the same way i always do: refuse to give dc a single dime

Pretty well, they are the worst Robins.

>Tim completely turbofucked just by a younger character showing up and taking the mantle
>Jason having only one decent story to his name that keeps getting repeated a billion times in other media

>>145128549
By being a Marvel fan and never spending a dime on DCuck shit

>>145128549
By reading fan fictions where Tim gets fucked hard by Bernard, who intentionally gives him AIDS, and Steph goes between teasing Tim "Well you asked for this" and supporting him a poz.

>>145129305
that sounds pretty unlikely considering how little tim/bernard smut there is.

>>145129215
>>Jason having only one decent story to his name that keeps getting repeated a billion times in other media
That one story is still better than anything Dick or Damian has.

>>145129215
That’s one more good story than all of Dick’s put together.

>>145128549
The less they get used the less they get ruined.
>>145129215
You mean the best.

>>145129401
It's tough gal. Just not enough smut of Tim getting his ass ruined.

>>145130064
that's definitely true. comics in general have really failed to capture the interest of new fujos (probably doesn't help that marvel/dc go out of their way to do shit they won't like, like only trotting out the gay characters once a year and constantly drawing hot guys ugly), and the old ones aren't productive enough to manage the genre on top of their other duties.

>>145129666
That's just not true, though.
Dick has his intro arc, his "let's help Bruce remember how to smile" arc, the Dynamic Duo and World's Finest eras, his O.G. Teen Titans arc, the "oh shit girls exist" arc with Batgirl, the college era, the iconic New Teen Titans era and his "fuck you batman you're not my real dad and i'm nightwing now" arc, DickBats round 1, Bludhaven, Blockbuster, DickBats round 2, Agent of Spyral...
He's been around for 84 years, he's got plenty of stories worth telling. Only a handful have been adapted, but they're there.

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>>145130064
Artists have long recognized Tim is a subby gay
> Tim Drake's body language that has caught my eye...Bruce has decided to go out and follow a lead on Two-Face and is discussing this with Tim, who was already in the cave when Bruce arrived downstairs. In the first panel, you can see that Tim is in a casual pose. His back is more or less straight, his head is slightly tilted, his feet are kicked under the bench and his hands are just flopped in his lap. In this same panel, Bruce is starting to get changed out of his civilian clothes and into his uniform. In the next panel, Tim is pointedly looking away from Bruce, and though he is still sitting up straight the tone of his body language has altered significantly. Now Tim's ankles are crossed, though his knees are still spread, and his hands are purposefully placed in front of his crotch, the left one holding the right in a somewhat nervous, uncertain gesture. Bruce, in this same panel, has stripped down to his underwear and is adjusting his jock strap, still not looking at Tim. In the final panel, Tim is looking back at Bruce, his chin is a little higher set but his body is now leaning against the wall behind him. Most significantly, his arms are crossed with his hands gripping his own upper-arms in a hug, another nervous, and this time self-protective, gesture. Yet, in contrast, his feet are now planted on the ground in front of him and his legs are spread wide, his reclining position now subconsciously presenting his crotch to Batman. Batman, meanwhile, is completely dressed and adjusting his cowl. In three panels we have managed to establish certain things about their characters that have nothing to do with the dialogue. First, we have established that Batman is far too engrossed in his own thoughts to pay any attention to Tim beyond basic conversation. Second, we have established that Tim is both a healthy adolescent male and also subconsciously sending Bruce signals that he is attracted to him.

>>145130261
those are all stories notable for their historical value but not quality. All those Golden Age stories are slogs to read, the the "oh shit girls exist" arc with Batgirl" doesn't really exist, do you mean in Batman Family? Dick had already dated girls by then. the Titans stories also aged poorly.

>>145130153
I'm just a gay fan who wants to self insert as a fag and have fujos fetishize me is that so wrong?
Tim is my favorite so it was literally perfect and DC just fucking can't.

>>145130343
too much softboy shit these days, like we've gone back to the dark ages of chicks with dicks but also there's no loving rape.
the twunks need more exposure in general to get people interested.

>>145130436
Clearly you're enlightened and understand the nuance. Like at least give me the dub con, if you're going to make them completely femboys can I at least get the rapey vibes?
Tim is a perfect bottom muscle twink for his gay boyfriend whose slightly more feminine. The west is yet again so far behind manga, this time in terms of gay sex. God damn it.

Did you guys like Juni Ba’s take on the Robins? I thought it was pretty touching.

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>>145130064
There's actually a lot of it.
>>145129401
That's because no one likes that worthless little shit Bernard.

>>145130603
What do you think it'd be like if Tim got paired with Ives?

>>145128549
I miss Jason...
Don't really care about Tim tho

>>145130633
Please, as if any of DC's current crop of writers even remembers Ives, or any of Tim's other non-hero friends.

>>145130633
Who the fuck is Ives? Unless Tim's twunk ass is getting pounded by a bara chad like Conner or Jason there is absolutely no point.

>>145130603
yeah but if you're going to write them (and people have been, somewhat surprisingly) the least you can do is take advantage of their safe adulthood and come up with mindbending pornography to jazz things up

>>145130750
I disagree, a more feminine guy topping him is hot as fuck, there's some power dynamics there.

>>145128549
don't care. All of the bat characters have been ruined anyway except like Alfred and things will never get better. Just remember the good times

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>>145130786
Anon I-

>>145130768
Men shouldn't be feminine.

>>145130861
sometimes death is peace especially nowadays

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>>145130750
Tim's first best friend. One of many blonde friends in his life. Dixon sort of forgot about him and replaced him with Wesley, a blonde kid at the boy's school Tim was at for a lot longer than people would thing. Then Ives came back for a bit with Jon Lewis. And then Bernard. And then probably some fucker in Beechen's run, but who cares about that. Then Dixon came back for a minute and remembered Ives and gave him cancer. No longer blonde, he soon was forgotten again.

>>145130895
i think it's mildly interesting how artist-dependent this particular case is. in ortega or rossmo's hands, bernard is definitely the more feminine cute type of boy compared to tim, but with moore and some others it's more balanced or even reversed.

