the difference in portrayal between western comics and other countries for ww2 germany is bizarre
>>146137450Are you aware Japan was allied to nazi Germany? Not including Japanese writers have been using nazis as stand-ins for the Japanese empire for decades. In recent years not so much because Japanese writers openly shill for the Japanese empire but Battle Tendency was made decades ago
>>146137679>In recent years not so much because Japanese writers openly shill for the Japanese empireWhat the fuck is wrong with japan?
>>146137690Japan never went through Nuremberg trials and the same people ruling over the Japanese empire moved to the LDP. Modern Japan is what Germany would be today if the nazis stayed in power after the war for stopping comunism
>>146137679>Are you aware Japan was allied to nazi Germany?WHAT
>>146137752>le browns le bad>>>>/pol/
>>146137752your great grandpa is probably rolling in his grave at the idea of his descendants sucking nazi dick
>>146137752>"What did we gain from fighting him?"US Global Hegemony for like 80 years?
>>146137752If you complain about brown people eating tacos while mowing your lawn, you probably should've had more children.
>>146137707LOL THE BIRTHRATE WOULD STILL BE SHIT
>>146137848>sensible right party>republicansYou fucking dipshit
>>146137752the nazis were buddy-buddy with india, the aryan thing isn't a memein fact india was probably going to become fascist if the nazis didn't losepoint being you can't escape BIPOC
>>146137848>sensible right party>republicansYou fucking genius
>>146137450Was Stroheim really even that much of a Nazi? I don't know if it's just because I watched the dub, but he seems more proud of being German than being a guy with blond hair and blue eyes, and compliments the non-white kid who offers to sacrifice himself to let the other captives go. Sure he does the opposite and only spares him, but that's another matter entirely.I mean, surely it's not impossible for someone who was in the Nazi army to not actually care for Nazism and just be there because of misguided patriotism, right? Or whatever the deal with Goldfinger's actor was where he was in the Nazi party for some reason that didn't involve hating jews?
>>146137690no jews
>>146138123anon, they prohibited the anime to mention "nazis", "third Reich" and "Aryans" as opposed to the manga so it would sell easier, they even obscured his saluting in the TV version, even though in the uncensored version HE ISN'T EVEN SALUTING ANYMORE.Mind you, he is 100% the same character, it's just that nazis were now referred as plain german soldiers and his so beloved german science was originally "Aryan science".I love him so much
>>146137450Another thing that other anons haven't posted is the state of Japan as a puppet state/American proxy after WW2. America never wanted Japan to follow Germany's footsteps in becoming apologetic for their prior actions in the war since Japan was in a valuable area (literally and figuratively) as a defense against the USSR. Keeping the Japanese conservative and pro-fascistic meant that in the event of outright war, the US could steer Japan in the direction of whatever enemy they had in mind and then let them freely go at it. If Japan was made to feel collective guilt, it would potentially cripple them as a pointed weapon. Anyway, that's (one reason) why most Nazis are depicted as cartoonish or mustache-twirling supervillains in Japanese popular culture. The US and Japan's own leaders had a hand in information control, so the common person would end up thinking that a Nazi wouldn't really be too dissimilar to how Communists are depicted in American contemporary pop culture (a spooky foreign tyrant out to get you), on top of not knowing that much about the Nazis in general other than "they're evil".
>>146137707We literally let the Emperor off the hook because we wanted Japan as an ally against the Soviets, and there was a belief that putting him on trial would kill any chance at alliance. But there was also a bizarre PR tour with him, intentionally depicting him as an out-of-touch grandpa with no clue what happened outside his own quarters. This was the man the people had gone to war for, the man behind countless pieces of propaganda. Casting him as an innocent pawn of "a few bad apples in the military" made it much much easier for the Japanese to go around thinking they as a people had done nothing wrong.
>>146138317To be fair, there was a historical precedent for the Emperor of Japan not being the guy who's really in charge of the country.
