If they weren't going to do anything with the Faunus besides a botched fantasy racism plotline cribbed from X-Men, then why did they even bother including them?
Excuse to have a catgirl because the show was nothing but basic anime tropes slapped together
>Sun got dropped like a hot potato>Adam was turned into a cross between Red Skull and an incel mass shooter>Sienna only showed up to get ganked>Blake's "Shitty Kitty" nickname speaks for itselfWere there ANY Faunus characters who were handled well?
Ate faunus Luv velvet Simple as
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To be fair, the Faunus were hardly the only aspect of RWBY to be disappointing.
>>146735547What went wrong with Cinder?
>>146735547To say RWBY has issues would be an understatement. It has an entire subscription.
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>>146735689Honestly, part of me thinks Monty was a victim of the Peter principle; great at action scenes, but out of his depth as a showrunner for something like RWBY. It's just that he happened to die before the show took its downward spiral. Now he's posthumously become some kind of Rorschach test where people project their own ideas and preferences for RWBY onto his memory.
To this day, I have no idea why they didn't do more with Sienna Khan.
>>146735689>picrelWhy didn't Monty just make a new character?Like Sun is already an established character, and then Monty gets another one of his stupid whims to have a "boy band" team, so why doesnt he just make entirely new characters, why messily retcon Sun into this new conceptCant be that hard to make new models or hire voice actors
>>146735427ENTER
Do you agree with the criticism that Faunus attributes don't come into play enough?
She was wasted.
I'm not sure about fixing the Faunus as a whole, but I have some ideas for fixing Adam, Blake, Sienna and the White Fang. Would you like to hear them?
>>146737975Sure, why not?
>>146735051Monty just wanted to add a cat girl to the team but Miles and Kerry came out with the faunus race
>>146738810Okay, here goes nothing.To start off, I'd flesh out the White Fang a bit more. Unlike in canon, they'd be a pretty decentralized group , and I've toyed with the idea of having them be led by a council instead of a single person. With this decentralization comes multiple distinct factions, each with different outlooks and approaches. One of these factions is led by Sienna Khan, which I hope would give her more to do than in canon. This faction would be one of the Fang's more reasonable and idealistic; they'd still be ruthless, but they're working towards a brighter tomorrow and willing to work with humans who are willing to work with them. I'm also thinking we might see more conflict within the Fang between the various factions.One of Sienna's most prominent supporters is Adam, who this time around is the privileged son of a high-status Menagerie family. He's always had anger issues, and a desire to make something useful of his anger coupled with his desire to make a positive difference leads him to fall in with the White Fang. I'm thinking he'd also genuinely enjoy roughing it despite coming from an elite background.Blake, on the other hand, suffered a childhood of deprivation. One thing led to another, and she ended up being helped by the White Fang and joined up with them. While she was part of the group, she fell in love with Adam, and the two began a romance. Their relationship, while perhaps not the healthiest, was a genuinely loving one and free from any abuse or grooming.However, as time went on, Adam became increasingly radicalized. Blake initially brushed off his extremism as mere rhetoric fueled by a combination of anger and protective instincts, but she became increasingly disturbed at the dark path he began going down. This serves as kind of an inversion of the Beauty and the Beast narrative, where instead of getting more glimpses of the prince inside the monster, she got more glimpses of the monster inside the prince.
>>146739317Eventually, after Adam crosses one line too many, Blake leaves him and goes to Beacon, much like what happened in canon. However, she does it far more reluctantly than she does in canon, because she knows for a fact that there's still good in him. She also worries that she might be partly to blame for his slippage into extremism, so she also has guilt from that to deal with. Meanwhile, Adam starts to wonder if he's really doing the right thing. And both of them secretly hope for a reconciliation.Overall, this would be a more sympathetic and morally gray take on Adam, and the possibility of him and Blake getting back together would definitely be on the table. Where things go from here, I'm not sure, aside from a more involved White Fang plot. But I'm thinking that, ultimately, Adam would either die a tragic, redemptive death, or survive and become a full-on good guy. The idea of him being involved when the heroes go to Atlas appeals to me, and I think there are some possibilities there. I might also toss some other ideas around, or change things up a bit.What do you think? Do you have any feedback or ideas to share?
>>146735657That's a good way of putting it.
>>146736269SIMP
>>146740085Simp for Salem? I don't blame him.
>>146735689>Cracked down on Monty for volume 3What? Didn't he die before volume 2 even came out? Iirc he wrote most of two by that point, had some basic outlines for the Fall of Beacon and Pyrrha's death for volume 3, and that was it.
