>Writer/editor Mark Gruenwald originally created the Scourge in 1985 as a plot device intended to thin the criminal population of the Marvel Universe, in particular eliminating those supervillain characters he deemed to be too minor, redundant, or ill-conceivedWas he right about the villains he chose to kill? I'm going to storytime issues featuring the villains he offed. I'll do three this thread, and if you guys like it, I'll work my way through all of them over the next couple weeks, and we can decide if Gruenwald was right about them being redundant and lame or if he was wrong and never should've killed them. And I'm gonna start with Iron Man #92 and The Melter
>>146308815>Was he right about the villains he chose to kill?NO ONE is EVER wrong about killing the villain in a story.
And as a bonus, here's Melter's death from Avengers 263 (not doing the full issues where the villains died because often it was only a single page detour that had nothing to do with the rest of the issue)
>>146308971>SIX million, General!Jeez, Melter, that's pretty insensitive
>>146309026>And I would have dead, instead of him.Looks like the Melter melted more than just Tony's armor
Next up, I've got the Ghost Rider #22 and The Enforcer
Cool thread op.
And now, his death, from Iron Man 194
And last up, Marvel Team-Up 87 and the villain Hellrazor
>>146308815Neat idea for a storytime OP.>Was he right about the villains he chose to kill? He wasn't exactly wrong, most of them had fallen out of favor. It's more so underwhelming because it didn't really lead to anything all that great.>and we can decide if Gruenwald was right about them being redundant and lame or if he was wrong and never should've killed them.I mean Gruenwald himself ended going back on his stance and regretting the whole premise behind the Scourge of the Underworld. Though from a contniuity standpoint, it's kind of nuts that the Golden Age Angel was the one behind this whole thing.
>>146308815>ScourgeI've only heard of him from one short cameo in the great Spiderman storytime and in the Punisher story with the hood 90% of the revived villains deaths were credited to him.
The End. Hellrazor would die in Captain America #319 in the Bar Massacre, which I think I'll save that as a capstone storytime if we go through ALL Scourge's victims. So, verdicts on Melter, Enforcer and Hellrazor, /co/? Loser villains that were no great loss, or hidden gems that should've gotten more of a chance?And do you want me to go through all the rest?
>>146309507You'd know him better if you read Captain America Basically, it's an organization of assassins all going by "Scourge" using disguises to assassinate costumed super criminals. Scourge operatives would pop up randomly across various titles to kill a d lister up until one of them massacred everyone in the Bar With No Name so Cap got involved
>>146308815>Was he right about the villains he chose to kill?I don't think Gruenwald chose all the Scourge's victims himself, more like he put the idea of the Scourge out there and encouraged other writers to participate by having villains get assassinated by the Scourge. So Melter would have been chosen by Stern, who killed him in an issue of Avengers. But Melter and Firebrand, chosen by Gruenwald himself, were two Iron Man villains who were probably the highest-profile casualties of the storyline, and they're two of the easiest ones to argue as it being a mistake to kill them. Melter had the backstory of being a failed business rival of Tony Stark, and he had a weapon that could potentially one-shot Iron Man, making it easy to keep him a threat no matter how much power-creep Iron Man got.>>146308951Way to misunderstand the context of the thread. This isn't a "should heroes kill?" thread.>>146309428>He wasn't exactly wrong, most of them had fallen out of favor. It's more so underwhelming because it didn't really lead to anything all that great.Good point that it was basically all for nothing in the end, and lame obscure villains were doing no harm just being left in limbo, that way if anyone wanted to use them, they were still out there. It didn't even fulfil the behind the scenes reason of Marvel not having to run Handbook profiles on them, as they ended up doing profiles for dead characters anyway.
>>146309668>Scourge operatives would pop up randomly across various titlesAt the time it was all written like it was the same person (though one writer confused things and had a female Scourge), with a twist ending of Scourge being killed by someone else using the same method and slogan. The idea of it being a whole organization came later.
>>146309818>though one writer confused things and had a female ScourgeThat could've been chalked up to "damn, Scourge is great at drag" if they stuck with just a single Scourge
When I was young kid this storyline started and I was honestly very intrigued to see it play out. Who was Scourge? Where would he appear next? Who would be his next victim?It kind of fizzled out in the end, and I was pretty disappointed in the whole thing. It had the potential for so much more, this mysterious assassin weaving his way across the Marvel titles... In hindsight, I really hate the storyline because I have developed a soft spot for the D-list villains of Marvel. The kind that pop up once or twice in the 70's or in offbeat titles like The Defenders, Marvel Team-Up, Marvel Two-in-One, etc.
