happy international men's day, /co/. let's talk about the original man (who's apparently a shitty dad that hates his own kids but whatever)
>>146430901I have a coupon for buffalo wild wings, is that enough to get on Adam's good side?
>>146430901Untrue, he only hates the disappointments >>146432079Brobably
>>146430901Hopefully everyone finds a Lute of their own.
>>146430901There's not a single good father in the Helluvaverse. It's just a Vivzie thing.
>>146432147One can dream...
>>146432150Millie's dad is kinda ok, arguably father of the year relative to his environment. Every other dad either has Brain Problems (Blitzo, Stolas, Lucifer) or is a sociopath/scumbag (Crimson, Cash, Paimon). Actually Ralphie (Murder Family) might've been a decent dad aside from being a Satanic cannibal, his kids seemed to like him at least and I imagine they're still with him in Hell since Martha's shacking up with Mayberry.
>>146432147we are all gonna make it
>>146432150There’s God technically, I’d argue He counts
>>146432150at some point, we have to track down Viv's father and ask him wtf is her problem with him. It's actually ridiculous how many daddy issues are in these shows>>146432079wings? no, get ribs instead>>146432123>this even includes the second born because fuck you
Friendly reminder that Adam was unironically correct and they should just wipe out demons the second they manifest
>>146432147They cute
>>146432327>the average sinner is a murder, thief, rapist, cannibal, slaver, etc>but Adam is the bad guy for wanting them in Heaven
>>146433555>So why did Adam make a deal to excuse his ex?My headcanon is Adam's deal with Lilith is she gets to have her beach vacay so long as she doesn't interfere with the exterminations and their secrecy was also a part of the deal.
I'd be surprised if they introduce Jesus and don't give him daddy issues.
>>146433555Nice try, but you can't get me to turn on BASED Adam by pretending to give a shit about whatever's going on with Lilith.
>>146430901What style of bbq ribs is his favorite?
>>146432079Maybe, maybe not
You think Adam was stoked when he had a burger for the very first time?
>>146430901He’s actually a great dad
wip
>>146430901Hell yeah
>>146435672Explain why. Headcanon does not count
>>146437011NTA but because I said so,
>>146432327They should just destroy Earth. No Earth means no people, no people means no sinners.Just destroy everything.
>>146432147Characters who own a Lute of their own:>Adam>Charlie>MoxxieAnyone else?
>>146432245>since Martha's shacking up with Mayberry.They're Satanists, therefore most likely are polyamorous
>>146434440>>146435548All this food talk makes me hungry dammit
>>146434440>>146435548Bet you he was over the moon when he arrived in Heaven and realized he could eat as much as he wanted. I imagine he knows a lot of cooking, baking, grilling, and every other kind of preparing food as people got into Heaven, they brought recipes with them that Adam took to with gusto.
>>146439994He certainly was. When Adam was kicked out of Eden he could no longer just take whatever plant and eat it, he had to be careful with things like thorns and he was forced to till a harsh land to farm.
>>146432147She is a deranged murderous psychopath who cannot see or hear reason.
>>146441247But she is hot, Seraaaa…
>>146441247So beautiful
>>146441247So in other words, a typical woman. The only difference is, Lute is actually loyal.
>>146441247>when she wanted to go back for an immediate exterminate Adam got to stop so the demons won't catch on to what they're doing>when Adam was going to pick a fight with Charlie and Vaggie she got him to stop>when Adam was going to blab about the exterminations she got him to quiet downShe's completely capable of listening to reason.
>>146441349>She's completely capable of listening to reason.Maybe she was before Adam was shanked like a prison snitch, but not after.
>>146441369That makes Lute even more appealing. Schizo hallucinations aside, a woman loyal to the extent that she'd genocide all of Hell just to avenge you? Now that's hot.