>>145130993
If they actually cared they could do so much with these faggots

>>145128549
I'm really not bothered by two faggots missing from publication

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>>145130993
Tim was the bottom here

>>145128549

Jason should have never been resurrected
Damien should never have been created
Tim should have never been made gay

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>>145129215
>they are the worst Robins.
Not while these guys exist

>>145132231
>Damien
*Damian

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>>145132267
These guys aren't official Robins, that's how DC gets away with ignoring Duke whenever they have an "All Robins" moment.

>>145130290
man that is some IMPRESSIVELY autistic analysis

>>145130153
>>145130436
>>145130463
Finally, some people who fucking understand me.

>>145130992
>"date"
>he has the gay earring
hmmmmm

>>145132182
definitely

>>145132507
the gay earring is on the wearer's right ear. left ear was just 20th century cool guy.

>>145132598
i forgot how images work for a second mb

>>145130992
I like the coloring here. late 90s early 00s coloring was so good

>>145133406
I disliked the overuse of gradient and airbrush sometimes but yeah it was nice and bright. Shit is too unsaturated and dark now.

>>145128549
Pretty well. I'm ready for DC to forget about Jason's existence by now since he's the only reason I bother checking DC.

>>145130497
Touching? You mean demonic?

>>145128549
Doesn't Jason have a book right now and another that it's going be announced soon? And I think Tim already appeared in Task flop.

>>145133966
I disliked how they had Jason have scars. How it makes sense for a guy who wears a hamlet to have a very badly scared face?

>>145133985
And how they made Jason scared of the Joker. Safe to say I truly disliked this take on Jason.

Why the other thread was deleted?
>84 would be easy within 3-4 years
That panel was from n52 where Batman has been Batman for 5 years so Jason has been Red Hood for what? 3 months? It completely impossible for him to do that. Even in pre-flashpoint, Jason has been Red Hood for only a year.

>>145134050
It seems that some writers had hard times understanding that years in DCU doesn't = years in real life.

>>145134050
do you mean the thread from a day or two ago? a bunch of boards got purged due to some mod tripping over the power cord.

>>145133985
>How it makes sense for a guy who wears a hamlet to have a very badly scared face?
It's meant to be SYMBOLIC anon.

>>145133985
>Doesn't Jason have a book right
No? The Hill already ended.
There is that Robin Lives book currently out tho, and a sequel to Robin and Batman starring Jason as Robin, but nothing in the present main canon with current Red Hood Jason.

>>145133985
>Tim already appeared in Task flop.
Everyone's showing up there, the point is that he doesn't have any current ongoing or mini where he's a main character.

>>145134178
>hamlet

>>145134182
It's still a JASON book. Regardless whether he is Robin or Red Hood.

>>145134178
Symbolic for what?

>>145134050
Maybe he just loves killing people because he’s a dangerous psychopathic individual.

>>145134337
No matter how much of psychopath he was, it's still impossible for him to accomplish that.

>>145134050
>Even in pre-flashpoint, Jason has been Red Hood for only a year.
Less really. Jason wasn't active much after UTH until Morrison's run and even then he was only active for a very little time before he was thrown in jail.

>>145134326
Symbolic for his emotional scars, it's not exactly subtle.

>>145134337
Red Hood is what Gotham City needs, not Batman.

>>145134395
I know, but I was waiting for you to write it to realize how stupid it sounds. This kind of idiotic symbolism doesn't work for a character that wears helmet as one of their main features. Readers aren't that stupid that they needs a visual representation of Jason's suffering.

>>145134345
Not true. He’s been shown to not care who he hits when he opened fire on a gathering of people. He was able to find and behead like eight men in a few hours. He’s a mass murderer and therefore kills lots of people.. Maybe he forgot to take his meds and went on a few killing sprees we didn’t see. I would believe it because he’s a fucking sicko.
>>145134396
A deranged psycho who kills you without hesitation? Imagine being in the wrong place at the wrong time and before you can even try to explain he’s already filled you with lead. If he really wants to abide by his rules of killing to prevent suffering he should kill himself because he is a hundred times more dangerous of a criminal than the random goons he offs.

>>145134461
>I would believe it because he’s a fucking sicko
I mean, you also believe that Bruce hates Jason and doesn't see him as a son despite how many times you were shown examples that proves you otherwise. So, I can't exactly take your word for it.

>>145134442
>>145134395
>>145134178
>>145133985
Seeing as it gave him white eyes and made him look like a corpse crawling out covered in bandages I’d guess that the scars are from him dying and the pit in this one didn’t heal them because the artist wanted to make him look rougher than the rest to differentiate him from the lineup and display his personality of being literally “rough around the edges”

>>145134496
Dude I’m pretty sure the guy who hates mass murderers, hates this mass murderer especially seeing as he’s not repentant of what he has done and thinks he’s in the right. Call him his son if you’d like but that’s just cold hard facts.

>>145134461
>A deranged psycho who kills you without hesitation?
If he only kills criminals, why should I worry if I'm not one?

>>145134533
He’s unstable and insane and would not be able to correctly discern who is guilty and deserving of an instant death or not. Why would anyone be okay with a crazed violent individual who should be institutionalized running around enacting the death penalty on people he thinks are criminals? He is far more dangerous than many of these people and should kill himself if he cares so much about bad people dying.

>>145134521
They aren't facts, they are your headcanons. We know for a FACT that he doesn't hate him (actually he flat out said he loves him) and considering him his son. We also know that the only time Jason really went in killing spree was in he was jail. Since then, he no longer has done that and barely kills nowadays.

>>145134461
>>145134571
>>145134337
You have so much anger for a fictional character. Take a deep breath and try to chill because I promise, he isn't real.

>>145134581
He’s called him a failure and a mistake far more times than that though kek. And beaten the shit out of him for being a scumbag criminal plenty of times. That piece of shit deserves all the shit he gets. Don’t insult his character by genuinely claiming he loves him. There’s genuine hatred and guilt there for having a hand in creating that psycho. Even if he’s on meds now and banned from killing people it’s bound to happen again.