>>146308951oh god you're one of those freaks aren't you
I'll give Gruenwald props for throwing one of his own creations into Scourge's casualty spree, but I'll also say shame he chose one of the coolest members of the Serpent Society who didn't even get to stay brought back if you don't count the second mantle holder killed by Deadpool recently.
>>146309049shame as Melter was a founding Master of Evil and this is his best design, though admittedly I do like the current Melter a fair bit just from how he's been used and being buddies with Shocker the one time.
>>146312693See I can't get into new Melter or 8Ball because there's no real history and modern writers arent building up reasons for me to give a shit. Hanging out in a bar and just saying "hey look, he's friends with Shocker!" doesn't cut it with me. And that doesn't mean I'm opposed to legacies, but build their rep and THEN give me frivolous bullshit with them.
>>146312857I've just got my own headcanon, yes I know that's just nerd speak for copium, of the current Melter being Bruce's son who had to flush his finances dry for what should've just been his inheritance and new 8-ball just being Jeff Hagees pretending for a while he was another guy since he made a big deal of hiding his identity for a bit and who he is plus turning up alive anyway so might as well merge the two. But yeah it's a shame a lot of Writers don't share Spencer's enthusiasm to actually use and flesh out these lower end characters besides maybe Al Ewing who loves deepcuts.
>>146308867This bitch seems sus
Oldfag here.As much as I admire Gru? The Scourge purge was a bungle on two levels. First what made it interesting was the mystery of who the "Justice is served" guy was, not necessarily what he was doing. When Cap went after him the mystery had no payoff and left everybody going "thats it?" after fans had been excitedly talking about it in comic shops (funniest fan theory I remember was that Scourge was Steve Gerber's Elf with a gun who decided to kill villains instead of suburbanites) Second, killing off inventory villains just because somebody thinks they are goofy just seems like a waste. Since you already own them just leave them in prison/limbo for use when somebody WANTS to use them in an imaginative way. Frankly? DC & Marvel could use them. So many rogues have either been killed, treated as joke characters or done face-turns that the villain pool is pretty thin and these guys had their usage.
>>146313478How did Turner deal with being surrounded by all these whipper-snappers?
>>146313478>killing off inventory villains just because somebody thinks they are goofy just seems like a waste. Since you already own them just leave them in prison/limbo for use when somebody WANTS to use them in an imaginative way.OP here.I know what you mean. I didn't know most of these characters until I actually took it in my head to try this thread and started gathering the material. And now that I have, I'm just scratching my head in a few cases. (Bird Man II is especially egregious if any of you are familiar with him). Even just sticking to the three I covered today, Melter is historically significant enough that a throwaway death was beneath him, and Enforcer I think is genuinely cool (there was another issue I contemplated using instead of the Ghost Rider one where he takes on Werewolf by Night and reveals his costume uses real silver to be super effective against werewolves. Silver armor and disintegrator ring, that's some unique equipment). Hellrazor I think was a dud, so I have no strong feelings about his death, though.
Thanks.
>>146308917honestly Melter did a pretty good job fighting him for his last hurrah as it were
>>146313478>Second, killing off inventory villains just because somebody thinks they are goofy just seems like a waste.IIRC it all started because of the original Handbook of the Marvel Universe, which was Gruenwald's project. He'd committed to profiles for every living character, only to find there were a gorillion of these minor villains with only a few appearances, and having to do profiles all of them convinced him of the need to do a villain purge, and make a storyline out of it. The Handbook sold well enough, and there was so much demand for profiles on high-profile characters who were dead at the time, that it got extended for the Book of the Dead issues, so killing villains didn't stop them having to get Handbook profiles anyway.The ending of the original Scourge storyline seemed like there was never a real plan for a resolution, just the high concept of a serial killer murdering supervillains. The times Gruenwald revisited the Scourge in later stories and made it an entire organization of Scourges, alternately funded by the Red Skull or be the Golden Age Angel were just underwhelming resolutions. And now "Scourge" is just one of those mystery character identities like "Ronin" or "Eric the Red", a disguise used by other characters, but "Scourge" is usually just a brainwashed henchman for a bigger villain.
