Post wasted potential
>The writers, Steve Gerber and Mary Skrenes said they had ideas for 100 issues>Cancelled after issue 9>One of the writers, Steve Gerber, is also writing The Defenders at the time, and promises to wrap up the story of Omega in Defenders>Gerber leaves Defenders before he can get to Omega>The next Defenders writer provides closure by just killing off the cast of Omega>Omega the Unknown is revived in the 2007 by an indie creative team>Steve Gerber is still alive at that point, still writing comics>Gerber is disappointed that Marvel never approached him to tell the Omega stories he always wanted to>Gerber dies in 2008
>>143330192It's kinda amazing how quickly they ruined a character with so much potential, and that they DOUBLED DOWN on it.Reminds me how DC made Bart Allen the Flash, realized that it was a bad idea, killed him, and later brought him back with his younger age.Except DC sadly hasn't done that with Jon, and it looks like they never will.
>>143330312>Everything in comics is cyclicalReally wish someone would kill Jon, but I've already lost hope at this point.
Remind me, was the rationale for aging up Jon so that he could star in Bendis' take on the Legion? Was it all Bendis' idea or was he just enacting a mandate handed to him by corporate?
Both of them and I actually used to hate them before an anon opened my eyes to America’s potential. Started reading Gwen soon after
>>143330351Part of it was that Bendis didn't want to write a kid, and he also wanted to write his own new take on the Legion, so Jon was aged up so Bendis could mold him into his OC.But also, Dan DiDio allegedly didn't like Tomasi's Super-Family so he was fine with effectively taking Jon out of Clark's life, and also, he was also planning this whole 5G thing, and an older Jon was meant to be the Superman of that setting, so it all kinda fit together.
>>143330232okay that's sad for realHow did the indie comic go?
>>143330373As I recall it was well-received, I never did read it. I was too attached to the original version to give the revival a chance.
>>143330351>enacting a mandate handed to him by corporate?If this was the case, then Bendis didn't show it, he was excited to introduce the new Jon, and don't forget DC gave him a hefty paycheck, lots of advertising, and a lot of freedom to do whatever he wanted, like rebooting the Legion and derailing Johns' plans to actually bring them back.
>>143330232If we’re talking botched Steve Gerber characters, how about Howard the Duck? Howard the Duck was a huge hit for Marvel, and one of their most unique characters. He was a funny animal who talked like Hunter S. Thompson, basically. It was a very absurd and sarcastic and witty comic. Thousands of people allegedly voted for Howard the Duck in the 1976 US Presidential election.Howard the Duck got his own newspaper comic strip, putting him into a category with only Spider-Man and the Hulk at the time. This was why the Howard the Duck movie got made. It was the first Marvel movie. That’s how big Howard was. Of course, all anybody remembers about the Howard the Duck movie is how awful it was.
>>143330478The movie is basically a meteoric impact in terms of how it reshaped popular perception of Howard.
Remember what they stole from us
>>143330619Clark and Bruce should really go see a doctor about their wollen lymph nodes
>>143330192I wanted him to stay a kid for a bit longer. The Damian/Jon duo was squandered.
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Super sons could be doing shonen numbers if it was given the same amount of shilling Bendis got.
>>143330192>Post wasted potentialYou.
>>143330352What potential
>>143332578This. It’s shocking they haven’t just brought it back even to do one of those manga series
>>143330192Didio and Bendis ruined a good thing.
>>143330390the Omega the Unknown books were all story-timed here a couple of years I think whenever that DarkHold event ended since he randomly showed up in that for no reason2007 run was good I thought
>>143332578Absolutely delusional. It may have had potential to do fairly decent as far as western comics go but there is no way in hell it would have ever come close to achieving shounen numbers.
>>143330192remember what they never gave you
>>143336060It’s the only American comic that had any chance.
