Bump if you're reading.
>>144651371If this isn't a reboot where is Poochie Jennika
And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
thanks op. That was a cool little story
My LCS completely sold out of this. So that’s cool.
>>144651371Negative: It's a little weird that Raph is in a prison for humans, rather than just thrown into a lab.Positive: Jesus titty-fucking Christ, it's a relief that I can finally both follow the plot and not be bored out of my skull reading it after four years of the main book being written by incompetent retard. Maybe this isn't the best story it could be but at the very least it is something that can keep my interest. No fucking soup kitchens taking up most of the issue or poorly explained details here.
>>144651371>New continuity Nice
>>144652742Its not, actually.
>>144651371Bump for reading
>>144652883So what this is volume 2 of IDW?
>>144652956Yup.
>>144651371You can't tell me that Michaelangelo isn't traced from porn.
>>144651371Bump, thx OP.
>>144651414>>144651417>you're my ally, fuckyoufuckyoufuckyoufuckyouI hate characters like this.
Shockingly decent from Aaron.
Art is really good. Action is decent. Story is masturbatory drivel. I saw a review praising this comic for remembering that Raph's origin in IDW and how he was separated from his brothers for a year for contrived reasons, and I'm wondering what the fuck that reviewer was on about, because this same story forgets that Raph has already spent years brooding and confronting his anger again and again and again. Only this time, it's that some vague thing happened and now he's reset again to being the brooding loner who hates himself.Resetting Karai and the Foot back to being shamelessly evil is likewise a cop out. I bet Aaron wanted to bring back Shredder, but IDW probably signed off on some Dimension X Shredder mini-series and he won't be back as an antagonist until next year.
>>144651423>>144651425I know that sword!https://www.budk.com/Black-Legion-Atlantis-Fantasy-Sword-With-Sheath-On-46477
>>144653072I guess Aaron really wanted to go back to basics which is understandable.
>>144651856On the one hand, I'm glad TMNT can succeed without Hollywood. On the other, I'm not exactly enthralled by the flimsiness of this story. Everything that should be a plot point is just a vague mumble about that time that something happened.
>>144653072>it's that some vague thing happenedHe went to Area 51.>Resetting Karai and the Foot back to being shamelessly evilMaybe. It wouldn't be surprising though, since she's possessed by an evil dragon.
>>144653126The time skip will be covered by the new Mutation Nation ongoing.
>>144653118He's said as much, but I'm skeptical of his methods of trying to get there. Kinda seems like the gimmick is going to be that all of the turtles, who are now publicly known, in a world where mutants aren't a secret anymore, are being given elaborate reasons for why they have to hide and be ninjas and "shadow warriors" again. >>144653127>The time skip will be covered by the new Mutation Nation ongoing.>He went to Area 51.They can just say that. Or allude more directly to something that happened in New Mexico and put a box that says [Find out more in this comic when it releases!] instead of starting with a #1 that's already burying itself under a poorly laid out continuity. This doesn't tell me IDW has improved or sorted their shit out. It tells me they're committing to the same mistakes that they've made for decades.>spoilerI'm aware. It seems like a strange choice after they tried so hard to redeem her and prove that she was just evil because of a magic sword, or because she was ambitious. It's still a contrivance to make her evil yet again.
>>144653076I'm impressed by the sheer nerd knowledge you have regarding $20-something gimmick weapons to immediately recognize that reference.
>>144653220>They can just say that. Or allude more directly to something that happened in New Mexico and put a box that says [Find out more in this comic when it releases!]They did, it was in the editor letter at the end.
>>144653327No one reads that shit. It needs to be on the fucking page.
>>144653344Don't whine just because it inconveniences you to read one extra page.
>>144653362It's not on the page where it's most relevant and the writing for both comics is harmed for it.
>>144653409Maybe it was on purpose to keep readings wondering. And reading.
Kinda feels like something from Tales of Vol 2. I think it was entertaining. Hope the keep that energy.
>>144654450Have you read Black White and Green?
>>144651371>its not a resetwow, no thanks.
>>144654595Not yet, I have heard the same though, how has it been so far?
