please recommend me the greatest non-capeshit comic books
>>146701976
>>146701976Better than thr Del Toro version in any way, especially in its critique of Fascism.
The Swindling Indies by Alain Ayroles and Juanjo Guarnido
>>146701976Do you think it's possible that we could come up with a solid list of 100 great, non-superhero comics from the Americas, Europe, and the Antipodes?
>>146703127yes
>>146703145Is it better than Gaiman's Books of Magic?
>>146703127Not likely.
>>146703127Fuck no.
>>146701976CEREBUSHarvey Kurtzman's MADFURY: MY WAR GONE BY
>>146705242>FuryThat's a cape book, even if it is in the MAX universe.
>>146705295It's war comics.
I like witch doctor
>>146705309It uses a well-known cape character. It's an alternate take, but it's still a cape book.
The Adventures of Jerome Katzmeier 01 - The Walls Have Teeth
>>146705386Whatever you say, chief!
>>146701996Fpbp, this is what I came in to post.
>>146705640Great art, meh story.
Satania by Vehlmann and Kerascoët
Arrugas (Wrinkles) by Paco Roca
>>146705386"Cape" character. If one reads it blindly without knowing the characters they wouldn't think it's a cape comic.>>146706097I read this, The House, The Treasure of the Black Swan, Twists of Fate and The Winter of the Cartoonist. They work well as a collective reading experience. Will read Return to Eden and A Man in Pyjamas too this month.
>>146706251Cape character, not "cape" character.
>>146705710Damn right.
>>146701976Lone Sloane
>>146703145>>146706854not really
>>146701976Lynd Ward's stuffMilt Gross - He Done Her Wrong!Usagi YojimboFourth WorldKamandiHitmanWeird Science/Weird Fantasy/Weird Science FantasyDistrict 14PopeyeKrazy KatNancyOnly original creator runs, of course.
>>146707609>Fourth World>Kamandi>HitmanNON-capeshit, fucking retard!Recommendations discarded.
Corto Maltese
>>146707923Kamandi is post apocalyptic scif
>>146701976Grandeville series
Cerberus the ardvark
>>146701976Also by Bryan Talbot: Luther Arkwright series
All the adventures of time agents Valerian and Laureline by Méziers, Christin and Le
Les Compagnions de Crépuscule series by François Bourgeon
The Crow series by James O'Barr
Sin City trades or albums by Frank Miller
Gaspard de la Nuit miniseries by Desberg and De Moor
Donjon by Joann Sfar and Lewis Trondheim
Nikopol trilogy of albums by Enki Bilal
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen series by Moore and O'Neill.
The Invisibles by Morrison et al.
Martha Washington series by Dave Gibbons and Frank Miller.
Hard Boiled miniseries by Geof Darrow and Frank Miller
The Incal series by Mœbius
Blueberry album series by Jean Giraud AKA Mœbius
The Saga of the Meta-Barons by Jodorowsky and Gimenez
Caravaggio miniseries by Milo Manara also, other work by Manara
Anabasis by Xenophon and Petri Hiltunen.Spartan mercenaries are hired to kill the ruler of Persia.
Exterminator 17 by Enki Bilal and Jean-Pierre Dionnet.
Elfquest series by Wendy and Richard Pini
>>146707923>Sci fi Biblical Epic>Planet of the Apes>Literally the name is what's in the tinNone of those are superhero comics, junior.
>>146701976>>146701996>>146702360>>146702536This is the most pretentious board on this site.
>>146707609>>146710119Fourth World is unquestionably a superhero comic. Hitman overlaps enough to count.>>146707923Kamandi probably doesn't count regardless of its publisher.
Seigfried by Alex Alice.
>>146709293capeshit>>146710321if only
Thimble Theater
>>146710321Because you're too dumb to understand something doesn't mean everyone else is just pretending, faggot. Go back to your threads about how much you want to bang characters from children's cartoons, you hero of the masses you.
>>146710499Glad they released that pre-Popeye volume
>>146709101>>146709269>>146709293These are capeshit.
>>146710499This.It's unreal how good E.C. Segar's Thimble Theater run was, and in my opinion Bobby London's run is just as funny.
>>146710338Fourth World, as written by Kirby, is sure as hell not a cape comic.Hitman is a John Woo movie.Both have appearances by supes, as does Kamandi, but the focus is not "catch bad guy of the week so he can escape again".