>>146441369>disabled veteran>mentally broken from the war>a bunch of her sisters in arms and even the only person who ever gave a shit about her are dead and no one cares>judged by her countrymen who don't know how awful the average enemy she fought actually is>got demoted and her rank was handed to the nepo baby>her superior who greenlit the fight is now dismissive of her entire life's missionIt's completely understandable why she's pissed beyond reason.
>>146441443>>146441477Her side had a winning streak that had been going on for millennia and the moment they take their first loss she immediately decides to throw the board off the table. She's not supposed to be admired.
>>146441875I'm not going to side with literal demons, Viv.
>>146437273based so-sayer
>>146441477>Got demotedWhat? Lute is in charge of the exorcists now, she even tells Lilith this.
>>146441875yeah but the sinners deserve it so that makes it okay
>>146441936In the one of the leaked season 2 episodes Lute's promotion was handed over to Abel.
>>146441936>He doesn't knowAnon>>146441477Tbf I never got the vibe the exorcists cared about each other. The others were never really mourned over
>>146441875When are the demons gonna get off their ass and out up a fight though
>>146441936It's less of a demotion and more like being skipped over for a promotion by the dead boss' son. She only assumed she would be in charge because, you know, that would actually make sense. As far as we know Abel has done fuck all for however many millennia while Lute was second in command.
>>146441998God, the venom in Lute's voice in this scene. She's so sexy when she's angry (ie all the time).
>>146441954>>146441988>>146442085Oof, poor Lute.
EYE FOR AN EYE SAYS YOU OWE ME A DEBTBLOOD DEMANDS BLOOD GONNA GET MY HANDS WET
>>146441998>Lilith spearheaded the resistance movement (it was always known but the leaks confirmed it even more)Logically she'd be the last demon to give up and go to heaven, that's quite sus, don't you think
>>146442271I'm interested in knowing what her motivations are. Does she really care about Adam's scumbag progeny? Did she just feel spurned after getting banished to hell and all she wanted was to chill in a less horrible place? I guess just giving that to her would deflate all her desire for any kind of revolution.
>>146442271Why are Lilith's facial features always obscured? It's almost as if they're trying to convey something...Hmmm!
>>146442567She's the medusa?
>>146442565I don't think she ever cared. Just like how Adam is a douche, she's also a cunt. The only difference between them is Lilith managed to fool her family into thinking she cares.
>>146442617More like she's not actually Lilith, but Eve. The real Lilith is Rosie.
>>146442638I'd rather she'd be a complex character than Stella-adjacent
>>146442689You and I both know Viz would definitely make her a bad mom.
>>146433589What did you use to translate this?
Lilith gave birth to a goat.
>>146442815google translate
>>146442737You're right on that... Nobody expected (leak spoilers ahead)Rosie to bad (well, I'd say it's still too early to deduce that she's a total scumbag, she's still probably one of the better overlords of the roster) when Viv's arts of her showed her being wholesome with Alastor
>>146442737booba
>>146442897>The cover is not the book
>>146441949Nah. Killing sinners is just the easiest solution.
>>146443625but it is a solution
>>146443625>sinners>not deserving itIn this case the easiest solution is also the most morally correct. There are no downsides.
>>146443646But it's not the best solution. Maybe the forces of Heaven thought it was the only solution, but then Sir Pentious ascended and proved that sinners can actually be redeemed, which means Sera has allowed countless souls who could have been redeemed to be slaughtered for no good reason, and the Exorcists are no less guilty.But it's not even about that for Lute anymore. She's just another fool who will let revenge destroy her.
>>146443674>There are no downsides.Except the loss of countless souls who could potentially still earn a place in Heaven, and the propagation of a fundamentally broken and flawed system that no one understands, not even the person who should understand.