>>144654887They're all exactly like the old short comics you'd get in the back of Mirage issues. So some suck, some are great.
Not bad, Aaron did a pretty good Raphael characterization
>>144654930Guess I’d check them out, thx. SMA 15 comes out next week, right?
>>144655320Last week, actually.
>>144651423https://youtu.be/ZgkefnwlpkA
>>144655393Shit, going out for vacation messed some of my dates. >>144653143MN will be written by Walt’s and Campbell IIRC, wonder if they will introduce Ninjara there.
>>144655572Seems likely, half of it is what happened to Karai and co after Untold Destiny.
>>144655601Think she will join them? The original one started as a villain too but they kinda did the same with Alopex already.
>>144655682Maybe, but yeah, it'd be redundant after Alopex.
>>144651371I'm going to ignore the plot hole of the whether the Turtles can be recognized as US citizens or how well they're known to the general population or with any local state or federal governments and that fast-tracking an underage mutant to an adult prison would raise alarms. The plot is just the cliche of the "tough man in prison" where the tough guy naturally acclimates to prison as though it's all barely restrained violence and prison rape. Prisons are their own ecosystems, gangs and all. If it was old Purple Dragon members going after him, it would make more sense. Or just saying he's being targeted because he's a mutant and getting rid of that "killed a man in Bakersfield" line and accentuating that he doesn't belong. But that would clash with the narrative they've building and their reliance on Raph being the "dangerous one" to make it make sense. The art has fundamental problems with it. Raph goes from 4'10 to 6'0 in some of those panels, I have no idea of where the floor is or how the people are placed within the spaces they're supposed to be in, and sometimes the anatomy just gets wonky. The inconsistent textures don't help either.But it also hits on one of my pet peeves when it comes to drawing the Turtles: artists who draw their shells over whatever clothing they're wearing as though they can take off their shells. It also bothers me that the artist gives Raph the typical Turtle iconography despite it not making sense to have it where he is. You can get rid of the bandana and the belt and the wraps and you'd still know it's Raph because he's the only one in prison and the only Turtle in this story.But the issue gets across the finish line and the concept is somewhat novel.
>>144651371Pretty decent issue, but the fact that we're practically immediately starting out with three separate books doesn't make me feel especially confident. The worst part of the previous run (outside of the obvious parts) was having to keep up with an endless stream of middling side books to understand what the fuck was going on at any given time.
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>>144655882>or how well they're known to the general populationMutants became common knowledge after a huge portion of New York's population was mutated against their will.
>>144656049Post Armageddon Game, mutants were shown to be fully integrated into society with minimal friction. There were mutant police officers, mutant athletes, and mutant fashion models, along with at least one mutant shown in every street shot... and then FCBD and TMNT Alpha #1 went and made it seem like all of society went backwards in the months that followed and now Mutants are back to living in the ghetto and being violently persecuted by society.
next issues>RELEASES SEP 11TH, 2024Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #2Michelangelo is living in Tokyo, where he's become a big TV star. It's a pretty cool life, full of fame and fortune, but if he's being honest, Mikey misses his brothers and the sense of purpose they had together. Well, in a classic case of "be careful what you wish for," that old life looks like it's coming to find him when ninjas show up in his apartment armed to the teeth!Continuing the all-new ongoing series from writer Jason Aaron (Action Comics, Thor), this time joined by Detective Comics and American Vampire artist Rafael Albuquerque, this spotlight story on everyone's favorite jokester puts the second piece of the puzzle together for the future of TMNT.>RELEASES OCT 23RD, 2024Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #3Leonardo is traveling the world in search of peace. All the adventures—good and bad—he's had with his brothers have taken their toll, and he is seeking a new way to exist, leaving the life of New York far behind. On the banks of the Ganges, he has found a turtle colony that shows him a simpler way to be, but even these turtles have their foes. Leo can fend off the poachers easily, protecting his temporary home, but what will he do when a deadlier enemy comes searching for him?Continuing this new run of stories by legendary comics scribe Jason Aaron (The Mighty Thor, Batman: Off-World), each of these first four issues focus on one Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. In the Leonardo issue, Jason is matched with fan-favorite artist Cliff Chiang (Paper Girls, Catwoman: Lonely City), whose unique style is a perfect match for this unique TMNT story!