Groo the Wanderer
>>146711035NTA, but I looked it up. That's a cape comic, homie. It takes place in a cape setting, it has capes on every page, it has capes on the cover, it's made by a cape author, it looks and reads like a cape comic. Even if you can somehow finagle it as not-cape on some technicality (which you can't), it's assuredly not what someone who doesn't want to read capes is looking for.
>>146711181>, it's made by a cape authorJack Kirby did like every major genre that existed in US comics by then.
>>146709079Anyone got a copy?
>>146709852Who's your favorite? Mine is Steelhead the Based
>>146711035No, they're definitely cape comics.
>>146711181>>146711428I'm done with this thread, enjoy your limited perspective.
>>146701976Castle in the stars seriesOgre gods seriesAnd my personal favorite, Swindling indies >>146702654 can't recommend this one enough.
>>146711512You have a limited perspective of what the superhero genre can be. You can have superhero space opera, superhero fantasy, superhero noir, superhero bildungsroman, etc.
>>146711533>Castle in the starsI heard tell that these are not very enjoyable for an adult.
>>146710321Explain yourself.
>>146710398>SeigfriedSpelling's right there dude
>>146711181>>146711428One can argue them being sci-fi/fantasy with gods.>>146711772It's a subgenre that can be applied to many things making it a vague genre. The Shadow/Tarzan appeared before "official" superheroes but they're still basically superheroes. Had Kirby done his stories featuring gods battling each other outside of the big two under a publisher known for fantasy stories would they still be called capeshit? Street vigilante stuff like the Punisher gets lumped with superhero/supervillain/capeshit/vigilante stuff but it's not really that different from something like Dirty Harry/Deathwish that aren't labelled the same way.But it's not hard to name non-superhero comics.
I don't know.
>>146713247The colorful costumes and symbols, codenames, and superpowers place it in the sphere of superheroes.
>>146701976Anything by Mat Brinkman
>>146709079This even in English? Don't tease people like that anon
>>146701976The Obscure Cities.
>>146701976No.
>>146701976Eight Billion GeniesDo a Powerbomb
>>146701976some charts I have saved of recent non-cape recs. if any of these are capeshit then take it up with the chart maker and not me.
>>146715257
>>146715271and that's it. haven't seen if this guy made one for 2023 or not.
>>146701976The InitiatesWeapons of Mass Diplomacy ConcreteFear AgentBirthright
Building Stories by Chris WarePaying For It by Chester BrownSon of a Gun by Alejandro JodorworskySukava by Adam Florian (found on Amazon but for an indie/no-budget book it's not bad)
The Chuckling Whatsit by Richard SalaNeverwhere by Richard CorbenMuvovum By Richard CorbenBlood Star by Richard CorbenSpirits of the Dead by Richard CorbenHeadlopperProphet by Brandon Graham At the Mountains of Madness by Gao TenabeOG Savage Sword of Conan Carl Barks DucksGenesis by Robert CrumbSegar PopeyeTerry and the Pirates by Martin CaniffCaptain Easy by Roy CraneI’ll add another vote for Kamandi as well.
>>146715179These are mediocre, not great.
>>146702654Beat me to it
The Nao of Brown
Maus I and II
>>146715896Kamandi is capeshit.
Bone by Jeff Smith
The Goon by Eric Powell
>>146710708Crow most certainly isn't, it's a story of bloody vengeange.The characters in the League of Extraordinary gentleman predate superheroes. Stories are also quite a bit better.The Invisibles really isn't about superheroes - but you're just trying to sink the thread, not contribute, aren't ya?Everybody else, have some Marsupilami by Franquin.
>>146711137Ooh, absolutely! Also, anything else by Sergio Aragonés.Also also, Spirou & Fantasio albums, especially during Franquin but Tome and Janry era is also good.
>>146710488Next you dishonest fuckers will claim that 100 bullets by Azazello is capeshit.To the rest of you:Bouncer by Jodorowsky & Boucq
>>146715286I did. And I'm going to re-do the rest. Soon-ish.
Asterix series of albums by Goscinny and Uderzo.Later only by Uderzo. (RIP Goscinny)
>>146711035>>146707609100% pure cape.
