My problem with Miles having all these powers is that there's no coherent theme. It's fine for Storm to have so many powers because her theme is "bad weather", but why does a Spider-Man has electrokinesis and invisibility?
ask Bendis
>>144295262Miguel O'Hara continues to be the best Latino alt-powered Spider-Man and nothing they do to Miles can change that.
>>144295262>there's no coherent themethe theme is mary sue, he has the power of having all the powers.
>>144295374You say that now but wait until you see how cool he is when he gets 3 or 4 more random powers. The more superpowers you have, the better a character you are.
>>144295374That's cause his powers are different from Peter's, he don't got Spidey sense, but has fangs, claws, and naturally occuring spinnerets and venom. He also similar but different to Peter by specializing in genetics. Miles has everything Peter has, plus electonigga powers, so he comes off a sueish
Because its cool
>>144295262Because Step #2 of pushing a new flavor of the month is ensuring that he is more powerful than YOUR favorite hero.
>>144295262No one cared when Wally West did it
>>144295262Miles should become the new Prowler, all these extra powers are barely spider related anyway.
>>144295486
>>144295629No. Aaron should fuck off and Hobie should go back to being the Prowler
>>144295262You forgot that he has>X-ray vision>Immortality>Vampire powers now
>>144295262He's as much as Spiderman as DeadpoolActually no, Deadpool is closer than fucking Mile
>>144295262Yes it's shitty.Miles got so many additional powers that writers can't even know what he owns and what he doesn't own.It shows how insecure Marvel is whith this character, he was created to be so popular and powerful that they can't stop give him additional gimmicks.
>>144295262I think the Sword would have made more sense if it was an evolution of the Venom Webs he made for like 2 issues before Bendis peaced outAnd if he focused more on using the webbing than the sword
>>144295262>because her theme is "bad weather", but why does a Spider-Man has electrokinesis and invisibility?Because they think more is more. I remember an interview from the guy that wrote the sword that he wanted to make a shonen Spider-man. However, since when he think "Shonen", he probably thinks "DBZ", you get a Spider-man that has a super sayan mode.
>>144295627Barry was dead when Wally West did it.Only disingenuous non-fan culture war retards cared when Bendis made Miles, the Ultimate Universe had been garbage since Ultimatum. People care now because Miles is in the main universe and constantly being compared to Peter Parker.
>>144295262So like Superman?
>>144295262It's because he's the protagonist, he's always going to win. Twice a year Peter gets a new suit that allows him to defeat the villains of the story, that's how they power him up by making him a poor man's Iron Man, with Miles they've chosen genetics and 60 years of X-Men have already told us genetics can do anything It's like asking why Superman can freeze things with his breath
>>144295262I'll tell you why. I was playing SM on PS with my son and he says, I want to be the new SM, he's got better powers. Fuck my life.
>>144295627I must have missed the issue where Wally made a sword out of water or something else completely unrelated to his theme
>>144295827My man is leveling up.This is how a comic protagonist should be. More like a shonēn protagonist.I’m sick of old style boomer superheroes never increasing their power.
>>144297271Pfff.
>>144295262because they're desperately throwing shit at the wall, praying that one of the powerups will make miles "cool"
>>144296652Exactly like Superman. Why are modern writers acting like hacks from 70 years ago?
>>144297271>virgin new powers on plot demand vs chad new applications of existing powers
>>144295482Miguel's so cool that writers give some of his attributes to Peter because it just works better.
>>144296008Funny how Jess officially lost her bio electricity shtick to Miles and only known as Spider pregnant now
>>144297271Miles sucks though.
>>144295827In complete seriousness the whole Vampire thing is an unironic step in the right direction if only because it's a sizable overhaul with a new costume and an actual fucking name of his own as "Bloodspider" or whatever they called it.I'd be onboard with "Spider-guy but a vampire" so long as that's just where he fucking stays if only because the further we diverge Miles from being straight up Peter but shit and wanked, the better.
>>144295714>>Bigger Batman
>>144297528RicherBigger dickYoungerBetter lookingMore popularSmarter
>>144296652Superman's theme is "better than you" so, like Storm, it's fine for him to have so many powers.
>>144295262You dumb fuckers complain when Miles is just like Peter. Now you complain when he’s different than Peter.You all have problems.
>>144297237>issue where Wally made a swordSwords are Barry thing actually
>>144295486It's lame
>>144297271I agree with this 100 percent. One of the best things manga have over comics is that the protagonists get permanent power upgrades. How many comic hero actually get to develop their powers or learn a new technique, or get a new gadget that stays part of repertoire? Imagine if Goku never learned anything past kaioken.
>>144297829Just give up on calling him "Spider-Man", rename him Blacula 2: Electric Boogaloo" and the problem's solved.
>>144297528For you
>>144297852Everybody clowned on this.
>>144297852I haven't met a single person who didn't think this was retarded
>>144295262He should become a speedster next.
>>144297852I miss the days of watching people dunk on Eric Wallace's Flash.There are a lot of shitty shows, but none are as fun to watch getting torn to shreds.
>>144295262he has spider powers because he's a spiderman knockoff. He has electric powers because he's black. it's actually that simple.
>>144295262Because in the lab there was more than one genetic spider, I got hit with a different type than Peter's
>>144295262I've thought about this, but electric powers have more room for growth.The application of electricity generation, projection and manipulation is endless.They tried giving Peter new powers but "Spider" powers are too specific to stick.He's grown extra limbs, fangs, and stingers (spiders don't have stingers).The only evolution that works is organic webs and they removed that ability.