>>146137791america was actually fairly pro or ambivalent about the nazis, most of ww2 america was about getting back at the japanese for pearl harbor
WW2 education is woefully inadequate in Japan, and it's in the LDP's interest to keep it that way lest people find out what their grandparents were doing during the war.
>>146137450>the difference between the country who went against Germany in WW2 vs the country that sided with Germany in WW2 is so stark!Yeah no shit dumbass
>>146138317I'm glad they didn't destroy Japan culturally like that. By leaving them a cultural continuity, they created an art culture that matched our own. Had they faced what Germany had to face, for doing essentially the same as Japan but to international banking tribes instead of just 'the neighbors', I don't believe Japan would survive today. There may have been communist cultures that destroyed the Shinto and Buddhist traditions of the country. Even anti-cultural artists like the Expo 70's iconic Taro Okamoto may not have had the experiences they did to create.
>>146137450Red skull is not even a german. He's a jew!
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>>146137450amerisharts are the only ones who think glaring in a nazi's general direction makes you a war criminal, others understand how many german soldiers were draftees trying to protect their home
>>146137830Thats to blame on capitalism and americuck occupation (white americans have a lower birth rate than japan btw)
>>146137450There's a Captain America short story drawn by Bruce Timm where Steve is fighting a Nazi werewolf in WW2 but they call a truce to save a little girlSteve questions his Nazi werewolf adversary and said werewolf admits he's not fully on board with the Nazi regime and its practices but still feels obligated to fight for his country, something he expects Rogers to understand all the sameThe story ends with them resuming their fight and we don't know what happens laterI don't think that kind of ending would fly today since recently Rogers said he's never met a good Nazi in his life when talking about fighting Nazi vampires and how he doesn't hold anything against those who were unfortunately turned into an undead blood sucking fiend but still holds Nazis with contempt
>>146137810>If you complain about brown people eating tacos while mowing your lawn, you probably should've had more childrennta but mass migration depresses the native birth rate and depresses wages which depress the native birth rate even further + immigrants have a equal or lower birthrate than natives as soon as second generation meaning this is little more than a ponzi scheme that acts as ethnic repleacement/cleansing to keep corporate profits up and bust unions (racial diversity, especialy of first gen immigrants is highly correlated with low risk of worker unionization) while not fixing the national birth rate problem and making it worse while evaporating the lower middle class
>>146138342He was on board with japanese supremacist ideals at the least
>>146138869yeah, right, America is making the Japs not want to have sex, fuckign christ
>>146138948America transmited a disease called Liberalism (capital L not lowercase) to japan which is the cause of low birth rates everywhere, they would have a much higher birthrate as the dictatorial theocracy they were
>>146138342Yes, and he certainly wasn't the one running the show. But he wasn't the harmless doddering innocent old fuddy-duddy that the US tried to sell him as after the war. The US chose to say "let's not blame this guy that clearly knew a lot of what was going on, and was okay with it."And so the Japanese people, who clearly knew a lot of what was going on and were okay with it, thought to themselves "oh, well if he's off the hook I guess the rest of us are fine too."I won't say that's the ONLY reason why Japan doesn't have a similar post-war horror toward their atrocities, akin to what Germany and Italy have, but it's absolutely a major factor.
>>146138496>Punishing Emperor Hirohito (whose grandfather was the first Emperor in nearly 700 years to have any power) would have destroyed Japan culturallyCounterargument: getting rid of monarchs (or heck, just ONE particular monarch) does not destroy a culture.
>>146137450>Difference between Allies and Axis powers is bizarreYou don't say
>>146138346False. Even before Pearl harbor, polls showed Americans largely believed Hitler was shit, and there was even a substantial majority favoring going to war if it seemed like that was the only way to defeat the Axis. Where you saw ambivalence was whether or not we'd reached that "welp, guess we have no choice but to go to war" stage yet.Then the Japanese picked the dumbest possible way to try to get America to stay neutral.
>>146138970>"If not for that pesky Liberalism, we'd have our people breeding like rats!" - actual monarchist view
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>>146139425the fansubs made that one up, I just checked and Messina said this actually.
