Tropes you hate.>Character finds out another character doesn't like them>Character is told not to get upset over thisI wouldn't even have a problem with this trope if the character that dislikes the other character had a valid reason for not liking them, but usually it's either for no reason at all, or something the character can't control. The lesson in these episodes is supposed to be, "Not everyone will like you", but it's more like, "If someone just arbitrarily decides they don't like you, you're in the wrong for getting upset over this".
>>146490370Well the only reason you'd need to get upset is if the person went out of their way to interact with you even though they already know they don't like you. Most people just wouldn't bother you once they realized they didn't like you. Also I hate heroes who kill henchmen but then spare the villain
>>146490370When a character stands up to someone then the show thinks they are the asshole and they have to be the one to apologize because they are the main character they are suppose to be good.
>Poor character gets money and this is a horrible thing
>>146490370>New character shows up>One character thinks they're shady or suspicious for completely valid reasons>Their entire friend group immediately turns on them because they think their friend is just jealous because....?>Character turns out to be right>The entire friend group immediately goes back to him >everyone's supposed to pretend nothing happened and that they didn't turn on their friend for basically no reason
>>146490370>nerd character talks in technobabble>ERRR ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS IF WE REVERSE THE POLARITY
>>146490370>Male character walks in a topless or naked female character>Female screams and assaults him>Everyone treats him like a pervertHalf the time he doesn't even have any reason to think someone is in the next room.
>>146490641you were being annoying twilight
>Character is used to danger and risks in their job>They fuck up ONE TIME and get someone hurt>Character is ashamed and chooses to retire forever because of one mishap.
>NOOO YOU CAN'T KILL MASS MURDERS/SERIAL KILLERS WHO KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH/BRAKE OUT OF JAILmurder is the final solution to these types
>depowering in generalIt's such a shitty trope, it never works well at all.>villain can somehow steal people's powers, even though the powers have different origins like alien biology, metahuman genes, magic, technology, etc.>superhero is so powerful that they have to depower him every other episode instead of creating powerful villainsIt also goes against what people want out of stories like that, which is to see cool superpowers.
>>146490616I will Steven Universe credit for this.Greg is paid bank for his song being used for a jingle and he still has most of it by the time of future.
>>146490370That only villains can be bullies and sadistic towards the heroes and other. I wish there was a hero that was openly sadistic and enjoys bullies villains and evil-doers. Not a anti-hero, but a full on superhero, mind you.
>>146490686There were times they did address that (thankfully) but it's likely that all writers these days have been replaced with Lisa slaveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnRt_JEoBRUhttps://youtu.be/qL_5EksSDIU?si=clcPjuFvtWw-tdcO&t=64
>>146490370>but usually it's either for no reason at all, or something the character can't control.So it's true to life.
>>146490370>"God why are you so horrible and evil!!!">Says new character to established 1# good guy of the setting who's feeling immense guilt
>>146490370No one is entitled to being liked.
>>146490686This is called an 'apology character'.>Sorry we only have one female cast member. But to make it up, we made her the best at everything.
>>146490758>It also goes against what people want out of stories like that, which is to see cool superpowersTangential rant here: I hate it when superpowers are given to characters, but all they proceed to ever do is have fist fights.
>>146491197Not the OP but boy am I fighting every urge to make this thread political/culture war shit right now.
>>146491323Weird flex, but okay.
>>146491460I could see how you might see it as a flex but I sorta meant it as a, "there's a joke I could make but boy is it hard to not go there." Apologies.
>>146490370Having to wait 15 minutes to make a reply.Makes me not want to even bother replying. It's probably a blessing in disguise, I don't know.
>church bad>jocks cheerleaders bad>comedic beta nerd gets hot women
>>146490370>girl acts like a bitch>it’s because he likes him.
>>146491197So it's OK for someone to hate you for no reason?
>>146491734Yes.
>>146491734as long as they're not a dick about it
>character gets rich>becomes a jerk because "rich people bad">loses all their money at the end of the storyI think the only time I liked it was Kim Possible and even then just because the other jokes were good.
