Stephanie Brown was at her best when she was just Spoiler.She can still be part of the Bat-Family, but she doesn't have to be "the other Batgirl".
>>146134617I liked Steph as Robin and Batgirl but you can’t beat her as Spoiler. Also, Steph’s character declined the more she revolved around Tim.
*gets Steph knocked up*
>>146134617I miss this costume.
>>146135549But will he take responsability?
>>146136093He'd probably do it and try to be the father figure he and Steph didn't get growing up.
>>146135549Imagine is Jason turned out to be the guy who knocked Steph up during No Man’s Land.
>>146136275Bruce probably would have thrown Jason's ass out on the curb.
>>146135549Dick or Jason shoulda gotten someone knocked uo by now. Gotta carry Bruce's legacy.
>>146136131That'd be their happy ending.
>>146136385Dick is the type of loser who treats his dog as a child. Jason probably has a mulatto child running around in Gotham after banging some random waitress.
>>146136459Jason really is carrying on Bruce's legacy.
>>146136478You think Bruce and Jason would ever bond over the time they both got raped by Talia?
>>146136360Well Bruce wouldn’t have known Jason was alive at the time and Steph wouldn’t have known who he was.
>>146136653Oh okay I get what you’re saying: in that case, things would have played similarly as they did in NML, only Jason never shows up until UTRH, so Steph assumes he probably went missing or died in the gang wars. Then when he does show up as Red Hood, Steph realizes she got knocked up by the second Robin.
>>146136487>both have a moment of not talkin about it with beer.>both are most likley thinkin of that evil booty >both are still keeping quiet about thier mommy issues.
>>146136836>”This isn’t the first the time I got fucked over by a mother figure. First time it was literal.”
>>146134617The sad part is that actual Steph fans know this for a fact, but the vocal self-inserters on social media throw a fit when she doesn't have a mantle she didn't need in the first place.
>>146136487Didn't Talia try to rape Tim as well?
>>146136972he could make it a third time.
>>146136995I get that Batgirl is a bigger name with bigger importance overall, but that doesn't mean Steph should be that, it's like saying she should be Wonder Woman because it's a more important identity, ideally, Steph should make a name for herself with her own identity that is unique to her, being Batgirl, specially now that Cass is back as the main Batgirl, just makes her seem like the "lesser Batgirl".
>>146137033>specially now that Cass is back as the main Batgirl, just makes her seem like the "lesser Batgirl".Editorial do it on purpose. They don’t want Steph to get over, they want Cass to be their star.
>>146134617Why would you post this without a spoiler warning???
>>146137107Being a blonde white girl character at DC right now is negative.I'm glad they're at least using Cass instead of making up a whole new character for the diversity push at least.
>>146137018While Steph sleeps after they have sex, Jason cries a little.
>>146137257Not you too, she says, worried that jason is ALSO going to be a fucking fruit.
>>146137269He puts her at ease when he tells her it’s because of how much he hates his father figure.
In this thread, will Tim regain his lost respect?No.
>>146137177I like all these characters minus the Green Arrows ones.
>>146137568She died because editorial wanted her to die. Simple as. Could've easily wrote her surviving and being just as competent as the others, which she becomes anyway.
>>146137568Hey retard, these aren’t real people. Ask the editors why they did her character dirty.
I miss her. I know she’s not gone, but I miss her.
Fun fact: both Jason and Steph’s former love interests are both gay now!
Just imagine>Live action Red Hood movie>Lower budget vigilante flick>Not connected to the DCEU>Standalone story. No setup for other movies.>Steph's the love interest.>No Batgirl. Just Spoiler.>Cluemaster's in.>Only other hero that exists (so far) is Batman.>As far as the movie's concerned, Jason was the only Robin.
>>146137744>Steph's the love interest.Already it's terrible.
>>146137895Nah, it’s kino.
>>146137599Did we have another Solemini driveby?
>>146136487Like, at the same time?How'd that work? Did she DV them or was Dick in the pink and Jason in the stink?
>>146137107Cass can be the star, just don't throw Steph under the bus for it.
