NOLA, pretty views of the bayou. My family does a lot of fishing here.>Gulfport & Biloxi, MsA great place if you're into gambling and riverboats lol.>Mobile, AlThe birthplace of Mardi Gras and gumbo.>Pensacola, FlGood to see air shows, lots of British expats around here.>Panama City, FlSome of the world's whitest beaches, great food & nightlife.>Tallahassee, FlOld Spanish influences, college town with lots of museums and hipster joints.>Thomasville, GaOld plantation belt leading up into the Ga red hills. Many are open to the public, lots of historic houses and open pine savanna. There are other major cities like Hattiesburg, Ms, Dothan, Al and Albany, Ga, but unless you have business there there's not much going on, especially with the latter where murder rates are stupidly high lol.
>>3998176That color way is hideous.
>>3998185Thanks for the recommendations! My parents have been to the area a few times and basically did that. Idk how I feel about driving on the wrong side of the road though, lel.>murder ratesOh that would be kind of funny, the authentic Alastor experience.
Viv on the moustache.
>>3998189The good news is that the roads are wide and mostly open, easier to drive than in the UK. Definitely want to avoid I-10. It's a little discombobulating at first, but you get the hang of it quickly. It's really the only way to get around, since public transportation is non existent. The road network has lots of beautiful byways though! And yeah, for some reason decapitation is a favorite around that area... >>3998190>no sympathy for those who prefer itCan you be any more obtuse you salty bitch? People liked your design and the leaks were near unavoidable.
>>3998195I like my shitty little roads in my shitty little car though, everything in America is too big. I've also never driven an automatic before.Me getting murdered:>"Sorry, before you start beheading me, could you maybe do a transatlantic accent? And stick a little jazz on... thanks. I hope you're cannibals btw, I don't mind if you want to use my remains to summon a demon."She's talking like everyone is saying the moustache was better and shitting on the design she went with. No one cares about it that much, she could have said all that without making a dig at everyone who has seen the leaks. A lot of people saw the leaks on tiktok without even searching for them. This bitch will never learn.
>>3998190>>3998195Vivze SHIT
>>3998197There is truly nothing like an English country road with a 60mph speed limit. My heart rate spikes every time. Most rental companies have manuals, but semiautomatic is probably better, that way you don't have to focus on the clutch, but there's still the familiarity of shifting. Unfortunately the decapitator in question would most likely be Floridaman, not as sexy as one would hope... :|The mustache wasn't a dealbreaker for most of us. You had to basically quit social media to avoid Alastor's leaked design. Viv never learns, and I'm beginning to think that she has a pretty strong distaste for deer yumes.
>>3998203I mean, that's the speed limit, but there are no police so... In that case I politely decline to be murdered. At least put on the wig, make it worth my while.Alastor probably shaved at some point in his life, I had it in my head that the original design was just Alastor when he was younger, just with darker skin, since he looks way more youthful without it. Viv is just so petty over everything, she should get herself some therapy with all those amazonbux.
>>3998205Viv needs to log off altogether. It's one thing to get into internet slapfights and look like a 'tard anonymously (we've all been there), it's another to do so with your name attached. And such a silly thing to be upset over, like the man can't grow it out in fan art? Lmao.
>>3998211There are people drawing him in much worse ways than giving him a moustache. It really feels like she doesn't want anyone to enjoy anything that isn't exactly the way she wants it to be. She doesn't have to like everything but Jesus Christ just hide it instead of shitting all over it, knowing that your 15 year old fans will immediately go attack people who do like it.
>>3998211They need to lock Vivze up in a cell and not let her out till she rewrites season 1 and 2 to be better
>>3998214Make that season 1-4 since she already has them written.
>>3998213You know, it's kind of interesting that she isn't attacking people who are making him a literal racist caricature. Funny that. I really hope they don't start attacking artists who have drawn him with the mustache. If any of my faves get attacked I might lose my shit.>>3998214She'd be in there forever.
>>3998190>That last sentence Jesus Christ she needs to learn a bit of tact. She's a public figure. I get it's frustrating for that to have leaked but this childish snark attached to your official profiles is a bad look. No wonder she's seen as unlikable, it's easy to dunk on a person who acts like this. She turned 33 last week, what causes this? Moving to California?
>>3998216Since Viv said it's based on stolen art, I'm sure there will be a few retards who do. It's so stupid, I'm sure someone would have drawn him like that eventually anyway. And no, definitely can't attack people who race swap him, that would be racist. She made him too white, after all. >>3998217There's got to be a few executives at Amazon who dread her name coming up at this point.
>>3998221People have attacked Mapline for drawing human Al before I know, thankfully she just hides everything and ignores retards, but other human Al artists might not be so strong. I hate Viv for how she sics her fans on artists. Truly shit behavior.