>>146139459based fans
>>146138496>or doing essentially the same as Japan but to international banking tribes instead of just 'the neighbors>international banking tribe>destruction of Warsaw Tho Hitler had to pull thugs out if prison to form his subhuman mad dog army, Nips just were like that in their regular army
>>146138928This poster gets it. Anyone who simply goes "have more children" is either a shill or some loser who doesn't go outside. People even with a decent career and in a committed relationship struggle to afford children. The only people having children are the very rich and the very poor.
>>146137450"other countries" is doing a lot of lifting here
>>146137450Nooooo not nazi germany This is why manga outsells dogman
>>146137450i want to jerk both of them off at the same time
>>146140295ooooh me too!
>>146137450Stroheim would've been the villain if it wasn't for the pillar men.
>>146140512and he was responsible for them anyway
>>146140295>>146140491I want them to take a steamy manly shower together...
>>146140512>>146140517don't forget that Joseph teamed up with an italian tooif a Japanese was involved too it'd be the story of the axis powers saving the world (with some help from a plucky bong-american)
>>146140664You'll notice Joseph kept his ass in America and fucking hated Japanese by the 1980s. I don't think he was too Axis friendly by the time WWII started.
>>146138346No the fuck they weren't. Americans were generally anti-German, which really had fuck all to do with the Nazis, but the Hitlerites didn't help it. Germany didn't share kind feelings towards Americans anyway so stop the LARP
>>146137707>Japan never went through Nuremberg trials
>>146137450Really glossing over the whole "feeding entire innocent villages to vampires just to see what happens" bit
>>146141382weren't they mexicans? they probably work for the cartel
>>146137450Biggest among many reasons for this is that they were the only threat to Western elites large enough be in contention for global superpower status so Westerners have a specific fear and hatred of them
>>146141429>it is just elites being mad>Hitler dindu nuffinAgain, none of you clowns can come up with justification for the destruction of Warsaw, after the Uprising has surrounded, when the Soviets were coming. It was really life cartoon villain shit
>>146139384Please, you think that would be all they’d do? Shinto is a religion that worships the Emperor’s line as a God, and they already forced them to separate from the state. Killing their God, especially in a manner that emphatically made him renounce Godhood, would force reaction from the priests and cause a counterreaction to eliminate it. Every single infraction would be a reparative measure, China would still have communism, but maybe imperial China bulwarks on the backs of Japanese men. Hell, all of this is assuming an Emperor destructiob doesn’t require a more exacting land war, and then all of that definitely gets destroyed.>>146139489Now bull-headed civilians in the way of the big bad matter? When they’re jews? If they’d simply given Hitler all their pornographers and usurers, they may have beelined to Israel under the Havaara Agreement.
>>146137791My mother's father was a Ukrainian immigrant who intentionally crashed his ATV so he wouldn't be deployed and my father's father hid in a barn for years to avoid being drafted like most French Canadian menEverything I need to know about ultimately why fighting Hitler the wrong decision I learn aboard the USS Liberty in 1977>>146137810Where I live it's too cold for Mexicans, though we have plenty of Nazi loving Pajeets and Muslims
>>146138970Why does china have such low birth rates then? Its just the paradox of economic development.
>>146141844Actually no, that was just something britain and france rejected. It is true that hitler just wanted them out first, but he still killed them. And its strange both pro and anti people only ever talk about the jews and not all the other people in hte camps.
>>146137690We basically let them quietly off the hook because we saw what happened with Berlin Wall and didn't want that to happen to Japan at all. We let their Emperor live and a few war criminals get off the hook, and in exchange, they don't read Marx.While long term it's benefitted our nations as we're basically friends now, it means there are some things that are very touchy in Japan you just don't bring up. Like War crimes.Meanwhile we just go to Akibara and worship at the altar of Anime and pretend that's high Japanese culture like the consumers we are.(tl;dr I hate people that idolize Japan as greener pastures)
>>146137679FPBP>>146138448/thread
>>146137752>BRO, IF I HAD A TIME MACHIEN>I COULD TELL THE D-DAY LANDERS "TRANNIES">AND THEN THEY'D TURN AROUND WITHOUT A SINGLE QUESTION JUST BECAUSE
>>146138342Is that an excuse for letting his own Military do whatever the fuck it wanted?