>>144656049Mutants, yes. Mutants as a general group were known to the population after Hob detonated the Mutagen Bomb.The Turtles or The Hamato Clan as a whole? Even with Baxter Stockman as mayor, was it ever shown that the state and federal governments knew the general details of the Turtles/Hamato Clan existence? That they're ninja?I will admit that I struggled to keep up with the issues after #100, but I've never seen a moment where the feds or the state (beyond Baxter) knew of the Turtles' existence.
>>144656210Okay, so literally all 4 stories are >The turtles are all somewhere else right now thinking about how much they hated their old lives>and then ninjas attack>so they go back to new york to resume their old lives from the start of the comics
>>144656242The turtles started their own dojo, known to everyone in Mutant Town. And Jennika, who was part of it, is currently part of a world-traveling tour group.
>>144656242>>144656273Also Raph has a criminal profile at NYPD.
>>144656242The EPF and cops know them directly and by name. They aren't known internationally, but they're not exactly a well-kept secret, either. Especially not after mutant town and everyone they interacted with there, where they made no effort to hide that they were reincarnated japanese children who were brought back as lab turtles that got mutated.
>>144656290Ya know, that might be how this warden find out about him. Hm.
>>144656328Then I was wrong.
>>144656369Well, wrong about it being a plot hole as to why Raph is in prison. But I stand by the other things.
>>144656396It's at least somewhat clear that somehow the warden in a Californian prison had influence in New Mexico to protect a mutant, who technically isn't even a registered citizen, when the EPF is still around, but otherwise they made some effort to explain that he's in prison to do favors for the warden, I guess.
Surprised at how much I liked this
>>144657674That runs into another problem which runs along similar lines as the Grant Morrison problem for New X-Men.Mutant Town is in New York. The Mutagen Bomb blew in New York during a rally. At the most, maybe north of a hundred people along with random animals were mutated by the bomb.You could squint your eyes and accept that there were enough people to make a concentration camp called "Mutant Town." But what happened to make it so that their numbers were big enough to make it into an official Borough? Or how society as a whole got comfortable enough to have mutants running around and mingling with the human population? And why would a random warden have the kind of pull necessary to get a mutant into a California prison with no questions asked? With how rare mutants should be?At least with Mirage, the Turtles were passing themselves off as aliens after the Utrons made their presence known to humanity and the existence of alien life at large.Someone tell me that I'm missing something.
>>144658176Apparently gas from the bomb wandered out further than planned, causing more mutations.
>>144658176The Mutant Town population was indirectly retconned after issue 100 to be a large cloud of mutagenic gas that floated eastwards across a couple square miles of Manhattan for an undisclosed period of time. There were plans, for a short while, to expand it to being big enough to cover all of Manhattan, which would then be walled off, Escape From New York style, but the editors talked Campbell down to a small neighborhood of several thousand people. At the time, they assumed they'd only be killing time for a year, and then it turned into 3, and then another year of clusterfuck crossover event comics, and then another year after that to wrap to #150.You get a sense for just how poorly the whole thing was planned out because Waltz wrote in the M-Bomb plot and had no clear ideas for it. There wasn't even a specific character that he wanted to mutate for plot reasons, since it was all nobodies, and background characters that got hit. Campbell wrote in Mona, Lita, and other key mutant townies after the fact. Waltz had no use for them. No use for Jennika either, who is now so removed from the story that her entire character can be summed up as "I'm in a band and I'm not going to be around for a while"They could have gone really deep into the whole idea. I think it's genuinely got potential to go to some really cool places, and it didn't.. and then it got resolved and handwaved away because IDW was, at the time, cruising for total bankruptcy. Then they cut a new deal with Paramount, and they went and scoured the slate clean for a total reboot-that's-not-actually-a-reboot, only now they're revisiting the mutant town idea as a racism allegory and ignoring anything that happened in the last 2-5 years, except for the M-Bomb itself.