>>145134595
Anon people have been able to get away with that “Jason was right” bullshit narrative for far too long ignoring that he should be the first dangerous criminal he kills. He’s a hypocrite and genuinely insane. Not mad just stating the facts.

>>145134636
>He’s called him a failure and a mistake far more times
No, he didn't. He called Jason's death HIS failure and mistake. Aso, I echo that guy's sentiment, freaking chill. You are taking this more seriously than it deserves and definitely more so than DC. "Insulting Batman", what a joke.

>>145134659
You are obsessed. You literally in every Jason or any thread that mentions him to rant about him for an hour. Get over yourself. Hating a fictional character that much is pathetic.

>>145134670
That’s like his thing though being the failure. Jasonfags are the ones who take this shit too seriously acting like his bad treatment is somehow undeserved.

>>145134687
>everyone who criticizes my wholesome ethical murderer is the same guy
I don’t even hate him I just think his fangirls are retarded. He was not and never will be right about anything.

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>>145134571
>He’s unstable and insane and would not be able to correctly discern who is guilty and deserving of an instant death or not.
Read comics

>>145134690
Don't go around twisting words. Whether it his thing or not, Batman didn't call him failure or mistake like you claimed.

And you really need to look in the mirror sometimes.

>>145134715
>I don’t even hate him
Oh boy. You supposedly don't hate him and yet you are that triggered about him. I can only imagine how you would behave if you did.

>>145134717
>this guy I knew for a few years is actually my FATHER and he OWED it to me to KILL someone and because he didn’t I’m going to KILL him
>hmm wait never mind maybe I won’t push this button and blow him up I want to make sure he sees me when I kill him so he knows that it was me
Yeah this is a stable and lucid person who should be allowed to enact the death penalty on the spot in the streets

>>145134740
If a character or a work has a hater that obsessed, it's a sign that they are doing something right.

>>145134740
I just don’t get why people are so delusional about him and his motives. He had ample opportunity to do what you people think he stands for, kill the joker, and he didn’t because that’s not the real reason why he did all that shit.

>>145134718
Calling him his mistake and his failure is still calling him a mistake and a failure dude. He feels responsible for him ending up that way because he taught him. Jason would never take any of that responsibility even though he made all those choices and willingly went down that path.

>>145134775
Nice to see you finally acknowledging that you were wrong about Jason.

>>145134825
You don't need to understand nor like it. I personally can't understand how can anyone likes Taylor's Nightwing which is painful read from a writing perspective, but I don't have meltdowns over it. You don't really realize how unhinged your posts are about a character in cape comics no less. Your anger is way over the top.

>>145134846
>>145134862
You’re right Jason sisters. He should just be allowed to kill people en masse just because daddy didn’t love him enough and he thinks these small time criminals can’t be rehabilitated. It didn’t work for him so why should it work for anyone else? Or because Bruce was mean to him. Who cares that some of these bodies on the ground might be innocent? Jason looks really cool with those guns and he’s sticking it to the (bat)man and that’s all that matters. Bruce hitting Jason and lobotomizing him is a hecking abuse and he’s a horrible man hurting an innocent violent criminal.

>>145134842
The more I read your posts, the more convinced that you don't read any comic with Jason. He doesn't blame Batman, he only wondered why the Joker is alive when he would have killed him if the roles were reversed and it was only in UTH. Jason didn't bring it up nor asked Batman about it ever again. He doesn't even blame anyone and only himself. I know I'm asking too much from you, but can you stop commenting on him when you clearly don't know much about him?

>>145128549
I miss seeing Jason and Tim together again. I missed their brotherhood.

>>145134992
They had a comic together last year and I thought it was nice. They also teamed up a lot in WFA.

>>145134970
If he didn’t blame him he wouldn’t have been plotting to kill him only going back on his original plan because he wanted him to see his face as he killed him so he’d know it was him. The entire reason he came back and started taking over the drug trade was so he could get his attention and teach him a lesson. He was gleeful and excited when he first got to take his helmet off. He genuinely believed he was in the right. He says he doesn’t blame him for not saving him and that’s good he shouldn’t, but he blames him for not killing that one guy and stopping him from doing it himself.

>>145134992
Jason and Dick broship became the focus nowadays. I guess because a lot of fans prefer them.

>>145135076
I don’t get that because Dick and Tim were closer and more like brothers than Jason ever was with either of them.

>>145135076
I'm surprised that we hardly have any Damian and Jason foucs stories despite how many fan arts they have. Even more so than I have seen of Dick and Damian.

>>145135108
They have couple of stories, but their relationship is indeed unexplored. Damian in general doesn't really have much of relationship with the family besides Dick.

>>145135108
Females are the ones who make the majority of the fanart so numbers aren’t indicative of how many fans each has but just which ones they find hotter. For example Jason doesn’t have many actual fans but many females find him hot hence all the fanart by Koreans and fan made merchandise that gets sold.

>>145135076
I'm cool with it because it's much better than forcing them as rivals which to me doesn't work.

>>145135132
Even Dick, he barely hang out with him nowadays.

>>145135132
Kek, I noticed that and it's usually Damian fans who draw them together. They clearly see potential in their relationship.

Personally I prefer Damian x Tim, with it starting as puberty hits Damian hard.
I’m even down for Damian x Steph x Tim if feeling feisty

>>145135132
When you put it that way, yeah. Damian does feel like an outsider.

>>145135194
He was super excited over having a (clone) brother which makes it clear that he doesn't see the Robins as his family.

>>145135210
I thought it was silly and I really don't like Williamson's Damian.

>>145135076
Oh yeah. These two have so much appearances together these days and that includes manga.

>>145135299
Manga, shows, games...etc. Probably because they are the most popular Robins and their relationship is interesting.

>>145135330
What relationship?

>>145135299
How the new manga? Is it good?

>>145135387
Personally, I liked it and Jason being a private detective is an interesting new take. It also interesting to see how Jason take Dick under his wing and him being closer to Bruce's age.

>>145135408
Dick is younger?

>>145135437
Yes. If you don't mind spoilers Jason basically sacrificed himself to save Dick and made sure Batman would take him after his death.