>>146138948>Oh you lads better NOT be having any sex over there>Oh no we aren't America-san
>>146138317The most frustrating part of all that is the Emperor was perfectly willing to abdicate in favour of one of his brothers, which would've still kept the imperial lineage, the imperial court as an institution, and would've been seen as Japan offering penance since the princes frequently wrote to the Emperor about the shit happening on the mainland and begging him to order it to stop, and it was MacArthur who specifically wanted the Emperor to stay put. Dumb.
>>146138970Can I take a Alka-Seltzer to deal with Liberalism?
>>146139384You have to understand. People saw the Emperor as LITERAL God on Earth. If you were to execute him as a war criminal, the people would never accept the occupation, and America didn't want more BS than they already had over in the aftermath of Germany collapsing.Much as a bunch of American higher ups WANTED him dead, a few, mainly MacArthur, wisely knew that, despite everything, we can't just do to Japan what we did to Germany, or at least, we can't deal with BOTH at the same time while trying to rebuild EVERYTHING after the war.
>>146140664>Joseph teamed up with an italian tooThat's just Japan fetishizing Italy as they always do. Also lol WWII Italy.
>>146142044No we did it for the Korean War. The Berlin Wall didn't happen until 1963, Japan was making its first Shinkansen for the Olympics next year.
>>146141994>My mother's father was a Ukrainian immigrant who intentionally crashed his ATV so he wouldn't be deployed and my father's father hid in a barn for years to avoid being drafted like most French Canadian men>Everything I need to know about ultimately why fighting Hitler the wrong decision I learn aboard the USS Liberty in 1977What the absolute fuck does this have to do with Hitler being right? It just sounds like your Grandpappy was a fucking loser coward who didn't want to die for his country.
>>146141994uss liberty is the ultimate black pill
>>146137450The guy on the right portrayed as a zealot asshole but with some positive qualities, which is a more interesting and nuanced portrayal. America rarely ever portrays Nazi characters as anything other than generic irredeemable bastards because of the WW2 pre and post-war propaganda campaign, which is also why modern politicians only compare every global conflict to WW2 and every adversary to Hitler. inb4 some retard accuses me of liking Hitler
>>146137450>Western comicsYou mean American comics. And it's because America decided it liked being on a constant war-footing, and as such retained its propaganda along with its army. It's honestly pretty brilliant, declaring you need to be ever ready to fight an enemy you already defeated.
>>146137450Stroheim is very much an exception, like I seriously can't think of any other "good" Nazis in Anime. The vast majority of depictions of Nazis in Japanese media portray them as bad guys.
>>146138346Fanfic.German fags got BTFO. Cope.
>>146137707>Japan never went through Nuremberg trialsno shit, that was across the planet
>>146141415Bruh, the mexican drug cartels started in the late 70's lmao
>>146142105I really want to see what would happen if some /pol/tards were able to fulfil their fantasies of going back to WW2/ pre-WW2 to warn people about trannies and other grievances they have. Maybe someone should make show/ comic about it.
>>146142791but who started them? probably those kidsstroheim was slacking
>>146142524It sounds like a old excuse to say "I HATE JEWS".
>>146142846Realistically, no Allied Commander was going to cancel D-Day. Too much was sunk into getting it to happen in the first place. Even if in some deranged head fantasy of a poltard where the Allies agreed with the future being shit, they would still do it just because why go through all the effort and just NOT do it? Poltards think D-Day was a spur of the moment thing.
>>146142105>"Trannies in the future? Sounds like the future's problem"
>>146143106I think its more of an excuse to pull funding from the state of Israel
>>146141994>draft dodgingbased
>>146143106Why do I HAVE to like jews? They aren’t very likable at all, and they’re ugly, and they’re full of really evil people.
