Why aren't we seeing a revival of traditional fantasy-genre cartoons? DnD is more popular than ever and there's a lot of success in video games and anime within the genre right now. The iron seems hot.
>>146445078Yeah, we sure need another brown dyke show. Don't get me wrong, I hate isekai too.
The talent doesn’t have the money and the money doesn’t want to pay the talent.
>>146445078Because modern Western fantasy is mostly self irritating subversions. Like it's stuff that's based on DND agacent material rather than actual fantasy primary sources.
Because writing is half the battle and as >>146445370 and >>146445264 point out there's nothing genuine about today's crop of shit writers who just want to make everything predictably subversive.
>>146445264I think with things like Baldurs Gate anf Wrath of the Righteous entering public consciousness. We'll see a rise in cool fantasy concepts. An example in Bg3 is aliens fighting demons
>>146445413When I heard and watched it first hand that they wanted to turn Sauron into an anti-hero in rings of power show I just gave up hope for anything relating the fantasy genre at this point.
>>146445413This is a simple matter of finding the right writers, so where are they?
>>146445571Ok, where are you gonna find them?
>>146445078>DnD is more popular than ever???thats the warhammer fantasy roleplay 4ed and the fallout/cyberpunk ttrpg games>t. protonerd
>>146445571 "Where are the good writers">>146445596 "Where you gonna find them?"AI tier exchange
>>146445628I would REALLY want to see numbers to back up the claim that WFRP and Cyberpunk are more popular than DnD.
>>146445571Hopefully growing up right now and not raised in a generation that thinks "man this is such an ingenious twist" is a example of good writing.
We need more goblin comics.
>>146445690Interspecies Reviewers but its about a Goblin female Reviewing different species and their hybrid offspring
>>146445078Fantasy is still a decently niche genre and its not like we have nothing >>146445628>completely ignores BG3 but also consider that the cartoon industry is sorta in shambles and most people get their fix on high fantasy from games
>>146445738Fantasy's niche?
>>146445731>has like 20 kids by the end of the series
>>146445690Why are goblins such huge sluts for human men?
>>146445772I think they're just huge sluts in general.
>>146445752not so much as niche, but niche compared to how expensive it usually is and how lurkwarm the successes are for things that aren't exceptionally big
>>146445441Bg3 was about aliens fighting demons? Can you elaborate?T. Dark elf evil paladin playthrough
>>146445441>>146445820think he's referring to the Gith who have been in DND since 1e but have been put into the limelight because of BG3Aliens sometimes show up in fantasy, i mean there's the Draenei even warhammer 40k which doesn't actually have that much hard sci-fi bullshit until you get into the tau and tyrranids
>>146445820I didn't mean that BG3 is specifically about Aliens fighting Demons. I meant in the intro where Illithids are fighting the Cambions. I thought that concept was really cool
Technically mindflares are more Eldritch than alien but still.
>>146445756Just your average goblin mom.
>>146445078she will carry my human babies in her goblin womb
>>146446172Hope you like paying a LOT of child support
>>146446239why would I pay child support if we're married?
I should read some Conan.
>>146446253>getting married and not running outHow nice of you.
>>146446285I should play some Conan. Been long enough.
>>146445660wfrp is doing numbers in poland thoe
>>146445370I'm writing orcs but orcs will be more privy to Chicano culture. Because the idea of a low rider with tinted windows riding up on you and hitting you with hydraulics as the windows roll down only to reveal Hector, and his orc friends mad dogging you only for the orc to open his mouth with his gruff orc voice and be like "whassup foo? the fuck you doin' in our hood homie?" Is fucking hilarious to me.
>>146446444So Bright?You're just remaking the movie Bright?
>>146445078Because nobody wants orcs that talk like liberal tik-tokkers.
