Idk why I'm even posting this, last thread got no traction at all. Does /co/ just not give a shit about this franchise anymore?Previous threadhttps://desuarchive.org/co/thread/146543945
>>146730583Void Rivals has always had the least traction on /co/ out of all the Energon Universe titles even with all the Transformers related stuff
>>146730674As if the poor guy's self-esteem wasn't bad enough
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Kind of feels like its spinning its wheels, pun not intendedI thought when Megs got free that meant year 2 would be about him assuming control
>>146730669holy fuck
>>146730737Its felt like that since the end of the first arc. Stalling its time with filler nonsense until GI Joe catches up. All the important shit is happening in Void Rivals.
>>146730669>>146730783You just fucking know this is gonna inspire some fujo to come up with some depraved things
>>146730677well uh I hope he got turned online fast enough...
>>146730677well i hope it was just the general area blown up intead of trailbreaker. dude barely gets used
>>146730583>last thread got no traction at allYou gotta take into account that the wider Energon Universe is pretty much completely irrelevant compared to the main TF comic, especially Void Rivals (as sad as that is to admit) since it's a completely new IP that JUST so happens to be the one closest tied to this comic so far, I presume those threads will only start picking up steam once they actually start putting the god damn bots in the covers more often.Regardless, your labor is appreciated, anon, it's always fun to get to discuss the overarching plot in these threads when I actually catch them still being active.>>146730806I mean, if Warpath is alive then I wouldn't put them above giving fuckin' FORCEFIELD guy Trailbreaker a little fake-out death
>>146730609WARPATH MY BELOVED!
>>146730838NTA, but I think Void Rivals is a better Transformers book than this is.
I like the implication Cliffjumper used to be way more hardcore, like classic Cliffjumper
>>146730905Hey I won't be the one to argue otherwise, I'm just saying it is worth acknowledging that to an outsider it still looks like a completely separate comic from the Energon Universe, which of course leads to less popularity and less activity in storytime threads, great comic through, Springer especially was pretty fun in his first appearance.
>>146730591>>146730596Thundercracker keeps being the one honorable Con.
>>146730617>Dadimus Prime will never not be proud of youAaaw. Cute.
>>146730683jej
>>146730687>Optimus is right there>but fuck that, Decepticon civil war time!I only hope Trailbreaker isn't immediately dead.
>>146730609Warpath! He survived!
>>146730583Finally. Tbank you OP. And no, we love this shit. I been here for every one of these.
>>146731057>>146731099i missed that jokei just woke up
>>146730583Been waiting for this actually. I'll be here as long as you're posting OP.>>146730677Trailbreaker is often so poorly utilized I really hope they're not choosing to blow him up before he has the chance to do anything. I'd be interested to see the writers address his character background, given the current energy crisis the team is already going through.
>>146730583OP, it's because Void Rivals simply isn't as popular as Transformers. Still should be storytimed when it pops up with a new issue, but they may require some actual bumps and shit to keep the thread alive long enough for people to see. Actual TF threads tend to go the distance.
>>146730737>I thought when Megs got free that meant year 2 would be about him assuming controlWell, you can interpret Optimus' violent outburst at the tank as whatever bit of Megatron's self existing in his arm wearing away at Optimus Prime.
It's woke. I hate wokeshit
>>146731343how
>>146731343
>>146730674>>146730677Are you fucking with me? The Autobots can't catch a break.
>>146731360I hope Pvt. Hugh Mann survived Astrotrain fucking ramming into shit like a battering ram.
>>146730659>Frenzy got the shit kicked out of him by Optimus so hard he died instantly>but Soundwave only cares about his kittyDWJ confirmed for disease brained cat lover
>>146731360Actually, I'd say the arrival of Starscream's brigade is them catching a break, since they otherwise would've been ambushed by Soundwave with Devastator while their numbers were split. Now it's a three-way fight where Starscream's priority seems to be the other Decepticons, and he's even got a combiner to occupy theirs. Here's hoping Trailbreaker gets an 'I used my forcefield at the last second' reveal next issue though.>>146731343Nigger, this isn't IDW. What are you on about?
>>146731360Welcome to Transformers comics. Or comics in general. Nobody's allowed to have happiness.