>>146735427bnuuy
>>146740389She's adorable
>>146735547She was always boring and bland
>>146735578>What went wrong with Cinder?As with all things they came up with an archetype but didn't think up a reason for that archetype to exist in universe. So she ends up doing a bunch of stupid shit for no reason until they remembered to give her a motivation years later that now has to agree with everything she did and will do. Which made her character a disjointed mess that that's following a equally disjointed plot
>>146739317I'm not super into Adam coming from privilege. The problem with Adam's character is that he called to attention one of the biggest failings of the Faunus plot lines. Which is that they tell us Faunus racism exists but they never show it. We never once see the Faunus mines where literal slavery is happening that everyone knows about but doesn't address because it doesn't affect them. Adam has a literal brand on his face that no one talks about. Not even Weiss, who's stated goal is removing the stain of dishonor from her family name. Who's paying Jacques all this blood money to keep him so rich even though everyone knows what he's doing. Instead, rather than actually talk about the Faunus racism, instead they make Adam's motivation to be a jilted, abusive boyfriend. A genuine psycho who never cared about the Faunus and took over a terrorist organization to impress or torment a teenager. And then they put the microscope on the Faunus while not focusing on Jacques at all. So yeah the problem with Adam was how he was used, not so much his backstory.
>>146741021What's funny is that she was meant to be hated, but a lot of people hated her for reasons they weren't supposed to.
>>146736269The thumbnail makes it look like he has a really long neck
>>146735051Nobody was willing to tell Monty no because they liked that he produced work well beyond what he was being paid. If he wants to just make sure up while working 100s of unpaid hours of overtime why should they stop him?
Could Bumbleby have worked or was it doomed from the start?
>>146735051I'm certain that the thought process didn't go further than Monty saying "I want catgirls in my anime"
>>146735427I find it hilarious that they made Blake a bona fide princess which first made her interactions with Weiss HILARIOUS in retrospect, second made her into the "spoiled rich kid rebelling" trope, and third makes it super funny that nobody recognized her, since, again, she's the daughter of the more or less leader of the 5th must powerful polity on the planet and didn't bother to change her name
>>146743113Bumbleby only exists to take yang from being most people's favorite character to one of the more disliked ones Bumbleby also only exists because insane yuritards were sending bomb threats to RT
>>146743183>Bumbleby also only exists because insane yuritards were sending bomb threats to RTAnd I thought Reylo shippers could get deranged...
>>146743214RT made the cardinal mistake of listening to and pandering to Tumblr The Tumblr rwby fans were always insane. Back when season 2 was in pre production they revealed emeralds design, and the Tumblr fandom were trying to decide who her hair looked like. Someone dared to compare her hair to a white woman which triggered a 72 hour long meltdown
>>146743170Wasn't it a pretty major retcon too? IIRC, the earlier seasons implied that she came from a poor background.
>>146743261She's literally one of those rich kids that larps as poor to RESIST You'd think she grew up in a SDC mine and not in the lap of luxury in a tropical paradise
>>146743338Blake said to Ozpin that she learned to fight in the streets. Blake being a princess was a retcon
>>146735547Watts laying a verbal smackdown on her was satisfying,it's like the show has some self-awareness hickups
>>146743245Yeah, they really shot themselves in the foot financially by trying to pander to a fringe group at the expense of the majority.
>>146735051You are vastly underestimating the allure of pretentious moralizing. It doesn't matter if fantastic racism is a shell game that can never fully function in a vacuum. It's there to draw attention to a character detail, not to provide thematic resonance.
>>146735051the only way this would be saved if jayne went berserk ate adam’s skull and proceed to aggressively capture and thrust every woman he saw-human and faunas
>>146736269Based.Did not give one solitary his lunacy painting a bad picture of faunus to the world. Because he's a lunatic.
>>146735547>>146741020Yeah. She was all setup but little payoff throughout the the first 3 volumes. Literally Potential-Man.>Acts smug and foreboding >Plan goes to shit because some mentally challenged anime tropes stumble into her operations>"No matter, everything's going according to plan">Repeat from step oneRoman was twice the villain just by being a douchy thief smuggling pixie dust.
>>146744077There wasn't a plan. From RT I mean, Cinder was a victim of that
>>146744077Honestly, it would've felt less like the writers were stacking the deck in her favor if she was shown to be good at adjusting her plans in response to unexpected developments. That would probably make her smugness feel more earned as well.
>>146743394I mean, she could have learned to fight while slumming it up with WF wankers.
>>146743113They unintentionally gave better scenes to Weiss and yang so no
>>146739317>>146739381Sounds like it could be kino.