>>145135464
How Jason and Bruce relationship in this verse? I wonder how a mangaka would write it.

>>145135136
>Jason doesn’t have many actual fans
Wrong. He's the only Robin with any mainstream appeal and has more fans overall than 99% of DC characters.

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>>145128549
Keep Todd away

>>145135615
Jason was always a murderer wasn’t he?

robinfags are almost as big a cancer as the batgirl coomers

>>145135598
Dick is the only one with mainstream appeal and it’s only because of the TT cartoons and the fact that he’s the OG. Jason on the other hand is possibly less popular than Tim who used to be fairly well known. One of these fuckers really needs to be on the theaters screen soon.

>>145135615
>Batman seething over the death of a rapist.
KWAB

>>145135684
Dick only has mainstream appeal as being Robin, not being Dick. Robin is most of the recognizable characters but only as a mantle; to most people all the Robins are interchangeable. Jason is the only one that is liked independently of being a Robin.

>>145135512
It's more of buddies thing than the usual father/son dynamic since they are closer in age. Basically, Jason is the first person he ever let in since his parents murder and he left a huge impact on him and end up losing because of course. The final message he left him was touching, though. There's another manga that explore their relationship and another that makes a mention of him (Japanese seems to really like him. DC, give Jason to them!).

>>145136206
I have been saying this before. I would love to see a Red Hood manga.

>>145136230
But anon, don’t you want yet another Harley Quinn and Joker pice? They really deserve it!

Tim is never getting out of the hole they put him in.

>>145137576
Bernard is getting into his hole 3-4x a week

>>145137576
>It turns out I wasn't gay, I just had a bad reaction to Scarecrow's new fear toxin formula

>>145137858
Jason and Damian would never not mock him over it

>>145137652
Why are you monkeypoxfags like this?

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>>145138638
I like it but I’m done with the Mortal Kombat mas

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>>145138923
Ah, the figure is sold separately. I'm getting the bike for my Rebirth Red Hood

>>145138961
Man whatever happened to the Redwing

>>145139148
Whats the Redwing? Dick's jailbaait alt-future sidekick? Or did you mean the Redbird?

>>145138638
Why does he look evil here

>>145139148
>>145139201
The original redbird had to get sold back to Bruce when Tim's family lost their money and couldn't hold the pretense of having a car anymore.
He had a new one, briefly, that was forgotten about.

>>145139467
Because that was literally the intention when they were designing this costume.

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>>145137576
Thus is the fate of all retconned gay characters. It's a miracle the Supersons movie didn't give Jon a boy crush.

>>145139963
God this is traumatizing as a gay person. The idea of being turned gay by a woman is scary enough, then being forcibly outed.

>>145139492
Isn’t he a good guy now? If they made him a villain again that’s pretty cool though.

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>>145139488
Yeah who cares about the car, lets talk about Redwing and how Nightwing was in his 30s with a teen girlfriend and a teen sidekick.

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>>145140520
Ok sure, I can talk about her to.
Look at this fanart of her butt drawn by the guy who did the Pokemon manga based on the anime that was so lewd it had to get censored in the US release!

>>145140661
Goddamn the New Titans were so fucking bad

>>145139981
I hope Jean gets you too anon

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>>145129305
What do you think of this?

Cover is Tim staring at a mirror in horror as his face is covered with lesions and pustules. There's a caption in the right corner that reads: "Pox In A Butthole!"

It's a PSA about how not to contract monkey pox.

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>>145132182
Tim is masc4masc and doesn't bottom or top...he only practices frotting.

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>>145128549
I hate robin apart from the ginger girl one because she's hot and then red hood i dont understand this guy i'm just confused cause when i hear red hood i think of the joker before he became the joker, but this guy hates the joker yet he's copying him? makes no sense.

>>145141841
Not sure if you're ESL or a child. Jason adopted Joker's old outfit as a mockery to Joker & Batman. Showing his failures are back to haunt him.

>>145134496
I mean in all fairness of one of them were to die Jason would probably be the one he’d be the least torn up about. Once he’s dead he moves on and doesn’t try to get him back.

>>145141998
Lmao, he died recently and Bruce quickly got him back. Also, Bruce lost all of them and yet Jason's death is still the one thing that hurt him the most.

Honestly, do any of you here actually read comics?

>>145142416
>died recently
Yeah but that wasn’t really death. He must have been “dead” for maybe a minute before the serum kicked in and the risk of it not working and him dying was not a dealbreaker. I don’t know if he’d find another way to revive him after that really.
> still the one thing that hurt him the most.
There’s nothing showing that Jason was the son who’s death hurt him the most. He simply stayed dead the longest because he never tried to get him back, he moved on.

>>145128549
Wouldn't know, not nearly stupid enough to spend money on modern big 2 stuff or even let it enter my eyeballs

>>145141686
Monkeypox is more topical but less romanticized than AIDS. Hmmmmm

>>145142566
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about this. You either trolling or really just never touched a comic before. Being this obsessed over this is frankly weird.

>>145142720
isn't the current outbreak being driven by straight people

>>145142754
To each their own. Many people would agree with that point however.

>>145143252

He isn't wrong, tho. Just earlier this year we had an issue that showed Batman's most tragic moments which included his parents, Jason and Alfred's death which wasn't the only time.

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>>145141998
Nah that's Tim. When Tim seemed to have died in rebirth he was like "aw bro that sucks" and moved on. Hell even in Dixon's run in Joker's last laugh, it looks like Tim died at one point when a skeleton with his costume washes up, and Bruce is like "welp that sucks,but we gotta keep going". While Steph is panicking that her boyfriend is now a skeleton.

>>145143356
is that page supposed to reflect your claim? it looks like just another take on the standard "batman won't kill no matter how ridiculous it makes him look"

>>145143356
Reminder that only Tomasi had Batman going crazy over Damian. Both Morrison and Snyder said that he was ok and it wasn't the same situation with Jason.

>>145143319
Do you have the page? That’s pretty interesting. I hope they bring him back him being dead is so shitty.
>>145143356
Tim or Jason then poor dude. Always getting the short stick.