>>146730794But I don't want GI Joe in my Transformers.
>>146731587Too bad, that's what you're getting.
>>146730604Why is Cliffjumper's insignia so big now? It didn't cover the entire roof in other issues.
>>146730655>Revolver Ocelot
>>146730687Thundercracker's face lmao.>Not this shit again
>>146730655Its funny how his eyes are not red, but PINK. The pink eyes of violence.
>>146731879They'll probably have him defect and learn that the Decepticons were the ones that stuck Skywarp on Teletraan or he'll learn about it first and then defect. Either way it was shown that he's not keen on torturing humans as early as issue 8 so I don't know how much more they're gonna write him stomaching this stuff.
>>146731853>Optimus was only pretending to be retarded
>>146730687>>146730692>brawl got new legs>starscream still on the tank???
>>146732050Page literally says Screamer focused on Brawl rather than himself, probably because Starscream figures that getting a combiner up and running increases his chances of beating Soundwave who has Devastator.
>>146730649What are those visions?
>>146732094If I had to guess, Megatron's influence corrupting the Sparky memory glimpses that Prime gets.
>>146730905>>146730794Speaking of Void Rivals, is this a reference or something? Headmasters?
>>146730583I never know what weeks it comes out because Skybound is a fucking disaster area when it comes to releases, but I'm enjoying it
>>146732170Not sure. They did say both sides have cybertronians elements.
>>146732170I said from the beginning, the main dudes name is DarakThey're definitely all "-masters"
>>146732170>>146732212Handmasters
>>146732227I was thinking all of them to be honestHeadmastersPowermastersTargetmasters
>>146732229In before Kirkman reveal the Argonians and Zertonians used to be called "Nebulans".
>>146732240I thought that was known already?I said that when the first comic came outThe gems on the forehead and skin colour make it pretty obvious
>>146732254If that's the case, then its pretty ballsy ngl. Starting the energon universe with the Nebulans, especially when they are obscure from a normie perspective.
>>146732229We need even more masters.Legmasters
>>146732227>>146732229>>146732331>forgetting the most powerful one of them all
>>146731343The DEI Diaclone
>>146730583>Does /co/ just not give a shit about this franchise anymore?Well, how do you get into TF then? I have vague memories of watching Armada as a kid, the comics seem long and confusing, and the 80's cartoons look hard to watch
>>146732360>and the 80's cartoons look hard to watchOnly if you've lost the ability to just take things like kids shows at face value.
>>146730737i think Megatron is coming back sooner than you realize if what Laserbeak's mission and the next issues cover are anything to go by.
>>146730683>Starscream zooming through in his mobility scootertop kek
>>146732406The best part is he still has to do it via remote. Just look in his hand.
>>146732415Beautiful.
>>146732406piss tank
>>146730583>Idk why I'm even posting this, last thread got no traction at all. Does /co/ just not give a shit about this franchise anymore?almost like waiting 24 hours after release to storytime it will cause people to lose interest
>>146730583I appreciate it OPthanks
>>146733011>9:30 wednesday is 24 hours later
>>146732229Don't forget Brainmasters!
>>146730583next issues>Releases Jan 8th, 2025Transformers #16Autobots vs Decepticons vs *SPOILER*!>Releases Feb 12th, 2025Transformers #17As the titanic clash from last issue rages on, a covert group of Autobots continues their search for the ally who could turn the tide on Earth — ULTRA MAGNUS! Featuring the debut of an ALL-NEW character! Transformers #15 Cover C 1:10 Karl Kerschl Connecting VariantTransformers #15 Cover D 1:25 E.J. Su VariantTransformers #15 Cover E 1:50 Oliver Ono VariantTransformers #15 Cover F 1:100 Dustin Nguyen Foil VariantTransformers #15 616 Comics Tiago Da Silva Left Connecting Virgin VariantTransformers #15 616 Comics Tiago Da Silva Right Connecting Virgin VariantTransformers #16 Cover B Jorge Corona VariantTransformers #16 Cover C 1:10 Karl Kerschl Connecting VariantTransformers #16 Cover D 1:25 Manabu Yashiro VariantTransformers #16 Cover E 1:50 Homare Spoiler VariantTransformers #16 616 Comics Tiago Da Silva Connecting Virgin VariantTransformers #16 616 Comics Tiago Da Silva Connecting Virgin VariantTransformers #17 Cover B Jorge Corona VariantTransformers #17 Cover C 1:10 Karl Kerschl Connecting VariantTransformers #17 Cover D 1:25 Jay Anacleto VariantTransformers #17 Cover E 1:50 Homare Variant
>>146730655>LIQUID PRIME
>>146732360
>>146730677I’m guessing the split second he was activated, Trailbreaker’s force field went up.He’ll show up next issue.