>>146144337man so much hate
>>146144337$10 you've never met one
>>146137450And how many more examples can you pull from? One example is not enough to form an argument
>>146137450HAKEN KREUZ
>>146142435America wanted post-war Japan to be peaceful, but under American control. The easiest way to do that was to do it in a way that would be understood by the Japanese people: keep the Emperor in office but strip him of all power, investing it in the country's new Shogun, General MacArthur.
>>146145789You’d lose that bet. I grew up in Meyerland, the petty bad-smelling fucks were everywhere. I heard them schemeing as the hurricane in 2017 was rolling in, dividing up lots of who to racket up for house insurance on people who’d buy these homes under construction getting damaged by the storm. Knowing they could milk people for damage they’d exclude from their contracts.
>>146146573And then you woke up.
>>146142632They aren't actually Nazis but Zeon in Gundam borrows heavily from Nazis and many of their lower ranking men are depicted as being morally good and only a few of the higher ups are truly evil with most just being power hungry.
>>146146573this seems unbelievable
>>146140517>and he was responsible for them anywayNaw, the entire reason why he was awakening Santana is because the Germans found the big three and needed a way to stop them. Without him, Joseph would have never learned about the pillar men or Lisa Lisa and the Pillar Men would have gotten the red stone of Aja easily.
>>146137707That's not true. Japan was guided to where they are the same way S.Korea was: American intervention.
>>146146277is this Ishinomori or Tezuka? Or neither? Such a charming style
>>146137450Woe to the Defeated"Waging a war isn't a sin - losing a war is"
>>146137830>THE WORLD IS OVERPOPULATED>THE BIRTHRATES ARE SHITlol lmao
>>146142020it's not a paradoxit's our respective societies reaching a carrying capacity.
>>146146277Pretty sure is Ishinomori.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0jFoMz4a7I
>>146137679>>146137690>>146137707lmao, redditors live in an opposite dimension.
Stroheim is an exception, besides the fact that he started out as a full villain in the series.
I think we can all agree kars was a bigger threat to humanity than hitler
>>146150221>wasmeant is, forgot he's still alive
>>146142474>It just sounds like your Grandpappy was a fucking loser coward who didn't want to die for his country.How exactly is dying for Jews in Europe dying for Canada?
>>146150221Also, the series didn't happen before America entered the war?
>>146137791Grandpa would have serious questions at this point at a bare minimum. Very few of those men were anything but ""far right"" by 2024 standards.
>>146147906>>146146603Well, it happened. I can't make you accept the truth, god knows I've tried before.I want to like them. I'm redpilled on what was done in the past, I know what the culture's like, I know the Holocaust numbers are inflated to justify through kaballah the creation of the state of Israel despite none of the other signs there... but like, you know, you get that that's all the past, and the rich fucks who need to go anyway, you don't want to believe they're ALL awful.But they are. They're just really shitty people everyway I meet them. In a book, on TV, on the internet, in real life. They just, suck. All the time and everywhere. Black people don't suck all the time. Indians don't suck all the time. Jews do. Jews suck all the time, and there's no medium to really address it all.Anyway, this here's my favorite Hitler portrayal, I want an actual comic where anime Hitler navigates a political cartoon world and anime fights them.
>>146141844sage>Japanese culture would have been permanently destroyed by executing Hirohito and replacing him with someone else.Mate, Japanese culture survived parading Hirohito around and making it clear what an out-of-touch twit he was. Shinto accepted that the god-king had bad eyesight. It would have survived going "oops, the CORRECT Emperor is Prince Mikasa" (that's the brother that went "holy shit, we're doing WHAT in China? Guys, we're the bad guys! I've written a paper about it, we have to raise awareness of how out-of-control our military has become! Guys? Guys? Hey, who locked my door?")
>>146137450What?! Red Skull is one of The hardest designs ever made, accidentally or not. + unlike original Steve Rogers Red Skull was never tranny groomer (Captain America #2) Literally original Rorschach. Compare it to Superman or Batman, every villain is some disgusting fucking freak.
