Isn't it retarded to take X-23, give her a less cool name, and stick her in a less cool costume, all so she can be a literal female version of a male character?
>>144620794Of course it's retarded, but the point isn't to entertain anyone or make characters cool. The point is to ruin every male hero in the name of psychotic insane feminism.Making Laura "Wolverine" ruins both Laura and Wolverine. But it's simply a price the feminists are willing to pay to get to destroy something male.
>>144620794This is why we should have kept Talon aroundOne Laura can be Lady Wolverine, the other one can be X-23They can take turns on which one is getting her back blown out by Synch
>>144620820>Hey, you can't be psychotic and hate the opposite sex! I'm already doing that!
>>144620825>They can take turns on which one is getting her back blown out by Synchi hate that ugly fucking asswhipe
>>144620825>they finally change it so that Laura is Wolvie's actual child instead of a clone altered to be female>then they kill the original Laura off extremely brutally and even ensure you know that her soul was obliteratedT-thanks Marvel.
>>144620864What?
>>144620895The Talon arc of Krakoa.
>>144620895>They retconned it so that Laura was Logan's genetic daughter instead of his clone. Her mother was her mother Sarah Kinney>during the Vault arc of Krakoa, Synch, Darwin and Laura were trapped in there. Synch thought Laura died and Darwin was captured so only Synch made it out>Krakoa made a duplicate of Laura through Resurrection, who had no memories of the time in the Vault>but they found the original Laura a few months later and brought her out, she took the name Talon to differentiate them>Talon died during the Fall of X, Synch tried to capture and keep her mind inside his head like a living Cerebro unit but had to let her go or he would die too>no one ever explained why they couldn't just resurrect her with another backupBased on the continuity of consciousness Talon was the real Laura, and the current Wolverine is a copySo Laura is a clone again
>>144620794OP, you're starting from the faulty premise that "X-23" is a cool name.
>>144620940jesus fucking christ why would they make thatwhy would they even think about making that sort of story that's horrifying
>>144620986welcome to gerry duggan ruining x-menremember not to buy anything with his name on the cover
>>144620940I said it before. I'll say it again. X-men are unsalvageable.
>>144620997but like that's fucking horrifying. the whole krakoan resurrection thing was already on shaky metaphysical ground but ewing and some of the others at least TRIED to make it less of a nightmare. but this is just holy shitpure fucking ontological nightmare fuel
>>144620940Don't forget that they made a mistake in cloning her and gave nu-Laura a full metal skeleton when OG Laura just had metal on her claws so she really is the Wolverine. I also hate that Honey Badger is now named Scout
>>144621016it was designed to be something horrible and fail by hickman. he didn't make krakoa to succeed. the point of it was to make the mutants dumb and to justify that a full-fledged nation were never a good ideabut he got replaced by a bunch of dumbasses and duggan mainly ruined it all by transforming it into x-stein island and such
>>144620794Millennials don't have any authentic experiences to draw on, so yes, they're retarded and can only recycle the ideas they grew up with slight changes. In the future, people are gonna look back on millennial's contribution to culture as nothing more than fanfiction.
>>144620794Yes the point is to resell you the same characters and story with a literal different coat of paint. Saves money on creativity and rakes in cash from dumb ass progressives who claim to hate Capitalism>What if we took the first African American superhero, made him abandon his persona, take up the persona belonging to a white character, and pretend this is a win
>>144620940The funniest part is seeing Krakoafags on Reddit and Twitter going "I'm sad Talon died but at least Laura is still here". They either don't get it or have such horrible Stockholm syndrome they convinced themselves it was a good idea.
>>144620794No.X-23 was her slave name to the government.Like Weapon X was for Logan.Now she’s free from her slavery and adopted into Logan’s family. Also, she’s no longer a prostitute for survival.So everything about her name and costume now makes sense for her character development.You’re just mad and want everything to stay the same.
>>144620942I think X-23 fits a character who was created to be a clone of an existing character. Its like Android 18 from Dragon Ball.
>>144621088>Character developmentSee>>144621071. Disney makes good money off of retards like you.
what is a fun or sexy outfit she could wear?
>>144621071Worth noting that rage bait is free advertisement
>>144621025>I also hate that Honey Badger is now named ScoutHoney Badger was a mistake anyway, so it's a lateral move.
>>144620940They could have if there was a telepath around or the Five around at the time. But there wasn’t.But I see what you’re saying. If Forge’s worldwide backup cerebros were still working they could resurrect her.But didn’t Orchis take them offline or am I misremembering?
>>144621117They could have done it with the 15-year timeskip resurrection in X-Men 700 but they probably decided having one Laura was enough and stayed off. Alternately, somebody thought the whole Talon thing was a mistake to begin with and wanted to bury it. I honestly don't think it will ever be brought up again or the true nature of the current Laura, even though she should be given her own name and identity as they tend to do with duplicates (Joseph, Maddie, Honey Badger, etc). But again I don't think anybody wants to touch this.