>>3998215True>>39982161000 eternities!>>3998223It’s very worrying too many artists chased off :(
>>3998223I can kind of see people being annoyed by her art, not everyone wants to be spoiled, and it did end up everywhere. No reason to go attacking her though, especially not now the episode is out. Viv's personal army is retarded, however.
>>3998245I can't really blame her personally, since you'd have to be seeking out human Alastor art for it to crop up, and people were reposting it like crazy. Even if you use spoiler tags the people who repost your art probably won't.
Speaking of art reposts, I'll never forget finding my tard scribbles on Alastor Pinterest boards alongside Mapline, RavenousScorpion, and LadyGValentine. Talk about shock. It must have been farmed from my Pixiv. It's a shame I had to nuke it, but since I'm doing other things with art I can't really post stuff associated with /hhg/ anymore. :|
>>3998251Aw, it makes sense but it’s good having an archive of everything
>>3998247Oh absolutely. But if you're drawing leaks, there's always a chance it's going to be reposted and make someone angry, no matter what you do.>>3998251Makes sense, it's definitely better to keep things separate.
>>3998254>>3998255It really sucks because there's things I'd love to share, but I can't really repost stuff from elsewhere if I do end up monetizing my work. Last thing I need is some autist showing up at a con and squawking at me about Nazis and pedos lol.
>>3998257they probably wouldn't but you never know with autists these days
>>3998272True.
Finished this sketch.
>>3998283CUTE, CUTE!
>>3998284Who knew the fawn would grow up to be such a naughty buck?
>>3998285A bit too naughty but still, silly deer
>>3998283Even cuter in colour. Protect him.
>>3998288We all have our moments.>>3998289With my life. <3
>>3998292his boots are just too gosh darn big
>>3998293Lil guy needs to go shopping.
Hnnnngg
>>3998297He will go shopping for his mother first>he got that internship at the local radio broadcaster!
Anons are you sill holding onto your deer?
>>3998303I'm not letting him go until his chest wound is healed, at least.
>>3998305Don’t squeeze too tight, might break the stitches
>>3998306>my fetishI mean, uh, of course not... poor baby.
>>3998302Proud of him!>>3998303All night every night. He is so precious.
>>3998310Lovely and comfortable
Has anyone tried lucid dreaming
>>3998322A bit, I've had various levels of luck.
>>3998322No but I have dreamt of deer
Just a heads up, I'm going to bed soon, so in the unlikely event we hit bump overnight I will bake first thing in the morning.
>>3998331All good, get some rest!
This is embarrassing. And this is why the writing refuses to improve.https://x.com/vivziereceipts/status/1987303867458207975?t=fQcjqldm3Ls7CtoB6tsPyg&s=19
>>3998362I noticed that. I'm honestly starting to hope that the show dips in popularity. Viv gets away with far too much and I feel like her shenanigans are making the fandom insufferable. I'm at the point where I hide over half of /hhg/ and I won't even venture to discussion subs on Reddit or fandom spaces on Twitter. It's difficult to find new art this way since I'm relying on Pinterest and Tumblr.
>>3998368Her success has gotten to her head. I think that's the problem, her mindset is>I'm so popular and how can my show be bad if I have so many fans?The problem is she's burning through good will.
She really, really is. Alastor is the most recognizable character in either show with Charlie a close second. I'm not sure how turning your flagship character into 'Alastor the raped' is necessarily going to help your fandom or its perception. And I say this with no shade to people into RS, a Radiosilence plot could have easily been done without...that. I have no problem with people being into rape as a kink within the realms of fiction, but it really needed to stay to AO3 and not in the main show. Now we have a very vocal minority who are not only making tons of art and fanfiction of rape, but also defending it narratively, even when it has significant racist and acephobic undertones. To the outside world this looks bad. Really bad. If I were trying to get into Hazbin and watched episode 4 with no context and then read the discussion surrounding it I would legitimately drop the show. Viv is too gooner brained to realize that not everyone is into what she and Smiles and the others are into. Her being snarky towards fans of Alastor is also an issue. She's to the point where she thinks that her actions don't really have consequences, and I'm beginning to hope she gets a wake up call soon.
>>3998372I respect how invested you are in this, Millie, we get attached to fictional characters because of our life experience and traumas, sometimes it means much more to us than it does to the creator who owns the character. But I’d imagine there are more people that treat this show as goon material and don’t relate to it on a level so deep and personal as yours. You’re making a mistake here calling Radiostatics a minority, when people like you are the real minority. You’re projecting on others too much when you speculate on what would you do if you were new to the fandom, as if it matters. You’re still right about Vivziepop though, she is a shit stirring narcissist and I find it endearing. I’m curious for how long she can continue until she faces any sort of significant backlash.
>>3998382I'm not stating that Radiostatics are a minority, I'm stating that rape fetishists are a minority, just like necrophiles or shotacons are a minority. Viv wants Hazbin to be a successful show past people like us who get off to weird stuff, and that's going to be a turn off to anyone who isn't terminally online. Nobody wants their successful IP to be known as the gooner show, because that is less likely to attract new viewers and makes parents hesitant to let their teenagers watch the show. The discussion around the SA has been a very bad look, let's be honest.