>>146744386RWBY is full of retcons so I just assume Blake's past was another one
>>146743113Definitely doomed from the end of volume 3. Yang fell for an aloof black haired weeb who ran away and abandoned her in her time of need (and who happens to have a run-away semblance). She literally fell for Raven-lite.Blake fell for another explosive ragetard who's always messing up because she goes aggro on anything that bothers her (and who happens to have a get-hit-get-stronger semblance). She literally fell for Adam-lite.Some might think that this is poetic or something and therefore good, but on the contrary. They should have avoided each other like the plague. Make up as friends, sure, but never entertain the idea of hooking up.
>>146745933Some chick was making a series on the show and made a video where she pointed out this and said she didn't like the ship because of it, and the bumblebee fans crucified her for it. They're still to the death for one of the worst ships in the show Blake should have gone for Sun and Yang should have gone for (me)
>>146746146Ugh... shippers can get crazy.
>>146743183>Bumbleby only exists to take yang from being most people's favorite character to one of the more disliked onesYou reminded me that I kinda used to have a crush on Yang when the series started. She was arguably my favorite character during the first 3 volumes. Nowadays, I just feel comfortable writing stuff for Neopolitan.
Which character do you wish had more to do? For me, it's Sienna. She could have been a very compelling antagonist.
>>146747280Got any links?
>>146748928Coco and team CFVY as a whole. I would have loved to see her interacting with Pyrrha. I haven't read the novels btw
>>146750380Neopolitan: Beyond Ever After. We aren't allowed to share FF net or Ao3 links.
>>146750925Thanks. Maybe I'll check it out.
>>146741054Yeah, they really blew a lot of opportunities with Adam.
Part of me wishes Pyrrha lived longer, but another part is relieved that she got killed off before the show went really downhill. There's every chance that they would've found a way to ruin her if she'd stuck around.
What could be done to make the Faunus a more unique and compelling part of the setting?
Could it have worked out?
>>146743338>She's literally one of those rich kids that larps as poor to RESISTUGH, she's one of those.
>>146754344Just do what isekai does and make them slaves. Way more simpler. Have the Schnees be the head honchos of the slave trade, creating conflict between Blake and Weiss.
>>146755011They didn't even have to make them slaves. In fact I think the current system they have could've made them even more interesting. Because they have just enough rights and freedoms that people who do not give a fuck about their plight can argue that everything is fine and groups like the White Fang have no merit to their existence. At the same time you have groups like the Schnee Dust Company who can put the Faunus in the mines and burn their face and they face no reprisal, in fact he's rewarded for it. This is textbook Industrial Revolution shit. Leo was a Headmaster but that was something Ozpin had to force to happen and he ended up being a coward. Faunus in school are tormented for being Faunus by other students but since it's other students doing it, it's easily dismissed as schoolyard bullying. The lesson on Faunus has the teacher asking students to describe a time they were discriminated against. That's like putting a microphone to the nearest black kid during the civil rights movement and asking them to describe a time they were discriminated against. Point being they still could've did all those things. Blake says she left the WF because their efforts became too violent for her to justify meaning effort still needed to happen just not like this. Conversely Weiss is one of those people who considered the Faunus to be fundamentally garbage because of the WF while ignoring the WF is a response, not the impetus. Ozpin rerolled into a new game and the Faunus were already in cages, there's never been a time in their history where the Faunus were equal. But because RT is incompetent, while they put the microscope on Menagerie, they never put the microscope anywhere else. It's just stupid shit like random hillbillies who just appeared from the aether to fuck with Ghira. They wanted to use the racism as a plot but didn't actually have anything to say about racism. This isn't me saying I think they're secretly racist, I'm saying they're incompetent.
>>146754423Probably because Juane is a self insert character
>>146755006Yes, shitty kitty is quite literally the worst Typical that RT of all companies would make a "rich girl who's a minority but who hasn't felt any hardship because she's rich but still acts oppressed and like she's had a hard life" character and think that makes her heroic
>>146756000Trips of truth. That's part of why I suggested essentially swapping Adam and Blake's backgrounds.
>>146735578Lasted long past expiration date because their nepotism wanted her shitty voice actress around
>>146755279>I'm saying they're incompetent.You're right, which is why making them literal slaves would've been simpler. Hard to fuck up unless you're that shit of a writer.
>>146735547>only discovered about a year ago that her name is a pun on Cinderella, hence her backstoryTo think they had this planned for years infuriates me to no end. How fucking lazy do you have to be to make everything spin back around to being a fairy tale reference?