>>146732240nah, they're Hydrusians
>>146732229Assmasters
>>146732360>the comics seem long and confusingSkybound is barely out of the gate at 15 issues, and most of them action so it's a very swift read. The guide should probably be updated there, since the Marvel comics are shit, IDW was better but is incredibly long, but Skybound is very entry friendly right now.
>>146733262It's because it was Void Rivals, anon. Not as many people give a shit because funny enough, Transformers fans want Transformers. It doesn't mean you shouldn't post it, it just means you won't get as much engagement unless you bundle it with the latest TF issue, or GI Joe, or just accept a VR thread isn't going to be as popular as either of those.
>>146733943considering there's a cover with Trailbreaker using his force field with rockets are a bombing....i think he'll be a-okay.
>>146730639X-Menning
>>146732229Crotchmasters
>>146732229Stairmasters
>>146734225>Transformers fans want TransformersSo why aren't they reading Void Rivals then?
>there's literally just three, maybe 4, autobots left to fight against over a dozen decepticonsdamn theyre fucked. they shouldnt have killed off ratchet desu.
>>146734660Because those aren't about Transformers. They're about some boring ass humans-with-gems-in-their-forehead.
>>146735019Skuxxoid. The Quintessons, Springer and FUCKING HOT ROD are all main or supporting characters. Its getting really deep into TF lore as well.
>>146735111Great, now what TF fan who dismissed it a half a year ago because it was nothing is going to notice that?
>>146734976Trailbreaker's back, they're gonna strategise their way out of it
>>146735111Why aren't they in the main series? Who wants to buy an unrelated book just for cameos?
>>146735111>Holy crapThey poop?!
>>146735330Kirkman's favourite character is Hot Rod.
>>146735438So then why is he in some side book that no one reads?
>>146735458Would you want your favorite transformer to constantly play second-fiddle to Optimus Prime?
>>146735473My favorite Transformers last comic appearance was in like, 2006 or so anon. If I had a choice, playing second fiddle would be a fucking dream.
>>146735509Wait, sorry, 2005. And before that was 1987.
>>146735458>So then why is he in some side book that no one reads?Because he's the one writing Void Rivals?
>>146735509Fair enough, personally though, I like the approach of letting Hot Rod do his own thing for the time being a lot more, if they develop on his escapades further it might serve as nice build-up for when he finally becomes Rodimus
>>146735554So what you're saying is instead of putting him in the main comic where he would have relevance and exposure, he instead decided to shove him into a side book no one reads because....Because he's selfishly retarded?
>>146735251WITH HIS FORCE FIELD!!!!!!!
>>146736014considering Jetfire and Shockwave first appeared in Void Rivals before jumping into Transformers, Hot Rod will probably make the jump at some point.
>>146735458>Side bookBrother, its the book who started the universe. Jetfire being in issue 1 was a massive twist, and him being awakened by Darak basically set into motion Transformers and G.I Joe.
>>146735542>>146735509>1987>2005Grotusque?
>>146736030HE'S GONNA STRATEGISE THE SHIT OUTTA YOUSE WITH THAT THANG
>>146736181>Brother, its the book who started the universe.No one is buying Transformers because of VR.The universe isn't named the Energon Universe because of VR.VR isn't breaking sales records or hanging with Batman and Spiderman in sales.I'm sorry you like the series no one cares about, and it will probably be the first one cancelled, but really, people care about the TF book more than the others by miles.
>>146736371Close. Repugnus.
>>146736732>and it will probably be the first one cancelledNot with Kirkman writing.
>>146736766If it ain't selling, it's getting canned. Shut up, Boco.
>>146736799Why would the owner of the company cancel his own dream project?