>>144658311How far did it travel? How many people and animals have been transformed since the detonation? How much of the chemicals or gas in the bomb dissipate since the bomb blew? Did whatever chemicals or gas in the bomb go into the environment/water/atmosphere?Or is this one of those "stop thinking and enjoy the ride" kind of deals?
>>144658529The latter.
>>144658571Goddammit.
>>144658529This was published in the back of one of the mutant town issues. It's explained beforehand that they loaded it with DNA templates that Null had created, so that's why everyone turned into normal, functional furries, but handwaved the idea that any animals, pets, birds, insects, etc would be mutated.... with the sole exception being an eel that turned into a bigger eel monster, and a small pool in a sewer full of some weird wildlife that weren't fully changed into anything.
Wait for Nightwatcher. Thats the one covering all the New York mutant stuff.
>>144658608I knew about the bomb, and I knew that Hob was the one who did it and I knew about the concentration camp. But I didn't know the full details.And the more I learn, the less it makes sense.>>144658657This sounds like something that shouldn't be tied to one character but a TMNT Universe comic type of deal where they flesh out how shit works in this not-reboot.
>>144658757Mutant Nation is basically the new version of Universe. Nightwatcher is...I dunno.
>>144658657The FCBD issue did not inspire confidence. It was very heavyhanded with it's >MUH RACISM>MUH COLONIALISM>MUH CULTURAL APPROPRIATIONmessaging.
>>144651419How does someone with finely honed "shadow warrior" senses manage to miss someone killing and dumping a body 12 inches from where he's sitting?
>>144658757>And the more I learn, the less it makes sense.It's because it doesn't make sense and all the things you'd expect from a premise built around thousands of people being mutated in direct, open, bio-terrorism attack just don't get explored. Like, you'd think Old Hob would be the most wanted man in the world after what he did, right? Nope. He's now a morally gray anti-hero according to the story and he has an entire island of loyal mutant followers. Maybe they'll add retro-mutagen into the story and explore people desperate for a cure? Well, actually they kinda did, but then didn't. It happened in a Jennika mini-series, turned out to be a confusing fakeout, and was literally never mentioned or acknowledged ever again.They could have new problems from mutated gang members and criminals cying for power inside Mutant Town, right? Nah. Not really. 5 years later, the closest thing we've seen in a separate mini-series is a gang that had a whale mutant as one of their thugs.I get why they're coming back to it and trying to use it more in this relaunch era, since it's pretty much a free pass to introduce as many new mutant characters as they need, but all it really does is reinforce that they kinda didn't do enough with Mutant Town when they had the chance.
>>144659659Too busy monologuing internally about what a finely honed rage-filled badass he is
>>144658992Considering the history of forced internment in the US, both with the concentration camps during WW2 and the forced internment of immigrants in the last 5-6 years, it's not out of place to write about. Whether its' good or bad is up to the skill of the writer.>>144660275If anything, I think that Mutant Town should have been retconned in the not-reboot.Assuming that somehow only American citizens were caught in the transformation, Hob committed an act of bio-terrorism and forcibly transformed 1,000's of people against their will into mutants. And the first thing the American government does is ignore their rights, ignore that this is a public event and there are people recording what's going on, and then decides to segregate them from the general population in a concentration camp.I mean, the question of whether or not the American citizens who were mutated lost their rights as American citizens is bad enough (which gets worse if there were dual citizens and immigrants caught in the mutation). If you look at Bebop and Rocksteady and how dangerous they are, and now you have thousands of potential Bebop's and Rocksteady's with incredible strength and durability in one space... What stops the US government from declaring American citizens into non-citizens and turning them into weapons? Dropping off the biggest and strongest into foreign nations and telling them to run amok?
Campbell's run was so ass that having Aaron writing the book is a marked improvement.Absolute state of IDW TMNT.
Geez this story was shit. So many plot holes and sloppy action. Sloppy all around. Fuck this franchise.
>>144661295The Nightwatcher thing isn't really about the internment camp/locked in a ghetto issue. It's more gritty noir solilquy where Nightwatcher is pissed at some guys robbing an abandoned bank in Mutant Town (which no one else decided to loot already even though it's been years) where he starts going off about culture and land and art and culture and other shit that reeks of themes and social justice ideas that do not map to the actual storyline.I could kinda see there being a reasonable story about mutants being unable to reintegrate into society because of their new bodies and appearances. The difficulties that follow having to live for several years as a squatter would ruin anyone's career prospects and destroy their relationships with other people. There's something there to explore... But Nightwatcher seething about it this way doesn't make any fucking sense.