>>146443751They had their chance in life, honestly. The system is wrong, though, because the ones exterminated are the weakest sinners, possibly the least evil/newly dead ones, while the worst ones, the overlords, keep strengthening their position
>>146439994Adam was the first Hunter\Gatherer, and no doubt he enjoyed the fruits and grains that Cain grew, and of the milk, honey, and meat that Abel took care of.Being able to eat whatever you want, as much as you want, and not gain weight must truly be heaven. Imagine that. Every burger tasting like the first time.
>>146443872You're forgetting the fact that not even the angels know what gets people into Heaven or Hell. The whole system is a glorified lottery, that's why people in Heaven are called WINNERS. Yeah, there are people in Hell who are genuinely evil, but there are also people who are there because the cosmic coin landed on tails. Don't you think it's a little unfair to punish them for that? The Overlords aren't the ones who are in danger from the Exterminations. If it was truly about eliminating evil, the Overlords would be the first targets on the Exorcists' kill list. Adam literally admitted in the first episode that the real reason for the Exterminations is entertainment. Because he and his Exorcists are bloodthirsty bullies who go after the easy targets.
>>146443725>slaughtered for no good reasonHell is a very credible threat and redemption, until the events of the show, was a crackpot theory by a bleeding heart hippie. You have the benefit of hindsight in saying it was for no reason, when the reality is given what everyone believed to be the reality at the time, the ONLY way to diminish hell's power at the time was extermination. That's good reason enough. Even now that an alternative has been discovered, it hasn't invalidated exterminations since redemption can only be voluntary. There's no way heaven should trust a pit full of psychopaths to collectively and voluntarily change their ways in a big enough way to reduce the threat of hell to acceptable levels. The risks of not exterminating outweigh the risks of exterminating, with no actual plus sides for heaven. Hell only needs to break the dam once to fuck things in heaven up for eternity.
>>146444229>explaining the lore to a Hazbin Hotel fanGood luck
>soon, Souls will begin falling into Hell by the millions. Each one burnt, hungry, thirsty, and radioactive.Soon.Soon.
>>146444229No one in-universe knows how who goes where because the characters are stupid. The audience watching this shit is smarter and any honest analysis of the types of people you see in each place and the types of things that go on will tell you it's not just some coin flip. Lilith's own little bedtime story to Charlie, a retelling that is likely to be the most favorable to her and her cause, acknowledges that hell's power indeed grows as more sinners pour in. Charlie never challenges that premise or what would happen if hell does grow so powerful. Her thesis is still about reducing hell's power, but through alternative means. The fact that she even believes there's something about the people in hell that warrants some kind of redemption shows what she believes about them as they are, even if she believes they can be something different. The potential to be different is not something heaven can bet on.
>>146444302>Hell is a very credible threatDude, laying siege to the Pearly Gates is the last thing on the average sinner's mind. Most of them are too busy struggling to survive in the Darwinian hellscape, and the Overlords have no desire to spoil the good thing they've got going. And they can't even go to Heaven, so the only angels who are really in danger are the ones going down to Hell to kill demons. If it was just about culling the population, the forces of Heaven could easily do so in a more efficient way. Open a portal and rain down holy hand grenades or something. But you still don't seem to understand that it's not really about population control or exterminating evil. What will it take for you to see that Adam and the Exorcists aren't the good guys? Are you deliberately ignoring any evidence to the contrary? Are you seriously that kind of person?
>>146444229If the comics are still canon, there are such harmless sinners, it's hard to believe anything but personal beliefs of what one deserves is what gets you up or down. The environment, ironically enforced by the exterminations, does the rest.
>>146442897White woman enslaving a black dude lol
>>146444482>Dude, laying siege to the Pearly Gates is the last thing on the average sinner's mindLilith had exactly that in mind, though. What we don't know is if her attempt at rebellion was what caused the exterminations or was a reaction to them
>>146444455>No one in-universe knows how who goes where because the characters are stupid.The people who should know the most, the Elders of Heaven, refuse to find out because they're scared that they'll fall like Lucifer if they start questioning the system. As this very thread demonstrates, as many threads on 4chan demonstrate, for some people the notion that they might be wrong is just too painful to tolerate, and they'll go to extreme lengths to smother that pain.