>>146736732>it will probably be the first one cancelled>>146736766>Not with Kirkman writing.This.Kirkman will burn the entire franchise down out of spite before letting the side book fall.Playing with these toys is the pinnacle of an entire career making best selling comics and he'll spend every dime of all that AMC and Amazon money to do it.Anyway, Void Rivals ain't bad, but Energon Universe is a TRANSFORMERS universe. Everything else, including the flagship title, is a side book. Fuck G.I. Joe.
>>146736983For a "dream project", I wonder how he feels being stuck with writing about fucking Skuxxoid while DWJ gets the characters people actually care about.
>>146731575>Here's hoping Trailbreaker gets an 'I used my forcefield at the last second' reveal next issue though.
>>146735577Has any media come back to Hot Rod becoming Rodimus? Idk if it happened in IDW, and most shows either don't get to Optimus' succesor or give the role to someone else (Cheetor and Bee).
>>146737314He became Rodimus in IDW1, yes. He was also already Rodimus in Animated.
>>146730609Ka-BLAM!
>>146737018He's waited all his life to write about Skuxxoid, did you not read Invincible??
>>146737376Yeah but in the Animated continuity him being a Prime isn't exactly a big deal since the title is a military rank, not commander of the Autobots. Much less since there's not a passing of the torch by Optimus.
>>146737868That and technically they never call him that, because "the toyline had too many Primes already".
>>146730664>>146730669Jesus, he survived even less time than he lasted in IDW. This really should have just been a generic OC.
>>146737962No one liked squidheads.
>>146737980>not wanting to see Ramjet ram some jets
>>146730591>TacomaProbably a bad place to put the museum of glass.
>>146738100And right next to the Ford Pinto Museum!
>>146730669>Not the spark energon. That's a bit robosexual>It's just not for us...>Not that there is anything wrong with that!>No!>Of course not!>WE DRINK THE BLUE JUICE OR WE DIE YOU LUGNUTS!
>>146737962is that ramjet? he's purple so i figured it was a conehead recolor.
>>146738420>is that ramjet?Well, it was. Actually he's still making noise as they harvest his energon, he could still pull through. Warpath did and I thought that guy exploded.
>>146738420>>146738651He's purple and white. It could be Ramjet, but only if they fucked up his colors like they fucked up Astrotrain last issue by making him blue.
>>146738651I still have hope for Ratchet now.
>>146735353They used to call it slag but the Bongs said they didn't have a loiscence to do that
>>146732170>HandroidMan, that one was painful.
Hey, what happened to Starscream's pet kitty?>Probably was left in care of the artist guy or whataver
>>146738945Probably left on that chunk of Cybertron that they were all on.
>>146730683GUNTANK WOOOOOOOOOO
>>146739032>builds a tank>puts a glass canopy over the driver>no turret
>>146739155Used to be that was just the gunner's seat, and there as a cockpit for a driver in the chest.
>>146730617Imagine being hugged by Optimus...
>>146730596The comic want us to sympathize with the Decepticons and they did....1st Starscream's origins and now Thundercracker
>>146739155Destro's a little autistic, anon.
>>146737018>hating on skuxxoidKys
>>146732283I mean, this is a pretty good way to unify the disparate and often haphazard elements of the original series into a more cohesive canon
>>146730609>kup is dead no... my goat..........
I’ve never really read many comics, let alone a transformers one, should I read this? Is it good?
>>146741044Yes.
>>146741044Yes. It's very easy to get into. Just start at issue 1 and read.
>>146739429
>>146739032Can anyone explain the guntank to me? It just seems like it's trying to bring the two advantages of a MS and a tank but it seems to backfire since it now has less space mobility and shit than the MS and is now a way bigger target.
>>146741439Guntanks predate the bipedal federation mobile suits. They were mostly used by the EFSF within colonies, not floating out in space.
>>146730669Did she just call Optimus a pussy?
>>146741446Interesting, so basically they're a souped up tank that could potentially clear out rubble with it's arms?
>>146741632Basically. Also the way they can angle their arms/guns allow them to aim at one side of a colony to the other directly instead of at an angle.
>>146741641Huh, well that makes them make more sense i guess.
>>146740691>t. SkuxxoidI have had enough with Decepticons shitposting, no need to add more aliens here.