>>146735051I would have 12 children with Velvet Scarlatina (at minimum).
>that one fanfic where due to time travel shenanigans jaune's firstborn from every possible timeline and pairing shows up >Reveals he has 10 kids minimum with every possible wife
>>146757880I understand Pyrrha but all of them? For what purpose?
>>146758308Arc genes too strong, make women crave large families
>>146735689>>146735833I will say everytime I see this shit that this is some weird ass historic revisionism possibly from WB shills trying to revive the IP. Monty's strong point was just animating weeb fights and he had like two and a half projects on his resume, sure. Shut the fuck up about him not being a good director when season four, the first season he has no hand in, began the trend of "walking and talking and talking in buildings and talking." Not because there weren't fight scenes he animated, but because scenes didn't flow and it was just on the nose exposition at every chance. It's obvious with his psycho work ethic he would spend time in the writing room. What grognards pretend the guy that created the entire show had next to no part in how the script goes.
>>146735051So much of this era will be chalked up to ideological mind viruses taking control of large swathes of the West. Why worry about the minutia when you can just say "An out of touch group of Austin yuppies don't know about how complex race relations works in the early 21st century."
>>146755011>Have the Schnees be the head honchos of the slave trade, creating conflict between Blake and Weiss.There's a lot of stuff that could have played differently between Weiss and Blake/Adam. The issue here is that many of these changes would have meant making a more morally complex storyline. If RWBY is (or was) already struggling a lot to tell its Salem vs Ozma and White Fang storylines, I don't see how they could have pulled off a more complicated one. Somehow they made what should have been simple and straightforward storylines be very divisive among the audience and fandom. I have no idea how one can follow up canon Team RWBY's storyline, in a way that makes sense, after they destroyed Mantle/Atlas and created a mass migration crisis just because Ironwood, Ozma, and the protags couldn't come up with a good plan to defeat Salem in months (centuries in Ozma's case), despite having access to multiple deus ex machinas.
>>146742790This is a little overly cynical because in the before before, RoosterTeeth was grassroots so as one of the department heads Monty was investing in something that could grow for himself and his friends. All that being said, it's obvious RT's office was toxic as fuck. I feel like it was at acceptable levels before the sellout because the sellout caused the company to trend downwards and that's when quotas and layoffs affect people and the vibe dies.
>>146736140Realistically, they would have had developed Adam in the b-plot in like s4 or 5 or whatever and it's him getting more and more fucked up and evil interacting with Sienna ultimately with him becoming a hypocritical slayer of his own race. Like how GoT has Daenerys' plot parallel to the other ones. Kill him off for gay rights or whatever, but it would have been more rewarding and people would bitch wayyyy less than they do now.
>>146758950I mean, Monty was infamous for coming up with a cool fight and leaving everyone else scrambling to put make it fit in the plot. This is most obvious in the volume 1 finale, where none of the main characters were involved in the final fight, instead of the 3 characters, 2 had been introduced the episode prior
>>146759432Maybe RWBY should've been more like Dead Fantasy: heavy on action, very little plot.
>>146754344>make the Faunus a more unique and compelling part of the setting?Obviously, by having their animal features be more defining in the way they live and fight. You would think someone with spider legs or bird wings would be a more famous or competent huntsman than the average human who cannot fly or only has 4 limbs. I guess they never went wild or got creative with Faunus features due to budget issues.
>>146759024>An out of touch group of Austin yuppies don't know about how complex race relations works in the early 21st century.>>146736140>I have no idea why they didn't do more with Sienna Khan.Writing a Hindu character takes more effort than just writing a generic white gringo/murrican. This also applies to the whole world or setting. Atlas was supposed to be Germany but it ended up being just USA. Vale looks European but it's just USA in disguise. Mistral is filled with white weebs pretending to be Asian. Plus, redheads or Greeks. Argus was pretty much San Francisco. Leonardo is supposed to be the Headmaster of the Asian Hunstman Academy, yet he looked like pic-related. And judging by RWBY Beyond clips, they wanted to turn Vacuo into a city that fits more the living style of someone from USA.
>>146761198Even GRRM has better references for places in his setting than these Texans, and he's from the state over!
>>146735547>I just want to see BREDFTFY
>>146735578At first: Everything. She was this mysterious woman behind Roman's crime spree, but crappy dialog coupled with Jessica Nigri's shitty delivery made it impossible to take her seriously, and she came off as kind of a self important dumbass who lucked into power. Volumes 7 and 8 are great because they basically fix Cinder by taking her ability to fail upwards and make it an actual part of her character instead of glossing over early installment jank. I'm looking forward to volume 10 being made one day just to see how she fucks up so bad she winds up with redemption. Because there's absolutely nothing else left in RWBY that can keep everyone's attention.
