I swear was reading the glob storyline and will they never stop making the x men schizos. They always turn into authoritarians and gaslighting crybabies. They'll say how much the world hates them as they control other mutants and call themselves homo-superior. At this point any allegory for them doesn't work and they should just lean into a new one of when the out group becomes the in group but pretends they are still the victims. It sucks as X men was one of my first introductions to Marvel as a whole. Seeing what they've become is quite heart breaking every other run is them being serial killers or genocidal
>>146425755Though glob is innocent I love glob, he's really one of those examples of what being a mutant used to be.
>>146425768I like how freaky he is and how homestly kind of cruddy his powers are , i can see why someone would want to stone it to death
>>146425755The basic answer is that the inherent message of X-men changed from "Even with our powers we're more alike than you think and that's what's important" to "Our powers make us more special than you and that's what's important". And given how many x-men fans love to self-insert as the X-men, you can see how much they've broken their backs to fellate themselves.And frankly, that shit is so weird when you compare it to almost every other comic book out there, even other mutants from other Marvel series have more interest in talking about their experiences and worldview as superheroes than they are as mutants. Hell, Wanda Maximoff was a victim of visceral mutant hatred far more often than the X-men used to be due to outright being driven out of her neighborhood by racist arsonists, yet you'd never know that from how much people were baying for her blood come "No More Mutants lol".
>>146426107I mean on first glance yes but come one he's not even that dangerous. Not like he's made of acid he's made out of flesh wax/goo. >>146426272True but now it's getting to the point it's insane, like that storyline of one of the X men I think named Sage the plant one. She went on a murder spree over a guy throwing out a straw or a soda can ring that killed a turtle. An then instead of putting her down the X men faked her death and brought her back using the bs revival system. How can you write that and not realize you are a sociopath if you think these are the heroes. It wasn't even like a group of sociopathic teens beating a turtle to death it was just some trash a guy threw out by accident probably and she murders him and tons of other people. An she's still part of the new x men line up how do you make that shit up and think that's good writingYeah the x men are insane now as you said it went from we are different and that's ok, to we are different and until you realize that makes us your better we'll live on our self governed island as gods. I hate wanda now because of just how wanked she is and wanda vision, but you aren't wrong. Though that was the majority of the X-men early on they had tons of bs going on where they were really victims of a bs system and tons of abuse. But now I feel they were right about trying to kill them all as they have shown unlike any other super powered individuals or groups something about mutants make them sociopathic and have god complexes. They've literally even altered other mutants memories and backstories for them they are basically the SS-Men, going around kidnapping mutants "for their own good" no wonder why the people hate them. Fuck evil superman someone should make a x-men parody comic focusing on the 80s-00s x men being propaganda and the new x men being what they really were like kidnapping kids to make a ethno state and indoctrinating them into thinking they were victimized and should rule over humans
>>146425755Glob is more Psychotic and homicidal than most villains Writers ignoring that to make him the relatable fat sadsack is worse writing than anything else OP mentioned
>>146425755The Mutant Metaphor and its consequences have been a disaster for the Marvel universe.
>>146426479That was Nature Girl. And really, half the reason I remember that was because it was so beyond out of character for someone who was basically an avowed pacifist to outright murder a man by stabbing him in the neck with a pair of scissors. Which I think is the main thing that freaks me out, just how judiciously vicious and mean the X-men are as a whole now. Like even guys like Thor and Hercules tend to consider offering mercy to their foes first before curbstomping them, nowadays the X-men have to outright talk themselves or each other into sparing some random mook's life.
>>146426499Examples
>>146425755They went from American race allegory to a chosen people allegory and started power-wanking the strongest of them to the point that the core concept of the franchise has been ruined.The X-Men are assholes. I want to read about the downtrodden mutants on the fringes of society not omega level this, muh phoenix that.
>>146426963Yeah, I want a series focusing on the guys with shifty powers.They could be students at the school, with more famous characters getting cameos and dropping in and out.
>>146426963>>146427021Stuff like that makes me miss X-Statix more every day.
>>146427021>Yeah, I want a series focusing on the guys with shifty powers.>They could be students at the school,I guess this is why a lot of people have fond memories of this High School X-men show(the one with Goth Rouge) the Xmen there were pretty much teen show but with Powers that were not that wanked and were having relatable problems, other then Phoenix
>>146426479Reminds me that around the same time they had kitty go on a killing spree over a genocide that didn't even happen she naturally was the last person to find out. Nobody tries to talk her down or anything she just kills a bunch of people and then when it's all over no one says a thing or even Acknowledges that happen. Not even Kamala who is a huge moralfag.
>>146426963Nerds didn't like X-Men because of any race allegory they identified with the outcasts because they were outcasts for being nerds.Classic power fantasy.>Maybe people treat me differnt because I'm secretly special and better than them.
>>146426530Truly it has, really became so depressing how badly they've portrayed them. It's not even just 1 or 2 bad runs it's just 1 long shit show.>>146426723Yeah and didn't she murder some cops or other people besides just him? Also yeah found the scene ironically the guy she kills first with the scissors is just the store manager. He literally has nothing to do with who threw it out in the first place. Just a guy doing his job most likely working for a corporate chain and she kills him it's insane. Also hilarious how to find the comic and image had to go to reddit and obviously saw some idiots defending it lolYeah the x men are really on demon time, they have no concept of mercy for any non mutants. Less we forget when they went into a cold war with the other heroes because of all their bs and then they acted like they were the victims. I miss when we had plucky wholesome kid/teen characters as our insert characters to see the x men as these great heroes and kind people just trying to live their lives even though they were different. Now even the young x men are psychos or killing "normies" because it's ok they are the victim race not the non powered humans. >>146426963Yeah really the omega levels were cool as a concept but god they are terrifying with how often the X men wipe minds and take over towns,cities,states and countries. They have a canon where they literally mind wipe a whole city daily so they can keep them under complete control. An that includes the young x men in training/mutant kids it's insane how far they've gone.