The powers are a bit wanky but they're not really the problem. The problem is how parasitic the relationship between between Miles and the other Spider-people and Peter is. Peter is constantly brought low to prop up all these characters who would be nowhere without him and STILL don't have stories as good as he has had. That plus the fact that Marvel editorial is just doubling down on making Peter a manchild means that attitudes are unlikely to change.
>>144298775>The only evolution that works is organic webs and they removed that ability.Good
>>144295262Electricity and venom have as much relation to spider as spider sense and spider bite implanting how to make webbing. Then there are the what ifs like Peter can predict the future if he trains his sense enough
>>144298795Hey, I like web shooters more cool but organic webs make sense as an upgrade.Though narratively/mechanically it wouldn't change much in a story/game.
>>144297271Bruh, most cape characters get hit with power creep over time
>>144298838You know? That's fair, anon!
I would have cared more about Miles if they had stuck to something like him fighting early versions of the first few foes Spider-Man fought, like Kangaaroo
>>144295262Miles should be Electro or Shocker's kid. Then it would be fine.
>>144298777The Stagnation and manchilding of Peter is from the editors ever since Quesada’s reign.Stop blaming Miles.
>>144297528MY Batman
>>144295262I hope Miles ends up being the Spider-God or some retarded shit
>>144295262Considering penny got basically zero powers from her spider bite other than super limited telepathy with a spider, it's a rng or dependant on the base person
>>144298304Anon you're being fooled by a carrot on a stick, what's the point of "permanent power upgrades" when every single new fight is always settled by starting out with a fist fight that escalates into a new powerup (hair recolor), how many times can you fall for the same trick? It's like level scaling in video games, you supposedly "level up" but so does everyone else and you never feel like you actually progressed from where you began.
>>144295482>Miles has everything Peter has, plus electonigga powersWhat is it with blacks and electro powers?
>>144298304In comics it's the reverse: established protags get hit with nerfs to make new slop characters look good.
>>144297528*N
>>144296696But what does electric powers have to do with spiders?
>>144297829Miles is unironically more privileged than Peter.
>>144298830This is why organic webs are better as it's an actual spider power. Plus, the spider sense can be traded for a 360-sense similar to Toph and Daredevil's ability but stronger.
>>144300472What a disingenuous homosexual you are, there's no point of comparison. Even the sloppiest shonen fights and even Dragon Ball at its lowest had combat with choreography, strategy, improvisation and high-stakes risk-taking. Western comic slop has two guys throwing punches in static photoshoot poses with not even a couple lines to indicate movement let alone a feel of weight or impact and it goes on and on until one falls down.
>>144300675Fooled by a carrot on a stick yet again, action on its own is pointless and boring, action's only worthwhile purpose is conveying the strategy, plans, and the outsmarting of the characters in a visual way. You have to be literally 12 years old to find two guys exchanging blows for 10 episodes with no consequences interesting, when you watch a real fight or play a fighting game you do it with the knowledge that every successful blow means victory is closer to one of the fighters, in shonen it's empty filler since a character can take ten thousand punches and still be as vigorous as ever, victory only comes when the writer decides to give the winning character their asspull powerup, that could've easily happened right at the start of the fight and resolved it instantly. Both good comics and good manga are about strategy rather than action, something like HxH spends more time outlining the characters' thoughts in the fight rather than showing action, and fights are resolved in a way that makes logical sense given the established rules. Miles is a boring character because his fights are resolved when the writer decides to give him his latest asspull, rather than being satisfying and obvious outcomes of the physical conflicts presented as puzzles.
>>144295262I've resigned to the fact that maybe the ultimate spiders that bit Miles and Peter were supercharged. Peter revived from the dead. I'm sure if he was around he'd probably get gimmicks like Miles too.
>>144295482He does have spider sense. He even mediated for two days after a panic attack and can sense out entire rooms and spirits by this point.
I do like Miles's villain cast though
>>144295714that analogy completely failsbatmans is a singular character, astartes are just a generation of anonymous super soldiers made with available technology. If better technology makes a new generation of them with higher specs, it's just the war machine working as intended.
>>144301583All poached from Peter lel
Miles is the GOAT
>>144300530the Spider was genetically modified to have them.Why?Why does a scientist do anything? To see if he can.It's a comic book you just going to have accept the premise on face value
>>144302212Uncle Aaron616 MilesAssessor and QuantumRabbleAgent GaoHightailBumbler and VespaFrost PharaohYeah he leans a lot on Peter villains, but he's starting to build up his own little respectable groupBetter than most heroes introduced in the last 20 years
>>144298775Spider-Man has the perfect power set. It needs no adjustment
>>144302414You say respectable but none of them are good and three of those are comic relief villains
>>144302414Aaron is Ultimate Prowler. Still counts as Peter's hand me downs.
Miles Morales is literally the Kyle Rayner of Marvel>Replacement for a character gets shilled and wanked to be special after the original is gone or deadBut after they bringed his mentor or predecessor back they had no reason to be special anymore so tried to fill the emptyness of their characters with special powerups like "He can now manipulate elements with the strenght of mind" that doesn't stick or makes them more plot deviced power of the day than anything worthy of time.Like Kyle going from Ion, to White Lantern to Omega to fill the void of Hal getting the life he was supposed to have.In Miles case they have Peter telling him how he is a better Spider-man who matters for real and he gets a shit load of super powers of the day like electric constructs and some forgottable arcs like his own Clone Saga and a Multiverse Miles corps.