>>144661467That is really bad writing.From the looks of it, maybe two years has passed since the bomb. That is nowhere near enough time segregated from the general, unmutated population to develop a new society. Even if they don't have full access to the bells and whistles most people do.As you wrote, it would have made more sense if the story was about mutants who couldn't rejoin society due to their mutation. But the narration makes it sound like a new society was formed when they struggled just to have an election and their "society" consists of gangs in a cold war with one another.But this is one page, so I don't know how the full story is laid out.
>>144661330I think it should be said the writing quality gap between Jason Aaron and Sophie is pretty staggering. The plot of this issue was a simple one (Raph in jail, the Foot killing criminals, etc), but the writing and script was so good it elevates it. The dialogue feels better, the scenes flow one to another better, it has better pacing, etc.Sophie's writing is ok in small doses, but when she writes arcs continuously her pacing is all over the place, let alone the content. It feels like she took forever to get to the next plot point while having the characters talk about their feelings in dialogue over and over again. Meanwhile this issue did a LOT in just the same 20ish pages.
>>144661844It's one half of the 2024 Free Comic Book Day TMNT issue, if you want to look it up. It's only 8 pages long though. Here's the following pages.
>>144661895First few pages are>some guys who appear to be mutants sneaking into a place while narration boxes talk about the Mutagen Bomb and people being treated as "others">next page, 3 guys talking about robbing a bank and how they don't want to be around when "that thing" shows up.>Narration boxes keep going on about the others being purged and exploited. Something about "the soul of a people" turning into something tangible as Nightwatcher shows up>next page, fight breaks out. Nightwatcher beats on the 3 guys and narrates some more stuff about how he's rage, a shield, a spear, etc>next page, more fighting, more nightwatcher narration about being angry. One guy gets punched so hard his horse head spins around>next page, more fighting off-screen. Two guys knocked out.>then this page>>144661467
>>144661892Hello CyberCubed.
>>144661892>I think it should be said the writing quality gap between Jason Aaron and Sophie is pretty staggering.I feel like you're overselling it. It's 90% internal monologuing that amounts to "I'm Raph and I'm angry and I'm a ninja and prison sucks and I'm lonely and I'm angry -- Oh no. Ninjas!" and that's being carried by Jones's art more than anything.Not that Campbell was especially good, either, but I don't think any issue was truly that bad on a surface level. Certainly bad in terms of internal logic or plot execution, but no worse written than any of the shit Waltz shat out for 10 years and became IDW's golden boy for.
>>144661983If the Nightwatcher is insane, then it might make sense. Possibly a human projecting their own ideas onto the mutants of Mutant Town. That's the way I would take it. I would have the Nightwatcher become so wrapped up in their delusions about what the mutants are "supposed to be that they eventually attack other mutants that seek to reassimilate with the humans along with attacking any human that steps into Mutant Town in their misguided effort to keep Mutant Town "pure."
>>144662166Its probably Future Raph. Who is indeed of questionable mental stability.
>>144662326I'm going to assume this has something to do with Armaggon now being a time traveling shark. Because I'm trying to catch up and I feel more and more out of my depth.
>>144662428You would be correct.
>>144655423A U MOTHERFUCKIN NINJJAS!
>>144662620Then it would make sense. An insane and time-displaced Raphael wouldn't be able to see the Mutant Town for what it is now, but what it will be and the struggles it would have to deal with as it grew into being (what I assume) would be the epicenter of mutant-kind in the future.
>>144651440>>144651443Feels like they skipped a page here of Raph kicking ass
>>144651446>>144651453No NYC bridge ever that empty at any time at night. He didn't need ninjas for this part, he needed crooked cops. Hell, it makes even less sense if it's ninjas, especially mute ones, someone who works with cops as much as a DA would know they're not cops.But Manhattan would be in way better shape right now if the second place (large field) finisher in the Democratic primary had the first place finisher thrown off a bridge.