>>146309166be very different Marvel universe if he did this to Wilson Fisk huh
>>146316603Kingpin would just kick his shit in if he tried that.
>>146316691I don't know that Kingpin's WEIGHT can insulate from a disintegration ray
>>146316737>The Melter tried to disintegrate me>He failed, because of my weightIt'll work, just you weight and see.
>>146308815Thanks anon
>>146313478>>146313708>>146316429I think even Gruenwald came to regret killing off the characters
>>146308815>Was he right about the villains he chose to kill?According to Gruenwald himself, the answer is no. He admitted later that it is a mistake and not his place to suddenly kill off a bunch of characters that still had potential.
>>146309680You seem to be the one that "missed the context". What part of "no one is ever wrong about killing the villain in a story" do you not understand?
>>146319585From an in-universe view, that also is wrong. Among the ones killed by Scourge program were ones that only committed theft, which isn't a strong enough action to get a life sentence, so being shot to death is excessive.
>>146319585Considering how many some major Avengers used to be criminals or how at worst some supervillains just steal or cause public property damage and importantly how it's a waste to kill these characters just cause of a warped complex about how murdering is fine as long as you can make excuses for it in universe
>>146320029 Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Moondragon, Wonder Man, Namor, USAgent, and Sandman all did horrific things after they joined the Avengers. That is a low success rate.
>>146320289I don't think bad writers fucking up those characters and them being Avengers is a correlation or justifies the annoying murder all villains mentality
>>146308893AHHHHH HELP ME SPIDER MAN HE'S MELTING ME
>>146320645Just slow down your molecules.
>>146319664>Among the ones killed by Scourge program were ones that only committed theftOne of them you could even argue was a HERO (Rapier) so I don't understand why he was contacted by Gilbert, why he even showed up at the Bar and why Scourge killed him. (For those unfamiliar, Rapier's only story was trying to get revenge on Silvermane, so he thwarted Maggia crimes, attempted to shoot Silvermane, got stopped by and fought Spidey, and slapped his girlfriend when she interfered with his "fair fight" against Spidey). Unless you're gonna tell me that domestic abuse while wearing a mask falls under the purview of supervillainy then the man was basically "Punisher with a sword"
OP again. Since this thread is still here, wanna do another one or two before I have to go to work?Here's Black Abbott.
>>146321680Looking back, it's always funny how much less dramatic everything to do with the Black Suit/Symbiote was originally>yeah I had this suit that was actually alive or something, so Reed shot it off me with some sci-fi gun
Jesus, Spidey
Black Abbott's death by Scourge was only conveyed to us by a text blurb. Apparently he was killed with Lionfang and Wrench. And considering that Lionfang later was shown to be alive, that Wrench wasn't even a supervilllain just a regular guy bludgeoning people with a wrench AND that Gamecock survived the attempt, Black Abbott looks kinda pathetic.
Next up, how about Mind-Wave?
Spicy take: I am fine with Scourge of The Underworld, and I liked the idea of no one person actually being Scourge. Honestly, a lot of the c- and d-list villains were/are kinda dumb, and most of the time they usually get brought back for some "can you BELIEVE anyone thought this guy was a good idea?" stories, which can be fun but most of these bad guys and gals are one-and-done cases. Sometimes, you have to thin the herd.Mind you, I'm the kinda guy who thinks Tarantula is lame, because his superpower is "has knives on his shoes", so->>146321919>>146321927>>146321946>>146321957>>146321964What the fuck
And that's all she wrote for Mind-WaveHe would be another one of the crowd killed in the Bar Massacre
Bump
>>146320544A few of those characters like Namor and Moondragon flip between hero, villain and antihero regularly, but most of the others listed were just because of one writer wrecking a character, and we should blame the writer rather than the character. What the hell did US Agent do that was "horrific" after joining the Avengers?
>>146323569Work with the Thunderbolts under mind control for Wilson Fisk is most can think of.
>>146321967>which can be fun but most of these bad guys and gals are one-and-done cases. Sometimes, you have to thin the herd.I agree in a general sense, but when you break it down case by case, it gets muddy for me. Like, if the person in question is Hellrazor or Cheetah, yeah, thin the herd.But when it's Melter or Human Fly, wtf are you doing? (ymmv, obv. Someone might love the guys I hate or hate the guys I love)
>>146321967Ok Bendisfag
>>146321967>Mind you, I'm the kinda guy who thinks Tarantula is lame, because his superpower is "has knives on his shoes", so-Yeah, and that's the problemYou want to thin the herd but the easiest solution is "don't use them unless someone has a good idea"
>>146321953>Can know Mindwave's eyes are blue, even though he has a red mask that would obscure that to even people with working eyesBlind man senses too overpowered.