>>146427088Isn't that the one where the guy literally puts his gun down and begs kitty saying he has a family and he won't be racist anymore or evil. Then she slowly lets him fall into the ground then turns him solid so he splits in half? Really I hate new kitty as god is it cool seeing her powers but man is the concept stupid.KiTtY pRyDe Is A nInJa, so stupid also yeah like they just let her go on a massive human killing spree and the whole point was. Well her people and friends were genocided and then she learns actually they weren't and she did some heinous stuff during that arc to
>>146427158Oh, Nature Girl went full blown supervillain real fast. She did it so hard that Gaia, actual Mother Nature herself, told the that she was going way too far and that the way Nature Girl was going she'd have doomed far more of the planet than if they'd just waited for humanity to finally reign themselves in.And like usual for the X-men, guess whether the lesson actually sank in or Nature Girl just doubled down and just had to walk away feeling sorry for themselves because daddy/mommy issues.
>another thread whinging & moaning
>>146427229We whine because we miss this type of rogue and x men when they were fun
>>146427158Nature girl killed way more people than that to this day has a no repercussions outside of Gaea being disappointed in her
>>146427209As I said the weird part was she got away with it, and they all laugh about it damn near. "Ha those pesky humans thought we'd actually punish one of our own for going on a little murder spree."Like their excuse is they disavow her and kicked her from coming back I believe. But like bro you let a sociopath back out in the public where no one but you can stop her. As you said they left her to feel a bit sorry for making everyone feel betrayed but she still killed people and harmed many. She basically got off scott free and the x men/mutant counsel just said well don't do it again. An now she's just crazy I guess which makes me hate her character in other runs because I now know all it takes is one fucking sea turtle for that cute quirky nature girl to turn into a whole ass schizo.>>146427021Actually that does sound fun, definitely more fun than what we get now which is like a facist ethno state but the people think they are the victims so they double down on the bs. Like messing with the whole worlds mind/memories to turn kamala into a mutant
>>146427329Yeah posted that right above they let her go for god knows what reason. Really at this point we need a Marvel vs X men event. Because they are basically villains now, they are worse than doom damn near at least doom is a schizo that thinks he could lead the world. An he has some levels of talent and intellect to prove it but he's a petty vindictive asshole but he knows it. The X men genuinely think the world is against them when now their are enough mutants for them to be classified as a country/ethnic group. They have a seat at the UN, They have their own country and weapons. How can they be viewed as anything other than a hostile nation they are like the north Korea of marvel.
>>146427353The whole Krakoa era was a mistake. But the X-men forgiving each other for being a mutant was an extra mistake given the implications involved in the "metaphor".>>146427396To be fair they status quo'd that away in order to make the X-men back to their 'sympathetic' marketable selves, but considering how much x-fans already miss Krakoa we'll see how true that stays
>>146427449Yeah that's like forgiving someone just because they are the same thing as you. Ah you are a pedophile but it's ok cause we the same "insert thing" it's ridiculous. Like sure, maybe you give them the benefit of the doubt if you feel they are being unjustly persecuted, but if they did it fuck them.I mean you can't status quo away years of bs krakoa was what 2018-2024? that's still over 5 years my guy. An they were assholes for years before that as well. But hopefully we can get back to more wholesome x men. Though now I've hyped up x men getting fucked up by the heroes in my head lol.ALSO, WHO DAFUQ MISSES KRAKOA?!!
>>146427527I miss the promise of Krakoa and the utopia with a rotten core that Hickman was clearly building. That first year and a half was great.Fuck the rest.
>>146427158The fact that they had to contrive this incredibly stupid character motivation and then still contrive further reasons for why she should be justified to attack random retail workers by making them say something stupid still boils my blood. No editor with half a brain should have okay'd this script nor this concept.
>>146427599Then it became a rotten dystopia with a shitcore, truly peak marvel writing. I just feel they need to scrap the x men at this point no one can write them it seems. Or just fully reboot to the classic versions people obviously like the old cartoons and that new one as well just say fuck it and reset fully only like 1000 mutants max 1 institute magneto evil etc.>>146427600The irony is nothing he said should lead to his murder just feels like a snippy comeback at a obviously rude customer. He doesn't know her he didn't kill the turtle why should he care or not be annoyed she came into his job yelling at him. Shit for all she knows he's not even the general manager and is just a floor manager. He probably doesn't even own that bodega/location.But writing has gone down a lot and they love making strawmen who don't even deserve this. Which is why most of these moralistic POVs fall flat or make people sympathize with the so called "aggressor".>Poor Owen jr, he finally took over the family business and then some schizo mutie came in and killed him.
>>146425768There were none like him when X-Men was popular. He's from phase 3 of complaints about how mutants were hated and feared despite being beautiful and having useful powers.
>>146427844Yeah true I don't what I like more humans with powers that can be dangerous without being taught or a mix with ugly fucking demoniods that would be like body horror/nightmares if seen irl.
>>146427527>>146427449Qrd on Krakoa?Isn't it that living island? That then became a country for mutans and that they could be rebirth'd if there were 3 plus mutans on it or something. What went wrong?
>>146427889Marvel blew it up, and then the X-men got booted from Krakoa 2.0
>>146427966Dazzler died for this bullshit.
>>146427844The Morlocks were a thing. Didn't X-Factor have Leech and that other kid running around with them in the late 80s?
>>146427889Everything, I mean the revival factor alone ruins stakes and the fact as krakoa went on they add more and more mutants til the point they had like what 20+ omega levels which meant most were able to beat any real threats and if they couldn't they'd be revived. It also made the mutants even more holier than thou about being "homo superior" and going about treating themselves like the promiseland and becoming more distant from the outside world making them come off vain and pretentious.Then add on all the revivals deaths and weird krakoa being alive and revived itself in one way or another but based on what I heard it's finally dead for good this time.
>>146427889Is that markdaysaid?
>>146425755>ruinedThey have NEVER been good.
>>146429610Come on now they were pretty good in the classic days
>>146427966Technically they can be in both places at the same time. The Krakoa in the White Hot Room can just hatch their own Xavier, Magneto, Rightclops, and all of them. They just realized the others were complete and utter assholes unsuited for the job of ruling over Mutie Paradise.
>ITT
>>146425755X-Men now feels like one shot alt universe Excalibur would've visited during like the Claremont run of that book but it's gone on for too long now.
Don't worry, they also ruined Captain Britain and all the associated heroes and villains there by sewing that plot onto Krakatoa and mutants. So you got fucking Gambit et al going to the Fae and doing shit because errr reasons! Ruined two things.