One of Steph's best looks
Bump
>>146137107Which is kind of amazing, considering how editorial spent burying any Batgirl who wasn't Barbara.
>>146136995>>146137033As much fun as Steph's original run as Batgirl was, the actual fans seem more concerned with just keeping her around than with having her be Batgirl. It feels like she just got co-opted by the people who wanted Babs to not be Batgirl and were really angry about her, mostly Cassfags and Nightwing/Starfire shippers. There'll probably be less demand now Cassfags are getting what they want.People who actually like her are mostly fine with her being Spoiler.
I wonder how it feels to kiss a fully masked girl
Steph = pink nipplesCass = brown nipplesSteph > Cass
>>146138935> just don't throw Steph under the bus for it.Someone post that panel of Bruce and Cass at Jason’s grave where they shit on both Steph and Jason.
>>146140006DC isn’t a mono entity, basically all the people who dislikedCass are long gone except Jim Lee, who’s actually drawing her a bit more now.
>>146134617I think part of the problem is that Gotham itself is so completely considered "bat territory" that any cape that stays there for a prolonged period of time becomes a bat character by association. I think the only character to ever avoid this was Hitman, and that was probably because the character died.
>>146141670>basically all the people who dislikedCass are long gone except Jim LeeThey just brought Jeph Loeb back.Lee and Loeb were some of the most influential haters too, them leaving Cass out of Hush is what started the trend of DC not treating her as a real character.
>>146141670God I wish Tomasi was still in DC. Dude wrote a damn good GLC and kept the Cassfags in check
>>146141731Peter Tomasi should be killed for what he's done.
>>146141774For Making GL good for the first time in thirty years?
>>146141798You know what I'm talking about. He deserves death. Him and all like him.
>>146141866No I don’t know know what you’re talking about
>>146141705Loeb isn’t an editor and I doubt he’ll be there as regularly as he was in the early 2000s. The current bateditorial are clearly Cass fans and Loeb will be off doing his own thing. The only reason Hush empowered Cass erasure is because the editorial that came in after Dennis O’Neil saw Cass as a white elephant left by the previous tenants and didn’t want her
>>146138186It happened on separate occasions, and she banged Jason when he was like 17.
>>146136995>>146137033I know people feel she doesn't need it, but her becoming Batgirl did feel like a big break for her and progression for a character who kept getting knocked back for years.I want to be hopeful she can make it as Spoiler again, but I have my doubts.
>>146136275Even Jason wasn't dead by then he would have been in a coma.Which adds a whole lot more questions.
>>146143377Nice pic
How would you guys react what if DC announced that Steph and Jason were retiring and they would not be getting any more appearances?
>>146143449reference to this page.L'il Steph a cute
>>146143479>house on fire>no parents around>saved by a future StephYeah I’m calling it kino
>>146143577>mom left the oven on before going out for her meds again huh?>yep>Don't worry kid, we've got chicken nugget happy meal money now,our treat>Can we get two? I can make that last the week>And an apple pie
>>146144078>Hey kid, hold on to this card.>Tim Drake and Dean?>These are bad people, do not be their girlfriends. Okay, I have to go to the future. Bye!
>>146144558>Why doesn't Dean have a last name?>We never got it. Anyway, when you're 14 you're gonna think he's cool because he has tattoos and can drive. Don't go into his car, 30 seconds can have repercussions for 9 months.
>>146144862Then six months after this, Steph wakes up screaming to herself wondering why she didn’t include the Gotham Powerball numbers.
>>146143479I want to punt her.
>>146145937>t. Tim
>>146141690People forget that there’s more to New Jersey than just Bludhaven and Gotham, but Jason has dibs on Gotham because he as actually born in it.
>>146141690Etrigan and Alan Scott also called Gotham home at one point, among others.
>"Steph, please take me back. I made a big fucking mistake. Bernard, he... well he's into sick shit and I've checked with ten plastic surgeons, and they tell me there's no chance in hell my ass is going back to normal. Please Steph, I know you're mad at me but I want to get back. I'm was a fool and-is that Jason on the other end? Steph? Steph? FUCK!"