>>146446608Not really bright, although some elements maybe because that universe was really cool but it didn't really have too much exploration. If you want to get more specific I've always liked shadowrun and it's use of fantasy races. Where it's modern lightly bordering sci fi but there are stuff like orcs, goblins, elves, dwarfs ect. Because it's fun and cool to explore that element of races in society.
>>146446444Trips for chORKZThe idea is so dumb yet funny
Speaking of, the Elf Only Inn guy started a modern fantasy office romance webcomic, pic relatedrosegrey.thecomicseries.comI don't think it's got much readership so far, but it's a nice comic
>>146446723Looks dumb as shit, so I'll pass. Thanks.
>>146446743that's anon tsunedere speak for "I want more", I can tell
You got zombies in my modern fantasy... I guess zombies are fantasy, really?
"guess he's one of the good ones"
>>146445370Where do people get this retarded idea from?The biggest /co/ fantasy property around involves killing fucktons of evil orcs, has no good demons, and prominently features an unambiguously good holy woman among its main cast. Its bad guys are pretty much completely, unrepentantly evil, and they are stopped by murdering the shit out of them.
oh look, she remembers him
>>146446827Oh yeah that one... sure. The one. I have no idea what you're talking about
>>146445078>Why aren't we seeing a revival of traditional fantasy-genre cartoons?Nobody wants to write straightforward fantasy, just self-referential rick and morty-esque tripe with a fantasy paint.
>>146445565They wanted to turn Sauron into a villain protagonist. As in, a bad guy that you follow in the narrative and whose evil is understandable. This is entirely a Tolkiensian thing to do, as Sauron was always understandable in his evil. "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" is very much the arc Tolkien made for him. In fact, it's an important feature of the very world itself that Sauron is not as evil or as powerful as Morgoth, and that the struggle against him is not as vital or tremendous. Tolkien saw the present as a frailer echo of the past, and Sauron is this for Morgoth: where Morgoth fell from grace with a tremendous crash, Sauron sort of stumbled faintly downward after a series of mistakes.There's a lot in RoP that is pretty genuinely Tolkiensian in basic form, but when it comes down to it, the writing and visual design is just not up to scratch. Using Tolkien's base ideas is meaningless if you simply cannot write a scene to save your own life.
WARNING. WARNING.THIS IS A STEALTH GOBLIN THREAD.ALERT.STEALTH. GOBLIN. THREAD.
Aand that's the setup, I'll leave you all to discuss how shit everything is nowadays, they sure don't make 'em like when I was 13, funny how everything was awesome then and nothing has been as good since, eh?
>>146446850It's VM, At least, that's the biggest fantasy cartoon with any of the things we're talking about. The actual biggest is Arcane, which doesn't really qualify because it doesn't have any of those elements.I guess Noxians are sort of orcs, and they're pretty unambiguously evil so far.
>>146446901>"Target spotted. Commencing semen acquisition."
>>146445078>DnD is more popular than everThis is why you should be glad we're not getting anything. It would be absolute MCU humor disingenuous crap.
>>146446295National Treasure is a shit film though
>>146445078>Traditional fantasy-genreIn an age where you get fingerwagged for saving a damsel in distress and need to have wheelchair-accessible D&D dungeons, that you're gonna get traditional hero quest action cartoon? Start loving anime, anon... sorry...
>>146447087>Start loving anime, anon... sorry...Anime fantasy has been a joke for a long time too when it comes to "traditional" fantasy. It's all been cheap shit isekai crap or video game esque crap that's always trying to be OH SO SELF AWARE LOL! I swear it feels like it's been ages since we saw some honest fantasy.
>>146445078Because it's fucking expensive & they keep being these propaganda soapbox shows animated by koreans.
>>146447143Isekais are good up until they get whatever cheat bullshit then they all go down the same tropes and story beats. Every one is more interesting when the characters actually have to struggle and figure shit out instead of pressing the I win button over and over again.
>>146446850>That comicIs there more?
>>146446723HAHAHA Get of load of this spawnbrother! LMAO filing down his tusks hahahaha. Squealers got em docile! LOL!!!