>>146428094Caliban made the Morlocks ugly.Caliban was one freak among them.
Just gonna leave this here, Black Mamba being on point
>>146430395Honestly, all that Krakoa's shown is that none of them "deserve" mutant paradise and that Xavier's original dream was objectively the right one. But considering it's Marvel, it's never gonna happen, so fuck 'em all
>>146430525Gambit doing shit with fae happened even before the Excalibur run anon, he stole the sword back in his 2012 mini and got involved in a bunch of magic shit during it thanks to being forced to work with a glowie wizard. If anything he's one of the few that made it though Krakoa without being character assassinated due to bring in the background most of the run time
I always find it audacious that X-men fans love to demean and slander the Avengers as apparently just being cops when this story literally has X-men arrest and put people on trial, also Wolverine should've punched this obnoxious shit harder.
>>146431119>/a/ reacts to Shikanoko Noko Koshitantan
>>146431262I'm mostly just familiar with Kamen Rider's rider kicking deer themed kaijin
>>146430793Masque was the one making them ugly. Out of the OG Morlocks only Masque, Caliban, and the ape looking dude were the only naturally deformed ones.
>>146431165I don't know, people liked Cyclops being heroic again, so much so he personally decided to restart the X-Men not to protect Krakoa but to protect the entire world and to show mutants doing good things for everyone, human and mutant alike. He basically told the Council it's done and they can either get on board or get out of the way.
>>146431206>Krakoan law enforcement beating a child before her arrest and execution without due process.jpgWolverine had a multiyear stint on the Avengers and at least a dozen X-Men have been active or reserve Avengers members - before you get to the Unity Squads.
>>146427811The writers were cowards by not having the plastic be a discarded fishing net and the perpetrators be Chinese fishing boats who are raping the ocean with pollution and overfishing in territories they have no rights to. But having a white girl supremacist tearing up Chinese big business would be too problematic and not come off as self-righteous enough.
>>146427158The cold war with the other heroes was the last time the comics were good. The Rightclops era (Morrison to Bendis) is the best era of modern X-Men comics.
>>146431686yeah the funniest part is X-men become much more likeable and less cunty when they hang on the Avengers team which is just god damn hilarious to my biased ass. Also I don't even disagree with Nature Girl since I love the environment and animals to but like how she goes about it is the most inefficient and psycho way that just escalates the thing and doesn't change anything, plus it's funny cause over where I live they try as hard as possible to phase out plastic bags and straws plus the whole get 10 cents recycling bottles n cans which yeah bribing to save environment is kinda sad but if it works.
>>146431579The problem is that Cyclops faced no meaningful opposition from the Council nor did he meaningfully oppose the Council. He was still the good soldier through and through, he just had some personal privileges he could carry out. It's why one of the main criticisms was that they were a propaganda team.>>146430395That's rich considering no one gave the slightest shit how Krakoa was run while damn near everyone contributed to the issues plaguing Krakoa as a society. It's just whining by people upset the orgy was interrupted for a brief period and looking for a scapegoat.
>>146427396Hell even when Doom ruled the universe he stepped down when he realised Reed could do it better. When the X-Men ruled the world they drowned Wakanda.
>>146426530Fags and women ruin everything.
>>146432295Why would there need to be major opposition from the Council? Jean was on the fucking Council at that time, but you seriously expected Nightcrawler, Storm, and Kitty to throw down against this plan? Emma still as a complicated relationship with Scott. Xavier was more upset about decisions being made without their approval, such as Scott stepping down as their captain commander and appointing Bishop in his place.
>>146432674Because it's not him standing up to anything. It's him going "I'm reforming the X-Men and you can't stop me" to which the Council, who is made up of his friends and members of the X-Men, said "Why would we stop you?"
>>146432785Its him flexing his influence in a vaguely horizontal direction.
>>146432785I mean if he said, "I'm reforming the X-Men and you can't stop me" and they indeed couldn't stop him, what's the problem? You can't handle the Rightclops?
>>146432785I don't think Exodus, Sinister, Apocalypse, Sebastion Shaw, Mystique are their friends or natural proponents of the X-Men.
>>146432295>It's why one of the main criticisms was that they were a propaganda team.God imagine if we got an X-Men vs X-Force civil war over Terra Verde the sheer drama of it too imagine Cyke finding out his wife, ex-wife and Eskimo Bro were complicit in covering up a genocide
>>146432521>When the X-Men ruled the world they drowned WakandaHell when the X-men ruled the West Coast they ran an apartheid state with Mengle tier "research" labs
>>146432986Drowning Wakanda was a positive aspect of the mutant regime.
>>146432866It also helps to recall that the Council didn't let the opportunity pass by. Xavier and Magneto may not have been overjoyed having Cyclops do an endrun around them, but it made for good PR and the roster was incorporated into that stupid gala events. I think Cyke and Jean retained rights to some membership details, namely themselves and I think that's how they kept Synch on. Technically they got Cyclops back with the Captain Krakoa thing, but then he did another end run and told a reporter about Resurrection. A lot of members weren't happy with that, especially Emma, who had to deal with the political and PR ramifications.
I think mutants should stop milking Genosha as a gotcha when Washington being massacred by Kang and Ultron just wiping Slorenia of its people happened on arguably bigger scales.
>>146433086And loose their victim status?
>>146433112It mostly annoys me cause you have troglydites clap like seals for when Emma used that as some where were you Avengers for the 5 minute genocide done by a mutant controlling sentinels when last I checked I didn't see any X-Men helping out in those instances to my recollection.
>>146433112Haven't they technically? Genosha's population was all resurrected (while their ghost soul essence shit was shipped to the past to become early mutants millions of years ago).
>>146433173Still waiting on a writer with the stones to have a character ask the X-Men where they were whenever they get uppity about Genosha.