>>146137690Wrong?
>>146137707Japan went through two nukes and being buck broken enough to never openly shame usatranians for nuking most Christian cities of Japan ever made, nuking civilians over "war crimes" During Christian day and 3 days later while employing actual war criminals after WW2 It's same as they buck broke Superman to get autograph of Truman and Stalin in Superman #47
>>146151688ETL?
>>146139459Tbf "Third Reich" is way funnier.
>>146137450>the difference in portrayal between western comics and other countries for ww2 germany is bizarreBro, Japan and Germany were allies. We liked Adolf in Spain too.
>>146148097Look up Operation Paperclip if you wanna see how the US ended up the way it is today. Ronald Reagan had a lot of friends in GE.
>>146137450What's the difference?
>>146153721Red Skull is a dastardly villain worse than HitlerStroheim is an honorable man that knows to repay his debts and risked his life to save the world
Stroheim is not with the good guys and didn't have a change of heart, he was just cool as fuck
>>146137690>What the fuck is wrong with japan?Yeah, why the fuck aren't they pathetic buckbroken self-loathing bitches of jews like us?
>>146137690Guy who created the original Gundam series:>Wow, imperial Japan was fucked up. I'd know, my dad made suits for fighter pilots in WW2 and I had to deal with this shit second hand. People should be their own masters.Guy who created Muv-Luv (dating sim created decades later that turned into a grim starship troopers AU):>Woah, Imperial Japan sounds fucking based! Subservient determinism would actually be good for the general populace, and goes really well with my fetish for blood royalty waifus.
>>146137690They did not go through western reprogramming and still have dignity, as much as it pissess off jews
>>146154137>Muv-Luv (dating sim created decades later that turned into a grim starship troopers AU)
>>146153963Imperial Japan was the result of being buckbroken and self-loathing, they were just stupid enough to try and revolt against their masters in '41. Japan died in 1854.
>>146145765>>146145789I think the biggest issue people have with Jews both Western and Israeli is their inherent duplicity and moral grandstanding. Jews in every other nation love to complain and kvetch their kippahs off about how bad said nation is until they get a shabbos goylem like the US Presidents or even shitstains like Putin to cuck out for them. They'll pull the crying chaim game on things like anti-immigration, fascism, military industrial complex, AI stuff, etc but as soon as Netanyahu or any Jew does any of the above, they turn yellowbelly and play the victim. If they truly believed what they preach then you can at least respect their opinion but disagree on the message. The problem is that Jews always have this conniving streak where it doesn't seem like they believe in anything except what benefits them in the moment then want to cry foul at the entire world while acting like they didn't start the shit that stank it up the first place.>For ExampleLikud started and funded a lot of the alt-right channels Jews decry as Nazism such as Breitbart, Daily Wire, and even Fox News via funding and backroom deals.>Muslim BanWhich was pushed by the Likud and other groups in the Knesset back during Obama's years. Shit people even forget Obama's a Jew too by his mother's side.>Trump is a Nazi and All his Collaborators are NAZIS & Putin PlantsThen Israel is ran by Nazis like the Likud/Netanyahu who not only had Mossad Intelligence Agencies feeding him stolen info from the DNC but also helping him with the Russian Trump Tower dealings so Russian Jewish Oligarchs could use the land as a shell corp for various dealings in the Slavic States. The reason Israel didn't want to get with Ukraine with Zelensky for a while was because Russian Jews were pumping Putin for better energy/resource trade deals and didn't want to rustle that hustle.But barely any Jew owns up to any of this but all of them love to guilt you about how everyone else is literally Hiter 24/7.
>>146142632Stroheim being a nazi is for the same reason that Speedwagon is a mugger with a confirmed killcount.The whole idea of JoJo, by Araki's own account, is "an ode to the human spirit" and the whole idea with Stroheim, Speedwagon, Kakyoin, Rohan, and Abbachio is that people from bad backgrounds still have a chance to turn to the good in themselves and make a positive impact