>>146717844The Crow is about a revenant vigilante that takes on a new identity and gains superpowers.LoEG is about a Victorian version of The Avengers.The Invisibles is about a cell of powerful individuals, each with their own codenames, trying to save the world from the big evil guys.>>146717997>100 bullets by Azazello is capeshit.No, that one isn't.
>>146711181>it's made by a cape authorThis is the stupidest thing ever posted on /co/.
>>146718386You are just calling EVERYTHING "le capeshit XD" at this point.
>>146705295>>146705386>>146706251>>146707556>>146707923>>146710338>>146710708>>146711181>>146711428>>146718386not everything that's cape is capeshit. OP asked for "no capeshit", not "no cape" full stop.
>Retarded trolls reading the Odyssey>What is this capeshit!!!1!!!oneSigh. Anyways, Uncle Scrooge stories by Don Rosa.
>146718386Just for that I'm gonna claim that Len Weins run of the Swamp Thing isn't capeshit.It's clearly a continuation of dark romanticism of late 19th century and gothic horror. Also, detective noir.
>the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is about a Victorian version of The Avengers.You've never red the series, that much is clear.Anyway, Nemesis the Warlock by Mills and O'Neill
>>146718421>100 bullets by Azazello is capeshit.>No, that one isn't.And all the other comics that were not labeled as such ITT.>>146718630>>146718821You're crazy and are tainting every comic you recommend.
>The Invisibles is about a cell of powerful individuals, each with their own codenames, trying to save the world from the big evil guys.>That means that Lord of the Rings, Song of Ice and Fire, and Dragonlance chronicles are capeshitYeah, you're totally posting in good faith, hereAnyhow, ABC Warriors by Pat Mills et al.
>>146718848>Yeah, you're totally posting in good faith, hereYou're definitely not. The Invisibles is a cape comic, even if just slightly. Those books are all fantasy, but you already knew that.Not sure what your problem is. You're doing fine recommending non-cape stuff.
>The Crow is about a revenant vigilante that takes on a new identity and gains superpowers.>Superpowers, as in not dying again.>Therefore, Re-Animator is capeshit.Man, you just don't learn?Also, White Trash miniseries by Gordon Rennie and Martin Emond.
>>146718910I'm sorry I mindbroke you, anon.
>146718872For this, I'm claiming that Hellblazer isn't and never was capeshit - it's clearly urban fantasy with beer-and-trenchcoat spy genre.
Loisel's Peter Pan
first dialogue page as sample
>>146718942Ooh, good one!Also, Sandman by Gaiman et al.
>>146718954
Mr. Ash Tuesday by Eric Liberge, translated from Monsieur Mardi-Gras Descendres
>>146718784>>146718960These are cape books.
>>146718984sample pages
>>146718995
>>146718264Phew, I thought Nice house by the lake was gonna be on there.
>>146710488Explain how invisibles is cape shit.
Mutafukaz by Run
>146718987Nuh uhYou are there by Jaques Tardi. Also, most everything else by Tardi.
>>146717399Is mad Max cape shit?
>>146719025
>>146719040
>>146718784I'm pretty sure Moore's run should be classified as a gothic romance book.
>>146718939I bought the omnibus during Amazon's black Friday sale, it's fucking massive, gonna buy Moore's Swamp Thing during the boxing day sale, might even cough up the doubloons for the absolutes if I'm feeling cheeky, I'd rather own them like that but they're so pricey.
>>146719039No way.
>>146719056I think Absolutes are in general a stupid idea, but I've been toying with the idea of nabbing the swamp thing Absolutes as well. The art in that book is just too fucking good.You know, for a more writer's writer like Moore, he actually does a good job of letting his artist speak for themselves, now that I think about it. I've been trying to get through Sandman over the past year and way too much of it is WORDS WORDSWORDSWORDS.
>>146719064It's about a powerful individual who fights bad guys in a post apocalyptic world. If Kamandi is cape shit than Mad Max is cape shit.
Inspector Canardo albums, but only the older ones.All by Benoît Sokal.
>>146719077>I think Absolutes are in general a stupid ideaWhy's that?
>>146719100In general, I don't think they're worth the money, and they seem like they be a pain in the ass to actually read.Mind you, I'm not claiming they are objectively a stupid idea. They just seem dumb to me
>>146719093Oh, we're doing trades?Ok, Heavy Metal and Metal Hurlant.