>>146321967Tarantula was cool. He's a self-styled Captain America of his country, but really he's an assassin who serves a dictator for self-interest. And he calls Spider-Man "El Hombre-Araña".
I'm backLet's get Cheetah out of the way. Is Marvel's Cheetah sexier than DCs? You decide
Ok, a little bit of a longer story for our next victim. Not content to be in a regular monthly issue, The Rapier only ever appeared in a Spectacular Spider-Man Annual.
>>146308815>Was he right about the villains he chose to kill?No and in fact he himself regretted it, seeing it as wrongheaded and arrogant to kill off characters he thought were worthless instead of trying to find ways to use or reinvent them.
>>146312857>>146313015The 8-Ball in Moon Knight is the original and I think the use of him has been great. His turn makes sense and he's not a good guy just because, he's a loser who was sick of being a loser, reached a low point but took inspiration from others to try and better himself and change his fortunes and maybe trying to be better as part of Moon Knight's gang of misfits is what he needs.
>>146327195>Cougar is a man>Cheetah is a manWhy is Marvel so man?
>>146327416>The RapierHe was replaced by the Rapiest
>>146327585Yeah, I know. I was more talking about the OTHER 8Ball. He probably shouldn't even exist at all with the OG still around
>>146327942Getting it a debate like this in the middle of a sword duel. Peak comic books.
Ok, so I think I got one more in me tonight, so I'm gonna end on a high note with a character I'm particularly fond of, and story that is directly responsible for leading to the events Deadly Foes of Spider-Man....We're doing the original Ringer's appearance in Spectacular Spider-Man #58
Press F for what little dignity Ringer had left.
And there we go. This asshole was responsible. This little Beetle stunt is what would send Ringer to the Bar to get iced by Scourge, because he was so desperate to make a name and get respect.And said wasting is what would inspire his widow Leila to hook up with Boomerang and infiltrate the Sinister Syndicate to try and kill Beetle. How Ringer pulled a dime like Leila I'll never know.You guys enjoying so far?
>>146328849Pretty good.
>>146324425So all he did wrong was just because of mind control? And most of the things Pietro, Wanda, Vision and Sandman did ended up having been because someone was controlling or manipulating them, too, that covers just about everything except Quicksilver in the 2000s. Moondragon, Namor and Wonderman are just dicks who don't really have an excuse most of the time, but you can't judge all of the Avengers by them.
>>146319585Because the context of this thread is about the writers of the comics deciding to kill fictional characters, not the usual retarded daily 'debates' here about the morality of superheroes killing villains.As other anons pointed out, most comic supervillains aren't Joker or Carnage-tier killers, there's no coherent argument for "just kill them, they deserve it" anyway, only the most retarded edgelord would support that. And again, we're talking about from a real world writing perspective here. Killing a character for the sake of some deck-clearing exercise, like the Scourge murders were, or for a "continuity clean-up" or just because you don't like the character, it isn't necessarily a good idea, and probably isn't going to make for a good story for the audience to enjoy.
>>146321830Gamecock lmao
>>146328849I genuinely felt real bad for Ringer the whole time, dude had a hot wife and just kept getting his teeth kicked in then died a very inglorious death. Also yeah it's just really nice to read vintage and classic marvel, it's a lot of fun
>>146329989US Agent at most is someone to trusting and loyal to authority with some ambiguous right wing views but otherwise he tries to be as much a hero as anyone else. Honestly every hero gets a moment where they are written as an OOC asshole or do something they wouldn't realistically do or doesn't suit their character remotely.
>>146328849Oh yeah kinda forgot how evil Beetle was, hes been Mach-whatever pretty much as long as ive been reading marvel.
>>146308908I can't believe Tony was wearing a wig this whole time
>>146330321he's also quite a massive dick in Deadly Foes
>>146330290And what really adds to the sadness is the real world angle of how he was killed for being "lame and redundant"....and then only 3 or 4 years later established a new Ringer.You shit on him, you kill him and then you say "actually, nah, Ringers not stupid enough to scrap. Here's a new one"
>>146330321>>146330363Reading the old comics makes me really question why he deserved a redemption arc in the first place. Abe was a piece of shit. I don't think he deserved the "all is forgiven" treatment like other villains might have
>>146330402yeah honestly if she wasn't killed in the Crossing, Rita Demara probably would've taken his place in the roster since she was planned to be included in the team.