>>146447143>I swear it feels like it's been ages since we saw some honest fantasyFrieren and Dungeon Meshi were like a few months ago man.
>>146446912cute, thanks for sharing anon
>>146447143Which one is that
>>146446827>Where do people get this retarded idea from?Lots of places. Some want to get rid of the "problematic" overtones of someone group being inherently evil, others do it out contrarianism or because they find subversion funny. While not technically demons, tieflings in DnD are a poster child of that "demonic creature in modern fantasy" panel, on a meta level they are kinda stereotyped as darlings of theatre kid pronoun squad who want to play as unfairly persecuted chaotic/neutral good LGBTQQIIA2S+ anti-heroes. Karlach from BG3 is a decent example of a wholesome quirk chungus tiefling.WotC itself has been also steadily trying to make orcs nicer. Traditionally they were an "enemy" race, with the role of "playable" orcs being filled by half-orcs, but for example a 2024 player handbook has no half-breeds and instead regular orcs got fully promoted from being barbarian rapist-plunderers(yikes, that ain't it y'all) to being a fully playable race that doesn't inherently lean evil anymore.Also "church bad" is a widespread theme in isekaislop, not surprising because the authors of these shitty web novels which get anime adaptations all copy from each other. Demons/monsters having a nicer side or sometimes outright being morally superior to humans is likewise fairly common. This shit is so widespread Frieren got tons of praise simply because it subverted the subversion by showing that demons are, in fact, evil.
>>146447734Record of Lodoss War.Also got a decent game featuring picrel fairly recently
>>146447923>While not technically demons, tieflings in DnD are a poster child of that "demonic creature in modern fantasy" panelTieflings have been a good guy player character option since the 80s anon. I'm not sure there's ever been famous tiefling character that wasn't a good guy.>Also "church bad" is a widespread theme in isekaislop99% of isekai has a bunch of good guy priest girls that fall in love with the MC, the idea that they're all evil is silly. I think there's like three mainstream isekai where the generic fantasy church is evil, and they're isekai that set out specifically to be edgy.>Demons/monsters having a nicer side or sometimes outright being morally superior to humans is likewise fairly commonIt really isn't. Demons being treated as not literally made of evil is a thing in anime, sure, but that's because they don't really mean the same thing when they say 'demon'. They're often not even saying 'akuma' or 'yokai', they're saying 'majin' or 'mazoku', which... doesn't really translate into what we think of when we think demon. I can't even name ten shows where demons are often good guys in western media. Hell, I can't think of five.
>>146447369>Frieren and Dungeon Meshi were like a few months ago man.I know. and the fact that you think that's some kind of achievement is exactly my point,
>>146448094Both are honest fantasy. And as someone who likes Lodoss Senki quite a lot, DM is the better story by a fair bit.
>>146448076>Tieflings have been a good guy player character option since the 80s anon. I'm not sure there's ever been famous tiefling character that wasn't a good guy.Tieflings were added in 3rd edition as a monster and weren't playable till the 2000s you tard.
>>146448112The hell they are. Frieren is basically just shonen shit complete with exam and tournament arcs and DM is just shit Wizardry with LOL FOOD jokes. >better story by a fair bit.No.
>>146448115>Tieflings were added in 3rd edition as a monster and weren't playable till the 2000s you tard.Tieflings were playable as of '94, where Planescape introduced them. I'd forgotten it wasn't in '89, but either way, that'd be 2nd edition.>>146448143>Frieren is basically just shonenYeah, there's little point reading past this. I didn't think Frieren was as amazing as it was hyped to be, but it certainly isn't shonen. Not that this would matter - a lot of shonen are, in fact, also fantasy.
>>146446901>stealth
>>146448115>Tieflings were added in 3rd edition2nd.>and weren't playable till the 2000sWhy are you saying this as though that would be later than 3rd? 3rd came out on in the year 2000. Do you think 3rd began in the 90s and 4th in the 2000s or something?
i just wondering where are the good fantasy comics? it seems like it would be a sure thing...