>>146719115I get it. I can see now that I'm gonna have my struggles reading the Hellblazer omnibus.
>>146702654Is there on official English edition out yet?
>>146706074I remember really liking this and the one about the fairies and the dead girl. What are these guys doing now?
>>146718942Man, that Tinkerbell with the legwarmers was something else...
Before Belzebubs, Ahonen made a comic called Perkeros or "Sing No Evil" in english.
El Borbah miniseries by Charles Burns
Poison Elves series by Drew Hayes
>>146719084Mad Max doesn't pal around with a guy with nuclear powers.
>>146717997No, it's just Shit
>146721876What a suprise, namefag/tripfag has an atocritous tasteAnyways, Tintin by Hergé is beautiful in the later albums.
Little Nemo by Winsor McCay was groundbreaking and beautiful.Also, Little Ego by Vittorio Giardiano
>>146718848>>146718872Alright, I take that one back, unless someone can convince me again. But the others are definitely capes.>>146719019It's a stretch, but you have these guys with powers and secret identities form a team to combat evil outside the law. Thinking about it some more, it's more within the bounds of urban fantasy, though it's based on sci-fi, spy-fi, occultism, conspiracy culture, and superhero comics. It's its own thing.
>>146719093There is at least one cape series within 2000 AD.
>>146721869But he also fights guys in costumes with funny names, and a guy covered in tumors is pretty much nuclear powers.
>>146719717Does this actually good? I tried reading it but got weirdly bored of it despite the action scenes. Stopped at the issue where the kid with the moustache beats up the mc in a convenience store or something.
>>146724172>a guy covered in tumors is pretty much nuclear powers.No, dude.
>>146701976Blacksad.
>>146724028Hmm, which one?
>>146724846Indeed.Album series by Canales & Guarnido.
>>146725360Zenith
>>146726592This is shit.
>>146701976Lou by Julien Neel.
Cerebus by Dave Sim
>>146710321Nigga, we like cartoons and comic books. Neither are high art. /mu/ is easily the most pretentious. /lil/, /tv/, /his/, /k/, and /g/ are honorable mentions.
>>146727198
>>146727208/mu/ hasn't even been pretentious since like 2014~ it's just a dump people go to argue by the KPOP landfill.
>>146727198>>146727212Edgy fucking trash. You'd have a more enjoyable time jerking off with some scouring pads.
>>146727798That's not exactly edgy, you gigantic pussy.
>>146728251I didn't even open the images to read them, not worth my time. Stop shilling this trash.
>>146728779Shan't.
>>146710321not even close
I was going to suggest Marc-Antoine Mathieu, but just two of his albums seems to have been translated into english. Weird.
WTH? Ada in the Jungle by Francesco Tullio Altan hasn't been translated either?
>>146729770Oh, I actually talked to the guy who did the translations for those 2 albums of JCA here https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146663516/#q146666496Apparently all the ones after the first 2 have some gimmick that makes them impossible to digitize.MAM did more than just JCA, though. Me and Philly talked about them in the same thread.
>>146729770Maybe it's because I've only read the first two albums of Prisoner of Dreams, but I feel like his works are missing something. I also read Sens and Dead Memory and felt the same thing.
>>146730052Thank you for that!The gimmicks in Acquefacque albums are indeed good but I agree that they are near impossible to digitze.I'm just wondering why they were never printed in translated english versions, the gimmicks are mostly designed around print media.Thanks again for the link and info.
>>146703159Nice to see her posted early in the thread. Honestly one of the greatest comic strips of all time
>>146730595>why they were never printed in translated english versionsNot enough demand, I'd guess. Real shame, the two that have been translated are incredible.
>>146707642The lettering and art of cerebus is fantastic, but I always felt like the story was kind of a mess
>>146723103Agreed, though the lettering always hurts to look at
>>146730602
>>146724111Love this, wish Guy Davis would come back to comics one day.
>>146703159>>146730602>>146730807I was binge reading a bunch of dailies and there are so many misses.
>>146730851really? which ones? I'm not saying Nancy is perfect but I don't remember a lot really missing
>>146730858I started with the earliest I could find and read several years worth.