So far>Genuinely good characterMelter, Ringer, Mind-Wave (dig that fucking tank)>Had potentialEnforcer, Rapier>Kinda crap, not a lossCheetah, Hellrazor, Black Abbott
>>146330249Imagine being "the other black guy dressed as a chicken".
>>146330381Killer Shrike managed to avoid being seen as lame except for that one time Bendis shat on him and had the characters acting like not knowing what a Shrike is as mockery is excusable to the guy with a bright fucking bird as a logo on his chest. Anyway on topic yeah Ringer had it rough, didn't even get to stick around when he was brought back as a cyborg and his wife died shortly after he did.
>>146330306US Agent was a pretty rounded character in the 80s and 90s, but as time went on it became obvious some writers were mistreating him just because he was that one openly conservative superhero Marvel had.
>>146330481> even get to stick around when he was brought back as a cyborgI'm actually glad about that bit. "Strikeback" was fucking stupid.
>>146330528yeah it's kinda funny how writers in the 80's managed to be more nuanced with characters then so many current ones. I don't even agree with american conservative values but people like that exist who still are decent people so US Agent is an interesting character cause of his beliefs and how he isn't like Captain America but tries to be as good as he can in his shadow. Like I think superheroes with varied views or faith/beliefs is very interesting and can be compelling like how Beta Ray Bill doesn't believe in the worship or deification of gods even though he knows beings as close to them, he just believes in the inherent qualities of the average being which makes a nice contrast to Gorr who despises the gods and used to believe in them.
>>146330539oh agreed that was not the way to fix him and was honestly goofier them him just being the Ringer. I also liked Leila Davis better out of a costume, which is rare since bodysuit clad outfits unga my bunga, though she also mostly used the Beetle armour ironically in her last appearances.
>>146330478Gamecock is the best one though He's funny looking but in a good wayBlack Talon is funny looking in a stupid wayAnd Bantam barely even looks chickeny so he's the boring one
>>146330592>I also liked Leila Davis better out of a costume Me too but for me it's more that Hardshell and Beetle II as identities for her didn't work. I think she could've worked as a costumed super criminal, they just didn't find one that worked.
>>146330402Beetle had some stories were he was more sympathetic, but he'd probably have been better off staying a villain, he might still be alive if he had.>>146330450I know she would have been part of the original Thunderbolts plan if she hadn't died, but she probably would have had Songbird's role, not Beetle's.>>146330481I don't like having to cut Bendis some slack, but in fairness to that "not knowing what a shrike is" scene, it's specifically the SHIELD agents interrogating him trying to mock and humiliate him as part of their attempt to get him to talk. In the same issue they try similar tactics to try to get Jack O'Lantern to talk, but he hasn't just been beaten up by Iron Man and Thor like Killer Shrike had, and it doesn't work so well for them. Bendis being one of the few guys to treat Jason Macendale with some respect was unexpected.
>>146330341Kek
>>146330596Gamecock and Bantam are both dead though. They got too cocky
>>146330629a unique identity could've of worked, could've been easy to say just make her the new Ringer but be better to give her a unique thing perhaps mixing her getaway driver role, manipulating members of the team or that she uses other villains left over gear.
>>146330381>You shit on him, you kill him and then you say "actually, nah, Ringers not stupid enough to scrap. Here's a new one">Killer Shrike and Coachwhip spend the whole issue mocking the new Ringer>Ringer 2 is such a loser he accidentally causes Killer Shrike's defeatThey literally introduced a new version of him so he could be a lame loser everyone makes fun of.
>>146330669Even if she wasn't a new female Ringer, I think incorporating the rings would've been a must since she seemed like she used them way better than Anthony ever did
>>146330705Exactly, which begs the question "why kill the old one" when that was his job already?
>>146330667I thought Gamecock was alive?