>>3998372This whole thing has been so conflicting for me. I'm having a hard time reconciling my feelings, between my love for Al, my own experiences, and the fact that I really do love dark radiostatic fan content. I think the fact that it's basically fanfiction tier writing doesn't help. Viv and Smiles were probably not the right people to write this. The entire plot feels like it was engineered to put Alastor in that position. It's something I've felt about how Charlie is written this season specifically, her trauma doesn't feel authentic, it feels like she's being forced to make bad decisions just to advance the plot while everyone else is passive around her. It feels like a sitcom, where every plot point only happens because of a misunderstanding and everything just spirals. If it was a fanfiction, this episode would be the set up for Alastor's love interest to come and save him, and I think that's why so many people are naturally wanting Lucifer or Charlie to go and save him next episode. We've all read that story before. That's what happens next. Unfortunately hurt/comfort doesn't really work well in original media. I do think the vocal minority will calm down eventually. Even as an enjoyer of radiostatic, it gets old pretty fast because a lot of it is quite samey. Anyway I opened up twitter this morning and one of the first things I saw was that Alastor deserved it because he's a murderer, so I'm going to give that a few days.
>>3998386I don't think any of these topics should be considered off limits to storytellers, but they need to be handled in certain ways, and Viv's handling has been abysmal. She caught flak during S1 for her portrayal of SA as both a 'serious topic' and as a joke, and a good many people pointed out that Angel's SA was uncomfortably fetishistic, but hey, at least there was a warning before hand. If Viv came out and just admitted that Hazbin was some sort of self indulgent fujo fetish material I would respect her for admitting it and quietly drop the show. But she wants to be taken seriously as a creator, so she hypes up storytelling only to gaslight people after the fact when she drops fanfiction level slop on our plates. It's alienating to people who just want to watch a decent show and save their shipping/fetish material for their online fandom spaces. I myself would be super uncomfortable if she incorporated some of my kinks into the story, for example. And again, it's not that these topics in there, but the point that it's incredibly fetishized. If Viv can't separate her kinks from her ability to write serious materials, then she should pass it to someone who can. God knows I'll never try to write a serious story about minor/adult relationships because I know I can't look at it objectively. It hurts her other characters like Charlie, who I used to enjoy, because as you say, they're just vehicles to get to more fujo content.And...yeah. I'm still getting a lot of nasty stuff too. I'll be avoiding socials for a while I fear.
>>3998383Fair, I don’t read westerners on Twitter and their opinions, like at all, that’s probably why it didn’t occur to me that rape is that obscure of a fetish. Well, since Viv obviously can’t help her gooner self, she will lose all respect among woketards and normies eventually, I don’t mind if she does.
>>3998386>>3998391Social media have been very very annoying the last few days. Also good morning!
>>3998392I think it's safe to say that rape is an obscure fetish, probably on par with guro. And I say this as someone who's collected doujin for 20 years. I think we have a tendency to get in echo chambers where things are very normalized and we fail to remember that most normies are painfully vanilla, woke or not. In the circles I run in you'd think that wound fucking was the most normal thing in the world lol. To the average normie '50 Shades' is extreme. And Viv has to cater to these folks if she wants her show to continue being as successful as it has been.
>>3998393Morning Nuggs!
>>3998394All Viv had to do was write a good show…>>3998395Good morning Millie!
>>3998393Morning! I've mainly been grabbing fanart and being jealous of Japanese fans buying cute merch. Shame some people are psychos.>>3998391It's more the way that it's so obviously portrayed as the writer's poorly disguised fetish. The characters should do awful things to each other, it's not a stretch to say Vox would do those things to Alastor. The more I watch the more obvious it is that Viv needs someone to say no to her and her mates. She always comes across as really thin skinned, I think she's too deep in her own echo chamber to really think she's doing anything wrong. I'm interested to see how the rest of the season will go after this.>>3998392It sort of is and isn't. It's very common in fics, but I think there's a difference between people who like the hurt/comfort aspect of it, and those who like the violent, degradation side of it.
>>3998397The japs are very lucky, a lot of good fan work and goodies, also good morning!
>>3998396>All Viv had to do was write a good show…Viv challenge level: Impossible >>3998397Yep. I'm waffling on here, but it really just comes down to how it's portrayed. I think most of us are in agreement that it's meant to be titillating, and there will be pushback for that narrative choice.>there's a difference between people who like the hurt/comfort aspect of it, and those who like the violent, degradation side of it.This. When I say 'rape' in this context I'm not talking about hurt/comfort, or 'the big scary rapist took me and now he's my lover' sort of consensual noncon stuff that gets thrown around a lot, I mean graphic, violent SA, which in seeing a lot more of suddenly. I think most people are going to find the latter off putting.
Going to bake. Give me just a minute.
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