>muscles bad/dumb
>>146490686I like how Family Guy and American Dad eventually stopped treating the wives as the voice of reason and made them more goofy/psycho.
>>146490370Time travel resurrections
>>146490370Revenge is bad and/or cycle of violence. It's very rarely done well, and in most cases the hero who has to break the cycle and forgo revenge has genuinely been wronged and is showing mercy to someone who is a a genuinely unrepentant monster.
>character A gets into situation that looks bad but has a completely logical explanation>character B notices then and gets angry before character A can give the explanation
>>146490370>Character puts on snorkel >They can now breath and move freely underwater at any depth and for any lenght of time
>>146493919>Entire story hinges on misunderstandings and only keeps going because none of the characters are smart enough to just talk to each-other for 1 minute or ask simple questions
>>146493688Resurrections in any form. If the writer can bring back characters from the dead whenever they want, then don't expect me to care about any future "life or death" situation you put your characters through. Death's revolving door is one of the main reason I stopped giving a shit about the Big Two's capshit long ago.
>>146493846I'm sure you probably will disagree, but I am fond of this, but only because I am of the opinion that the hero doesn't indulge in revenge because it's wrong, not necessarily because the villain does or doesn't deserve it.But I'm a bit out of touch in that respect I suppose.
>>146494174It's a fair reason, and you're allowed to like what you like. There are some heroes that I think shouldn't indulge in revenge - paragons of virtue like Superman, for example.
>>146490370>"Oh, we can't have the hero be married, it makes him look so old!"Many such cases. I'm specifically thinking of the reasons behind One More Day being written and, more recently, the aborted Batwedding.
>>146490707Ehhhh that's pretty fair, it's relatively common in high stress jobs in particular, you can have a perfect record then fuck up once and people die and you will never forget that.
>>146494365If we're strictly talking in the realm of fiction, it makes sense for some characters to be vindictive, and it drives the story and is always shown to be a part of them rather than necessarily a moral prerogative. We could delve into the most obvious elephant in the room with Batman as well, but I feel like the failing there is that Batman isn't allowed to ever end, even though the longer it goes on, the more questionable a lot of decisions there become. But again that's another hot take of mine. Ignoring all that for a moment even in the context of Batman I've always felt the failing is why the justice system continues to fail without any sort of explanation. Not without one that makes sense outside of Gotham being an American city. Maybe if it was a fictional America, with fictional laws, a fictional justice system and a fictional constitution. But I've never seen anyone explain such a fictitious framework before and certainly not in any detail. If there's some sort of answer there within the story I'd be delighted to hear it. But as of yet no one's proffered one that makes sense or attempts to explain.
>>146490797Homelander?
>>146494684>Not without one that makes sense outside of Gotham not being an American city*Pardon. What I'm driving at is America's laws here applied to the joker and so many other super villains as well as Arkham asylum still don't make a lick of sense to someone with just small amount of experience or knowledge in the subject. I suppose that goes for the "no kill rule" trope. A trope that I'm also not unfond of in principle, but again that comes with certain caveats. Another rabbit hole we could go down ad infinitum.
>>146494008how do you think snorkels works?
>>146494816The tube has to be outside the water to actually get more air in, a rebreather doesn't have that issue
>>146490370>Protagonist is very social and confident and brave and a leader and yadda yadda >Female shows interest in him>"AHYUCK AW GEEZE I-I-I...GURLS!? U-UH....AHYUCK...MY SPAGHETTI!!!"can we just ONCE have a protagonist that isn't a bumbling autistic idiot when it comes to romance? I wanna see my boy pull her in by flirting and being confident and charming, not doing the awkward shit
>>146494938We would need writers who weren't that first.
>>146494008>Characters hold their breath> start talking underwater or start communicating telepathically despite never showing this ability before I can appreciate it when they don't give a fuck sometimes
>>146491734Nobody but you said hate. Dislike is not hate, the absence of like is not hate, it's apathy.
