Genuine question. Why did the house of mouse even bother? All they did was make like two movies and then let the little guys rot for a decade.Every other one they did makes sense.>Pixar was a pioneer in 3d animation. Something that would become the norm for the animated movie scene. And not only that but they already had multiple verified successes at the time of the purchase in the form of Toy Story, The Incredibles, and Finding Nemo>Star Wars is fucking Star Wars>Marvel had Spider-Man along with a whole multiverse of recognizable heroes including the Avengers which would become a major player in the big D's repertoire. >buying Fox put back together the broken up Marvel ip rights and game them big names like the Simpsons and James Cameron's Avatar>Investing in Fortnite is a sound decision as it is a proven success and seems that it's here to stayWhat genuinely did the Muppets bring to Disney at all?
>>146469222They had plans the Iger lost his mind chasing imaginary rivals. Which ironically those are now the actual rivals.
>>146469222>Why did the house of mouse even bother?Because Disney wants to own everything. They fundamentally misunderstand the muppets and think they're for children. They also unironically bought the brand because they thought it would give them access to sesame street and were pissed when it didn't. They want to own sesame street so badly.
>>146469314>they thought it would give them access to sesame street and were pissed when it didn't.Ha, fuck them.
>>146469222This is the best thing to happen to Muppets in years They are taking puppetry seriously as an adult medium with having it theme an intense coaster targeted to adults. This is exactly what Jim intended
>>146469388>with having it theme an intense coaster targeted to adultsAt the cost of a whole section of a theme park. That the mouse already wasted money on.
the vast majority of people do not care about the muppets. that's probably why.
>>146469449this, probably people only know kermit because of the memes
>>146469222It wasn't about the IPs they wanted Jim Henson studios, with it and Lucasfilm they have a monopoly on special events. It's why today's live action movies that are CG heavy look like shit to compared to movies from the 00's or even 90's.
>>146469449Disney did absolutely nothing with the muppets during their ownership, whereas Jim, Frank n Co kept them relevant in the public eye for like 30 years.
>>146469222>Why did a big media company swallow a successful brand only to sit on itIt's either A) Just to increase the company's valuationB) An exec had an ambitious plan for them but then got fired/movedC) Both
>>146469449Sadly this, people say they love the muppets then never show up for it.
>>146469222They've had their eyes on the Muppets for a while before they finally bought them. I think they originally wanted sesame street as well
>Jim Henson?!?!>He wouldn't sell! HE WOULDN'T SELL!
>>146469449>the vast majority of people do not care about the muppetsTrue, but also disney hasn't given people a reason to care about the muppets because they all but hollowed the people who made it special.The muppets were never supposed to just be one thing but disney doesn't understand that on a fundamental level.
>>146469222They lost the Aerosmith branding? But it was so kino to see so many children go on a ride that honors pedophiles. Fun fact: The Rock'n Roller Coaster is the only Disney ride that goes above 48 mph.
>>146469222Eisner bought them on his way out of running the company and they got lost in the shuffle when Iger came in because he didn't give a fuck about Muppets and wanted to focus on buying Pixar and all that other stuff.
>>146469712see >>146469314
>>146469222Henson had plans to give them to Disney back before he died.
>>146469418Muppets 3D was the last thing henson worked on before his death. This is the end of an era.
>>146470153>they all but hollowed the people who made it special.They also replaced kermits voice actor because he got vocal with the direction disney was taking the franchise, and replaced him with someone who doesn't sound like kermit at all.
>>146470295>They lost the Aerosmith brandingSteven Tyler said they wont be touring much anymore, so there's really not much point in keeping it.
>>146469314Is this like when they bought Marvel and then said internally, "I have good news, I just bought Superman!" Only to be told, "No you bought Spiderman," and then desperately wanted to back out of that deal? Of course that story could be false.
>>146473444Disney was salivating over getting Sesame Street during the original 90s deal even though Jim was adamant that it wasn't part of the deal since he wanted the show to remain an educational nonprofit. It was the main "Unrelated to his death" reason it never happened back then.By the time Disney bought the Muppets for real, the Henson kids had given full custody of Sesame Street to CTW (which rebranded as Sesame Workshop) and they only sold the Muppets and Bear in the Big Blue House while keeping everything else.
>>146469222Wasn't there a conspiracy theory that they killed Jim Henson
>>146473633Ah so it was just greed and wanting other people to sell when they never were going to and not utter retardation.