>>144300530>>144298775>>144302406Spider-Woman had the electric bite as well, Miles is more like a bastardized legacy of Peter and Jessica Drew
>>144295262You hate black people, we get it. Sheesh
>>144302414Thanks for the assist, anon>>144302468Keep moving that post>>144302672But original Prowler technically wasn't a villain
>>144303403What post? I just said that none of his villains are any good. Miles has villains now, yes. That's a good first step, albeit one that should have been achieved 10 years ago.Step two is to make good stories with them, something Miles has yet to do
>>144303434>I just said that none of his villains are any good.So you weren't the post earlier that said they were all poached from Peter? Because that other anon was kind enough to provide a list of original bad guys Miles now has on his roster. And really there's nothing wrong with them. The modern Miles crusade now just feels like /co/ is still pretending we're living in the Bendis era.
>>144303434>That's a good first step, albeit one that should have been achieved 10 years ago.>Step two is to make good stories with them, something Miles has yet to doHonestly he's still doing a lot better than his cohortKamala and Sam and Riri and Viv and Nadia all have less villains and the few they do are even worse than Miles
>>144303458>So you weren't the post earlier that said they were all poached from PeterNo>And really there's nothing wrong with themNone of them are memorable or interesting, and none have starred in any good stories. Few are outright bad which is something I guess>616 MilesSpider-Men II was garbage, and the only interesting part of his second story was the faint hope that Miles might get shipped back to 1610>AssessorHe feels like a plot device more than a character. He tortured Miles for an issue so people would have a point of suffering to point to and say "see! he doesn't have an easy life stop saying that he does!!!" even though said events have been completely forgotten about>RabbleAwful. Nonsensical motivation that just leads to her acting retarded non-stop>Agent GaoCorrupt retard cop. Nothing special, but nothing bad. Has the same issue as Rabble in that her motivation and methods are retarded.>HightailAgain nothing special, but not particularly bad. She exists.>Bumbler and Vespa>Frost PharaohThese are joke villains. They are used to fill in time before the real story happens. This puts them below even the likes of White Rabbit and The Grizzly, because even they got dedicated story arcs AND they were funnier.>The modern Miles crusade now just feels like /co/ is still pretending we're living in the Bendis era.Other than him having villains now what has actually changed? He does still crib Peter's villains though, we just got through Scorpion and Hobgoblin stuff, both of whom felt wildly out of character. The powers thing is worse now than it ever was under Bendis. They literally just had Miles shit on Peter for absolutely no reason other than to make Miles look good. They still write it so that almost everyone he meets loves himHe still hasn't had any good stories.
>>144303650>None of them are memorable or interestingThat's a matter of opinion though. I don't agree with the extra powers, but that's a different discussion entirely. Point is, things HAVE gotten better, whether you're willing to admit that or not.I don't have anything personal against you, but you really do come off like a stuck in the mud autist.
>>144303760>I don't agree with the extra powersHow? Ziglar is worse about it than Bendis ever was. Electric sword, X-Ray vision, and Super Saiyan form are worse than anything Bendis ever did with Miles powers-wise.>things HAVE gotten betterNot the point where things have become good though. Take dialog for example. Not being written by Bendis means the book doesn't suffer from Bendsspeak anymore, that's good. However, Ahmed and Ziglar don't know how to write teenagers and it really really shows. The dialog feels very "fellow kids" in a lot of places
>>144303888>How? Ziglar is worse about it than Bendis ever was. Electric sword, X-Ray vision, and Super Saiyan form are worse than anything Bendis ever did with Miles powers-wise.I think you misunderstand. I was agreeing with you. I don't agree with the extra powers Miles has been getting lately. Feels tacked on, and further straying from the spider thing. See? I'm not blindly liking everything.
>>144299822Miles isn't the source of the problem but he is a part of the problem; Peter is brought low to prop Miles up.
>>144303357I thought it was Luke Cage and Jessica Drew because Bendis has his fetish.
>>144304028Fair enough, I misunderstood your post and that's on me
>>144304071>Miles isn't the source of the problem but he is a part of the problemWrong, he is. His very creation had the empirically obvious objective of tearing down Peter to prop up some random nigger and replace him.
>>144304562The point is that Peter has been getting torn down for a while now even before Miles was created. The creation of Miles and how he is handled is just another problem added on top of an existing problem.
>>144297491There's already a Blood Spider, although he's an incredibly minor villain.
So what are Miles' powers now?>All of Peter's base abilities, including Spider Sense>Electricity>Invisibility>Electric sword>Light tendrilsAm I missing anything?
>OMD mean to keep Peter's status quo/reset Peter to pre-Marriage>Create and push Mile, as Peter replacement, ultimately push to change status quo
>>144305630>Light tendrilsHe doesn't use this one anymore And you forgot the big Venom Explosion power he has that works on people the Venom Blast doesn't
>>144305624Look it wouldn't be Miles if he wasn't stealing *something* okay.
>>144305630He has detective vision nowAnd he can go super saiyan
>>144307074Are they just hoping that if they give him enough powers, he'll surpass Peter in popularity?