>>146741434lol
>>14673233899% of this thread is too young to know what this is.
>Regrets killing Warpath because he really liked him.>Turns out he's fine>But Kup's deadMan.
>>146730583Sorry OP, I was away. I always read your storytimes but sometimes I don't catch them on time, I am really bad with regular schedules. I only know when TF is out since I see crops appearing on twatter while following TF artists.
>>146743956OP whines the Void Rivals threads die right away, meanwhile this thread is like 3 days old now and still going. People keep saying very few read VR, and you need no more proof than this. Also before you anons get pissy, I like VR. And read the story times when I catch them, but those threads do require a lot of artificial bumps to last beyond a few hours.It might be best to re-post VR and Joe stuff whenever a new TF thread hits just so people who have missed them can catch up.
>>146730737I think it lacks a proper story frame and progress. A lot of things happen but nothing really changes- The individual issues are fun to read but plotwise it feels like an unending back and forth narrative with one faction gaining a new member, retorting back, other faction getting a new addition, attacking, one character dying, another fight, someone returning, fight, new guy dying, other guy joining, fight etc.The fights are top tier. But it feels like every second issue was the showdown and after a while I cannot even tell them apart anymore and the next build-up leaves me unimpressed no matter how cool it is, since I know it will just be the next big battle that feels like the climax but will actually followed up by the same stuff again.
>>146744000So what you're saying is...It sounds like two sides, locked in a war?
>>146743990Same, I enjoy VR as well but I honestly doubt it's making the numbers it allegedly does. Maybe the first issues sold that well since it was the beginning of that hyped new universe, but I would be baffled if it was still selling well. I am interested in it, but it's not the type of series that attracts a big crowd and the lack of online engagement is speaking volumes.
You guys see the leaked footage for Reactivate?
>>146744849yeah, Robbie Daymond didn't sound half bad as Bumblebee. wonder if that game will ever actually release at this rate.
>>146744930If its another dull live service game it can stay dead.
>Announce a Transformers game>Does show the robots.Prime brain move there.
>>146743990No, I whined about Energon Universe threads dying. They are all the same to me. Void Rivals, GI Joe, and Transformers don't live in a vacuum, they are all connected telling one on-going story through multiple titles. Like someone else pointed out, MASSIVE Transformers and GI Joe lore is playing out in Void Rivals. I don't know how anyone is following along without reading them all, frankly. If Void Rivals can do all this stuff with Hot Rod and Primus and die every time does that really mean that Transformers is doing well? I don't think so.>>146744177Multiple people ITT have said that they had no idea Void Rivals even had Transformers stuff in it, that tells me that Transformers fans are locked in a bubble to the point where they don't even know where to find Transformers.
>>146745186Oh, I know Void rivals has TF stuff. I don't care.Hot Rod and Springer. Woo.
>>146745186>that tells me that Transformers fans are locked in a bubble to the point where they don't even know where to find Transformers.To be fair, I like VR but a story should be read for its own sake and I am saying this as TF fan. The relation with TF was the reason I have heard of VR and picked it up, but I don't need the TF content and it should honestly not rely on it. It's nice as little extra but by now people only read it for the obligatory robot cameo and I am not sure what to think about it. That said, people nowadays are still bad at finding things regardless, but I blame social media for that.
>Powermasters>Headmasters>Micromasters>Targetmasters>BrainmastersWhat do they masters?
>Kissmasters
>>146743697Shockwave though, fuck Shockwavethat was a death worth getting out of the way early
>>146745186>They are all the same to me.Thats a problem, then, because they're not the same. They live in the same universe sure, but no one is reading GI Joe for TF's, and no one is reading VR for GI Joe. TF readers are reading TF for TF, they might not even care what happens in the other books because they're not the TF book.In the same way you wouldn't read Spider-Man to catch up on Black Panther.
>>146745844>no one is reading GI Joe for TF's, and no one is reading VR for GI JoeI am. I am reading them all because they are all interconnected. This isn't like Marvel where a cameo happens and its meaningless outside of Thor flying by Spider-Man being in both books. What happens in Cobra Commander was followed up in both Transformers and Void Rivals. You have to read them all to get the full story. That's why I said they're all the same to me.
>>146745837He'll be back.