>>146448301It's hard to tell the same stories over and over. Most of the more interesting newer fantasy tales, Earthsea and such, feel like they wouldn't be action heavy enough for a large amount of comic readers, and many of those that would like them would rather just read them as books.
>>146448214>I didn't think Frieren was as amazing as it was hyped to be, but it certainly isn't shonen.They literally spent a third of the anime on a license exam where they introduced a bunch of worthless characters all at once to take part in an exam tournament arc. It absolutely is shounen. And yes I've read ahead in the manga. El Dorado is even more shounen shit show. They lured people in with thinking it's gonna be about Elf realizing the ephemeral nature of mortality but nope. Just PEW PEW!! All the way through.
>>146445571You mean straight white males? They've been run out of the industry by jews and women.
>>146448323>They literally spent a third of the anime on a license examIt didn't play out like a shonen though. The vast majority of that section was not about intricate battles, but character interactions. Shonen does not mean "there is a tournament at some point."
>>146446885ok this one made me lol
I feel like a decent chunk of modern D&D fans are in it for the "characters doing stupid shit" angle over the traditional fantasy aspects of the game.
>>146448571I had the misfortune of getting a haircut at some redditor's version of a barbershop because it was the one closest to were I was living. The staff looked as you would imagine, bearded women with blue hair, that sorta deal. The woman cutting my hair was talking to another staffer about some D&D game they were apart of, and paraphrasing a little, it went like>The goblin king got on a big rock and threw off his cloak, and he had a luchador mask underneath and he did an elbow drop on the dragon!
>>146445078nobody cares about your DnD campaign
>>146446827Which /co/ property are you talking about?
>>146448322but as the rest of the thread is derailing to there's been a bunch of fantasy manga, mostly as a response to the isekai boom. plus they have the manga problem of quantity over quality. but still i feel like there should be more in the creator-own scene.
>>146448045>Those ears>Those shouldersGod damn. Like looking at a white Night Elf.
>>146446958Sorry I’m retarded, what the fuck is VM? I don’t recognize that acronym and looking up "VM cartoon" only brings up some shitty Indian YouTube slop channel.
>>146448992Vox Machina.
>>146445690Why would she wear all that, pack her bag so haphazardly with sexual paraphernalia, then be embarrassed when asked the question?She should either be seen hiding something to indicate her intrinsic list of BHC while giving the embarrassed response, or she should look smugly or teasingly at the asker and either let her paraphernalia do the talking or say something like "guess".
Want some?
>>146448143>exam and tournamentThere is a SINGLE one in the entire manga, it isn't even that long, why do so many people make a fuss about it? Right after it it goes back to it's pace.
>>146448143>Anime only
>>146445078Who would write it?
>>146449028There's a difference between being enthusiastic about a thing and being confronted about it. If she were being offered it, the bog-standard flush-and-stutter routine would be happening.
>>146445772Because they exclusively have human sons and goblin daughters
>>146448143>>146448214>>146448323>>146448357Fucking hell, both you two are being stupid (the first guy more so desu but still). Frieren IS shonen but not because it has a tournament arc (you fucking retard), but because it’s been published in Weekly Shōnen Sunday since 2020 and is therefore aimed at it’s aimed at 9 to 18 yr old males because shōnen is not a genre, it’s a DEMOGRAPHIC
>>146449459This Frieren is too sexy to me.
>>146447369Wow dude, just gonna drop those turds like that?
>>146445965Depends how deep you go into the lore. I think they've been alien since at least AD&D 1e, maybe OD&D.
>>146448289>4th in the 2000sTechnically true
>>146445078Here's a traditional fantasy genre cartoon you can have.
>>146448045its a Castlevania styled side scroller, don't bother. Gets boring after 20 mins
>>146445078Because every attempt just becomes a snarky sarcastic show that doesn't take itself seriously.