>>144305630he can also fly long distances using his electric blasts if that counts as a powerit's really funny if you go to the wiki and compare the "powers" category between peter and miles since they over explain every single one of peters spider powers, which makes it look like he has a lot more than miles.
>>144295627Tbf Wally’s powers were still speedster oriented like speed stealing and being more of a natural using the speedforce but he’s still an asspull character like all replacement characters, he really shouldn’t be better then Barry honestly
>>144307264I know this might be rich seeing as Peter barely has any real "spider" powers himself, but is Miles even a "Spider"-Man anymore?
>>144297271I mean Thor has Rune King, Sentry has void, Hulk has world breaker, heroes or other characters do get power creeps/transformations but with street characters like spider man I just feel like it’s too over the top for the setting, Miles glowing yellow like a fucking super saiyan doesn’t sound right to me
>>144297528>>144301643>Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris>In Ultimate, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics,cartoons,video games,etc.),where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man>Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers>Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb>But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever
>>144298775I want Peter to have the fangs and wrist-claws back. And since the spider that bit him was a Beyonder, then they could give him at least some ability to summon interdimentional spider minions.But all of those would require some crazy narrative and justification to stick.
>>144297271In the future, we'll have Miles Morales, Spider-GODHe'll even have a power up form where he has 12 arms each with a different spider-electric weapon as well as an invisible "Shadow Spider" that acts as the physical manifestation of his fighting spirit. He'll also have his own symbiote named「HAZARD」who'll be like Venom but cooler
sword is cool. legacy characters can only get more powerful.
>>144308228>But all of those would require some crazy narrative and justification to stickOr a movie where those abilities become relevant.
To the people that apparently like Miles: why? Why do you think he's a worthwhile character? And why do you go to bat for him over the other various Spider-Man legacy characters?
>>144308337This. And they should stick permanently. No return to status quo. This should be the new status quo.
>>144308344Nobody likes him. Anyone who defends Miles is a corporate shill, a leftist shit-for-brains trying to 'stick it to le chuds', or a troll baiting a hook.
>>144295262Because some spiders have them
>>144308367I wish that were true, but thanks to the games and movies, some people like him. I'm hoping it's for more than the games/movies just making him likable.
>>144302329The most important lover of Miles is missing
>>144308228>the spider that bit him was a BeyonderThe what?
>>144300475That happens because writers are lazy and copy each other constantly.
>>144302329>>144308487>non-canonpathetic
The only abilities one should have after becoming Spider-Man are those of a spider, he is a man with the powers of a spider, that's why he's called that.>Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider canSpiders don't zap things with electricity or see into the future, that's the kind of shit I'd expect out of one of Spidey's villains like Electro or Mysterio.
>>144308628616 Pete doesn't have actual spider powers though. Miguel's more Spider-Man than he is due to the fact that he's legit half-spider.
>>144295262You guys ever think they give black people electricity powers because an afro could generate static electricity?
>>144297346>picrel And that’s why you don’t fuck horses
>>144308673It's literally internalized racism putting a stereotype on black people. They have to have electricity powers because they are black
>>144308660>616 Pete doesn't have actual spider powersOkay?
>>144308660The JMS run explained he does but in different ways, his spider-sense are invisible spider eyes
>>144308683>It's literally internalized racism putting a stereotype on black people. They have to have electricity powers because they are blackOk but what you're saying is that my reasoning is probably not wrong.
>>144295262Fuckin hell, and I laughed when CW game Flash a lighting sword... WTF is this garbage?
>>144307309>I know this might be rich seeing as Peter barely has any real "spider" powers himself, but is Miles even a "Spider"-Man anymore?Pete's powers are at least spider themed. Miles's are just plain weird.
energy swords are so unrealistic in the world where spider bites give you powers. ooooh spooky
>>144308817>Pete's powers are at least spider themedNot really.
>>144308724>his spider-sense are invisible spider eyesThat doesn't work though. It's not that he see everything around him, but it's that he has limited clairvoyance.
Don't all spider man's use electromagnetism to climb walls? Miles just has a better control of that, he can shoot it out and refract light waves
>>144308873No
>>144308856Was in the 60s and 2000s>>144308865Because his invisible spider eyes are on his back
>>144308917>Was in the 60sNo.>Because his invisible spider eyes are on his backThat doesn't disprove what I said.
>>144308856The super strength come from the fact that the average spider's can lift 170 times their own weight, some even more depending on their species. The leaping ability come from jumping spiders.Stan Lee said that the spider-sense was meant to be the equivalent of the spider's secondary eyes, albeit it somehow picked up radio signal, so it might be the classic silver age power of "do whatever the plot needs to".Pete's abilities are pretty much analogous rather than straightfoward.
There are a fuckton of different kinds of spiders that can do all sorts of really cool things.There is no such thing as a spider that can do all of those things at once or a spider that can create giant blades made out of electricity.The fantastical element comes from the radioactive spider that gives Spider-Man its abilities by biting him and altering his DNA, the spider itself does nothing else and isn't typically relevant past the bite.
>>144308926>No.70s then >That doesn't disprove what I said.You sure?
>>144309094>There is no such thing as a spider that can do all of those things at onceUnless if it's genetically modified like in Raimi, TASM and Ultimate. A designer spider.
>>144309094>The fantastical element comes from the radioactive spider that gives Spider-Man its abilities by biting him and altering his DNADid they ever explain what kind of radiation it was? Was it gamma?