>>146745883And you represent a small minority, get it?
>>146745883And it doesn't matter, because a TF fan will read TF and nothing else. If anything, they'll complain they need to read other books because anything TF centered should be in the TF book.
>>146730583This is excellent Anon, thanks for posting it. To be frank this is the first Transformers comic I've ever read.
>>146730649They can be hurt by human weapons?
>>146745890I don't think so
>>146746554Thats how they explain his cold emotionless voice: brain damage.
>>146730583>Does /co/ just not give a shit about this franchise anymore?imma keep it real with ya chief, I'm not reading Void Rivals or GI Joe
>>146746572>>146746554he's got form, it seems more like a callback
>>146746729plus, you know
>>146730838>Energon Universe is pretty much completely irrelevant compared to the main TF comicWhat's the main demographic for this comic? TF has tons of fans in every age bracket but I don't think that's true for GI Joe
>>146746812Hasbro is just desperate to make people like GI Joe again.
>>146746812Hasbro really, REALLY wants GI Joe to be relevant again, despiste people nowadays is sick of MURICA FUCK YEAH and militaristic attitude
>>146745883Marvel did things where a character would show up, get halfway through a story, and then conclude in the other's book all the time.
>>146746900>>146747152>Transformers' fate as a film franchise is riding on a GI Joe crossover
>>146746900then they should update the IP, it's embarrassing>>146730838It does tie together quite nicely when you're reading them back to back, but it's all disjointed because the minis were crossing over with each other months or a year apart between relevant issues, like the Duke mini has Starscream slap-killing a pilot and then explicitly six months go by before Duke starts getting anywhere tracking down Transformers (and even more time goes by before he learns anything about Destro). But the Destro mini starts even later after that - he has his android army and his alliance with Cobra that doesn't happen until the end of the Cobra Commander mini; Scarlett I think takes place around the same time because don't the androids show up in that too?, but then GI Joe starts even latermeanwhile the Transformers series is running on a few days or weeks at most from the point at which Starscream is seen by Duke, which happens in #2, so all of that GI Joe/Cobra stuff hasn't happened yet (and the guy in these threads who kept asking if Darklonia was going to tie in to MASK might get his wish after all, even though the old leader there is dead)but Void Rivals takes place an unknown time in the past; Starscream thinks the war has been going 100 years when Jetfire wakes him, Jetfire says on the same page that he hasn't seen Starscream in centuries, both of them were out of action for a long time (Jetfire on the asteroid in Void Rivals, where he says he's been on the asteroid for millions of years though from his perspective, not having seen Starscream for centuries is probably accurate)the best you can really argue is that whatever's going on in Void Rivals is probably done (ie Hot Rod or Springer might show up) by the time Transformers is happening, and whatever's currently happening there is established continuity by the time GI Joe starts, they just don't mention the recent near-collision with planet robot because spoilers
>>146747152the irony is because GI Joe never really used Russia as the big bad or source of it, they're not stuck with a load of unbelievable characters like Omega Red or the Winter Guard or whoever, like at this point a Somali warlord with an army of super soldiers bought with narco money would be more believableGI Joe does do that side of things - warlords, inter-bad-guy rivalries, factionalism - really well and always has, but it's not a strength that you can put in a trailer to get people to watch a movie or tv show, you've got to have villains and unfortunately GI Joe's visuals and concepts never got updated after Larry Hama left
>>146747620Hama never left, he's still writing the comic.
>>146746432Depending on continuity/writer, yes. Usually antitank weapons have traditionally worked on Transformers.
>>146747620It's funny, because Russia is once again the big bad, and now it's acceptable to show them as bumbling, violent retards instead of classy Bond villains, after the mask came off and showed Putin isn't a mastermind, just a moron surrounded by morons leading an army of brainless meat waves. The entire illusion is gone, and you could make a great goon army out of this.
>>146730591>>146730596I don't know much about Thundercracker. Is he just a blue Starscream with a heart here or is that his usual character in other media?