>>146437297That's what Armageddon will be, but I'm not versed in the bible so I'm not sure.>>146432147Preach.
>>146444482The common sinner is just rowdy rabble, but they can be rallied as evidenced by Lilith. And there are overlords right now plotting against heaven, despite supposedly not being in any danger themselves. The means of extermination don't really make a difference to the purpose. Certainly they could just lob grenades down there, but Adam wanted to fly down and handle it personally. His method being more enjoyable to him doesn't indicate it's less necessary.
>>146444589Why doesnt Adam simply plow Lute and fertilize some fields with her.
>>146444566>for some people the notion that they might be wrong is just too painful to tolerateThat goes both ways. The show spoonfeeds you a certain morality, but that doesn't mean it's correct.
>>146444610He's a goner.And as to why didn't he do so in the past is uncertain, some argue that it was out of fear of fucking up one of his few positive relationships with a woman, his favorite deputy by the looks of it.
>>146444594>Certainly they could just lob grenades down there, but Adam wanted to fly down and handle it personally. His method being more enjoyable to him doesn't indicate it's less necessary.HE LITERALLY FUCKING ADMITS THAT HE JUST THINKS KILLING DEMONS IS FUN. HE ADMITS IN THE FIRST FUCKING EPISODE THAT THE REAL PURPOSE OF THE EXTERMINATIONS IS ENTERTAINMENT. WHAT THE FUCK MORE DO YOU NEED? FIFTY FOOT TALL BURNING LETTERS?
>>146444665If only God had given Lute to Adam, instead of Lilith or creating Eve.
>>146444503(((White))) woman.
>>146444681Adam-Lute Garden of Eden AU when?
>>146444691Poor little buck.heh, buck.....
>>146444703Better idea.Lute finds Adam in Season 3 as a Demon, a shell of his former self, disfigured and damned.Her emotions come out and she breaks, and in an act of maturity, he comforts her.
>>146441247You miss the important bit. She is a deranged murderous psychopath... to her man's enemies.
>>146444743Partners in crime, arguably the most dynamic duo of the show.
>>146444671>THE REAL PURPOSEThe mistake you're making is thinking that something he thinks is fun thus couldn't be necessary. I know the words of the song, it's one of my favorites. Never once does he or anyone else say exterminations are ONLY for entertainment. Anyone in heaven who knows about this stuff and talks about it treats hell as a threat. That doesn't sound like entertainment is the sole reasoning. You've fixated on what you've been told directly and assume that to be the entire truth, when the characters actions themselves reveal multiple layers to this situation.
>>146444484>A decent person, or even a good person can end up in Hell>With the sheer amount of people that die each day, there’s a decent number of them>Once you show up you’re pretty much on your own, could get snatched up by the cannibals and used as respawning food until your soul withers away completely, become a slave to an overlord or sell your soul to them for protection, or worse>This constant oppressive atmosphere and dire situations eat away at whatever good is left in you, until there’s nothing separating you from the people who deserved to be down there in the first place>There is no hope, there is no escape>So why not be a bastard like everyone else?
Lute is a meek and gentle purring kitten in Adam's firm hands
How do I watch the show without prime.
>>146444794>Her head stays in place.>you recreate this video for Demon TikTok(DikDok(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBpF_Zj4OA&
>>146444810>download a car>drive to someone's house who has prime>profit
>>146444857
>>146444810There's an archive on the trash.
>>146444703>when?In a better world.
>>146445283>picMan...
Why did they give Adam a devoted gf? doesn't that defeat the point of dunking on the chud pig?