>>146431165What was Xaviers original goal? I do think it did prove that the mutants are actually worse than humans. At least humans on mass aren't anti mutant but the mutants easily become cult like when given any freedom or powers.>>146431206Yeah that kid was a schizo, he really just wanted a reason to go around killing humans. They really made mutie hate look logical in the last 5-8 years of these runs. The mutants tend to do more damage than the heroes and intentionally.>>146431119Yeah she was on point and boy did seeing that brat get her ass beat feel good, crazy how she was portrayed as the victim and not completely wrong
>>146431717I don't know how as you said and we all know they are one of the biggest pollutant countries. In fact besides maybe like japan isn't a big thing that most of the eastern world does the majority of pollution compared to the US? An unlike the US where some are trying to make new laws and requirements to effect our bigger companies like fines for chemical fires, or landfills etc to keep them from just ruining the country. But China specifically has shown no signs of caring or stopping but as you said they'd never show that or call that out somehow that's wrong.>>146431794I def liked it better than krakoa but wasn't a fan on how it portrayed mutants and the x men in my opinion but at least something non pretentious was going on.>>146432521Lol they did no fuckin way how'd marvel explain that shit away? We drowned the blacks but were still a allegory for them don't worry about it bros. Also wasn't storm t'challa's wife? how'd she let them do that?
>>146431579Honestly normal cyclops is cool asf and as a classic cyclops fan I'm so happy he's getting some of his original love back. From capcom and the new show showing cyclops is actually strong and cool without all the mutant supremacist stuff. Also kind of tired of wolverine wank and all the cuck stuff with jean grey and her muh phoneix force. I want more classic x men stuff just versatile abilities and ones that feel like a genuine burden. An scott was peak and a og classic of how their powers were a burden not a blessing.>>146432295I would hope they'd learn but it is marvel and x men writers. They should have scott be a bit disillusioned and now more confident to not be a boy scout for the mutie heads and rather be a bit like supes where he's a boy scout but with his own moral code and values that don't always line up with the leaders.>>146432674>>146432785Ok that's kind of hilarious but really sometimes they would make a big point about how much the x men were against 1 another in this new era. Like when you'd have one going rogue killing or fighting humans and another doing brainwashing or going evil. This was truly possibly the worst era of the x men as they made them not even feel like friends but just a bunch of racist that hung out because of their "racial purity"
>>146433751Iirc then Storm actively took part in the drowning of Wakanda(On the side of the drowners) And Black Panther yells at her that he wants a divorce as his country is destroyed.
>>146433875Namor flooded Wakanda. Storm wasn't there.Storm shows up after the flood to help and is told to leave. Black Panther tells her their marriage has been annulled and she's no longer welcome in Wakanda.
Its weird how Magneto is somehow the least Jewish mutant, despite his origin.
>>146425755SHUT UP COMICFAGS
wanda did nothing wrong, TMD
>>146433851>a bunch of racist that hung out because of their "racial purity"Oh no, the white supremacist angle works so goddamn well with Krakoa, even down to the constant infighting and duplicity. Children of the Vault and Terra Verde? Rival gangs. Foot soldiers for the Shi'ar? Hired muscle for organized crime. Orchis? Federal joint taskforce. Krakoa is 100% the X-Men's neo-Nazi arc.
>>146433751>We drowned the blacks but were still a allegory for them don't worry about it brosDon't they were ever meant to be an allegory for the blacks but for the hooked nose instead with these promised land and shiet
>>146434251Yeah why I joked about them being like SS-Men, they even terrorize their own mutant friends. Also why I pitched a parody about the X-men being the propaganda and them really being authoritarian schizos who see themselves as the victim.But as we are yeah this was ironically an example of the writers being so naive they turned their out group into a neo nazi in group.>>146433875Damn, what a divorce lol. I kind of love thinking this scene in my head just storm looking down on t'challa as he angrily waves his fist in the air and shouts at her like a old 70s dad. The ole "why I oughta". But man the X men having any friends after their years of terror would be a miracle.
>>146434453Well now they are a mix of Black and lgbt allegory if I remember. Though they occasionally mix in native allegories in there as well.
>>146434494Black Panther pulls a Henry VIII, and uses the fact that he is/was the head of Wakanda and its official religion to just divorce Storm with no alimony.
>>146433057Oh yeah I forgot you freaks jerk off to that scene
>>146434680I actually never thought about it but I wonder if most countries even have alimony? I'd get child support but alimonies kind of dumb
>>146434251>Krakoa is 100% the X-Men's neo-Nazi arc.Lmao glad I'm not the only one who noticed, they even had those weird moments of cynical spiteful intersectionality that nazis occasionally pull out
>>146434680>just divorce Storm with no alimony.Let's be honest there was SOME alimony considering Storm now has a giant UFO city/nature preserve that rivals the Avenger's new HQ
>>146434907>>146434860I say again we need a Heroes vs the X-men these fuckers have done so much bs that most of their villains would be like "damn" too and they haven't gotten a single true repurcussion because they scream buh muh racism/prejudice
>>146426272>The means are as important as the endsThat's funny coming from the guy that has been leading military strike teams of anti-heroes and terrorists for like the past decade.
>>146434826>but alimonies kind of dumbAlimony makes sense back in the day when women didn't have any/many opportunities to get a job or make money outside of her husband now a days it's absolute bullshit especially in an age of two income households and women outnumbering men in higher education
>>146434938The X-Men have gone so far off the deep end, that Magneto is the most noble amongst them.
>>146433675>What was Xaviers original goal?Basically, show humanity that the emergence of mutants is beneficial for everyone involved, and work together with regular mankind to usher in a golden age. Which, based on the initial reaction to mutants being a legitimate combination of both skeptics and people who outright welcomed the X-men with open arms rather than universal hatred, means his idea could have worked if it weren't for cunts like Magneto or Bolivair Trask existing
>>146426272Well it's basically the same change the LGBTqrjetc crowds message has changed from just accept us as normal cause we are just like you to treat as as special because we are better than you
>>146434955Unironically insane, he really seems like a saint to them at times especially since he'll actually occasionally call out his own hatred and question himself. Unlike the SS-men who can't fathom being wrong. >>146435196True, and kind of forgot with how far we've gotten from it. I forget his dreams and goals when all he does is wear that villainous suit and mask in these new saga.
>>146427060>this High School X-men show(the one with Goth Rouge)It's called X-Men Evolution since you seem to have forgotten.
>>146435351I can't tell which rogue I liked better, ditzy southern belle rogue from the 80s-90s or goth/depressed emo rogue from the early 00s
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>>146427966At what point did Nimrod ever display a sense of humor before this
>>146435655Cause it's technically not the actual Nimrod we're familiar with, it's an alternate version built far earlier than intended for the sake of giving Orchis some credibility it never earned.