>>144662912There's a few too many points where Raph just teleports because the story says he needs to be somewhere he wouldn't easily be able to get.
Not a bad start tho i wonder how the other issues will hold since it will focus on each turtle and see where they are and what they are doing
What a waste, they never try to explore IDW Raph just want to stay away from fighting and become a farmer or something. "Anger clouds the mind..." He's being completely misused over and over again. Raph is tough guy but that not mean he should always be forced involved in aggressive stereotypical "manly" activities.>>144653220I'm so tired of this. The reason why they always make the turtles go their separate ways is to find a reason to reunite them later, such as a major threat. It should be like Hellboy, the Turtles each face the dangers they encounter without rely on other brothers, and this should be a long-term story.
>>144663234>It should be like Hellboy, the Turtles each face the dangers they encounter without rely on other brothers, and this should be a long-term story.So, the new cartoon based on the Rogen movie?
>>144663234I considered it for it to be a form of self punishment as Raphael currrently believes he belongs in prison
>>144663234This is also jumping off the longest running TMNT comic and we've done SO FUCKING MUCH of angry loner Raph already. We've already seen him pushed to the breaking point and grow more mature for it. There's maybe some lingering guilt about his hand in causing Mutant Town to happen, but I'm pretty sure he got over that too.
Remind you that Karai was possessed by a dragon because she want the power to defeat her enemies(including the turtles) at any cost. Now, she can teleport just like Rise Leo and create magical weapons. Yes, her magic is more useful than the turtle's plot devices magic. What can I say? IDW writers love other characters more than the turtles.
>>144663434Zodi's hard reverse on what little character arc she was allowed to have at the end of Armageddon Game was also disappointing. I guess we're supposed to get hyped for brainwashed mecha-zodi to show up in a couple years.
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>>144663836Karai new mini story ends. Look like she will be the major villain in the new story arc, let hope she won't get away with it this time, I really don't want to see them use the similar excuse(evil sword) again.
>>144663882I thought this mini-series was supposed to be about Karai and her crew of tertiary characters going on a hike through the Thin Places? Instead it's an elaborate reason for her to be evil again after they spend all that time trying to prove she was a redeemed, morally complex anti-hero who only cares about the honor of her clan or some shit.
>>144664143To be fair, pre-volume 4 Mirage Karai was the one trying to bring the renegade members of the Foot down and made the peace treaty with the Turtles. I don't know why Laird started to reverse that with the later volumes, but she was honorable at one point in the Mirage version.But 2003 Karai was the worst of them all, and I wish people didn't ship Leo with her. It's probably the worst pairing outside of the 2012 Karai and Leo.
Don't forget that how cheap Shredder's redemption. He should prioritize admitting to Karai and other foot members that his past philosophy was a mistake and try to fix it, rather than being the turtle's fairy godmother. Also, the turtles all had reasons to reject Shredder's request, before that they always tries to find other ways to solve the problem. It' doesn't make sense that all the turtles agree to be his students.
>>144664577Even Image Karai continues the story of Mirage Karai. In the Image TMNT, she temporarily quit the Foot Clan was because she had to take care of her brain-dead daughter. She is also assassinating any foot ninja who wanted to target the turtles.
>>144658395waltz had an idea for a big mutant explosion,, and campbell really really wanted to do a shitty slice of life furry comic with race allegories in it is basically what happened.
>>144664884I think 1-50 was good, 51-100 were better then half of tmnt comics, 101-150 were ass with like one or two issues that in a bubble were kind of cool
>>144651391how the fuck did raph get a prison uniform under his shell
>>144664938I think the only reason why they didn't have him just tie the jumpsuit around his waist was so they could do the "I hid an entire library of books under my prison suit" reveal during the fight... which is kinda dumb. But all the more reason why he should just be wearing a bigger suit OVER his fucking shell.
>>144664938From the looks of her work, the artist is a skilled craftswoman. But I don't think she's used to drawing the Turtles and isn't used to thinking of their shells when she's doing the underdrawings of the Turtles or when she's putting the finishing touches on them. And the colorist didn't correct it and the editor didn't point it out and here we are.