>>144309205Was magic, think at the spider totem.The radiocativity only made the spider go crazy and bite someone and give him it's power
>>144309228Jesus Christ, why even?
>>144309228>spider totemGenuinely as bad as symbiote gods.
>>144308773It's what happens when weebs become comic book writers. Ziglar has admitted that the sword was inspired by a manga character (I think it was someone from Dragon Ball) and that he likes to call Miles "Shonen-Man" behind the scenes. At this point, I honestly think I'd be more accepting of Miles if they dropped the powers he currently shares with Peter, went all in on his venom shit and gave him a superhero identity unrelated to spiders.
I don't understand the "Miles doesn't have his own villains". First off, yes he does.Second, its basically a marvel trademark to have heroes fighting outside "their rosters". For example, Spider-man fought Doom and Sandman joined the Frightful Four to fight the FF.I do agree his support cast is lacking though.
>>144309325>First off, yes he does.So true! Like his Miles Morales clone or white Miles Morales!
>>144308228>>144308498OK, sorry. That's my mistake.Originally it was some spider demon, then a manifestation of a spider god.Currently due to Marvel's Voices the spider got rezzed and became an inversion of Spider-Man. The spider got human-sized, got human intellect and some other mumbo jumbo because it became a gamma mutate. The radioactivity did something to it and cloned it. The spider that bit Peter was the one that gave him his powers while the clone was eaten by Carl King who would mutate later into The Thousand.Then she (the spider is female...yeah) became a superhero with the ability to change her sizes.Yeah. It's some complex BS.So no interdimensional spider minions. Scratch that.
>>144309320>manga character (I think it was someone from Dragon Ball)So you're that kid in school that never watched YuYu Hakusho
>>144309456You're right. Never have, probably never will.
It would be cooler if Miles had a different powerset. Like instead of being Peter + more abilities, he transform into a fuzzy man spider.
>>144309464Sad!
>>144309474That would steal Kaine and Ben powerset
>>144305633I saw Miles as keeping the Spider-Man in high school aspect and let Peter grow, instead was not
>>144301012>hunter x hunter goodBro what the fuck are you on about, that shit is tell don't show the comic book (Japan). The narration boxes will not stop yapping to let the art breathe.
>>144295486its cool when it comes out of a character who's already cool miles has never done anything to win over his audience
>>144302414People kept hyping up Rabble and I almost got into her as an antagonist then>her villain backstory is she didn't into the prep high school but Miles did>her villain plan is "KILL ME MILES AND YOU WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE ME"It be like if the Green Goblin was some guy Peter Parker brushed pass and accidentally smushed a hot dog onto his shirt that stained it with mustard. Like what a fucking stupid origin story. She's supposed to be his best villain right? I fucking shudder to imagine his worst.
>>144309325name them, then, lyinganon.
>>144309652>It be like if the Green Goblin was some guy Peter Parker brushed pass and accidentally smushed a hot dog onto his shirt that stained it with mustard.No wait you wrote this as a BAD villain origins joke?This shit is absolutely fucking kino and exactly how enemies are made in real life.DC's Black Manta most kino origin is him being a kid that saw Aquaman having fun and he decided he hated him. This is how a lot of bullies are made.
>>144309926I thought Black Manta hated Arthur cuz his dad was killed so he wanted revenge and it consumed his life
>>144309954That's the post flashpoint origins
>>144310049Okay, Im more familar with that I always prefer like a rational reason to hate somebody spiraling into complete mania as it utterly absorbs their every waking moment. Spider-Man humiliating the Goblin by stopping his plans to take over the underworld leads to them becoming mortal enemies. Reverse Flash wanting to be like his idol leads to him becoming Flash's greatest foe.
>>144295262I don't like that either
You niggas want Miles to be Deku? Y'all some lame ass motherfuckers.
>>144311020I don't want any Miles!
>>144308673It's called contrast. Take an art class and learn something
>>144311094What's to constrast? Black skin and blue or yellow electricity?
>>144308673It's because the first black superhero to have his own series(Black Lightning) had electric powers. Because of licensing issues DC couldn't use him so they started making knock-off black superheroes with electric powers until it became an well-established cliche.
>>144309477Botan, my beloved.>>144309464The smell of cut off genitals is strong in this one, he probably puts rick and morty on a pedestal as SU.
>>144311057I kind of like Spider-Verse Miles.
>>144300445Didn't she get base buff like strength and durability, she got hit a few times in the comics
>>144311314I think he's pretty boring easily mogged by every other Spider-Man.
>>144297472Was Jess Drew ever a thing?>top secret project>barely makes ends meet as a hotel receptionist>jobbed to Skrull Queen>worked for SWORD>jobbed to Mandrill>insults her partners during team-ups>2010s feminism>artificial insemination despite having the highest quality men on Earth at her fingertips>her newborn son is kidnapped, artificially matured to adulthood, and brainwashed to fight her (she jobs)Spider-Woman insists upon herself.
>>144309926No it aint The bully is the one who given up as soon as the victim put up first, or at least when they got beaten over and over
>>144311356I said kind of, I don't think he's as boring thanks to AtSV, so I have my hopes for BtSV.
>>144311467AtSV is a complete turd
>>144311397She was written by Claremont.
>>144311487I disagree, what do you like?
>>144311397She's only a thing now because Bendis brought her back and it showsShe can't really support her own book and the only thing people like about her are the costume and her relationship with CarolShe's not even popular enough to rate a permanent spot on the Avengers because there are a dozen classic Avengers who deserve the spot more and even more minority hires who will push her out
>>144309520And Peter's from the cartoon.