>>146494816A snorkel is literally just a straw for pulling in air from the surface.They also stop working after a certain length/depth. They can be used in certain skin diving situations where you snorkel near the surface until you see somewhere you want or need to dive deeper. But that's not really any different from just holding your breath and going under with goggles and whatever else have you.
>>146494684I think the closest that they've ever come to address these things is, at least early on, they leaned on Batman's villains being mentally unfit to stand trial.It may or may not be speculation, but I've heard anons proffer the notion that Gotham exists in a state that has abolished the death penalty. But like you say, a lot of the problems only really crop up because the never-ending nature of the Batman story.
>>146490370I've never seen this trope done where the person who didn't like them wasn't totally irrelevant to their day to day life. The whole point is even if someone arbitrarily doesn't like you there's no point to getting upset with it because it's irrelevant to you and you'll be happier ignoring them rather trying to get them to like you..
>>146494816You put the goggles over your mouth and the tube in your mouth. You can now see under water and breath AS LONG AS THE OTHER END OF THE TUBE REMAINS OUTSIDE OF THE WATER.
>>146490616>super contrived reason for them to loose it all at the end>they're happier being broke
>>146495182>I think the closest that they've ever come to address these things is, at least early on, they leaned on Batman's villains being mentally unfit to stand trial.>It may or may not be speculation, but I've heard anons proffer the notion that Gotham exists in a state that has abolished the death penalty.Both those things don't fully explain some of the problems that arise. For one, being mentally ill does not necessarily mean you are going to be ruled not guilty by reason of insanity. Even being schizophrenic and having auditory hallucinations does not necessarily mean you're unaware of your actions and their consequences. At the risk pointing out the obvious in real life, most prisons are filled with people who are FAR crazier than any of the Batman villains. No small amount of them actually getting mental illnesses from being imprisoned. Being able to make a plan with steps and follow through with it proves you understand action and consequence. Most of the villain in Arkham are absolutely fit to stand trial, Joker included.Even without the death penalty you have the issue of the fact that every villain in Gotham has an understanding of the law and what is and isn't against the law. They are fully cognizant of what the law is and means. I might be reaching a little, but from what I've seen most of the writers seem to think acting weird, strange, silly or having questionable rationality equate to being criminally insane, when that is absolutely not the case. Even if Gotham has no death penalty - Hasn't the Joker killed and committed crimes in every state in the Union? He could easily be extradited to Kansas, Montana, Idaho, or Utah and be unable to enter an insanity defense plea in any of those states. All four of these states have the death penalty, and all of them do not have an insanity defense.And that's not even getting into villains being shot by police.
>>146490370>character sings song about the 70's>It's about the 70-79 ADI hate when that happens.
>>146494095That’s jades husband.
>>146496556>I might be reaching a little, but from what I've seen most of the writers seem to think acting weird, strange, silly or having questionable rationality equate to being criminally insaneI don't think you're reaching at all. It's one of many areas where comic writers write with incomplete knowledge - but even if we did end up with a comic writer well versed in criminal law, they would be faced not just with the problems facing procedural writers (i.e. balancing accuracy with entertainment, plus accuracy being at odds with what the audiences believes to be correct) but the never-ending story problem you cite earlier plus the fact that most superheroes are wholly unsanctioned vigilantes.Like there was that one time Joker had diplomatic immunity because he represented Iran - with the fictional portrayal of diplomatic immunity conferring wholesale exemption from prosecution and legal consequence for crimes.>Hasn't the Joker killed and committed crimes in every state in the Union? Honestly it's likely he's committed crimes everywhere in the world, and really I think supervillains probably should be considered hostis humani generis under law, or for supervillainy to fall under the scope of universal jurisdiction. >And that's not even getting into villains being shot by police.I don't have the pages - pic related is the closest I have but it should be adequate to the point - but they did have a cop decide to gun down the Joker, albeit not in the line of duty but extrajudicially if memory serves (to best exonerate the Batman) but Batman stepped in to put a stop to it because would be murder.