>>145143445
Not only that, we actually had a moment in Rebirth where Batman was remembering his saddest moments which were of course about his parents and Jason which happened after he lost Damian.

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Next time Jason gets pulled from the rubble of a warehouse I want him looking unrecognizable and crispy so Batman can think to himself
>there's no way lil bro coming back from dis:skull:
making the reveal all the more shocking and dramatic

>>145143356
>and Bruce is like "welp that sucks,but we gotta keep going". While Steph is panicking that her boyfriend is now a skeleton
Kek, classic Batman.

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>>145143385
He literally sees what he thinks is Tim's skeleton wash up and just matter of factly says the kid is dead. This is a far cry from him cradling Jason's body in agony. To be fair, it probably smelled of sewer juice and poo gas.

I don’t know anon has a point. Obviously the Jason that died would affect him, he was a young boy who was killed in a horrible violent way. But current Jason is not someone that would be missed by him much if he were to die now.

>>145143527
>"I'm not going to let you die, ever again"
>"you're alive Jason, you are alive and I intend to keep it this way"
Sure.

>>145143521
i dunno, this just looks like dixon is an idiot. the idea that batman would be that cavalier about any of his charges dying is preposterous.

>>145143556
Jason's clearly the favorite

>>145143521
you fool! Bruce had already figured it out and was just trying to teach Steph and Huntress a lesson

>>145143527
Both Damian and Tim were "young boys" too and yet their death (or Tim's supposed death) didn't hurt him the same way.

>>145143527
you remember that Bertstrip about Bert murdering people then sending the family members their body in a potted plant, since most people neglect potted plants it's like they let that family member die twice?
That's why it'd hurt Bruce. Yes modern Jason isn't the best person, but Bruce does believe in redemption and Jason dying as is is a double failure.

>>145143598
he was being an asshole on purpose again?

>>145143599
He got used to it.

>>145143556
>>145143596
I don’t think it means he’s the favorite it’s probably more that he is not very eager to relive some memories he has associated with him.

>>145143556
The idea that Batman doesn't care about Jason is one of the stupidest takes I have seen in this board. Multiple times it was stated that he loves him.

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>>145143580
It fits pretty well with the era for Batman in general, really, and it was to contrast how pissed Dick got over it. Bruce at this time seemed to treat Tim as a measured professional, a peer more than a son..because he wasn't. Tim made a choice to be a hero, he seemingly died operating on his own means but professionally , it's unfortunate but it's a death that isn't unexpected.
Bruce takes everything about Jason's death very personally.

>>145143654
The way you keep reaching is almost impressive.

>>145143667
Batman's greatest fear was losing Jason and his greatest happiness is Jason being happy and that guy is still arguing about how he doesn't care for him.

>>145130497
I like the unique stylization. I appreciate Ba did bring in some Euro comic elements. The Boy Wonder is actually a comic where the art does the storytelling with quality picture composition. It scores high points for that. These days so much of capeslop is the writer hogging all the storytelling while the artist is just an illustration-machine. Ba made a comic and not a picture book written by some nepohire who'd rather be a Hollywood screenwriter.

As a character fan I had my issues with the storyline. Jason's motives especially. But someone pointed out it was Ba's redo of Damian's story so looking at it that way helps me get over my nitpicks. It's an imperfect book for tweens so mission accomplished.

This book is supposed to be a newbie friendly standalone but it relies on too much "tell not show" exposition and Easter egg references for total newbies. So I criticize TBW for watering down the lore while also still clinging to too much bloated lore just to appeal to Batfamily consoomers. Streamline sensibly or don't streamline.

Not really criticism but Stephanie has better chemistry with Damian and what Ba did with Tim could've been folded into Dick. So to streamline the Robins for a Damian story it should be 1 Dick then 2 Jason then 3 Steph. I know Steph never really got a legit Robin run originally but a blond girl really does break up the monotony of suspiciously similar looking dudes so just expand on the Robin stint that she did have. For normies not incultated by comics culture it is weird and creepy for Bruce as a man to have a preferred type of little boy that he acquires every few years. In the butchered words of Monty Python the number shall be three and four is too much.

Don't listen to me. Not sure I've been thoroughly happy with a Bat book since Dini. Most recent Gotham books I'd recommend are by Rosenberg because it made me laugh and has some smarts but even then it is held back by some distracting flaws.

>>145143689
Bruce not wanting him to die is the bare minimum. Doesn’t make him favored in any way. Not a reach at all.

>>145143753
He didn't even care that Tim died

>>145143527
Even acknowledging the fact that he doesn’t like Jason now, he has been upset over people he hated dying before. He doesn’t like people dying in general.

>>145143753
I'm not arguing about whether he's the favorite or not (tho, he clearly has a particular soft spot for him), but your claim about how it was only about him not wanting to relive the memories or whatever. He doesn't want him to die because he doesn't want to lose him and he doesn't want to lose him because he loves him. It's really that simple and you are the one who is trying to complicate it.

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>>145143722
>I know Steph never really got a legit Robin run originally but a blond girl really does break up the monotony of suspiciously similar looking dudes so just expand on the Robin stint that she did have. For normies not incultated by comics culture it is weird and creepy for Bruce as a man to have a preferred type of little boy that he acquires every few years. In the butchered words of Monty Python the number shall be three and four is too much.

Tim was made with the idea that 3 was the most they could do. If they knew he wouldn't be the last one, maybe they'd play with his look more. At the time you could've at least gave him brown hair.
Knowing Tim's fate after Damian, I think Steph remaining Robin until Reborn would've worked out better. Robin Steph becoming Batgirl would be a smoother transition, and Tm would have 5 extra years to figure what he'd do after Robin. Red Robin is a cool premise but a loaded identity to use.

>>145143721
Zdarsky Batman's dream is that Jason and the others go live civilian lives away from himself. Sure Batman loves them. And Zdarsky Batman loves Tim most of all. But is the dream about Jason being happy because Bruce loves him? Or is the dream about being free of guilt and obligation to Jason and the shameful stain of Red Hood?

>>145143667
Bruce loves Jason, he just loves Dick and the good old days way more.