>>146426963>They went from American race allegory to a chosen people allegory and started power-wanking the strongest of them to the point that the core concept of the franchise has been ruined.this is probably the natural progression of the franchise. What kid read x-men and thought the characters were race allegories? They saw a bunch of awesome strong guys and hot girls that they wanted to be and date. the race allegory falls apart because kids dont give a shit about it.
>>146434494I prefer the term "Waffen-XX" but SS-Men is pretty good.>>146434860Lets be real, Emma Frost would totally be one of those women who treats gay guys as pets and performatively dates other women for clout.
>>146435309Magneto is worse as his self-reflection always comes back around to him deciding overthrowing humanity and crushing them under is the right call, and using said period of reflection to paint himself as a tormented, noble soul forced into action.
>>146425755>At this point any allegory for them doesn't work and they should just lean into a new one of when the out group becomes the in group but pretends they are still the victims.Zionists. They are effectively now a Zionism allegory. Krakoa era went as far as to almost make this explicit, but most of the writers were too smoothbrained to get it.
>>146436004I get the reference of yours but yours sounds like nazi porn lol. it's the double x's>>146436075True but at least he knows he's a piece of shi and most part is portrayed as wrong or at least used to be.
>>146436200Zionism doesn't really work outside a surface level.
>>146436292Why do you say this? Interested in hearing your thoughts anon.
>>146436200I think you mean Arabs, who should be treated for what happened to Christians in Middle East the same way they want to treat Jews in Europe and America
You know another thing I feel only is big in X men. THESE FUCKERS DO NOT RESPECT PEOPLE'S MENTAL AUTONOMY! Every damn story has at least 1 mind fucker who does some shit where they erase a young mutants memories to help them cope or to pacify them.I think that's the weirdest and scariest part about Mutants on average I think they make up what 80% of marvel's psychic power users. An they are always doing some forced mental attacks, like the time professor X erase all of the US memories. Or that X-man arc where he made a weird reality warp where he made everyone forget they hated mutants but had a secret police for just in case you remembered the old world.
How do the heroes not just join in on the mutant hunts at this point?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hHAH-71Ao
>>146427158>Yeah and didn't she murder some cops or other people besides just him? Also yeah found the scene ironically the guy she kills first with the scissors is just the store manager. He literally has nothing to do with who threw it out in the first place. Just a guy doing his job most likely working for a corporate chain and she kills him it's insane.Thats completely retarded, its like going up to a set janitor and screaming how this movies art direction was total shit.I wonder if you cant just show super powered people murdering CEOs or politicians casually like they always could have been doing to solve a lot of problems or if the writers are just that lazy / stupid.
>>146436877Definitely writer cope, they live in cali and NY where you have to do all that paper straw stuff. I'm sure they went to some small town and saw le gasp god forbid a non reuseable plastic bag and they as the schizos they are had beef and made a whole comic around a argument they had with the manager. They some how never truly have beef with reasonable people like a CEO or if they do it's super short live and instant this scene feels petty and deliberate. Also think it depends on if they can kill them like Elon I've seen him die like 5 times in different shows in the last 3ish years
>>146425755Ahh X-Men...nothing better than reading a story about a group of people who hates the rest of humanity...
>>146437041See, but it used to be wholesome, about a group that wanted to be part of humanity and tried to show no matter what. They were good people even through bigotry and setbacks.
>>146437041>group of people who hates the rest of humanity...I now Wanna imagine Mutant 4chan>NGMI If not Omega
>>146436400It's a pretty drawn out comparison, but essentially the issues with Zionism and Israel are rooted in ethnoreligious and economic conflict going back to the 19th century in a historically immediate sense with underpinnings and underlying disputes going back centuries. Krakoa is an island in the middle of nowhere full of demographically homogeneous people who all agree on all points and whose problems are caused by their relentless attempts to stick their dick in everyone else's business. None of the actual sticking points of Zionism apply to Krakoa, especially considering Krakoa is a sentient, sapient being itself that consents to serving as the territory of a mutant nation-state. A better Zionism comparison would be Mags taking over Genosha, but that still only works in broad strokes and breaks down when you look at it closely, much the same way that original Genosha was South Africa if you only read the first two sentences in the wikipedia summary.
>>146435240>Message has changed to we're betterNot at all. There's batches of smug minorites of every flavor (ug, men; ug, white people; etc) but that doesn't mean the overall idea for anyone who doesn't need an ego trip is that you're special or greater, just equal.
>>146437124Was genosha Mutant Chubdorea?
>>146436442lmao, such a TERRIBLE attempt from schlomo to pivot
>>146437473You're not welcome here, Mehmet.
>>146434251Don't forget the whole>we wuz da first peopleangle they tried with that time displaced city
>>146427021I miss the Aaron era...
>>146425755>At this point any allegory for them doesn't workLet me tell you a secret.The allegory never worked.Trying to substitute people with superpowers for any real life marginalized group was always fundamentally retarded and disanalogous.
>>146436200>most of the writers were too smoothbrained to get it.Most of the writers, editors and higher ups all the way to Disney are probably Zionists themselves
>>146430425?
>>146438184>the media that cry over every dead terrorist leader are ZionistsAstute scholar lmao
>>146438202Lmao even when everyone sucks your dick and falls over themselves to spread your hasbara you still shit on them
>>146438219you sum up Arab mentality well
>>146436770I think in Spidermans case, its because he is functionally a mutant too(Technically a mutate, since his body has mutated but it wasnt from his genetics at birth) and also gets attacked by the big anti-mutant robots whenever they show up.Also he is like best buds with a few of the "better" x-men and used to be a guest teacher for some of the more vulnerable mutants, like the skeleton in a pink blob guy. So while he fights the X-men whenever they step out of line, he is still pro mutant.
>>146436533Magneto is the most righteous character in Marvel, simply because he always wears his anti mind-fuckery helmet. He was the first to notice the X-Mens near monopoly on brainwashing
>>146436877One of the few things i liked about the Harley Quinn cartoon, is her having a heart to heart with Poison Ivy, while her controlled plants are casually drowning CEOs and businessmen in the chemical waste their corporations produce.
>>146437095Stepford Cuckoos only want Omega Chads! Its so over!