Iger just sold $42.7 million dolars worth of his personal Disney stock...something is going on behind the scenes and it's not good. I'm guessing whoever they're picking for his replacement as CEO must be even worse than Chapek and Iger is trying to cash in now.
>>146475308Could be he's just battoning down for the oncoming rising costs of living.
>>146469314What an accurate picture.
>>146473444There is a confirmed story about that from the Jim Shooter days. Shooter got a call from upstairs and an exec said "I got us a great deal for Wonder Woman licensing in Europe!" Jim said "Great! Go tell Jenette over at DC, cuz we don't own Wonder Woman!" and it took him another 10 minutes to explain to to them they really didn't own them.In another example of executive disconnect, an Imagineer buddy of mine was tasked to give an instructional lecture about Star Wars and it's history to Disney execs who didn't know anything about it when it was bought and he was shocked at the amount of them who thought Disney had bought Star Trek.
>>146475859Jesus tapdancing Christ. Disney execs through the ages must be the most ignorant sonsofbitches in the world.
>>146469616Also, removing competition when you're on a downward trajectory.
>>146475308All stock valuations are inflated by absolutely staggering factors, and the financial regime propping this up took a poison pill they can't regurgitate. Are you ready?
>>146469222Muppets was only really culturally relative in the 70s and 80s. That's about it.It got some life support in the 90s for a bit with a couple movies. But the repeated failed Muppets reboot shows a decade ago proves that their popularity has gone.
>>146469314>They fundamentally misunderstand the muppets and think they're for children.Pretty much. They bought a property that was designed to make fun of hippies, acid rockers and general 70s counterculture and thought it was Sesame Street for kids older than 6.
What they really wanted was Sesame Street
>>146476419Well sort of. Muppets might be one of the earliest things that was made for kids, but filled with enough references and jokes for the parents to love it too. That kind of thing was incredibly rare in kids shows until the 90s.
>>146475859I feel like Disney would have fucked up Trek even worse than Starwars.
>>146473633All Disney wanted from that was the merchandising. Sesame Street is a fucking merch monster that can slap Bigbird or Elmo on anything and sell it.
>>146476489Disney could fuck up chocolate flavored sex robots nowadays.
>>146475308Probably getting ready for the new DOJ head that will be picking up where DeSantis left off and Disny will be under fire for political bullshit fir the next few years.
>>146476476>earliestI'm not an expert, but I believe Howdy Doody predates Muppets by at least two decades.
>>146476650By about 10 years actually; Henson produced his first Wilkins coffee with Wilkins and Wontkins in 1957, which is 10 years after the first airing of Howdy Doody.
>>146477018produced his first Wilkins coffee COMMERCIAL*
>>146469222I remember seeing the Muppet 3D movie at Disneyworld when I was a kid, and laughing my ass off when Kermit comes out and insists they won't be stooping to any "cheap 3D tricks", and of course Fozzie Bear comes out and immediately does all of the cheap 3D tricks (blowing a party horn that pops out at the audience, a snake-in-a-can, and spraying the audience with water) while Statler and Waldorf tell him he's not funny, and the cannonball/gun fight between the Swedish Chef and the penguins. Good shit.
>>146476030executives in general only barely know what's going on in the companies they run
>>146469222wait, wasn't there a Monster INC land already or am I thinking of japan's?
>>146470295California Screamin'/Screamin/Incredicoaster goes 55mph
>>146476489It would be impossible for them to have done any worse with Trek than everything that happened since DS9/Voyager.
>>146477267Disney's Picard would see Jean-Luc Picard killed off in the first 15 minutes and replaced with his black daughter (who is also bald)
>>146477234you might be thinking of the initial announcement back in August
>>146477208There's a limit though. Not knowing the day-to-days of a factory floor or what every single middle management fuck is doing, even if it's unethical/illegal things, is a teeny bit understandable. But when you're spending millions and billions of company cash you should know what you're buying! >>146477283She's also better than him and a lesbian. Her girlfriend is a ferengi.
>>146477208Other people are paid to do that lmao
>>146477241I miss California Screamin’, all those fucking tubes and shit ruin the ride and the view it used to have and I liked the original soundtrack.
>>146478776Screamin always had the tubes, it was to reduce noise for the people who live near the parkbut yes, the original soundtrack was top tierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-z5cpmh14o
>>146469449>the vast majority of people do not care about the muppets. that's probably why.and they give a shit about monster's inc?