>>143336130
>>143330192she didn't have a good start but if she wasn't written by brain dead mental house rejects she could've been at least a b lister
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>>143336060He's exaggerating, but I can see why he thinks so.It fits the Shounen demographic, and could have bagged a few converts, but there would need to be serious upheaval for capeshit to start doing current day manga numbers.But it COULD have been the next Geoff Johns GL run. A book that would have done alright normally getting the right team at the right time and becoming a temporary pillar for the entire company.
>>143335418And Taylor
>>143330478>all anybody remembers about the Howard the Duck movie is how awful it wasHey, I also remember how fucking hot Lea Thompson was in it.
>>143332578Absolutely correct
could you imagine instead of spending all that money to shill bedis and taylor they instead used that to make a supersons anime, one animated by studio mappa
>>143332578i think it's odd they cancelled one of the few books to actually increase in sales as it went
>>143330352>>143333594Seconded. What fucking potential? All she has ever been shown as is the space lesbian latinx.
>>143336411Even if Jon and Tim were turned gay, I'm glad Kon and Damian were spared.
It's been years and I still can't understand why they did Supersons dirty like that. Were Bendis and Taylor jealous? Is DC still ran by the same idiots that think comics are SIRIUS BISNIS!™ and refused to learn what happened the first time they aged up a kid character?
>>143339132I think it's safe to say that Taylor is a subversive element, but Bendis's mindset is just so foreign to me I can't parse him at all.
>>143339132it's really as silly and petty as you would imagine. Bendis didn't want to write a kid character and wanted to make his own legion. The editors were too chickenshit to stop him. The rest is historyTaylor does everything for virtue signaling twitter likes so he double downed on the age up and made him gay...erm bi to be progressive. Then he wrote a boring slog. Really should tell you about the state of the company
>>143339220>>143339283I just can't. I just fucking can't. How is it possible that damn near your entire readerbase agrees that aging up Jon was a terrible decision not only keep going with it, but double down and make him gay. It's the perfect blend of delusion, stupidity, and maliciousness.
>>143339220>>143339283it's crazy how so many other writers are constantly screwed over by their higher-ups but it feels like Benis just has free reign for all his stupid decisions
Fun Fact: Tomasi is over being polite/nice with Bendis. Bendis completely trashed Peter in an interview, so now it's full on fuck you towards him.Tomasi is a nice guy when I met him, wanted to buy him a beer.
>>143339793>The Devil shivers when a nice guy comic book writer loses his temper
>>143332578Supersonfags are absolutely out of their minds
>>143339793What did Bendis say?
>>143339953Didn't read the article in question but basically from what I was told Bendis was talking trash about original Jon and "improved" the concept, essentially pissing off Tomasi. Also DC is fully aware they fucked up with Bendis, they just won't backpedal it because it looks bad on clickbait sites
In another universe DC farmed out the rights to Jon and Damian to a random Japanese creator and Super Sons is currently the worlds best selling Manga
>>143338992In an alternate universe its the other way around; how bad is the damage?
>>143330478I dunno why they don't make a new Howard the Duck movie to prove that they're back.But I don't trust current MCU to do it right. If they had done it before Endgame, it could have been a classic.
>>143337304What are you talking about? Her first two series are modern classics. It's the current stuff that sucks.
>>143339793You can't just say that without posting a link to said interview.
>>143340351yeahif anything the glaring fall was exactly the moment they shoved her into civil war 2.
>>143330192this was mindblowingly stupid
>>143340361Can’t, only from personal experience meeting the guy
>>143336130What we wanted:Clark raising Kara and Conner as his kids alongside straight kid JonWhat we got:Clark raising gay adult Jon (despite there literally already being a young adult Superboy) and two shitty orphans absolutely no one asked for
>>143340283Probably worse, mainly because of gay Damian.
>>143340351Only shills think this. nothing GWW has ever written is good.
>>143340737damian is annoying regardless
>>143339793If I ever meet tomasi I’d unironically ask to hug him and thank him profusely for his Superman and super sons runs. I was going through some awful, terrible times and he kept me from going dark places with those comics. Truly gave me something to look forward to every few weeks. I will never forgive Bendis or Taylor for what they did. Fuck those two. And I’m extremely happy that aside for Ronin 2 Didio’s venture with Frank seems to be a failure. He allowed Jon to be destroyed.