>>146443872>>146444229Yeah I rarely see anyone talking about how Adam was - even if you treat him as sympathetically as possible - objectively wrong with how he handled the exterminations. I'm sure that Sera figured the idea was to dismantle Hell's power structure and prevent them from being able to threaten Heaven, but Adam obviously was just treating it as a silly game. Lute's obviously got a more strategic mind, but she was too in love with Adam + sadistic to really give a fuck about refining their methodology. I have to imagine she's going to do far more serious damage in S2 after his death.
>>146445703>I have to imagine she's going to do far more serious damage in S2 after his death.Lute is really not that strategic. She wants to launch a full scale attack as soon as they find the dead exorcist; it's Adam who wants to play their cards close to their chest and wait to attack. She's too far gone to be strategic now anyhow, she's consumed by grief and anger. Lute wants revenge and everything else is secondary.
>>146444671And the bigger Seraphim gave Adam the OK too go to Hell and exterminate because she believes its the best option to keep Hell from threatening Heaven.
>>146445608It’s the way of Chad. Despite all criticism, he emerges an indisputed winner
>>146430901Now post the anime version. You the the one.
>>146446482Who, RoR Adam?
Hmm. Charlie would've been Adam's daughter if Lilith had stayed.
>>146446522Y e s
>>146446570Probably would have ended up just one of Abel, Cain or Seth's wives. A footnote.
>>146446588I wonder if she would have been given a Biblical Name instead of something as modern as Charlie.
>>146446619100%, is there a biblical name similar to Charlotte?
>>146446633Chaya, Cherut, Sharon, Shoshana, Shifra,Charlotte means "Strong Woman\Free Spirit" or something to that extent, so maybe a name like that?
>>146446619Charlie is named that because it's a holdover from the Pilot. An Amazon normie would be lost as to why Lucifer Morningstar named his kid that. But when you realize the original last name was Magne, it makes sense as a pun (Charlie Magne = Charlemagne). >>146446697What is the meaning behind those names? Anything that would make sense with Charlie's character?
>>146446784I wish her last name was still Magne, or at least that her middle name was Magne. Would've kept a little bit more of a hold over from the pilot.I have no idea what the meaning is behind those names. I merely looked up Biblical Names that started with "C".
>>146446857I'm glad it changed. The pun was kind of irrelevant to the character and Morningstar carries the gravitas of being the literal devil's daughter. I chalked it up to Viv's Girl Autism being reined in. I don't mind her being named Charlotte because she was born relatively recently. I mean, it was hundreds of years ago, but that's "modern" enough to have a name like hers. Any daughter born to Adam would be born in a different time and place entirely.
>>146430901I want to see Adam sing the song "Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga."
>>146447865I think he's allowed, as the great^N granddaddy of all niggas.
>>146447865You mean this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0itOCgJtNVU
>>146447865>Sera gave him the pass
>>146448073Sera ain't no brotha, she's a spirit.
>>146448073>niggangelsWhy are the angels black anyway?
>>146448169They're birds.
>>146448565What does that have to do with anything?
>>146448569Everything.
>>146448665So why are they black though
>>146448668They're birds.
>>146448677How does that make them black
>>146448724Because they're birds, how hard is it to understand?
>>146448751Are you implying birds are black by default, I don't get it
>>146448764I mean, have you seen Crows?
>>146448764Either you're talking to a bot, or someone with crippling autism. Not that there's much difference.Anyways, they're black because Viv wanted them to be for some reason. Probably brownie points no pun intended
>>146448793>doesn't recognize birds when he sees them>calls others autisticlol
>>146448793>brownie pointsLol
>>146448810Sera having birdlike facial features in her 'true form' has no correlation to her being black.
>>146448169making anhels white is a racist stereotype we need to subvert, chud. And don’t you know all black womyn are kind and gentle and wellmeaning and intelligent and angelic by default?
If Sera is Black does that mean she had the NWord Pass that she gives out to people in Heaven?Does this mean when she finally sings it'll be R&B?
>>146448867She has a song in the leak. I don't know what genre it is, but it's definitely not R&B.