>>146727238>>146727208Can confirm. I’m a pretentious musician and I was expecting to go there finding people talking about dank shit. It’s all K-pop and normie-tier music. People get hyper defensive about it, but that is not a space for music snobs.
>>146711894I dunno man, I thought it was a fun read.
Beautiful Darkness
>>146703159Based
>>146701976KaijumaxSpaceman by AzzareloThe spider king is a good tumblr tier art by idw or boomGodzilla in hellLes blondes (funny slapstick french comicbook)Anything by Ralf KöingExmachina (best BKV comicbook ever, the rest can't compare)>>146705227THIS one is really good I read it years ago.>>146706097Based Paco enjoyer add my vote to this.Lucky luke by Goscinny About all these comicbook by Image posted in this thread, only Fatale and Criminal are truly good.I will add Luther Strodde is only 3 volumes, but it is really good and sincere.
>>146701976Pinnochio rocks
>>146727798>t. knows nothing of CerebusThe comic started as a Conan spoof, and then became so much more. To the point the term "Cerebus syndrome" was coined in its honour.
>>146718630>not everything that's cape is capeshit.
>>146730638>the story was kind of a messVery very much. Dave had a 1000 issue plan. And then had a mental breakdown and all his personal problems (divorce, alcoholism, misogyny) spilled into the writing.
>>146734687What are you talking about?
>>146734695Follow the (You) chain back to>>146707642
>>146734714Your post is fantasy.
>>146714640The premise is great. It's no where near as erotic as that cover suggests. But the series isn't very satisfying.
>>146701976This was a fun read. I remember checking it out at my local library on an annual basis as a kid.
Man all this arguing about what is capeshit and what is not really makes me wish for a thread discussing to what extent something should be for it to be defined as capeshit. Does this mean a bunch of cool shonen battle manga is basically capeshit because they all wear flashy costumes, have simplistic-ish morals a lot of the time, and often have some sort of symbol on their outfit? Also having a bunch of cool powers, the only thing really missing are cool codenames, but even then they have that.
>>146733520>ExmachinaThat's a superhero comic.
>>146734818>capeshitProbably means 2 things to 2 different sets of people>superhero comics or movies and anything superhero adjacent>bad superhero comics or moviesSo I don't see shonen qualifying.
>>146711191Maybe the thread should have been about comics that aren't genre fiction.
Religious people seem to hate this comic a lot.
>>146735332I wonder if it's all in if it labels itself as superhero shit.
>>146718848>posting in good faithGet that gay shit out of here
>>146735803I think I read this in HEAVY METAL.
>>146720355I really like the weird facial proportions and characters in Charles Burns' older comics. Big Baby's great too
Passengers of the Wind is pretty cool.
>>146734687>misogyny)the story about dave meeting with the author of Bone and insulting women (IIRC) in front of his wife was kinda funny. Also it's crazy Dave is friends with >>146730834
>>146736990Gownley and Sim haven't spoken in years, just that Sim's work was a huge inspiration to Gownley when he started out doing comicsI don't think they've even communicated much outside of that one collaboration with Amelia meeting CerebusI remember listening to an interview and IIRC Gownley briefly touched upon Sim's controversies over the years and that Dave made his bed with his actions
>>146736990>>14673708030:47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViSQbaIiF1oBasically he acknowledges that Dave dug his own holeDoes Dave even talk to other artists these days?
>>146737080>>146737132Ah I see, thanks for the clarification anon
No one has suggested Love and Rockets yet?
>>146734729Which one, exactly? And I mean with post and which part you think is fantasy.
>>146737948I guess not. Volume 1 is great, especially during the second half.
>>146737959>Dave had a 1000 issue plan. Fantasy.>then had a mental breakdown and all his personal problems (divorce, alcoholism, misogyny) spilled into the writing.Fantasy.