>>146143392>he would have been in a coma.Easy retcon. He was awake, fucked Steph and No Man's Land and Under the Hood took place very close together.
>>146146933This, the next guy who would have taken Starlin's job would have had Jason back in action.
>>146143377It would be good progression but only if Cass died for good/became Batwoman or something, it made some sense back when Cass was in Hong Kong or something, but not anymore.For as long as Cass, and even Babs, still have a claim for the Batgirl mantle, it's not good for Steph to also have it.
>>146147265>Cass becomes BatWOMAN>Steph becomes BatGIRLSteph still can't win.
>>146147519She doesn't have to be a bat at all, let her be Spoiler dammit.
>>146134617I miss Steph's dirtbike
>>146147580She also had that car in Robins
I miss it when Batman comics were street-level shenanigans. It feels like the last few years have been really stupid.
>>146140115If DiDio were to be believed anyway, Steph wound up some "process of elimination" choice since he didn't want Bette, Wendy, or Misfit as Batgirl.
>>146148585I want to explore that man's twisted mind. He has so many bad ideas but he's so damn confident in them.
>>146134617Was Spoiler at her best when Black Mask had her battered ample teen body strung up in his torture room?
No DiDio.
If I was DiDio, I would have had Jason save Steph and faking her death to show her the pain of losing another Robin. Never liked how they had to assassinate Leslie Thompkins'.
>>146148954That would've been better in hindsight.
>>146150127Damn, I meant Batman, to show Batman the pain of losing another Robin. God, 2005 onward to 2008 was such a terrible time read Batman comics if you actually cared about the cast.
>>146150189I got it by context lol. An arc where Jason saves Steph and uses her as a bit of a pawn while Steph is torn between seeing things Jason's way and realizing how far he's going and wanting to do well by Batman, and Jason trying to make her realize how close to death she came.
>>146150189Jason was already back by the time Hush happened. War Games ended right before Under the Hood, so it's plausible for Jason to have saved her.
>>146151203UTH also has Jason at war with Black Mask, so it adds another level that he'd be targeting him
>>146134617Correct.Cassfans won.
>>146151341Which is good, because she's the best Batgirl.
>>146151341At being redditors.
Remember that time the Riddler was living in her house with his lesbians?
>>146150759Could've been a good substitute for the Mia story, and you'd erase the whole shit flinging between Bat and Arrow fans over that.
>>146148954Need some Winick for Steph to get on this for a DTV idea one day.War Games adaptation with twist.
>>146152122Could be a great prequel to Under the Red Hood.
>>146151717Eeeh
>>146151717She’s not even the second best.
>>146148954Why do you think Denny O'Neil was livid over DiDio's diddling trying to sabotage his bat line?Remember that they had Catwoman raped in a ditch unconscious as a fuck you towards the old man, also the entire jim gordon retirement being he and the editorial calling out DC on sabotage and going scott free because of the higher ups aka HARRAS.
>>146154068Wtf Catwoman got raped?
>>146148954Leslie Thompkins was such an important character to humanize Bruce and she never recovered from that bullshit.
>>146154167Yeah, her last comic after denny left the batman editorial has her shot, falling off a building into a trash bin and implied to be raped by the homeless and mooks below since her clothes were ripped.And that led to that shitty revival where modern catwoman was born and people curses DC til this day.
>>146154203And then they threw the old costume in the trash.Irony is the goggle costume only really caught on when they made it as sexualized as the purple one anyway.
Anyone go back to the Arkham games and realized that they’re kinda boring because the plot is Batman is grimacing all the time and barely talks to anyone?
>>146154281I hate 2000's DC from the bottom of my soul for all of the edgelord shit that happened after JLA Avengers since Identity Crisis was after it.
>>146154281Was anyone really attached to the purple costume anyway? It's really boring.
>>146154412Jim Balant was, I assume.
>>146154429The genius creative visionary who brought us Tarot.