>>146330645pity, I like Songbird decently enough but i'm obsessed with Rita Demara recently so kinda wish was in the universe where she got the blowup push Songbird did and maybe even playable in UMA2 lol.Suppose that's a fair way to read into the scene but Bendis's pathological shitting on characters makes it really hard or how pathetic he writes Killer Shrike when his flaw was being a nasty, antagonistic and unpleasant thug who tried to rip off Tinkerer as soon as he upgraded him once then being a mopey sad sack who's bullied by SHIELD agents in a just unpleasant way. Still yeah that is very ironic that he's decent to Jason Marcendale. He also used to oddly treat Wrecker and the Wrecking Crew fairly well at first to.
>>146330772She was more or less reformed already, so that version of Thunderbolts must have been fairly different.
>>146330867I could see it being her joining the team as a liaison from what's left of the Avengers at the time or being blackmailed by Zemo perhaps with the stuff they were gonna flesh out about her perhaps.
>>146330729That's just different writers and editors having different opinions. The whole Scourge saga should have taught writers to not just kill off minor villains, because someone else might want to use them one day.>>146330758Didn't he die in a fighting tournament story in Wolverine's book almost 25 years ago? Has he come back since that?>>146330772I'm willing to cut him some slack on how pathetic Killer Shrike seemed in the immediate aftermath of getting beaten pretty badly by Iron Man and Thor, he probably should have been in hospital and he's getting interrogated by smug SHIELD guys instead and he broke. Bendis actually knowing Macendale was ex-CIA and having him threaten SHIELD with classified info, and then demanding they pay him if they want him to talk, it makes it a shame Marvel ignored that appearance and insisted on keeping him dead. I remember an early New Avengers issue where he wrote the Wrecker as a threat to most of the team, then Marvel as a whole just started treating the Wrecking Crew as jobbers anyone could beat.
>>146330970> he die in a fighting tournament story in Wolverine's book almost 25 years ago? Has he come back since thatRumors of his death were greatly exaggerated (from 2016)
>>146331030Why's he running away, is he chicken or something?
Started reading Deadly Foes now, nice to see the Boomer/Shocker friendship thats lasted to modern books
>>146330970Yeah Bendis had the Wrecker actually decimate Spider-man, Wolverine and the team after his breakout which is better respect for his capability then he's had in a good while, plus later on had him say he liked Ms Marvel being thicc in an odd scene. It says something that the U-Foes get respected and treated better by writers then the whole Wrecking Crew despite being a similar league of 4 villains that belong to a massive heavy hitter's rogues gallery, though I think the U-Foes are overall more distinct as a group of individuals and specific characters.Of the Wrecking Crew, Wrecker and Thunderball are the ones most like as characters and from a design standpoint since both have solid hooks/fleshing out over the years, Piledriver has his moments but Bulldozer just has nothing except a good design in EMH.Suppose that's fair enough in the story but it's just Bendis's history of character treatment makes it harder to give the benefit of the doubt. Constrictor was another villain I was surprised in his writing he gave some reverence as Sabertooth compliments him quite strongly as a villain in one issue of Bendis Iron Fist and lays into his son taking the mantle.
>>146321830Scourge looks so sad in that panel, it's adorable.
>>146309049Melter was based, they shouldn't have killed him.>>146309101>Enforcer hired the Gladiator to kill the original Eel for himThat doesn't make me want to like this guy.>>146309446Killrazor is more memorable cosplaying as Black Panther with a rifle than he is in his own villain identity, that isn't a good sign.>>146321710So how did Black Abbott lose his arm?>>146321752Dick move, Peter, even if it was for a good cause.>>146321830>Black Abbott looks kinda pathetic.But if he has more than one body, could he have survived Scourge killing one of them?
>>146327213>Have sex with girl>Her hot roommate immediately hits on you the next morningDamn, Rick must be something else.
>>146331473Yeah Melter getting killed off despite being a founding Master of Evil was a shame, he also never gets used in adaptions and even missed a chance in Armoured Adventures which did great stuff with nearly ever other villain it had.
>>146308815Bump
>>146330249I seriously hope no one suddenly decides to revamp him into a Doomcock/Fandom Menace/CG/Youtuber analogue
>>146309026>I would have dead, instead of him.
>>146321830YOU GOTTA POST THE NEXT PAGE
>>146333672Here you go, Anon
>>146331473>But if he has more than one body, could he have survived Scourge killing one of themI don't think there's a definitive answer. But I will say that this story established that the body with the little beard and the red in the costume was the "main" body, and it was confirmed that that's the one Scourge killed by virtue of that being the one resurrected by Hood in that punisher story iirc. So interpret that however you want
Bump.