>>146738184
>>146734623>"Cerebus syndrome" was coined in its honour.more like dishonor. I've never heard the term used outside of TV Tropes, and even onsite I only heard it used with disdain. imagine what an rancid cowpatty your comic has to be that TVTROPES is using it as a pejorative stand-in to call other media bad.>>146734665I said what I said. Words exist to be used, and capeSHIT is a compound term to describe BAD cape, implying the existence of good cape.>>146735332yeah exactly. some people lump everything to do with superheroes as capeshit because they hate the concept of capes entirely.also, so I'm not just being a shitstirrer, lemme recommend some more non-cape comics I like:>House of Penance (Historical Horror about the Winchester House)>anything by Al Columbia (my favorites are his Seymour Sunshine stories)>Strange Attractors (Old man uses Chaos Theory to prevent NYC from imploding, passes his work onto another mathematician just prior to his demise and an imminent terrorist attack, by the same author at 8 Billion Genies)>Blackwood by Evan Dorkin (Murder mystery set at a New England magic university, short and sweet)>Citizen Jack (Guy makes a deal with a demon to become president. Got cancelled after 6 issues, but still a decent read.)
>it’s capshit>it’s not capeshit>ablooblooblooGo fuck yourselves
>>146719500That david fincher adaption would've been cool
>>146738345All of your recommendations are worse than Cerebus.
>>146739170>no ucry some more
>>146735409People would break that rule too.
>>146739170>Al Columbia worse than Cerebus
>>146739632Yes, and I say that as a Columbia fan.
>>146739763You say that as a braindead hick if you really think Cerebus compares to Columbia. Even Pim & Francie's Golden Bear Days, the book full of unrealized ideas and sketches, is miles better than anything from Dave Sim.And I do want to be clear: I've got no problems with stories published in Cerebus that Sim had no involvement in, things like "normalman." by Jim Valentino which started as a 4 page mini in issue 56. No, I specifically fucking despise the character of Cerebus the Aardvark and the ramblings of Dave Sim.
>>146737948I've read Maggie but never dipped my toe in Palomar, should I?
>>146739632That man's ideas aren't even finished, how is he better?
>>146739909That's fine, but you're wrong. Sorry. Al Columbia is incredibly talented, but nothing he's completed (or left unfinished) compares to Cerebus.
>>146715286Re-done 2022.
>>146740914Most of the ones I read weren't very good, and the ones I didn't look even worse.The few I liked, I didn't like much.What happened to comics?
>>146740956Time for you to move on to other interests. Sláinte!
>>146740967That doesn't answer my question.
>>146740982
All of Jason's stuff is great.
>>146741042>Sales numbers are down>It's the fans fault!Also, Long John Silver album series by Dorison & Laufray has been good so far.
>>146740956Americans have always treated the title "graphic novel" as something that must be above mere "comics" in some way, usually by being snooty, having a "message", or both. And this guy in particular loves recommending American message-fic, and his lists are useless if you're not into that. That's assuming he reads these things at all, instead of just copying lists from mainstream sites. Because look, he's got Lore Olympus on there, and that's Webtoons romance trash widely considered trash even by the people who like that sort of trash. And I've read (some of) Monstress, and can confirm it's trash as well. Lol, and only one BD, too. Also, that 2022 list has 90 fucking comics on it, all just dumped on there with no indication of content, or why the recommender likes them in the first place. At that point you're better off just going through the new releases at a comic store. In short, these lists are shit.
>>146735752Religious people hate its clear anti-religious message, modern leftists hate its nudity and sexuality. It's very much a comic of its time. Personally, I enjoyed it. The art alone is pretty great, and the entire thing has a surreal taste to it. It very much mimics a religious/mythological tale, so it's all very broad strokes storytelling. The main character isn't sympathetic, which I suspect throws off a lot of modern readers. Because that's what I've seen them complain about.
>>146734917Not is not, is like saucer country.If you think exmachina is a superhero comic, then you need to improve your reading skills.
>>146742723NTA, but that's clearly a cape comic. It's about a costumed hero with superpowers. That's as cape as cape gets.>b...b...but it has a slightly different story than other cape comics!Doesn't fucking matter. You're one to go on about reading comprehension when you can't even understand OP's post. Jesus fucking Christ, what is it with you capes fans trying to force capes into this thread? You have threads upon threads to talk about your capeshit. Why come to the ONE thread that says "no capeshit" to push capeshit?
>>146741639Sales are up
>>146718821BE PUREBE VIGILANTBEHAVE
>>146742723It is very obviously a superhero comic.
>>146738345You seem to think that your opinion counts as fact. In this, you are mistaken. As you are also mistaken in a bunch of opinions expressed in this post.