>>146425755The best part about the X-men is that Disney/Marvel dont acknowledge the characters as humans. Since they argued in court that their action figures were of mutants and not humans so they could be classified as toys and not dolls, which the state of Texas tariffs at 6.8% rather than the doll tariff of 12%.So the difference between human and nonhuman is exactly 5.2% of tariffs.
>>146427229They're doomers and retards, what do you expect?
>>146439624Yeah really is crazy and he even calls out the insanity of it all didn't Charlie's at one point make him or another villain a vegetable jus because they had different ideologies?
>>146439895Charlie once used time travel to go back in time and used his powers to make a mutants parents never fall in love. Because the mutant was practically above omega tier, and Charlie could never be bothered to teach him.
>>146439624"evil knows evil"
>>146439930As I said, the more we hear and learn about the X-men the more the purifiers and mutant hate makes sense. Even muties don't like muties, like how can you justify killing a kid just because he's stronger than you. Shit didn't he do that exact same thing to his own son, like he erased him from existence or depowered him because Charlie's abandoned him and so he went crazy about revenge on him and the X-men.
>>146438182It's because the allegory wasn't for "marginalized", but for "different". The powerful X-Men were the people with talents, akin to the nerd kid who's made fun for being into books or geek stuff. Don't feel bad for what others tell you, use your gifts for the benefit of everybody. Then, you have the morlocks, representing people with limitations: don't treat them as subhuman. New X-Men don't work because readers don't look up to Cyclops as a similar "talented" hero. They see the exceptional factor of the X-Men as akin to being able to have dicks in their ass.
>>146437095That'd be twitter. That's why it's now X. picrel> nana nana naaa na naaa
>>146440119Cyclops was actually a more reasonable guy in that particular story, because he tried to train the mutant on how to use his powers, which had grown uncontrollable because Charles had been mind controlling the mutant his entire life.The story ends with Charles just making it so the mutant never existed in the first place.
>>146437170>Not at all.Have you seen media these days? Being different is special, and being normal is boring. Someone being asexual is somehow more interesting than being heterosexual only for sake of being different. Being a "minority" or a "victim" makes your voice more worthy of being heard and gives you special protections and benefit.>I am (minority), listen and learnIt hasn't been about equals in a while, and equality would be in fact be detrimental for them
>>146438202>>the media that cry over every deadWut?They are still fellating October 8, while the reporting about Israel infinite war crimes don't get anything more than token reporting, shit Russian war crimes get more news even though the civil dead count is infinitely smaller
>>146440326Jesus, really cyclops should just take over the two heads of the mutants are geriatic sociopathes held back by trauma and neither really fit the "my power is a curse" angle like cyclops does. Though I'm bias as a cyclops fan I just want him to stop getting fucked over by the x men plotAlso honestly what a fucked up move, "sorry I've did you a disservice by taking away your fundamental ability to learn to control your powers over time through slow and harsh training but would make you a great person and mutant. Nah I'll just mind fuck this kid/teen so he thinks he's weaker than he is. Why is this Xavier's go to move, really we need a arc that just accepts the fact Charles is a piece of shit that's the mutant equivalent of a uncle tom who only cares about making mutants pacified and look good to humans.
>>146426479Someone beat you to the punch with that story concept.
>>146440719Anything related to the boys comic doesn't count as the hatred for the medium outwayed the parody and symbolism by a mile. I was thinking for once a story of superhero parody not focused solely on evil superman. Like a parody where they use the classic x men story but reveal it's all mental propaganda or hiding the real truth that the mutants long ago took over society with their powers. But the G-men weren't a good parody at all to me more just another group of le evil heroes for the boys to wreck.
>Kitty Pride goes fucking berserk over a genocide that never even happened but acts completely unapologetic about wantonly killing lots of innocent people herselfHEH
>>146441009>innocentYou people always just have to lie
>>146427396>How can they be viewed as anything other than a hostile nation they are like the north Korea of marvel.More like the Israel of Marvel
>>146441024>OH NO HE SAID A MEAN WORD I'M GONNA TORTURE HIM TO DEATH BECAUSE I'M A GOOD PERSONYour X-gene is showing.
>>146440667He first needs to get rid of any influence Emma left on him, then yes. Also, stop with the panic attacks, that was pathetic.
>>146439624>>146436533I've said it before and I'll say it again. The world would not fear mutants because of Magneto. They'd fear them because of Xavier. Magneto would be given his own island nation in a heartbeat in exchange for the ability to make those helmets for all the world leaders and generals and an agreement to work together on neutralising all psychics, whether they're magic mutant or mutate. All it takes is one crazy psychic getting a tour of the White House and he could make the President launch nukes. Or psychic spies could gather all kinds of state secrets by just hanging out near targets. And then you get down to the common man fears of a psychic making them do sexual stuff against their will, or psychic serial killers etc. The world would be pissing themselves in fear over that shit, not a guy who can levitate metal objects.
>>146433950Wrong again.
>>146441024Surrendering kind of usually instantly makes you innocent as you are saying you no longer want to be part of the fight. An she did get all bad cop on a few people that weren't even responsible for the genocide outside of maybe having a slight connection to the people.>>146441041Ehhhhhhhh that would imply they get US likes them and does constant trade and support. The US and UN always have a very strained relationship with them and they also hate the US so I feel north Korea was more app as it's a unknown island nation where we know very little of what really goes on there. An they have WMDs>>146441309Wait scott has panic attacks? an yeah really what he needs to stop doing is stop dating and interacting with psychics also you'd think they make helmets or anti psionic gear mandatory in the x men verse. As dear god do they have a lot of them and so many of them tend to be leaders of groups strangely enough
>>146441431All Scott's ex-girlfriends literally have the power to live rent free in his head. Poor guy.
>>146430425Go back to Twitter.
>>146441711I've noticed that indeed bro needs to stop fucking with that psycho pussy.
>>146440879You're like a bratty toddler that throws the ice cream he was given to the floor because it doesn't have enough sprinkles and cherries for his liking.
>>146441818You think the psychic coalition will allow that. They have created a monopoly on Cyclops cock.
>>146425755Star Wars, no matter the faction. All has become shit, cringe, lame and gay.
>>146441989You cant convince me Jean or Emma didnt regularly use their powers on Scott anytime he disagreed with them.