>>143341369Yeah I met him twice, told him his work was appreciated, and we talked for a bit about how Jon was mishandled with DC unable to backtrack
>>143341343He's actually one of the few modern teen characters who hasn't been turned into a gay. Big 2 writers seem to think the next generation are going to be majority-gay, and it's one of the few things you can do to a comic character that's permanent and you can't back out of.
>>143341906i don't care though, he still sucks
>>143341906>it's one of the few things you can do to a comic character that's permanent and you can't back out of.It's essentially character assassination atp.
>>143341906just a matter of time before he's it with the alphabet nonsense
>>143341906>He's actually one of the few modern teen characters who hasn't been turned into a gayInsane levels of hyperbole.
>>143336411>Fujo.pdf file
>>143338856I remember the Anon talked about how focusing on her being an alien drifting between universes in the cosmos was the most interesting part of her and how she’s effectively been living in her own since she was 8 as well as the culture shock of going from a one sex race to a two sex planet Also something about how her tough stronk woman thing could all be a facade to hide the fact that she’s terrified of the multiverse and the infinite horrors within
>>143344816Okay, that sounds interesting. I think Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness somewhat touched on that angle with America.
>>143345315Yeah it was good but didn’t fit the full potential. Personally I think the best story to give her would be a Road to El Dorado plot where she tries to present herself as a Superman figure to a low power world only for the facade to slowly crumble
>>143330192OP
>>143330192ngl stephanie brown's tenure as batgirl in the late-aughts is definitely something that didn't deserve to be cut short
>>143345571If you ask me, she shouldn't have been Batgirl in the first place, she was fine as Spoiler, her own unique identity, and they had throw Cass under the bus for it to happen.The only reason Batgirl was an upgrade is because Batgirl is a more popular name than Spoiler, which is superficial as hell.
>>143341906It has to be kind of narcotic to be able to nuke a character forever while editors can't do shit when they wouldn't allow you to decide if he likes steak medium or rare normally
>>143346071I... what?
>ITT: Retarded supersons fags
>>143330366>he was also planning this whole 5G thingIs 5G that future state thing or is that something different?I haven't really been keeping up with big two comics for a while but from the outside looking in it kinda seems like DC has gotten into the habit of setting up these big crossover events and new status quos before backing out at the last minute leaving a bunch of unresolved plots and extraneous new characters.
>>143337304Who is she?
>>143346270>Is 5G that future state thing or is that something different?Close, Future State was pretty much abridged leftovers of what 5G was originally going to be.There's a lot to explain about 5G, but long story short, after Death Metal, the DC Universe was supposed to be remade so that it had existed in real time, with a new set timeline of events and 5 specific eras or "Generations", hence 5G, which would the fifth, newest, and current generation.A lot of older heroes were meant to die, retire, or take on new roles to make way for the new generation of heroes, you can see a lot of this in Future State.A lot of people didn't like this idea, and it ended up with Dan DiDio leaving DC, so 5G got canceled and its remains retooled into Future State and a handful of storylines for Infinite Frontier, obviously changed to fit better since they weren't part of the drastically different status quo of 5G anymore.Pic related is another 5G thing that got canceled, it got retooled into Generations Shattered and Forged.
>>143330232>Cancelled after issue 9what happened low sales?
>>143346270>leaving a bunch of unresolved plots and extraneous new characters.Pretty much, Infinite Frontier got a lot of stories obviously meant for 5G and they weren't even subtle about it.That's also why we now got multiple Batmen, Supermen, and Aquamen, DC is still trying to make some of these guys a thing, while I wish they'd at least get their own unique identities rather than latching onto already popular and well-known ones, even though that's kinda the whole point of their existence.
>>143340809What did the nice lady do to you anon? Have you even read her books before I even attempt to approach this in good faith
>>143340809What would people even be shilling if everyone agrees she's bad now?
>>143346333read the file name
They have to know that they lost something since they keep making mini series and adding them to reprints of the omnibus.