>>146739926Palomar is (IMHO) better then the Locas. Very different though - Beto writes magical-realism compared to Jaime's much more grounded stories.
>>146710321You must be joking. This is one of the dumbest, most philistine boards on the site, and your post supports that.
>>146741679The guy just loves making charts to fuel discussion, but putting a bunch of shit on there kinda defeats the point.
>>146741679I do get annoyed by the "graphic novel" title. In my head, a graphic novel is something that was written to be what it is, it isn't a collection of previous issues.
>>146743694I'll check it out, thanks.
>>146743694Both storylines dip into magical realism, but Palomar runs more parallel to the works of Garcia Marquez. I prefer Jaime.
>>146744420I think a lot of those fall under that.
>>146743694Based fellow Palomar-preferer.
>>146701976No
>>146741042Still doesn't answer my question.
>>146702360Cool cover
>>146749617It is.
>>146747499Your tastes are not an objective measure of comics' quality.
>>146705640Odd
>>146710321I love From Hell and Asterios, so because of your post I ended up trying out Blast. And it's great! Unique art, story, writing. It's always idiots who deride others without contributing anything themselves. Get fucked moron! :)
>>146752395Based.
>>146751853What's odd about it?
Nobody likes The Filth anymore?
>>146709011Breddy gud, even if some of the later books were a wee bit on the just as keikaku side, but fuck me if Talbot doesn't draw some delectable badger ladies.
>>146718264Please don't. Someone could actually think your troll charts were meant to be serious.
>>146718848>not using morrigun as an eye catcherRookie mistake.
>>146740914JESUS, everything is pretencious bad art tier.
>>146740914This is just a useless list. It's just a wall of covers- virtually none of which tell me shit about the comic.>>146744420If you don't think Corben's Neverwhere is a graphic novel I'm not sure what to tell you. something can be published in parts and still tell one story. Dumas, Dickens and a lot of other authors serialized their novels in newspapers- do we need a new name for those too?>inb4 but that's different followed by a lot of weasel words.
>>146755333It's a superhero comic.
>>146740914Why is the Graphic Novel genre such a fucking terrible lost cause space? I rarely see one that doesn't look annoying by the art style or subject matter. It's like if Tumblr had their own specific brand of books.
>>146757236Because it's not a genre. It's a taste. The concept barely exists outside of America, and only then because it was imported from America. This was a long ass time ago, but I remember going to a bookstore I used to visit occasionally, and normally the only comic-related stuff they carried was a small alcove of cartoons. As in, mostly newspaper cartoons, right next to the newspapers and magazines. We had a good newspaper cartoonist my father likes, and I once got a big collected volume of his stuff there for my father's birthday. But there was a new addition to the store that time: A little table right in the view of people entering the store advertising this "new" thing. Graphic novels. You know, fucking comics. There's a comics store in the same street. And another one another street over. But the thing that really got me was that they included a little folder that explained how to read comics, like it's this alien thing. The sort of stuff you would expect not just for people unfamiliar with comics, but human society in general.Americans fight over what is and isn't a Graphic Novel, but when you get down to it a big part of the term comes down to just being a comic for people who feel too good for comics. I guess it's just good luck that some of them are, in fact, quite readable.
>>146739926I read the books out of order. At first I prefered the Locas stories. But then I read Poison River and went "ooooooooooOOOOH!" and went back to fill in all the gaps in the Palomar stories. Poison River is the best American comic I've read.
>>146757993>he term comes down to just being a comic for people who feel too good for comics.That's part of it. The other part is that a graphic novel is written and drawn as a whole, rather then a bunch of monthly episodes that happen to be reprinted together.
>>146756356You sound kind of cunty. I was just saying that "graphic novel" doesn't connote any particular quality or intelligence or anything of that nature, which is what some people seem to think.
>>146758089Perhaps, but that is also an American concept. European albums don't really function according to either principle, and as far as I'm aware the Japanese also do not consider this to be much of a distinction despite having a lively magazine-publishing industry.
>>146703159Nice
>>146758569Agreed. But remember that most bédé are published a few pages a week in magazines like Tchou, Witch and Spirou then collected in yearly albums.
>>146719039Does Mad Max have Superman in it?
>>146718784>>146718960My favorite part of these non-cape books is when Batman and the Justice League show up :D