>>144621117They could have just resurrected her from the back up from before the night of the Hellfire Gala That's the point of when they brought back the Dead X-Men She wouldn't remember the Fall of X, but that's not a huge gap all things considered
If anything, they should have kept the female Savage Sabretooth around to be a reoccurring villain for her.
>>144621205they killed her off in her worst run
>>144621117Emma was projecting her mind across the world to mobilize mutants including Synch & Kamala.
>>144620940The entire Talon thing was so much a dumb move. They had the opportunity to make use of the implications of what happens when there’s a dupe due to the original not dying and they did nothing with it. Hell Talon basically never even was a character and just existed as an extension of Synch. I can’t believe they actually gave us a worse relationship with Laura than the Angel one but here we are
>>144621970They never even had Talon interacting with any of Laura's family or friends, they could have had an interesting storyline about how Gabby received her and contrasted it with how Old Man Logan was like a grandpa who tried to kill her. But they just stayed away from all of itIt was clear they always considered girl Wolverine the real one
>>144620794It’s an old trend of taking a popular name and giving it to someone else. This has been a thing for decades but it’s weird in that there are multiple people with the name.
>>144622934Not really.If you can’t differentiate normal Thor from the one with tits, then something is wrong with you.
>>144620794Something, something, empowerment. It’s the same dumb shit with calling Miles Spider-Man when Pete is a block away doing spider-man shit.
>>144621970>>144622916The X-Men were fucked when they allowed Hickman do use the clone thing. That would have been great for a dark AU thing. And now they're working hard to ignore it because to delve into it would be to derail the entire X-Men franchise.Honestly an editor should have stopped it the second it was pitched.
This is what happens when you treat comics as IP farms rather than stories with a beginning and end.
>>144620809Cool art.
>>144622958I think there’s something wrong with you. The problem is that multiple people have the same name at the same time, like Laura in the OP. That robs one or both characters of their individual identity and a shameless tactic to whore out the popular name.
>>144623537Maybe.But Laura’s ended a while ago.But since American comics are Neverending, Laura’s fate was always going to go this way.
>>144620794This is beyond awful. You guys are too nice about this shit. I don't even like Batgirl.
>>144620940>no one ever explained why they couldn't just resurrect her with another backupDid you forget the part where Orchis wiped out all thier systems for resurrection? Not like they had time to make new ones from scratch
>>144623992Ah ha!I knew Orchis did something to it
>>144623992The Five had no problem resurrecting everyone with their cradle in the White Hot RoomIt was pretty important to the finale that every X-Man who got caught in the WHR and everyone who died after the Fall got resurrectedExcept for Talon for some reasonAnd I guess Daken since he's Hellverine now
I think the wolverine costume looks good on a female figure
>>144620794She’s a prostitute
>>144624260Didn't her backup get deleted before she sacrificed herself?
>>144620940Here's the real question: if you were cloned and had a copy of you running around, and you knew you were the original, why would YOU change YOUR name to 'differentiate'? Thats not the result of any rational human thought process. Any real person in that situation would double, triple, and quadruple down on their name being THEIR name because thats literally their fucking identity. Its really fucking hack writing, a character clearly being forced to behave like a robot for executive brand IP management reasons.
>>144624493When would that have even happened?
>>144624560>Its really fucking hack writing, a character clearly being forced to behave like a robot for executive brand IP management reasonsSo......first day on /co/?
>>144621072You mean the paid shills?
>>144624560The comics were not ready to take that discussion then and they never will be. It will just become one of those things deep core nerds will know about.
>>144621071And then some mexican took his old persona so he can't even go back to that. Does Sam even still have Redwing or did they take that from him too?
>>144624892I think Redwing splits his time between Sam and Joaquin because he has a psychic rapport with bothIt'd be funny if he was key to Blood Hunt because he's a vampire now
>>144620794Her being wolverine during a time when logan is dead makes more sense than most. The issue is that first taylor skipped over all the character work that would be needed for her to take the name and took away everything intresgin from her. The personality just becoming logan lite also doesn't help.>>144620825Nah laura should have stuck with the talon name but krakoa was the worst of both worlds. Neither laura was written like laura. One was written as "grrr best there is at what I do" and the other was written as a set dressing for synch (literally).>>144620864Desu no one treats krakoa talon as the real laura nywyas.>>144621072Every laura fan I know just ignores this. Even laura fans that like laura as wolverine just treat the clone as the real one.>>144621088She wasn't created by the government tho. And she did have her own name talon. It just got forggetn.The idea of her taking the wolverine name is sound...but it just all happened off screen. Is it development if we don't see it? And if everything that makes the character distinct leaves?Also she was only a prostitute in one story where she stopped being one in that same one, and it only came up twice afterwards, both by the same writer.>>144621133It very much was a mistake that just existed cause duggan wanted to write his shitty ship.