>>144311397Her origin was intended for Wolverine, but they wanted to trademark Spider-Woman before someone else did so they gave it to her.
>>144311020They make Peter like Deku too. Shit's lame as fuck and makes me hate Spider-Man.
>>144311534Movies with an ounce of coherency in their plot for a start.
>>144311610Such as?
>>144295262There is a kind of person for whom more power=better character. You see them around here a lot. They like Thor, Cable, Sentry, Hal Jordan and sometimes Barry, and sometimes more than one of them. They like Vegeta, but not Goku or Superman, because they want the power to dictate or bully, so it's not fun on actually good guys. Miles, at least his comic iteration, is missing so much of what makes the Spider-Man formula work that this is basically the only thing left for him. You can't have a dramatic story about a guy who isn't allowed to experience loss for social, editorial reasons.
>>144311626Like Reservoir Dogs or 98% of every movie ever made!
>>144311656Never heard of it>look it up>it's made by that guy who's really into feet>it's not /co/Cool.
>>144311712>Never heard of itWell yeah. Anyone who likes Across the Spiderverse must have watched very few movies in their lifes and/or is underage.
>>144311727Why are you mean?
>>144311748Just saying some simple facts here. Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
>>144311755And OMD is real, right?
>>144308344he's fun in the movies? i haven't read the comics or played the games though so i take your word for it if he sucks there.
>>144311774OMD is real and like AtSV complete and utter garbage!
>>144295262they gotta mary sue the black spider man to keep the attention of brainmelted zoomers that are glued to their phones
>>144308378>thanks to the games and movies, some people like himWhich goes back around to the earlier point that nobody actually likes him. He gets exposure in mainstream circles and appears in media more mainstream than comics, which causes NPCs to lie to themselves that they like this Diet Coke of a character.
>>144311811Do you like Spider-Man?
>>144311837there's tons of characters with objectively no appeal that people like, i don't see how miles is so much different
>>144311839Yes sure I like Peter Parker and your favourite little stories like OMD, Sins Past or Across the Spider-Verse treat him like shit.
>>144308673>>144308683>>144308724>>144295262StormMiles MoralesBlack ThorShockerBlack LightningStaticBumblebeehttps://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?26031-Black-characters-and-electric-powershttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ElectricBlackGuy
>>144295262Whats the problem are you racist????
>>144311878I don't like OMD or Sins Past and I don't see how getting married and actually having Mayday is treating him like shit.
>>144311020>>144311582>like DekuWhat the fuck does this even mean?
>>144311914>I don't like OMD or Sins PastWhat? Do you hate Miles Morales or something? Without these stories you love so much your favourite character Miles would never have turned out the way he did!>how getting married and actually having Mayday is treating him like shit.You mean how he becomes part of a cult telling a teenager that his parents should die while bringing his own infant daughter in danger constantly? That Peter who is constantly cucked and undermined by everyone around him in this film, who can't read a room and constantly holds a baby toward the person who lost his universe and child? That guy? You seem like a big fan of Well's run.
>>144311246interesting. i thought it had something to do with modernity.
>>144311987I don't really bother with comics, more of a cartoon guy.
>>144311450That's a paper tiger, a real bully goes lenghts
>>144311543>and even more minority hires who will push her outWait until a mandate makes Jessica into a black woman like the Spider-verse version
>>144312030>more of a cartoon guyhttps://youtu.be/mkf43ZhNyBg?si=xN0Z9CEt8ui6xkfz&t=7
>>144312110Rude.
>>144311883>TV TropesGo tapdance in the middle of a busy highway please.
>>144311920>He didn't saw BNHANgmi
>>144295482Good idea to take away the power that always needs an explanation as to why it doesn't work.Like Superman's X-ray vision, Flash's ability to move through walls, the transporter in Star Trek, etcetera
>>144312184Of course, I'm not a homosexual. Now explain what you meant.
>>144295374Miguel is arguably the best Spider-Man that isn't Peter.
>>144312738Kaine is pretty close.
>>144312738>>144312780No love for me boi Ben
Alright guys, time to predict what Miles' new power will be. Dubs makes it canon.
>>144312978Lightning spider legs
>>144312978He just becomes the new Electro lmao
>>144312978Bigger dick
>>144312978Can hulk out in a Man-Spider that shoots electric beams from the mouth like an Oozaru from dragon ball
>>144312978Good credit.
>>144312978turned into a girl and shoots bedazzling lightning webs
>>144312978what this guy said >>144313441
>>144312978PheromonesBitches love Black Spider-Man
>>144312150anon just because you're triggered by a website doesn't change the fact that black characters with lightning powers is a stereotype
>>144312978grandchild of magneto with electromagnetism powers. long lost son of polaris
>>144312978Just a gun
>>144312978magic negrocity
>>144312978Making single mothers
>>144295262Litterallly just queer coded spider themed rip off of static(shock).That's it.Also american comics has a boner for giving black people electric powers.In DC it was kind of canon that all of the black people with electric powers are descended from zeus...>>144307293This shit right here?This lame wierdo bullshit you're saying? This is fucking why comics are dying. NO FUCKING BODY WANTED BARRY ALIVE NOR DID THEY WANT BARRY TO BE A CHEAP OVER POWERED MORALLY EVIL AND LESS FUN VERSION OF WALLY>>144311987>What? Do you hate Miles Morales or something? Without these stories you love so much your favourite character Miles would never have turned out the way he did!I'm sorry, what are you saying? Are you attempting to erect le evil strawnegro to be the sacrificial lamb for marvels terrible handling of the spiderman IP?