>>146154429Glad Jim didn’t give her tacky heels
>>146154412It was probably Catwoman's most popular era, so yes
>>146151717I really like Cass as a character, but the hardline insistence that' she's best Batgirl almost has the same energy as "Die Hard is a Christmas movie!" or things like Weapon Brown that take cutesy characters and make them badass(yes I know Weapon Brown is a parody.)Like, see this cute thing? What if it was BADASS!?Cass herself is a great character, but the Batgirl mantle will always default to being a cute girl in a traditionally cute/sexy batsuit to most people. Cass being a badass fighter in a scary/erotic batsuit will always seem out of place. Even if she's arguably the best to wear the mantle.
>>146154412If it seems boring, it's only because it seems like a basic costume- but it was the first real hybrid of all the prior Catwoman costumes in comics. Catwoman had only really started wearing a cowled catsuit a few years before with Year One, and it was the whiskered, gray, big eared costume. Her classic, GA costume had the cowl and the purple but was a dress.Then in the 60's she had some catsuits, but with domino masksTaking the iconic Catwoman mask, making it a full body suit, it partly comes from Batman Returns but Jim Balent's take managed to take that idea and make it work homaging her comic looks.
>>146154335Early 2000s was when the gay shit started to creep in with Rucka’s Batwoman
>>146155009that was more mid-late but he was lezzing it up with Montoya by then
>>146154809At least Cass stands out and has her own unique spin on Batgirl. It's weird that this argument is never applied to Damian, who's intentionally an inversion of the "optimistic bright sidekick" archetype that Robin exemplifies.
>>146155351Rughy. got the lesbians confused.
>>146155383>her own unique spin on BatgirlYeah but I think it's a spin that wasn't needed for the mantle.>It's weird that this argument is never applied to Damian,I feel the same way about him honestly. Morrison never intended it to be permanent, and him as a little edgy Robin is doomed to either repeat the same cycles, or have the edges polished off anyway.
>>146154809Casa worked better as Orphan than Batgirl.
>>146155505Fair enough, but I think one of the reasons Steph doesn't really have any staying power as Batgirl is because she's too similar to the popular perception of Babs. Why write a Stephgirl story or adapt Stephgirl when Babsgirl fills the same role and is more recognizable? Cass on the other hand has a more unique take on Batgirl, like it or not.
>>146155769Cass fans hate that identity
>>146156142>Why write a Stephgirl story or adapt Stephgirl when Babsgirl fills the same role and is more recognizable? This is the same reason why Dick will never leave the shadow of the Titans. Why waste this arc on Dick when Batman could make better use of it.
>>146156142Becuase Babsgirl is a copy on Stephgirl. Or did yall forget who came first or that dc has a habit of stripping traits from others to put them on more brand heavy characters?
>>146156142Steph’s main Batgirl stories are her being mentored by Babs, teaming up with Damian as the new Batgirl and Robin, and her father manipulating things behind the scenes to get to her. None are really stories fitting for Babsgirl since they play heavy on her being a legacy and having some different relations than Babs has
>>146156310Of what story?
>>146157046Court of Owls was originally a DickBats book, then became a Bruce one.
>>146156258They do, a lot
>>146137177Just let Steph be bisexual, and then DC will put her out more again..
>>146158483Terrible idea, shithead.
>>146158483Making Steph bi creates the peril that some asshole writer will pair her with fan-favorite Harper Rowe.
>>146159021They’ll never make Steph bi because they know making so many characters within one book screams bad news.
>>146159056>they know making so many characters within one book screams bad news.I seriously doubt the Bat Office has that kind of self-awareness these days.
>>146159093If they weren’t, then why isn’t Dick by yet? He’s more popular than Steph.
>>146141731>kept the Cassfags in checkHow did he do that? Do Cass fans hate Stephanie?
What's up with Huntress these days? Why do Stephanie threads feel so focused on Jason as well?
>>146159347>How did he do that? But not making her the center of the world.
>>146158483Honestly making Tim and Steph bi4bi would've been a million times better than making Tim bisexual for Bernard.
>>146159456> Why do Stephanie threads feel so focused on Jason as well?/co/‘s new favorite Batship now that Tim is gay.