>>144620794yes. OP is correct, and what's more is that the wolverine oversaturation trope is perpetuated with Laura so long as Logan wolverine is ALSO still being put on covers of comicsLaura should have stayed as x-23, and her origin story as a prostitute should have remained so it would make sense for her to team up with punisher and take down pedo rings and trafficking rings, as well as defend sex workers unionsbut comic companies don't have the balls for doing anything original or controversial
>>144624354you're right, it does not. it ugly in general. also the pointy flare for his pointy hair just copied off of beast's hair after beast's first transformation
>>144625295It wasnt her origin story. It was just an appearance. Her origin was the whole created to be a weapon thing and lacking socialization.And she did hunt trafficking rings in liu's run.
>>144624354She shouldnt wear yellow and blue. Use the grey and black with red eyes costume and maybe
Why yes, I did kill people in Afghanistan.
>>144625353Kyle and yost's laura was so fucking good.
>>144625191Talon was a name she had never actually used before, it was a potential name for her that never caught onThe only time it was used in universe was when Nimrod scanned her and identified her as such, but he was malfunctioning and is from the future so his data is skewed
>>144625392Her second mini ended with it and she was intended to be called that until x-force. It was used in some captions too
>>144625295The 'X-23 is a prostitute' thing is something that only exists in the minds of coomers. Its not worth discussing.
>>144625652fuck off, puritan
>>144625387> knock on the door to a woman's bedroom> no wait for response before opening it anywayScott, what the fuck?
>>144625665If it was a significant part of her character, or even real, it would be worth discussing. But coomer fanfiction shouldn't be indulged in or people start to think that its actually a part of the character because its been repeated so many times. Nothing puritanical about asking you to stop making shit up.
>>144625692ah yes, because the vault with *checks notes* a clone and a not-real romance is so genuine!
>>144625675Its scott>>144625692She got zero introspection as it all happened off screen come on.>>144625717Dont forget the clone plot only existed so they could make it so "wolverine" doesn't remember the past.
Maybe Gabby should be X-23 based on Dafne KeeneAnd Laura can be WolverineNo one wins
>>144627162at least you know it's shit
I miss the old Laura
>>144627870For all my issue's with liu's run, even she didn't fail as basically as the current stuff does.
>>144627983Didn't what's-his-name give her brown eyes instead of green?
>>144627870No you don't. Laura was just a shit waifu bait character for people to want to jack to cute goth girl but never buy comics. She's the Harley Quinn of X-men.
>>144628192why you angry
>>144628101Who?>>144628192Nah sorry innocnese lost and target x (as well as her stuff in new x-men and x-force) are great. Her solo was mixed but she was a compelling character there, I would just argue the direction was the last thing she needed at the time.
>>144628306>Who?the retard who gave her gabby as a tumor to plague her character
>>144620794No. Laura as Wolverine lasted 35 issues. Highest any X-23 book lasted was 21
>>144620940>>144620986>>144620997>>144621016>>144621043If you folks loved existential ship of theseus nightmare mind fucks then you'll love this game!
>>144628490She was x-23 for 15 years come on.
>>144628367Sometimes. She had green eyes under the artists there.
>>144628689duck ass lips
>>144628569>>144628569>ship of theseus nightmare mind fucks then you'll love this game!but anonthe coinflip is a lie
>>144620794She was more unique as a melancholic heroine, now she's a quippy whedonite character no different than Kitty Pride, Kate Bishop, and the rest of the Marvel heroines in the "young adult" age range.
>>144629479Yeah. I miss when she would never use contractions.
>>144620794Yes
>>144625652
>>144631252ACKSHULLY SHE JUST SCRATCHED HIM UPNO INTERCOURSE TOOK PLACE
>>144631252Yes, it only exists in NYX, then only got referenced twice afterwards. Its literally something that got super memoryholed by her own minis.
>>144628729Dsl
>>144628569shit game
>>144620942It is, because MvC chads (not including Infinite) carry Marvel
>>144634469カプコンのえくす23がろらでわないCapcom's X-23 isn't Laura.
>>144634469>>144634544wait i didn't use katakana for lauradammit
>>144634544>>144634549Kusu need to be in their katakana form to and you used wa instead of ha. You bringu shame upon your famury.
>>144620794That is correct.
>>144621071Whatever happened to Eli Bradley anyway? If you're going to push a black Captain America at least make it Steve/Bucky's protogee.
>>144636328There are many black Captain America's:Sam WilsonIsaiah BradleyEli BradleyRayshaun LucasNichelle Wright
>>144636435Black people helped create America.So no surprise.
>>144636435Nobody likes Falcon as "Captain America" though.
>>144636753Absolutely wrong.He’s the people’s Captain America.The only thing I hate is that they broke him and Jet Zola up for stupid reasons so he could hook up with Misty Knight.Dating the daughter of your arch enemy has tons of opportunities.
>>144621109Do they make any money off of it?
>>144637033Nope