Pros and cons. Bruce doesn't need to take care of Dick, but Bruce has to share Dick with Dick's bigass surrogate family. Bruce doesn't have to share Jason with anybody, but Jason has no safety net if Bruce is too busy for him. Ultimately, Bruce wants to be Batman more than he wants to be a father, so obviously Nightwing is a more profitable investment and legacy than a hoodrat with super PTSD ever could be.

>>145134112
This board needs to shape up. I can't even upload images on this imageboard anymore on my browser, and I'm not even using privacy mode.

>>145143806
>Even acknowledging the fact that he doesn’t like Jason now
>"Jason, I love you"
You keep using the word "fact" and you clearly has no idea what it means.

>>145143881
His dream was mostly about Jason actually. He dreamed about killing the Joker and giving Jason his peace. He was literally the focus of his wish. He even revealed later to Dick that all HE wants is for Jason to have a normal life.
>Bruce loves Jason, he just loves Dick and the good old days way more
So, why his greatest fear was losing Jason instead of Dick if he loves him "way more"? And you do know Batman talked about the good old days on relation to Jason too, right?

>>145129305
>only 4 posts in
>smut, yaoi, AIDS
okay, /co/

>>145143881
It's a tie between cock gayson and jason's corpse

>>145143992
let timfags enjoy their pride special content

>>145143982
Anon is projecting. Batman doesn't love dick way more kek.

>>145143881
>Batman's dream is that Jason and the others go live civilian lives away from himself
Eh, no. His dream was about Jason dropping Red Hood and joining the family. Jason was indeed the focus of his dream as that anon said.

>>145143992
Im tired of pretending wanting Tim to be realistically gay and have AIDS is wrong

>>145144195
you have never been interesting and you never will be.

>>145144240
he's a degen bugchaser and you know it

>>145143997
Why the corpse specifically

>>145144262
fuck off you pathetic faggot

>>145143982
Since when was his greatest fear losing Jason and not like the world ending or something huge? What makes him so special?

>>145144322
>What makes him so special?
Dunno, he just is for him.
>"He loves you too much...and fear losing you"
>"I have certain fondness for Jason"
>"Jason knew how much I loved him"
>"The love I had for him..."
>"You can't stop me because you loves me too much".
>"Jason, I love you"

>>145143982
Well in Bruce's dream world in the King run, Bruce's ideal life is his parents alive and Dick is his biological son with Selina. Bruce ideally never meets Jason.

Zdarsky's dream world looks like a wish for the future. If it was Bruce's overall ideal world then his parents would be there too.

>>145134461
I guarantee Batman has hurt more good people with his security protocols malfunctioning than Red Hood has hurt with all his kills.

War Games meant Gotham was already at war. Yes war is bad. No Red Hood didn't start the war. No Red Hood did not make Gotham worse than it already was. Gotham is shown to be better off because Red Hood ruined Black Mask's control.

>>145144195
There is one Robin who was envisioned to be STD positive damaged goods and it isn't Tim.

>>145144398
>Zdarsky's dream world looks like a wish for the future.
It's not "dream world". Batman was injected with a drug that shows him his greatest wish and happiness.

Also, lmao at Damian.

>>145143904
He has more than once fostered an emotional bond with him in order to get something out of him. Words aren’t everything with a character like him. People come to the conclusion he dislikes him due to his actions mainly.

>>145144483
>He has more than once fostered an emotional bond with him in order to get something out of him
Wait, what? Wertham was actually right?

>>145144512
Lmao. That anon really makes him sound like a predator.

>>145144385
Must suck to be the other guys who are doing their best when this dude who literally kills people gets this much favoritism.

>>145144512
Topest kek.

>>145144544
It's the classic prodigal son

>>145144483
Rape??

How much can Jason and Tim bench?

>>145144398
>Well in Bruce's dream world in the King run, Bruce's ideal life is his parents alive and Dick is his biological son with Selina. Bruce ideally never meets Jason.
What the heck you are talking about? I don't remember this at all.

>>145144385
Most of this has to be before he came back right because wtf

>>145144979
I think he was confused or miss remembering. He probably meant the booster arc.

>>145145018
Oh, that would explains it. I even checked to see if I missed it because I don't remember this happening in King's run at all.

>>145144398
>in his ideal life he never meets Jason
Jasonbros…

>>145144926
>I don't remember this at all
That because it didn't happen, anon.

>>145145163
Oh, meant for this >>145144979

>>145145018
>He probably meant the booster arc
The one where Bruce end up killing his own parents? How can this be Batman's ideal world?

>>145128549
I mean DC doesn't have enough competent writers for the books it already has out. Not that bothered about Tim but I'd sooner not have Jason stuck in a mid to bad book like Outlaws and various spin-offs for going on a decade again.

>>145145500
It wasn't. Like I said, he is probably misremembering. Dick wasn't his son and him, Jason and Tim grow up without meeting Bruce and Damian didn't exist. I don't remember whether it was an alternative world or some insane dream booster created.

>>145144926
Whatever Tim can bench, Jason can do three times that. Jason has more muscle than Bruce.

>>145145500
He didn't, Dick killed them and Bruce killed him.

>>145145548
>I don't remember whether it was an alternative world or some insane dream booster created
Booster saved Bruce's parents so he created a different future where Bruce doesn't become Batman and then he went back to fix what he did after everything was ruined.

>>145145617
>>145145703
So, if Dick didn't meet Bruce he would have end up being a killer?

>>145144926
Tim could probably bench 3 plates for reps, Jason 4.

>>145145720
Apparently.

>>145145720
>Dick became a killer in some future
>Tim became a killer in some future
>Daiman became a killer in some future (which isn't exactly surprising)
These boys are messed up.

>>145145834
Dick and Tim also become fascist dictators.

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>>145145863
the signs were always there

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>>145145963
It's not the first time something like this has happened.

>>145145834
>Somehow Jason became a priest and lived peacefully in some future
Holy based

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>>145144544
Kid Jason had heart.

Childhood is thinking Dick was the best one. Adulthood is realizing Tim, Steph, and Jason are straight-up more interesting than the rest of the Bat family.

>>145146665
If he had so much heart why did he have no friends?