>>143341760>with DC unable to backtrackAbsolute horse shit. They could easily bring back kid Jon from space, say teen Jon is a different character from an Alt U and ship him off with the legion. He’s Jon-El, kid Jon is Jon Kent and everyone is happy because the only people who claim to like teen Jon don’t even pay for or read comics.
>>143347661Anon I think I’ve told you this before given your autistic rage: DC doesn’t want to deal with the bad press and clickbait “outrage” from a backpedal given how people are. Any course correct would be seen as “oh DC must hate gay/bisexuals” or some other nonsense. They opted to just move on unfortunately and begrudgingly admit it was a bad choice to begin with. Tomasi even went to them asking to flesh out what Bendis and Taylor did, and they said noSo yeah, go blame cancel culture and journalism
>>143330192chris kent
>>143347750Anon I think I’ve probably told this to you but only people actively trying to keep Jon a teenager out of spite are trying to convince DC of this. There would be zero outrage let alone negative sales impact. Teen Jon would very much still exist, just like the entire LOSH does. Meanwhile people who actually pay for and read comics would have kid Jon, super sons, Superman and action comics all back on their pull.So, I repeat, only you paid employees who refuse to allow Jon to fixed say this. Whether your Paul kaminski, a paid poster working for Tom Taylor’s literary agent/agency, some DC a intern… I don’t care. You don’t actually believe this because it simply isn’t true. Even most of the gay people love straight kid Jon. Nobody wanted him aged up and with straight kid Jon and gay teen Jon they get their cake and to eat it too. It is NO different than the chocolate/strawberry Wally situation. >So yeah, go blame cancel culture and journalismWhy would I do that when the real blame belongs on the shoulders of bad actors like you invoking such a bogeyman as some form of threat?
>>143339283what is Bendis up to these days now that hes been kicked out of both the big 2?im guessing his indie comics dont have much pull with his name these days
>>143347807Anon I’m trying to figure out if this a bit or legit schizo behavior. I’m literally giving you the reason straight from the horses mouth himself, the guy who wants it undone as much as anyone else. There’s no shilling, no conspiracy, just business and editorial choosing not to put up with the fallout of autism from course correcting. You’re a fan, and your perspective is not only limited but flawed. I want young Jon back, Tomasi wants him back, he’ll editorial wants him back too because he sells (proven by the reprinted omnis of the run). Doesn’t change the fact that they made a bad call when Bendis & Taylor, and are stuck with the consequences. You’re only saying it’s an easy call because you want him back and don’t care about everything else needed to get to that point
>>143347931hopefully killing himself since he's tormented comics for decades
>>143330192Botched?
>>143349095Yes
>>143333594This potential.
>>143347931Left Twitter for Bluesky and founded an imprint called Jinxworld. Not sure what comic he is actually working on right now.
>>143339793I remember meeting Tomasi at a con and saying that I wish he was still on Superman at the time (this is during the Brndis run). And he looked at me with such somberness and said "Me too..."
>>143347989>I’m literally giving you the reason straight from the horses mouth himself, the guy who wants it undone as much as anyone else. There’s no shilling, no conspiracy, just business and editorial choosing not to put up with the fallout of autism from course correcting. You’re a fan, and your perspective is not only limited but flawed.And I’m literally telling you why the horse who’s mouth it came from is simply accepting things with a defeatist attitude. There would be no backlash. That is fact. Like you can set your watch by Old Faithful, like you can guarantee the sun will rise, like we all know pigs don’t fly, there would be no backlash if they brought back straight kid Jon and kept teen Jon as Jon-El to pal around with Mon-El and the Legion.
>>143340050Do you have the article or do I just have to go by what you thought you were told for drama?
>>143349603Carlos makes porn of her on his website. Based.
>>143330373Sage took this character's potential and ran with it.
>>143350608Exactly. NOBODY likes Jon as he is currently. not even the gays or fujos like him, because his boyfriend is fucking lame(and the fujos wanted him with Damian anyways).