>>146441989Poor scott why him? Also why are psychics obsessed with his cock and genes.>>146442062Oh 100% in fact we've seen it in canon more than once at least with emma. She's brainwashed and mind wiped scott multiple times throughout their checkered relationship.Though now I realize poor scott is the battered wife in this situation.
>>146430425GET OUT OF MY HEAD CHARLES!
>>146427021New Mutants, Generation X, New X-Men and Academy X, Wolverine and the X-Men, etc. are all fan favorites. Not to mention Evolution’s enduring popularity. this kind of thing is what the people want, not “ethnostates are good actually”
>>146442062>>146442206 I thought the reason why psychics keep getting attracted to him was because he's especially good at repelling them because of his punch dimension portal brain or mental training? Making him special among all the other men who they can read and manipulate at a moment's notice.
>>146427138I like them better as a disability/mental illness allegory if you’re gonna do that kind of thing.
Spider-man and his wife made a deal with a devil to revive a character they barely used character instead of letting him grow up...
>>146437170nah it’s pretty true when it comes to LGBT. i’m seen as an “assimilationist” because I don’t want to make being transgender my entire identity, I just want to fix my body and move on with my life. fuckin insanity.
>>146442277I mean maybe but being a bit resistant isn't immune. It's like a guy with a tolerance, just takes a bit more effort. Scott has been mentally fucked with tons of times like most of the X-men cast.
>>146440667I mean Scott did also tell a troubled mutant kid with terrifying powers that he should just kill himself but that was a one time thing to my knowledge, Charles is consistent with that mentality
>>146442206my headcanon is that all telepaths have some degree of connection to the phoenix and, because Jean *is* the phoenix, her feelings have an influence on them and this includes her love for Scott
>>146442594Jean forces herself on scott through a orgy of psychics. She'll always get that summer dick>>146442542Wasn't their a message to it though, like his own nihilism but ending with don't give up or something. But who knows the x men have all had just horrific moments for a group about helping young wayward kids.
>>146426963Didn't they start out as an allegory for awkward teens but then more and more shit kept being put on there?
>>146441387He doesn't just levitate metal objects, he can fuck up the whole world's electric systems. But yes, you are not wrong. Because leaders are afraid of what he can do, they're more likely to just give him an island or a full country and leave him and his followers there a la NK.
>>146441431>Wait scott has panic attacks?Yes, in new X´-Men.
>>146442206I've read very little of post 2000 x-men, but I am sure most of their issues are related to Emma's presence there.
>>146442258Don't forget X-Men 97, which is still full 90s X-Men.
>>146427021The only reason this is appealing is because of how waked the powers of the main cast became.
I am the only person in the thread who has read x men
>>146443251Ah probably forgot or didn't even notice.>>146443269I mean jean's pretty toxic too in fact for a while emma was a fan fave love interest to scott.
>>146426272Two wrongs don't make a right.
Talking about it made me realize but being a Cyclops fan has been pretty hard recently. His wife/gf would rather get with a smelly hairy manlet and most of the x men don't respect or listen to him.
>>146442206I honestly cant blame Scott for all his less than sane or ethical episodes. His mind is so compromised that any bad decision he makes is likely the result of half a dozen psychic scars.
>>146443486Yeah I feel even charles has dipped a few psionic fingers into poor scott's brain as well. Also all the mind fuckery without powers, like the clone daughter future sons dead wives. He's probably more ptsd than man
>>146443481Jean should have been killed and stayed dead, with Wolverine fucking off to be a weird murderhobo.
>>146443597Yeah and scott should bang laura, it all comes full circle lol.But really yeah crazy "scotty doesn't know" is basically cyclops theme song. Why is jean so weird about being flirtatious with wolverine when she's with scott. But seems many marvel writers liked their almost cheating love interest who pine for another guy but never go all the way.
>>146426479You're talking about Nature Girl, and that was X-Men Green. EVERYONE hated X-Men Green. It was absolutely insane and ruined Nature Girl as a character. She was the villain of the story and she got away at the end. You're either misremembering it or you massively didn't understand what you were reading if you thought she was the hero of the story and that the X-Men supported her.
>>146442594Scott is desperately trying to hold out against the psychic yandere hive mind.
>>146425755You haven't seen what Bendis did to the Legion of Superheroes.
>>146425755Outside of the comics, this was the best year for X-Men in their history.>Deadpool 3 sets record for highest grossing R rated movie>X-Men 97 is nominated for Emmy>Insomniac leaks reveal AAA X-Men game is in the works (along with Wolverine)
>>146443597Alternatively Wolverine should have ended up with Storm. Those two have solid chemistry.
>>146443701I said they let her get away and actively let a super powered sociopath go scott free. I mean how is that not supporting her even if more enabling, they didn't depower her or mind wipe her they let her leave but wagged their finger at her like be smarter next time. Literally that is enabling a schizoI thought everyone hated it but turns out some do defend it crazy enough.
>>146425755Spider-Man
>>146443166It started as "it's ok that you're a nerd. One day you can become a scientist and take humanity to the moon!" and (npi), devolved into "I am gay, hence, I am better than you".
>>146443912It's the Year of Gambit, to be more specific.
>>146443928Wolverine is my second favorite pairing for her after Forge.
>>146444107Is Forge your favourite pairing because they are both black?
>>146443928He too old to end up with any of the X-girls, who are all supposed to be young with young mentalities. Let him fuck off into the sunset and find some other old soul to bond with. Agatha Harkness or some shit.
>>146444561Forge's black? Could have sworn he was some sort of latino.
>>146426963They don't even try to not be assholes anymore. They all want to flaunt their powers with complete disdain for anyone else and then act shocked when people don't like having their minds read.>>146443166It was a lot of things. Anyone that felt like an outsider. But mostly it was just an excuse to tell super hero stories.
>>146444583He's native american.
>>146436200>Zionists. They are effectively now a Zionism allegory.They've been a Zionism allegory since Claremont.
>>146444655What I meant with some sort of latino. Glad I wasn't completely delusional.
>>146443251Yeah but only in that one chapter, it never happen before iirc. It's weird because he'd been through a much more dire situation than that before too and never shown to have a panic attack.
>>146442594>>146442844>Jean is off having space adventures and probably misses Scott>Scott's current team has two telepathshmm
>>146445318Its not cheating if they share a hivemind.