>>146476396>But the repeated failed Muppets reboot shows a decade ago proves that their popularity has gone.disney doesnt understand the muppets. There is a cleverness machinegun like effect of the old stuff, where it just one parody or gag after another while also being honest and sincere. Disney can not do any of that for an extended period of time. One of their big movies is lucky to get 4 or 5 of those across 2 hours.
>>146469222They own it cause Jim Henson wanting to keep his work immortalized and knew Disney would keep the IP alive or at least reserved for the future much longer than his estate could.But then he found out Disney is run by money grubbing lawyer jerks who dragged out the deal till his deathbed.
>>146479343it's pretty impressive how he managed to screw them out of Sesame Streetimagine Elmo in the hands of Disney
>>146479352Would it even be considered his to sell since its Public Broadcast owned, right?
>>146479352Didn't they make a 3D super hero preschool show with Elmo and Cookie Monster not too long ago?
>>146479379Jim retained the rights to the Muppet characters on Sesame Street and split the merch profits with CTW.
>>146479270Stupid question. Monster's Inc has been in the public's eye more in the past 20 years than Muppets
>>146479447>Two theatrical movies and some streaming stuff nobody watchedThey're about on par.
>>146479379Henson owned the Muppet characters
>>146479447>>146479461I feel like muppets are constantly making cameos in other places. The Game Awards obviously, but I feel like I keep seeing them crop up other places too but I can't put my finger on it.
>>146476476>Muppets might be one of the earliest things that was made for kids, but filled with enough references and jokes for the parents to love it too>Made for kidsNot originally.
>>146479541you might just be extending Elmo's pretty strong media presence to the rest of the Muppets
>>146469222The muppets office-like sitcom they made was pretty good. Adult show, good modern take on the concept.
>>146477267>Voyager.I fucking hated voyager so much. I hated janeway. I really hated neelix. I hated 99% of the crew in general. Except for the holographic doctor, he was the only decent character on the show. VOY should've been like the first two seasons of TOS, a space western. Exploring an unknown section of the galaxy far from home. Being free from the federations' rules and just trying to survive and make it back home. But no! Instead it was the most contrived, cowardly, not risk taking, up it's own ass, bullshit ass, star trek show ever. So many chances of an early exist; wasted, because of janeway's moral code. It legitimately pissed me off how many times that occurred. Not to mention the regular episodes just being overall pointless and boring. The only somewhat good episodes were with the borg and when the ship was exploring truly unknown space. Everything else felt like typical star trek garbage. TNG and DS9 being shit is understandable, because roddenberry died after season 1 of tng. And season 1 of tng was closest to the original series in feel. VOY should've been better. It's not just voyager though. Modern star trek is just such pretentious, pseudo-intellectual garbage. Except for enterprise. The premise was great. But the execution was awful. The best were the andorian episodes. Jeffrey combs as shran never disappoints. I also liked how they showed how smug and pretentious the vulcans truly were. Wish we got the romulan war and a refit of the nx-01. Sadly, I dont watch trek no more. STD was such fucking awful garbage that I have not watched a single star trek thing except for picard. Season 1 was bad. Season 2 was slightly better. Season 3 was what it should've been all along. I did watch a bit of SNW. I gotta say Pike is a fucking pussy and I dont respect him. His cowardice makes the show unwatchable.
>>146479564I think I just have no concept of time. I looked it up and they were appearing on a lot of talk shows and stuff about 5 years ago. There was also that whole thing where Kermit and Miss Piggy broke up and that was everywhere. That was 10 years ago. It doesn't feel that long ago. Still though, easily in the last 20 years.
>>146469222IMO its less about doing things with that property moreso than it is making sure no one else can do things with it.
>>146469253care to elaborate?
>>146479644>TNG and DS9 being shitbringing out the real spicy takesRoddenberry did two good things for star trek: he made it and he died
>>146479644I supposed I shouldn't be surprised Roddenberry purists exist
>Disney insists on making live action remakes of all their films>when they could be making Muppet versions
>>146469222They bought Fox just for X-Men and they now have a bunch of properties they can't do anything with. I highly doubt you'll see How Green Was My Valley or Grapes of Wrath on Disney Plus
>>146469222Who cares? Muppets teach woke values so it's bad by default.
>>146481397>Market it as though the Muppets are actors playing the characters in the films
>>146483328We should break them all up.
>>146484527good luck getting antitrust lawsuits through the next administration
>>146477283>replaced with his black daughter (who is also bald)If it worked for Persis Khambatta...
>>146469222Why make that?
>>146481254I'm honestly impressed, usually they can't stop complaining about TNG long enough to even acknowledge the later series.