>>146748479His original bio said he had doubts about the Decepticon cause but still does it anywaysComics and shows didn't really do anything with itClosest that came it was him reforming in the end of Cybertron (only to be dragged into the few remaining Decepticons against his own will)Then IDW1 came along and actually did something with that character detailHe went full native concerning Earth and its own culture, even got himself a pet dog, government job, and aspiring career in script writing
>>146748479it stems from his original bio that made him out to be a reluctant warrior. In IDW his characeterization was much the same and in the Cybertron finale he was fine with retiring from the cons and had to be press ganged to join again.
>>146748544>>146748562Well, he's only reluctant to hurt innocent species that get caught in the crossfire. He has no problem scrapping Autobots.
>>146747865jeez what'd he run out of hama juice or something
>>146744025Unironically yes. The single issues and the fights are fantastic, but the overall plot seems to lack direction. Real wars are like that, there is a battle here, a battle there, big showdowns and each side winning, losing people or retreating depending on the fight. There is a reason for why war movies don't show the war as a whole and stick to individuals and their limited experience instead. WWII movies either star some specific soldier in a specific battle, a civil victim or one of the perpetrators that didn't participate personally in the battles, like Hitler or something and instead of being a movie about war itself it's about the effects of it or the politics that cause it.The subplots about Starscream and Optimus are great but they seem to be the only things that develop so far.
>>146748205Idw must have wanked them really hard compared to this universe. >>146747490Transformers are just cooler as a concept and reinvents itself every couple years for new fans. GI Joe didn't really do that at least not anywhere near the same level so people under 40 don't really have much attachment to it and or just see it as some shitty 80s cartoon.
>>146748302>Putin isn't a mastermind, just a moron surrounded by morons leading an army of brainless meat waves. The entire illusion is gone, and you could make a great goon army out of this.Russia in its entirety is fighting a proxy war against the rest of europe and winning, granted they made very big blunders along the way
>>146750280lolnowhat Russia is doing is committing suicide, you better start learning Korean bro, you're gonna be one if you live east of Moscow five years from now
>>146750280>economy is destroyed and has to keep defenestrating billionaires to pilfer funds>their future is gone, they've doomed their country through wasting meat in a grinder, their population is GONE for the projected future unless they made every woman in the country suddenly fart out 30 children in the next year, every day>one retard even made a play on Moscow and almost made itMeanwhile all that's happened in the US is Trump got elected. He's going to fuck up policy for the next 10+ years, but he also isn't going to destroy our demographics and birth rates.
>>146750568>birth ratePft, who cares. Filthy breeders.
>>146750280>Russia in its entirety is fighting a proxy war against the rest of europe and winningRussia did so badly they had to start importing soldiers from North Korea to turn the tide. They might be 'winning' but its a pyrrhic victory at best.
>>146750280Putin is a retard but I always liked Russians. Slavs in general are usually the easiest people to get along with if you are cool. Most of my own people either lack a backbone and try to please everybody or they're permanently pissed at everybody and will show you (unless they are older than 80, those are cool again).
>>146750677russians are some of the most cucked people on earth, hiding behind a tough reputation
>>146750784I am talking about Russian individuals that live in my country, not "the official Russians" in Russia. If I would define people by their representation in media and their politics then US Americans would be the dumbest people on Earth.
transformers???
>>146750669NTA but they're not the ones that brought down the conscript age to 18-16Anyway to steer this out of /pol/shit, i think what fucked GI Joe the most is the sequel to the 80's cartoon, it was too tryhardy for it's own good
>>146730596Couldn't they just park Cybertron next to a star and draw solar and thermal power seemingly forever?
>>146751187>NTA but they're not the ones that brought down the conscript age to 18-16Russia also changed their conscription laws, extending them to over 30s. Russian conscription laws were also already from 18 years old.GI Joe can't work the way it was intended to anymore because we're outside its moment of cultural relevance. The only people in the US who still engage in the kind of military worship GI Joe hinges on are generally older and have more relevant media to latch onto, and the average comic reader isn't usually part of that cultural demographic. Cheerleading the US military just isn't attractive to the kind of guy who buys comics anymore. The reason Captain America is still popular is because he might be a soldier, but he's not part of the modern US war machine.
>>146743990Seconding this. I really appreciated the Energon Universe catch-up, but missed the single issue storytimes since then save a few. Keeping VR and Joe also in the TF thread that lasts longer would be a great boon to slowfags such as myself.