>>144313989>I'm sorry, what are you saying? Read the discussion before asking and inserting yourself in there, retard.
>>144313989>NO FUCKING BODY WANTED BARRY ALIVE NOR DID THEY WANT BARRY TO BE A CHEAP OVER POWERED MORALLY EVIL AND LESS FUN VERSION OF WALLYI mean Geoff Johns did bring back Barry and made him responsible for Flashpoint...
>>144313989>queer coded That's not a thing. It's a buzzword for "He ain't gay or a troon but I wish he was" simply meaning headcanon.
>>144314074That's my point. Barry is fundamentally a more powerful, overly glazed morally evil rip off of Wally now. This makes me realize that people who get into comics are oft objectively not nice or heroic people and depend on the...costume of a good person for their ideals to be considered not fucked up or evil. I wonder how many of the writers and creatives in comics coudl actually make an objectively morally good hero and an objectively morally evil villain without resorting to using the white had and blackhat of comic books? >>144311987So you are doing that.And yeah, sony peter parker is a total nebbish new york jew stereotype that was tired three days after the movie "Manhattan" was released generations ago
>>144314111Coded mean they have all of the stereotypical tells of being part of this group without saying it. Most people actually understand what that means. It's just that people who RELY on this to push certain messages or peoples don't want this to be a commonly understood thing because it undermines their social engineering efforts. Or you're fucking retarded. One or the other. Malicious or a fucking moron who is worse then malicious.
>>144314163>Coded mean they have all of the stereotypical tells of being part of this group without saying it. Queer coded means retards like you see a guy wearing a pink shirt assuming they're a troon or a fag like you or a guy smiles at another guy and that means they really wanna have gay sex. It's not a real thing.>Most people actually understand what that means.No they don't. That's you asserting. Like the term "woke" it's a buzzword that changes the meaning from person to person who unironically uses these.
>>144312978falling into obscurity
>>144314211>>144314163You two are retard coded
>>144312978Multiverse dimension hopping.
The theme is theft. They're stolen.
>>144300475>we zeus now
>>144300475TLDR: started as weird copyright shenanigans and now is just a meta trend
>>144295374I wish Spider Verse 2 was different then what we got. A standalone Miguel story, a story about Miles without the Dimensional police force junk, a story where Liv becomes the main antagonist.
>>144312978Shots little miles from his hands
>>144295714>Retard tries to draw a parallel between an actual person being replaced with a bigger and better clone with the idea of... technical advancements
>>144312978He was a JoJo Stand so he can summon a Man-Spider that hits like the Hulk
>>144295714>B...>N
>>144309926>>144309954I thought Black Manta hated Aquaman cuz B.M. had autism that made him evil>>144311020No that’s what Ziglar wants because he’s an unoriginal hack who doesn’t know how to make Miles interesting (Hint: you can’t)
>>144312978getting buck broken
>>144312978stealing bikes
>>144312978Exploding knees
>>144315329>I thought Black Manta hated Aquaman cuz B.M. had autism that made him evilThat's in the same canon.Manta hated Aquaman because he was happy and he wasn't, then the autism was that Manta hated water in general and seeing Arthur being happy in the water made him hate Aquaman .It's all connected.
>>144295482Name 3 miles villains that are not hand me down peter villains. Nigga doesn't even have his own personality.
>not a single guess has proven right/co/ is pathetic.
>>144315892Rabble (Taskmaster ripoff so not a Peter's villain)Frost Pharaoh (a white man larping as a pharaoh, so more like a Batman's villain like Tut than a Spider-Man one.Hightail (evil annoying speedster and it's more Zoom than anything)
>>144312978Controls spiders
>>144312978Two electric swords
>>144312978We'll be able to shoot out electricity from his hands to pick up people and objects
>>144312978Venom saber/electricity wings
>>144316199I'm shocked I made it but can see it as well
>>144316220It may not be straight up wings (although it very well could be), but I can definitely see his next power giving him flight to some degree
>>144316231LOL oh yes, definitely flying
>>144316199FINALLY>>144316284The second Spider-Man game was the gateway for it. I can see it now.
>>144309622>missing the point
>>144316367The point is that while it goes in depth it doesn't really let you digest it by yourself and instead spoon feeds you every fucking action. It's a visual medium. You can have a fight scene that speaks for itself.
>>144295262They should make it so that the more powers Miles uses, the more likely he is to shit himself.
>>144297548do gringos really?
>>144317341Always
>>144312780>>144312874Glad to see some niggas out here fighting for Ben and Kaine.
>>144312978Electric Wings
>>144312978His tears can cure all illnesses.
>>144312978they've already said. When Blood Hunt ends, Miles keeps a special vamp power that mixes with his spider pheromones.When he bites a girl, he can control her to do anything he wants as well as giving her orgasms with the venom from his bite. Causing them to go into "lust fits."
I wish they'd gone the other way and focused on Miles having stealth powers rather than increasingly bullshit levels of energy projection.
>>144295374>Miguel O'HARA>LatinoI fucking hate Spider-Verse so much.
>>144318743Miguel isn't Irish though, his dad was a cuckHe WAS half-latino though
>>144318966Tyler Stone's a WASP right?