>>146159591The Eggplant Avenger
>>146159591Peak character design.
>>146155383Cass has a lot more going for her in the "defies expectations" category from the perspective of characterization. Damian was created to defy expectations of Robin as an archetype and serve as a foil to Dick so he's fairly one note character-wise.
Has Steph ever confronted Black Mask post-return?
>>146159093I don't think Gotham War is a good example because the whole thing ends with Bruce being 100% correct and Selina dangerously out-of-touch and myopic. They're either cynically self-aware or so lacking in self-awareness that it loops back around into looking like self-awareness.
>>146160396>They're either cynically self-aware or so lacking in self-awareness that it loops back around into looking like self-awareness.It's literally a coin toss. These are the same editors who let Tom Taylor paint Dick Grayson as le heccin wholesome billionaire who donated all his money to save Bludhaven while at the same time making Dick look like a moron with no self-awareness for dedicating a statue to his butler in the poorest most corrupt city in New Jersey.
>>146159456>Why do Stephanie threads feel so focused on Jason as well?Because she isn't a popular or successful enough character on her own and needs others to prop her up. Now that Tim became a homo her fanboys are desperate for her to latch onto Jason in order for her to stay relevant.
>>146159456>Why do Stephanie threads feel so focused on Jason as well?Probably because Steph and Jason are the most interesting members of the team.
>>146160212not really but she is fighting him on this page.
>>146134617Her being "allowed" to be Batgirl always struck me as a bit patronizing.
>>146160904>Her being "allowed" to be Batgirl always struck me as a bit patronizing.Bruce, Dick, Babs, Tim, Damian, and Cass; are all patronizing.
Best girl
When is the next solicitation coming out?
You guys still like him, right?
>>146161459It's been 20 long years...
Out of all Batfams, I only care about Steph, Jason and Tim. And they happened to be the one DC cares about less.
>>146162667I like Jason in theory, not so much in execution.
>>146163092That how everyone likes him. The comics are that bad.
>>146163092My ideal portrayal of Jason and his morals would be with him looking like a horrible person next to most heroes, but like a saint next to most villains, he shouldn't go too far in either direction, and both sides should generally not like how he does things.
>>146134617Any Steph reading recs?
>>146163478They went too hard on making murderous in Red Hood. How the hell do you settle into the Batfam after that?
>>146163631*Jason
>>146160904>>146160936Was he in the wrong?
>>146163819Geoff Johns ripped this off in Three Jokers.
>>146163819Jean for being an schizo, Babs and the rest of the Batfam for thinking a schizo would suddenly fall in line.
>>146163880Jean was never NOT going to be schizo since he was brainwashed as a child and Batman really didn't want to figure out how fucking ingrained that shit was.
>>146163979Reminds of the time Bruce said fuck it, and buried Jason and his mom together without actually solving Jason’s murder. Or that time he kept a brainwashed child as his attack dog and dresses her up as Batgirl. Bruce is terrible at his job honestly.
>>146163819>what no nerd girl pussy does to a mf
>>146160493That would depend on in-universe reactions. Dick's OG solo run had him barely knowing how normal people function on a daily basis because he was removed from the details of living on your own at the start, so him trying to do good by handing out money while failing to realize the terrible optics of installing a statue of your former butler isn't necessarily an editorial issue. >>146160904The main drawback of her Batgirl run is that it goes hard on presenting Steph as a completely worthless burden who only deserves to be considered a person because they allowed her to slap a bat logo on her chest. It was 1000% in line with Didio's directive that Steph's pre-War Games history and canon be replaced with her as an incompetent retard who deserved to get brutally murdered.>>146163631>Bruce, you've got Katana on your Christmas card list.
>>146164026Or cult-nun pussy.
>>146164023There are a lot of issues with how Bruce handled Cass, but that's a completely false statement regarding Cass' situation or her relation to the Batfamily.
>>146164123Don’t care, don’t like Cass!
Man what’s the point of Tim now that Damian exists
>>146164380He's the gay one.
>>146164382We already have a lesbian and a half lesbian with Batwoman and Harper Row.