>>146448867>"Here you go, anon. The pass...">she shakes your hand>it tingles...>you look down at your hand, which is getting darker and darker, and more blacker>"And everything that comes with it."
>>146448880Thank God.R&B and Rap is demonic.
anyway, adam
>>146448890>Looks in pants.>Then looks up at her with a great big smile.
Viv’s whole courtroom scene is cringe as fuck. Mostly it’s that part when Charlie goes “are you really telling me you don’t go to nightclubs and drink at the end of a day?” like that’s somehow a universal human experience and not exclusive to postmodern vapid floozies. They act like heaven-hell sorting is completely random for some reason but that’s because they don’t introduce any actually pious or sensible characters in heaven or hell. Where are all the people who don’t drink and don’t sleep around and don’t go clubbing at the end of the day? Who just knit or read or watch tv? They’re nowhere. It’s because Viv can’t comprehend that most people are like that and being a “quirky” substance abuser is not the default
>>146448924people who go to nightclubs and drink are sent to hellpeople who go to pubs and drink are sent to heaven
>>146448906Do you think he plays vidya with Lute?
>>146448985Lute probably doesn't understand video games, but she watches Adam play with rapt attention.
>>146449022>Lute probably doesn't understand video gamesAdam's definitely roped her into Mortal Kombat enough for her to be relatively good at it.
Say someone is in a state between dying and living, and is steadily being pulled into Heaven. Would the angel pulling them, say Emily, take offense if the soul pulled away to stay in their body and seek to live?
>>146449096>Would the angel pulling them, say Emily, take offense if the soul pulled away to stay in their body and seek to live?My instincts say no. If there's a chance you can continue to live, they'd probably rather you take it and use the extra time to pursue a virtuous life while convincing others to do the same.
>>146449116Hmm. Good point. There goes my fanfic idea.
>>146449049>lute doing fatalities during a purge
>>146450205We need a version of this with Lute, it says SEXY COMMANDER, there's a schizo Adam behind her in the back seat, and she's running over Abel.
>>146445854AND THEN SHE'S CONFRONTED WITH HARD EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION ALL ALONG. THAT SHE SIGNED THE DEATH WARRANT FOR COUNTLESS SOULS WHO COULD HAVE REDEEMED THEMSELVES BECAUSE SHE WAS TOO FUCKING SCARED TO QUESTION THE BROKEN SYSTEM.ADAM WAS JUST A SELF-CENTERED MANCHILD WHO WANTED ACCEPTABLE TARGETS TO KILL FOR FUN, AND ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN THIS THREAD ABOUT DEMONS BEING IRREDEEMABLE ARE THE SAME FUCKING ARGUMENTS ADAM USED TO "JUSTIFY" DOING THE HORRIBLE THINGS HE WANTED TO DO. IT'S NOT A FUCKING COINCIDENCE THAT HIS OUTFIT MAKES HIM LOOK MORE LIKE A DEMON THAN AN ANGEL.AND THEN THERE'S FUCKING LUTE, WHO BY NOW DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT BURNING HELL TO THE GROUND AND DESTROYING EVERYTHING CHARLIE AND HER FRIENDS ARE WORKING FOR OUT OF SHEER PETTY SPITE.THERE ARE SHITTY PEOPLE IN HEAVEN AND DECENT PEOPLE IN HELL. THERE ARE ALSO DECENT PEOPLE IN HEAVEN AND SHITTY PEOPLE IN HELL. THAT'S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE SHOW.AM I SERIOUSLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS FUCKING THREAD WHO HAS ACTUALLY WATCHED THE FUCKING SHOW?BUNCHA FUCKING POSERS IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE!
>>146430901I'd hate my kids too if one was a pussy and the other a murderer.
>>146451622GEE WHIZ I WONDER WHOSE FAULT THAT COULD BE.MAYBE THE ASSHOLE WHO RAISED THEM?