You know what vibe I'm getting? That Megatron will arrive to stop this slaughter, and command a cease fire until both sides are repaired. Mutually assured stability until the outcome can be decided. Megatron will whip the Decepticons into shape, Optimus will begrudgingly agree to revive his forces, and both will take the down time to acclimate to Earth
>>146751367>The only people in the US who still engage in the kind of military worship GI Joe hinges on are generally older and have more relevant media to latch onto, and the average comic reader isn't usually part of that cultural demographic. Cheerleading the US military just isn't attractive to the kind of guy who buys comics anymore. The reason Captain America is still popular is because he might be a soldier, but he's not part of the modern US war machine.When Call of Duty was the biggest game ever, Joe was struggling. And you know for a fact it was kids playing that game too. People always thing GI Joe isn't selling because it's jingoistic- it's the opposite. It's not military enough. It just comes off as lame and toothless to a generation of kids raided off CoD, and now it's too daed for fortnite kids.
>>146751464Megatron will come in, probably whip Starscream's ass or kill him, the others will fall in line, and then GI Joe will arrive heroically on scene to carpet bomb the Autobots.Decepticons will flee, Optimus will die in the mess.
>>146751611No, it's mostly because the IP never tried to expand, TFs had beast wars and beast machines after the failure that was G2. what the fuck GI Joe had?
>>146751464That would be the most logical narrative descision and best for the series but I'll reserve my expectations
>>146751464Alternatively, Megs will show up, see that Prime stuck his arm on, and just tell his Decepticons to "peacefully withdraw" because he can take over Prime with that arm over time.
>>146751681GI Joe's relaunched basically every time Transformers has, with the exception of BM.The 90's had the ninja/neon and Sgt Savage stuff, and then GI Joe eXtreme alongside BW. The ninja/neon stuff did well, better than TFs, but eXtreme bombed and the line went dormant until the 2000s CGI movies. that lead to the Sigma 6 anime, which underperformed. After that they relaunched the retro, 3.34 line witht he original designs, an Hasbro's locked sights on that market since.The biggest issue is that Joe fans are VERY vocal about disliking stuff outside the early 80's, and that design team listens to them because they're consistent buyers. But it never adds new buyers. Some of the riskier choices they did that 80's Joe fans hated did well, because kids liked them. But for whatever reason, the Joe team always kowtows to 80's fans. And the irony is, the 80's toyline itself was a reboot, the second reboot Joe had!
>>146751794I forget, which TF ran when Renegades came out? Was that Prime era or RiD?
>>146751816in prime
>>146751816>>146751829Prime indeed, and it really got screwed over by Hasbro's "We're a media company!" concept that Prime also got hit by, where they were only going to do a few figures instead of a whole line. Prime ended up getting a full line because they needed one, Renegades was relegated to a few int he existing gI Joe line.
i liked renegades when i saw it as a kid
>>146751750>>146751464Megatron breaking out of Cobra-La only happens at the end of the Cobra Commander mini, which is months from the "now" in Transformers because Duke's encounter with Starscream is in the past - and Duke explicitly has a six-month break minimum between seeing Starscream (in Transformers #2) and formally becoming part of GI Joeon the other hand Jetfire came to Earth and woke everybody up but the Cobra spaceship that left after Megatron escaped is showing up in Void Rivals now, so who the fuck knowstime means nothing to these people
>>146745220Sexmasters
>>146746729>Back then, the robots' spirit were in chips instead of sparksIts funny how different Transformers were back then.
>>146737313I hate covers that spoil.
>>146746554Death isn't the end of a character in comics.Thanks, DC.
>>146754378>spiritCentral processor maybe.
>>146754521The OS.
>>146751464>both will take the down timeI hope you are right but I believe that the creator thinks that everything that isn't action was boring so I have zero hope for this storywise. The action is great, but a longer story cannot live from that alone like some blockbuster shlog.
>Ramjet dies yet againlmao, was that part of his "brilliant plan"?
>>146749943Yeah it manages to nail down that sense of never ending stalemate that goes on for millions of years, only issue is that that doesn't really translate to good sales because conceptually it's be fucking boring to read the same thing happening for millions of years. The stalemate will have to be broken soon one way or another and shit will have to start snowballing out of control.
TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on HARDTOPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrjRGT97_RU