>>145147079
Dying young makes it hard to keep friendships, retard.

>>145147079
he threw himself into his work. He lamented not being able to join in school activities because he was fighting crime.

>>145147079
He did. Kid Devil was his pen pal.

>>145141183
New Titans was amazing

>>145147835
-ly bad!

>>145147848
In a thread reeking of timfaggotry someone is shitting on A Lonely Place of Dying. Figures. Probably thinks Beechen Robin or Nicieza Red Robin is peak Tim Drake.

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>>145147848
No it was pretty amazing.

>>145148000
A Lonely Place of Dying is good and fuck anyone who says it's not.

>>145130064
>Just not enough smut of Tim getting his ass ruined.
Huh? That's the plot of 90% of the JayTim stuff (his biggest pairing by far)out there.

>>145148130
I think they were focusing on Bernard, but it's also true that there's been an overall drop-off in recent years. Comics fanwork is kind of niche anyway; The batboy ships are in the 4-figure range after decades compared to the big ones for various manga and live-action properties. If someone wants smut, there isn't THAT much, though some of it is pretty good.

>>145148130
>>145148200
I have unfortunately assigned Jason as straight in my mind so I can’t enjoy him with Tim :/

>>145148247
How do you feel about Kon? That should still be his second ship. I think it was the main one for quite a while until Jason came back on a more permanent basis.

>>145148200
I doubt there'll ever be much for Bernard. the relationship only gets pagetime once every June.

>>145148283
I'm still a little surprised by how many fics there actually are even if the rate has slowed since they largely went into limbo. But yes, buy-in needs to be earned; if they want women to read their comics and try to tempt them with some boys, they need to actually use those characters appropriately.

>>145148275
True I can work with that. I haven’t find a deep dive into Kon fics. Appreciate the tip.
>>145148283
>>145148378
Yeah I like Bernard as a like cute, somewhat fem blondes. Cullen is another one I like but that’s never happening.

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>>145132182
>not one hand on somebody's thigh
You can just tell when the people creating this drivel have never been in a relationship.

>>145149468
i'm pretty sure travis moore knows how to draw gay shit and just chose to depict handholding instead of bernard resting the popcorn on his dick.

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>>145149508
I'm pretty sure that a DC romance without any conflict at all is boring as FUCK.

>>145149558
both of these things can be true. though in this case he was basically tasked with the first depiction of them actually being affectionate, so he gets a pass. unlike meg and riley and whatever that whole thing was.
>hey i just moved into a boat
>oh ho! wanna christen it?
>no, i'm going to ignore you and hang out with a random female for five months

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>>145138961
>Jason rides sports bikes

>>145149558
True. They should have Tim cheat on the ‘Nard

>>145143904
Bruce can dislike Jason while still saying he loves him.

When is the last time Bruce enjoyed spending time with Jason? What does Bruce like about Jason other than his vague potential to be salvaged as an investment?

Bruce has enjoyed spending one one father/son time with all three of the other sons. On multiple occasions through the years, including each of the three within the last few months. Bruce only interacts with Jason to beat him for being bad, or because he wants another pair of hands to help in the latest big mission. Does that look like love to you?

>>145149508
I'm not an expert on Moore, but someone posted a gay sex scene from another comic he worked on, you know the cutesy "tasteful" kind where the characters are clearly fully nude and having intercourse but the angles are just so you don't see genitals or penetration. And somehow the art was boring and sedate. It's really weird because I don't know if there is anything wrong with Moore's art on a technical level, but somehow a lot of his characters don't look very lively. They look like they're unskilled actors, their expressions aren't convincing.

And then another anon pointed out that Moore's art was more lively if you go back to the Ric Grayson era or before. Somehow Moore's characters got... slack jawed? There is no vigor or passion or force in them.

>>145150305
Yeah, there's a kind of blue steel/erotica model thing happening. That's an old issue with western gay stuff.

>>145147079
Add to all that was already said that he didn't have a Titans team/gen, which are the only friends the other Robins have. Part of why Bruce and Dick broke over was Bruce growing discontented about Dick dividing his time between him and the Titans, so it's not hard to justify as to why Bruce would kept Jason to himself.

>>145150305
Kind of said but yeah the original point is right. He wouldn’t miss him. Maybe he does love him but he sure doesn’t like him. The bond they used to have is long gone.

>>145150305
I think part of the issue is gays don’t lend themselves to cute wholesome sex. A little bit of soft romance is fine. But everyone who wants to see what a gay couple is doing isn’t looking for sweet or gentle, it’s always hard and rough what people want. Now I know DC can’t put intense, rapey anal sex in their comics and shouldn’t. But they can hint at the experience.

>>145150305
>he can dislike like and still loves him
>actually, he doesn't love
Sometimes, I'm truly feel amazed with how much contradiction I see in one post here. Like, are you people aware of how nonsensical your post come off?

>>145149558
Damn Dick is ugly

>>145151018
He dislikes him yet will say he loves him. Doesn’t mean he actually loves him. I think it was pretty clear.

>>145151169
>he loves him, dislike him, doesn't love him
Read it again and slowly. You will get his point about how nonsensical it sounds.

>>145151310
No where did >>145150305
say he loved him. He said that he would say that he does despite all the evidence to the contrary. He can say whatever but he makes it very clear he doesn’t like him.

>>145150305
Actions speak louder than words. It’s clear Bruce doesn’t like Jason based on what he has done to him.

>>145151368
>No where did
>say he loved him. He said that he would say that he does despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Do you suffer from reading issues? No, seriously?

Jason is more likable than the rest of the Batfam with the exception of Steph because everyone of them is fake af.

>>145151910
Just because you don’t understand what OP said doesn’t mean that it’s wrong. A person can say that they love someone but in reality feel something else entirely. It’s that simple.

>>145151368
>He said that he would say that he does despite all the evidence to the contrary.
I have been following this argument and the side that said Bruce loved Jason has provided more examples than the side that said he doesn't. If he hates or dislikes him as you claim, then provide a example of him saying it?
>inb4 but he hit him, hurt, fight him blah blah blah!!
Ok and? Did you know that he fought with every member of his family and also his friends? Dose this mean he hates everyone?