>>146443283That's also true. I didn't bring it up because it's not a school series.
>>146444561Forge ain't black. Or at least he wasn't when he was with Storm back then.
>>146444976It's understandable that he at some point has to crack, but panic attacks aren't the only way to show or release stress. Marvel liberal writers are this incompetent.
>>146446252Thats a lot whiter than he is usually depicted. He normally looks like a very dark-skinned Native American.
>>146446251Personally, not a fan of the school setting or the main x-men team being teenagers, but I can tolerate it if it's mixed. 2000 x-men focused too much on students nobody cares about and UXM now is gonna do the same. XMTAS is set in a school, the og hq of the x-men. Them taking a couple of kids besides Jubilee (who's now 18) would feel good enough.
>>146446294He's become darker in later issues. He was originally close to look almost white.
>>146445318Jean basically made a harem of telepaths but instead of her fucking them she turns them into a weird lez orgy hivemind so she can always be fucking scott no matter what.>>146445456Even if it is, Jean's obviously into cheating so she can't complain when she's cucked as well. Though I think Scott never officially has ever cheated on Jean.
>>146427844OP means that glob is allowed to just be a dude instead of a walking mouthpiece
>>146426963>They went from American race allegoryman the race allegory was always second to the telenovelawhy does everything forget this
>>146446453Exactly and really he incapsulates what I feel x men should be. Mutation is a burden on them but they still try to be good people even with it all. Also he's just a good guy without the overarching bs of being a god tier and trying to control everyone or hating humans.
>humiesYEAH KILL'EM
>>146446764Are those mutie scums attacking an innocent Friday the 13'th cosplay group? I always knew those abominations were no good!
>>146444680You were completely wrong.
>>146446764See I don't really mind that the X-men may have to kill some of their badguys. It's a fight. Shit's going hard, dudes are dropping, they're not happy about it but they have no choice. That kind of thing. But I swear it's like they want to glorify the violence to an extreme degree and it just makes the X-men look like unhinged psychos who were waiting for any excuse.
>>146447039Nope. Native Americans and some Latinos share pre-columbian ancestry. But Forge ain't Latino.
>>146447057Well, wonder what kind of people are now writing X-Men. It's people who supported BLM riots and root for Antifa. They aren't just ordinary leftists who believe in the power of the working class alone, they are highly violent people who support and make excuses for other violent people. The X-Men are just living their fantasies: this is what they would do if they had real powers. Don't doubt any "trans woman" would fry your brain if you deadname him if he had telepathic powers.
>>146447080>But Forge ain't Latino.So it's wrong.
>>146447176Im sure theres a universe or two where he is from Mexico.
>>146447451He's Cheyenne, which puts him dead center in the united states of NORTH America.
>>146447887And ive seen a story where Steve Roger was a Native American. You throw enough multiverse shit at the wall and eventually some races gets mixed.
>>146443407Isn't it great reading how secondaries substitute their own headcanon and biases when they missed a story arc
>>146443912>AAA X-Men gameFuck, that's news to me, neat. I'm still going to keep working on my Thief Gold mod where you play as Gambit, but the idea of him finally getting the big leagues treatment is awesome. Hope it doesn't devolve to Logan/Storm wank and that the cast isn't big enough that nobody gets a chance to really stand out>>146444098DESU as the world's biggest Remy mark, it's been a fucking feast for me and I'm still confused on what I did to have such great karma this year
>>146447057>I swear it's like they want to glorify the violence to an extreme degree and it just makes the X-men look like unhinged psychos who were waiting for any excuse.To be fair that's pretty much an issue with any "super powered people vs normies" fight it's a fine line between dispensing justice and wholesale slaughter
>>146447117Gotta love when some dude starts making weird logical leaps
>>146426479I ain't up on my Xmen lore. Why the fuck is Pyro there looking sad about a dead turtle? Doesn't he set living creatures on fire for fun?
>>146448158That was the story where Antler Girl went on a murderous rampage and killed store clerks because someone was a litterbug.
>>146448158He wanted to be the one who got to eat the plastic.
>>146435196Best of all is that His son is back and trying to undo the shit he did by using the same tech he made to punish rachael summers which is the sentinel tech.And his son knows that Mutant supremacy and homo superior faggotry leads to Onslaught.
>>146449289Legion is back again? What book?
>>146448158Because it's modern X-men and a excuse to make humans look terrible so we can somehow sympathize with a killer brat
>>146425755No it still works, just not in the way that they intended. It inadvertently highlights how any group that functions with the eternal victim complex will eventually devolve into being the most utter fucked up people due to the fact that they derive a sense of moral superiority from it.
>>146446764The X-Men's members and powers are pretty public, why is it that no anti-mutant group ever kits themselves out to counter them?
>>146447887So, he's a gringo.
>>146448085Big fan myself. I guess the universe is fixing itself. We've been starved of good Remy for years.
>>146443851If I were him, I’d have just surrendered. Embrace the harem option.
>>146449402Way of X. It’s a fun read, albeit a bit all over the place/oddly paced.
>>146440557>civilian death count>implying there is any source of it in Gaza but Hamas>implying we can count the death tool inside destroyed and occupied cities of Ukraine the fact the media hasn't demonstrated the Hamas number is clearly unreliable is proof of media bias in favor of Hamas
>>146448158This is another Pyro, this one had sex with Bobby more than 10 times
>>146448230The fucked up thing is that there are like five or six people who could bring the turtle back to life easily.
I'm starting to believe non-storytime X-threads are actually just Isreali propaganda, it would explain the terrible English
^I thought Arabs hates cartoon?
>>146435966I read the comics and watch the cartoons and saw the X-Men standing strong and being heroes in the face of hate. Dystopian futures with internment camps, sentinels chasing them down in the streets, former friends turned reactionary terrorists... It was all there.It wasn't why we liked them, but it helped make them cool. They were the underdogs.
>>146452399>bring Israel to the thread >get rebutted in a way you cannot argue back>claim the entire thread is Israeli propaganda Sad
>>146425755I liked it better when Glob was fucking gung-ho about being Glob Herman.
>>146449402https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lawrence_Trask_(Earth-616)Sentinels book, that is being storytimed here, Larry knows that Onslaught is back
>>146452683Looks like xmen doesn't work when they are on top. It turns the mutants arrogant and cruel.