>>146164443Tim is the male gay one.
>>146164380>>146164382Even without the gay thing he's still the most different male Robin.
>>146164380Tim's the Robin who knows how to function as a regular person. Dick buys up neighborhoods, installs Mexican-Korean fusion food trucks and thinks it will solve poverty, Jason is the guy who loudly insists that packet mayo and expired saltines is a perfectly adequate dinner, and Damian resorts to violence after namedropping his mom and dad don't get him his way.
>>146160493>Dick Grayson as le heccin wholesome billionaireHow is Dick a billionaire?
>>146164791He's the first in line to Bruce's fortune.but also Alfred has a lot of money and left it in his will.Back in the 90's Bruce basically told him that he was due for the inheritance in case of anything when Dick was LARPing as a broke dude. this was when jason was dead and Tim's dad was alive. It was all going to him.
>>146165110Why wouldn't the inheritance be split equally amongst Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian? And if Alfred has a lot of money why would he work as a servant?
>>146163478>would be with him looking like a horrible person next to most heroesExcept most people would be A-OK with him and praise him, making the heroes look like preachy moralfags that nobody sane can relate to. Like the reverse of Superman Legacy. You're gonna have people look at that and keep on thinking Superman's the lamest character ever.
>>146164023>buried Jason and his mom togetherThe bitch that got him killed in the first place, and smiled with glee when it happened?
>>146165267The idea was first put forth, like I said, when Dick was was the only known, living heir. Now it’d be split, but it’s still splitting billionsAlfred had money in stock. He was clearly too devoted to Bruce to leave for long, I don’t think he had material desire for money or leisure.
>>146165267You've got to specify the time period you're talking about because the context will change. Right now you could make a strong assumption that Dick and Damian would get an inheritance, but it's questionable if Tim would get anything despite his parents being dead because he's a legal adult who presumably already got insurance payouts and inheritance from his parents, if Cass would get anything because her adoption by Bruce isn't confirmed canon, or if he'd be comfortable giving Jason anything due to their differences.
>>146163880The Batfamily's a fucking cult. They take Batman's schizo no-kill rule to heart when HE only has it because he'd go on an insane killing spree if he took a life. The others are sane enough to not have the problem, yet they still abide by those dumbass rules and hate on those that don't. Jason looks way cooler in comparison.
>>146163849I remember when she fucking snitched on Jason for killing one of the Jokers.
>>146164760>Tim's the Robin who knows how to function as a regular personMy ass. Dude's a rich kid. He don't know shit about being normal.
>>146165321His dad wasn’t THAT rich
>>146165341Still upper class though. Just enough for the lower classes to still be alien to him.
>>146165321Tim's family was nouveau riche and only wealthy for a brief portion of his life. By 14 he was firmly in the middle class.
>>146165349>By 14 he was firmly in the middle class.Still privileged.
>>146165366You know, Steph, maybe if you let him stick it in your ass once or twice he wouldn't have dumped you for Twinkerbell.
>>146165383That hole's reserved for Jason.
>>146165306Bruce adopted Tim and Dick is a legal adult as well. The issue isn't really about divvying up the inheritance but rather how DC is constantly making Dick a bigger Mary Sue than he already is.
>>146165419How does Dick having an inheritance make him a Mary Sue?
>>146165573Learn some reading comprehension, my guy.
>>146165347He is went to public school
>had a maid>lived in a brownstone (cried about it too because only poor people live in brownstones)>had subscriptions to gay art magazines >actually grew up with mommy and daddy>hates Shepard’s pieTim Drake was literally built to get violently murdered in the streets by guys like Jason.
>>146161459He really should get a new identity already.
>>146164760Jason is the only guy where was actually homeless and turned to crime to provide for himself. He’d be the guy who can actually point out the flaws in Gotham’s social services.
>>146166319What did Steph even see in Tim? Dude seems like the type of guy she'd avoid.
>>146166477Tim is the “safe choice” guy and the only person after Bruce and Babs she could trust… until he dumped and ghosted her because his love of penis was stronger.