>>14466492251-100 is unironically worse than the Mutant Town era, but equally bad as the Armaggon last-minute clusterfuck. I don't know why anyone praises the period where the comic was the most overstuffed with extraneous, unresolved plotlines, character assassination left and right, retarded morality preaching that makes no fucking sense for anyone involved, and then capping the whole thing off with a big retarded event that is about 3 dozen different poorly executed plots that just go fucking nowhere before just stopping dead and leaving the comic in such bad shape that they just never looked back on any of it until Shredder needed to be around for Armageddon game.
>>144663935>Her sensei sacrifice himself to save her. >Karai still hunger for power, and sees the turtles as her rivals because they knew too many secret of ninja magic.This mini-series is fucking pointless. Especially what's the point of having Casey be Karai's advisor? He had no influence on Karai's actions in this storyl
>>144651414>c'mon, Raph>you my mugga, aint you?
>>144663283This is actually a tribute to Jason Aaron's Punisher.
I haven't read the the IDW run since I lost interest with the Triceraton invasion. I take it took a nosedive since?
>>144651371Is that popular male feminist Jason Aaron? What can go wrong?
Some questions I'm left with after issue #1:- Is Carmichael actually dead?- What is Hale's big plan with Karai?- And of course, what are the other Ninjas up to?
>>144651371It actually feels weird to be reading TMNT again without body positive lesbian self-inserts being rubbed in my face every other page.
>>144651453It seem this is another repeat of "City Fall" or "City at War". >>144653032I'm tired of they always make the turtles like the puppets in the plots. They're just some shit cape heroes, not real shadow warrior or even wuxia heroes
>>144651371thanks
>>144651371The art's good. The premise of Raph's story is dumb.
>>144653226Everyone who collects weapons knows tacti-cool shitty swords when we see them.
>>144666092It's so tedious because it's just a repeat of the last time Karai wanted to seize power for herself.>be disgraced loser with dwindling resources>run to Japan for some reason>pick a fight with another gang>go to the magic MacGuffin cave to get some dangerous magic bullshit >give a speech about her destiny and how she's ready to set things right>return to New York to start some vague criminal shit mostly because Karai is pissy that she's not respected for being the world's worst ninja crime boss.Only last time, it all went to shit because she was angry that she couldn't keep a bunch of orphans as her slaves, even though she was going to be given total control of the Foot Clan anyways, and also Kitsune was there causing trouble in the background so she could revive Shredder.
>>144669812They might do something like "Shredder will let the dragon possess him again, Karai will be saved, and Shredder will turn into a villain again". What a great sacrifice this is? Nah, it just make Splinter's death more fucking pointless.
>>144670206And then Venus, via more spirit world nonsense, will revive Splinter AND Tang Shen, and also Jennika will come home, and they'll all fight Super Ninja Dragon God Shredder together with the Hamato Clan's secret ninja magic that Saki was never allowed to learn.Also, what happened to that shit with Ninja magic not being usable in front of non-ninjas and needing to "INVOKE AND REVOKE" every time they summon their one gimmick power that was supposed to be custom tailored to their personalities and their personal problems?
>>144670256>Leo's ninja magic is summon his dark self.>Dark Leo was still that cringe Foot Leo.>Shredder say this Dark Leo was not brainwashing, it is Leo's nature.This is really stupid, are they try to tell me that Leo actually hate his family and want to join with Foot Clan? Why cann't we have a new Dark Leo who is actually loyal to his family, except he is more paranoid, will do anything to achieve his goals, and has a death wish.
>>144670747No, I think it just means Leo has a darker, "go ape shit" side that he works to repress.
>>144670762So why does he have to become foot ninja? Leo is an angry man, but that doesn't mean he will become a morally incomprehensible jerk. He is not Shredder.
>>144670996Because they already had the design.
>>144670747I sincerely don't get how "version of you that's an asshole and distrusts your whole family because of magic paranoia so you trust your greatest enemy instead" is a magic power.
Turtle Power!
Bumping cause I liked reading it
>>144672286https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO15MECJEqE