>>145152737
I’m not on either side I don’t disagree that he loved Jason when he was dead, he was mostly innocent then.

>>145151993
This. Love is also not objective, pure or a metric so all this is just arguing for the sake or arguing. Plus, in the case of Bruce Wayne it's clear that his love is conditional and not just with Jason.

>>145151018
>>145152737
Because it's not a matter of them seeing or interpreting things differently, it's an issue of them wishing and projecting.

Batman dislike Jason because he doesn't want to spend time with him? Actually, he does. He sent a letter and gift to him hoping he would to join him for dinner. He asked him to come home. He sent gifts to him. He want to spend time with him and it's Jason who usually avoids him.

>>145152988
>Because it's not a matter of them seeing or interpreting things differently, it's an issue of them wishing and projecting.
I would say. I keep seeing them (him/her singular?) claiming over and over again that Batman hates him and I have yet to see them provide any proof of that. You would think it would easy for them to prove it if it was super obvious.

>>145152737
>replaced Jason with another kid a year after his death
>allowed the Joker to harm more people
>nearly killed Jason with a batarang to save the Joker
>planned to send him to Arkham

>>145153701
>replaced Jason with another kid a year after his death
He replaced Dick, he replaced Tim and replaced Damian with Duke. I guess he hates them all.
>allowed the Joker to harm more people
I guess he hates Damian for "allowing" Talia to harm more people.
>nearly killed Jason with a batarang to save the Joker
Thank Winick for this idiotic ending. They changed it in the movie because it was stupid.
>planned to send him to Arkham
Alfred sent Bruce to Arkham when he was a kid. I know it! Alfred actually hates him!

>>145153884
None of those guys were replaced because they died as he was. Clearly he meant little to him seeing as we see him forget everything about him but his death and what led up to it. Also the ending was kino and he should’ve died there permanently.

They should also make Jason gay

>>145155055
You already been driven to the corner, dude. Take the L with dignity and move on.

If everyone hates Jason why hasn't he just killed himself? Clearly something’s not right here.

>>145153884
>He replaced Dick, he replaced Tim and replaced Damian with Duke. I guess he hates them all.
Dick and Tim weren’t dead, and Duke didn’t replace Damian. The point is that Bruce treated Jason as if he were replaceable, and the idea that anyone could easily fill his role, even if he got killed, really showed how little he meant to Bruce.
>I guess he hates Damian for "allowing" Talia to harm more people.
Are you really comparing Talia to Joker? Instead, you should compare how he dealt with Jason’s death and Damian’s death
>Thank Winick for this idiotic ending. They changed it in the movie because it was stupid.
Not an argument.
>Alfred sent Bruce to Arkham when he was a kid.
Did Alfred also want to imprison him in Asylum too?

>>145155362
I would read the Jason Todd suicide story. Ideally centered around Joker being the most important person in Jason’s life because of what he did to him

>>145155123
On the subject of diverse Jason I found his fandom subset that wants the ""violent"" gun toting Robin who got the job by stealing to be black or latino the other month. What a hilariously bad PR decision that would be.

>>145155493
I fucking told you guys Jason is black

>>145155493
Post pics of this

>>145155362
>>145155428
Would be based if we just never saw him again after that and nobody really likes to talk about it.

>>145155419
>Are you really comparing Talia to Joker?
Yes? She killed her own son and raped Bruce. She also responsible for many, many innocent deaths. Despite what tumblrinas think, she is a pretty terrible person.

>>145155838
When did Bruce ever planned to take Jason to Arkham, anyway? I'm genuinely wondering because I don't remember it.

>>145155874
It never happened as far as I know. It's probably another bs lie they made up. This thread is full of bs.

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>>145155748
Latino stuff is easier to find since searching black Jason on twitter usually just turns up Black Mask but heres some.

>>145155943
Black Jason happened because of that star wars guy (I forget his name) who said that he likes Red Hood and wants to play him.

>>145155943
Wtf I never noticed he was black. Anons were right.

>>145155989
Based Jason. Everyone is interested in him.

>>145155419
Batman fired Dick and them replaced with a younger version. He didn't want Dick to die on his watch, but it's ok for him to die elsewhere. I guess he just didn't want his death to be on his conscience.

>>145156113
Lmao. When you put it this way, it really looks bad.

>>145156133
It's really stupid when you think about it. Batman was fully aware that Dick didn't stop so what's the point of him firing? If we used the "Batman hates Jason" crowd technique and start twisting things, it's safe to assume that Batman just wanted to wash his hands from him and actually hates him.

>>145156113
>>145156189
Batman also really, really Damian. Didn't avange and pretty much ignored him for years after getting him back. Reminder that Damian didn't live in the manor since Tomasi's run.

>>145155997
>Red = color of the Bloods, Hood = no explanation
>born in the ghetto, will certainly die in the ghetto
>mom was a crackhead, dad was a criminal
>went to jail multiple times and is a registered criminal
>lashes out unprovoked 90% of the time
The evidence was there but nobody knew the connection

>>145156113
>nooo I don’t want my trained grown man sidekick to die
>seeing him almost die was too scary
>this 9 year old street kid with no skills however?
>Perfect.
>I’m gonna keep letting him do this dangerous shit even after he got shot three times in the chest
>what could go wrong?
Bruce hated Jason anons were right

>>145155493
Fucking lol
Of course he’s the one they’d identify with

If I was responsible for Jason I’d hate him too. Bruce did nothing wrong.

>>145156541
Hi Denny

Duke be like
>”I’m sorry Jason, people like you have to sit in the back of the bus.”

>>145156386
Too late, it doesn't work for you anymore, lad. If Batman was so scared of losing Dick, shouldn't he make sure to keep him close to him instead of sending him away where he could die against metas instead of streets level henchmen in Gotham?

>>145156678
Jason shouldn’t be allowed on the bus

>>145156751
He was already a grown man who needed his own life. Jason was a little boy who needed a stable home and a father figure.

>>145156222
Not just that. While Tim was "dead", Bruce was planning his happy wedding with Selina