>>144318987Tyler was a square-jaw all-american man.
>>144318966Ah yes his name is MIGUEL and he was always saying shit like "arriba" or "te quiero". Right.
>>144318711>Miles' new power will involve biting peoplesheeeit, is he even ripping off Spider-boy's powers now?
>>144319108Can Bailey control people after he bites them?
>>144319012What the fuck are you talking about
>>144319303I think anon is saying that while his name was Miguel, being of some Mexican meant nothing because he never spoke Spanish and just looked like any other white guy
>>144319345He's not wrong in that sense, and Spider-Verse did get him wrong in every possible way. But the fact remains that he is objectively half-latino and not half-irish.And also to be fair his costume is a day of the dead outfit he had lying around so it's not completely irrelevant. They actually used his heritage well instead of making him spout some spanish every couple of sentences to remind the reader where he's from
>>144319367What's the other half?
>>144319597White of some sort, American
>>144319108>sheeeit, is he even ripping off Spider-boy's powers now?Spider-Boy ripped that shit off from Miguel. fuck that little shit.
>>144319727He's a bigger freak than Miguel though (who also has a shitty deal)>multiple eyes>freaky fangs>ginger
>>144319767>No one remembers who he is>Turned into a freak of nature>His mother doesn't know who he is and protects an even bigger freak of nature clone of him>Has a picture showing him and his mother that could prove he's right>The evidence is erased by some asshole who doesn't really know who he is eitherDude, being Bailey fucking sucks.
>>144300475the white writers didn't care enough
>>144312978The power to conjure fried chicken by focusing really hard, which he learned from Ganke during a hike in the woods or something. but he can only make it happen when he says "pollo" because he's spanish.
>>144320948POLLO FREIDO :DDDDDDDDDDD
>>144297271>More like a shonēn protagonist.They usually work within the confines of a defined powerset that has rules that are applicable to nearly everyone in their setting. Even then, they don't suddenly develop new powers that are antithetical to their themeing.
>>144319003>all-american manSo a spic.>>144319012He was made in the 90s, the idea that latinx needed to speak spanglish was in coma, and even justified since he is from 2099 where english is the one world language
>>144309320>he likes to call Miles "Shonen-Man" behind the scenesMiles is nothing like a battle manga mc lol
>>144295262My problem with Miles is that they never show him on panel banging any of his love interests.Show him giving Kamala the mating press you cowards!
His power will be to make it rain on Kamala.
>>144300475the innate desire to go ZAP
>>144309520Kaine and Ben can henshin into fuzzy spiders?I was thinking something like>Transformation>Elongate arms and legs up to three times their sizes>having motion sensors eyes on the head>Spider webs shot from the hips>Being able to split the arms and legs in two.
>>144301012You completely ignored his point about well drawn vs poorly drawn fight scenes to say “WELL IM VERY SMART AND MEDIA LITERATE ACTION NEEDS GOOD STAKES OR PLOT NOTHING ELSE MATTERS” without engaging in his point. Regardless if there’s stakes or not theres well drawn and poorly drawn action. You’re not smart for pointing out action figures beating each other up isn’t interesting, but at least one is prettier to look at than the other
>>144322827Kaine usually, also when Kaine became Tarantula
>>144309926Just because something is realistic doesn’t make it good.
>>144314144Man you had me for shitting on Barry revival and Geoff Johns but you’re autistic and make us Wally bros look bad.
>>144311914I don't see how >appearing for 40 seconds in the movie total>never wearing the mask>never being called Spider-Man >being a bad friend>not being able to get it up without thinking of Miles>letting everyone talk down to him>not standing up for Gwen >letting people die because Miguel told him so>trying to stop Miles from saving his dad>implying he'd let Mayday die for a canon event>repeatedly bringing Mayday into deadly dangerous situations>lying to MJ about it is anything but treating him like absolute shit, not even OMD was THIS bad
>>144315019read:>>144308194
>>144323387>>repeatedly bringing Mayday into deadly dangerous situationsBecause she had already inherited his powers and leaving her at home for MJ to deal with that by herself would be a dick move, not to mention it would risk his secret identity in his home universe. He has plenty of experience with the spider powers so Mayday is safest wherever he is.
>>144324038>Because she had already inherited his powers and leaving her at home for MJ to deal with that by herself would be a dick moveThat’s totally disingenuous. It’s never stated that MJ can’t handle Mayday. In fact it is stated that MJ SPECIFICALLY asked Peter to not endanger their infant daughter in some stupid multiverse adventure and he disobeys her. It’s terrible parenting.
>>144321772>latinxEat ass, honky.
>>144324812>Latinx hands typed this
>>144324787>In fact it is stated that MJ SPECIFICALLY asked Peter to not endanger their infant daughter in some stupid multiverse adventureDid it?
>>144327131Yes
>>144328245When
>>144328990When Peter talked about it
>>144329852MJ was there
>>144316091Thats what I like about the current Spider-man run. It's actually trying to make Miles his own thing with his own villians and shit
>>144295262Peter Parker fucking Rio Morales.
>>144316091Rabble is very obviously inspired by the Insomniac version of Tinkerer.
>>144331461>Source: headcanon that somebody actually likes Insomniac Spider-Man beyond bots
>>144331269The only thing missing is him getting his own identity. Which kind of waste the entire thing by making him cosplay Spider-Man.