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>>146450240>Because every attempt just becomes a snarky sarcastic showthats a good thing> that doesn't take itself seriously.also a good thing
>>146450325Damn man, you're retarded.
>>146448571>over the traditional fantasy aspects of the game.the entire RPG space as a whole has evolved past being a simple dungeon crawlDnD only even retains those aspects out of sheer inertia, it would seem like heresy to get rid of them even though only a fraction of players care about keeping track of every ounce of weight from each coin you carrybut except for hardcore /OSR/ neckbeards who are convinced ADnD was the height of tabletop gaming, most RPGs have embraced the LARP aspects over the dungeon crawl
>>146447369frieren is one of the dullest things I've had the displeasure of watching, just a muddled mess of cliches and emotionless dialogue
>>146450345sarcastic people are more entertainingtaking your own setting too seriously is a far worse crime than not taking it seriously at all, which is hardly a crime but a virtue
>>146450385Why?
Wanted to post those on the woya threads. might be as well here since you fags are in to goblins too.
>>146450555
>>146445370>>146445413>playing fantasy games or watching fantasy media>everyone has dyed hair, tattoos that don't exist for cultural reasons, and side cuts
>>146450589>fantasy "medieval" setting>people have early renaissance-era plate armor>but they also wear dark ages peasant clothing rather than sabatons or bycokcet hats>people speak in elizabethan or shakesperean english and use latin characters for spelling>no one has arquebuses or handgonnes>everything is brown, no one has widespread red or yellow dyescomplaining about tattoos and modern haircuts sounds seriously myopic, especially since there would be no physical barrier to having a sidecut in a pre-undustrial society, especially one that has magic
>>146445191>Brown DykeBut would you go for Brown Bisexual with confirmed OT3? Just a hypothetical.
>>146445078What is this? It's move is nicely.
>>146450630I don't think it's unfeasible, I simply dislike the aesthetic.
>>146450630There's a difference in compositing medieval and Renaissance era cultures. A good chunk of stories that often form the ground work of that kind of fantasy is Renaissance era stories set in the medieval era causing a bleeding together of time-frames.
>>146450157I hope it is nice, I would be happy even if the dialogue sounds "tolkien"
>>146450325>> that doesn't take itself seriously.>also a good thingNo. Fuck you. There's a difference between not being grim dark and not taking yourself seriously. You should always take yourself serious because that means you care about what you're making. You can joke, you can be lighter in tone. But fucking care. So fuck you, you new fag piece of disingenuous crap.
>>146450949>No. Fuck you.yes>There's a difference between not being grim dark and not taking yourself seriously.when people say dont take yourself seriously, they mean dont act like steven seagalwho cannot stand anyone making jokes about him because he perceives it as a hit against his personal pride to the point that he thought SNL was heckling him for even jokingly saying that arnold schwarchanegger is better than himshows are better when they dont act like thatable to take things in stride without having to beg to be taken as more important than it actually is>But fucking care. caring is goodbut taking yourself seriously is bad>So fuck you, you new fag piece of disingenuous crap.god forbid people realize entertainment is meant to be entertaining
>>146450240Yeah it's this.
>>146445078>steal from company>asks why company isn't spending money
>>146450986We are cartoonish villains
>>146450949Personally for me it's snarky characters who get traumatized by grimdark situations they can't joke their way through
>>146450671>>146450903Careful anons if /tg/ gets wind of this people will start melting down that they can't instantly kill everying with a single gunshot.
>>146450903That's a bit like saying there is nothing wrong with kevlar vests and night vision goggles in a story set during the French and Indian War.
>>146445078Megacorps aren't giving green lights to anything that isn't already proven, and even then they're reluctant. Hell, Peacock bought the rights to make a cartoon out of The Adventure Zone and have just been sitting on them for years now.
>>146445413>Complains about "modern writers of fantasy.">Posts sexy goblinYour outrage is selective, I see.