>>146761710>I'm looking forward to volume 10Earlier this year, if you had asked me which had more chances of happening between RWBY V10 and an Okami sequel... I still would have answered the latter.
>>146762480lmao yeah. I actually feel bad for anybody that actually invested in this soulless corporate slop disguised as indie anime.
>>146762581Well that's just it I intermittently see people who say something to the effect of>rwby is actually good>it just has loud haters>[insert YouTube video here] ruined its reputationI have guilty pleasures too. I like things that, if it weren't for nostalgia or liking the concept or liking the action scenes I would consider them to be absolute slop. I might say why I personally like those shows but I wouldn't call them good shows. But that's not RWBY fans. It's like RWBY fans are watching some sort of hypothetical version of RWBY that only they can see
>>146762704Some people judge things based on potential rather than reality.
>>146763913And that gets even more annoying when they apply that standard selectively.
>>146735689People always missed this part when the cry about how it would be better with monty. Reminder Summer is only dead because he wanted a grave in Ruby's trailer and Maiden didn't exist until volume 3.
>>146743261>>146743338>>146744386>>146745799>>146756000>>146756620this is some of the most retarded logic i have ever seen so you are saying you can only protest of you are poor like people want her kind dead and you say that she cant because she is rich and show me the part anywhere in volume 1 2 or 3 where its said she was poor and had no family did you people think this shit out before you posted it?
>>146766142Yeah, I don't get why this is such a deal breaker for some people.
why watch rwby when you can just read fanfiction that's 1000% the quality of the actual show? Coeur my beloved
>>146765179Tell me about it.
>>146766142Because people like that tend to do it in the most obnoxious ways possible. Like sitting in the streets preventing cars from going through, when the people driving those cars ARE the less fortunate. People got to go to work to support their families, yet this privileged piece of shit living off of their parents' money is blocking their way. Activists are cancer.
>>146735439You mean the crazy lesbian that tried to murder her girl-crush's parents?
>>146771361That's the point of activism. To force people who normally would not to pay attention. That was the reason for the sit ins and starving themselves and etc. The main purpose of activism is that it most knew the horror of what [insert group here] was experiencing they wouldn't let that shit fly so why is it permissible if it's someone else?
>>146759024It's funny, because the mouse is also some kind of they/them for some unGodly reason.
>>146771381>To force people who normally would not to pay attention.And these people who normally do not pay attention, what exactly are they supposed to do when they finally do pay attention?
>>146760793>Maybe RWBY should've been more like Dead Fantasy: heavy on action, very little plot.You can have a 'Rule of Cool' show or you can have a story that attempts a stable and sensible plot. You can't have both.
What was up with that episode where Weiss puts a collar on blake and took her out for walkies?
>>146761198You capitalize White when you type in my language, paco.
>>146771732Bigot Ruby was my favorite thing to come out of the show
>>146771527Ideally force national opinion away from whatever thing the public feels is wrong. Case in point the actual civil rights movement
>>146771527Get upset. The people will always have more power than their government if they're united.
>>146772382>>146772436Wrong. They will pay attention and do nothing else.Then they will forget about it and till you force them to pay attention again and they will, again, do nothing.Because they cannot do anything.Nothing ever happens.
>>146766142Didn't she act like she suffered worse than other Faunus who didn't have the advantages she did?
>>146735070/thread
>>146766142Yes, technically it's not a retcon. But it's obvious that they changed plans when Morty died, it's obvious that they treated her as if she were a poor orphan.
>>146768657because it's boring. It also makes her pathetic, cowardly and a hypocrite.
>>146771732nigga, the Mexicans were the ones who voted for the orange man. The white ones, like cucks, voted for that Indian woman.
Did he serve his purpose well? Could he have been characterized better or used better?
>>146761198Yes, this show is postmodern fantasy.
>>146776273no, yes and yes
>>146776339How would you fix him, then?
>>146771381So you're gonna block traffic and cause people to lose their jobs? Their livelihoods? Are you fucking serious?
>>146776273>Did he serve his purpose well?Fuck noCould he have been characterized better Yesor used better?Absolutely yes
>>146776493>Why were you late? >because there was a massive protest that blocked off 5th street>Oh yeah I did see that on the newsShit nigga i didn't think it was that hard
>>146776271>NiggaI'd post the image showing the 2024 election by race and gender showing you're wrong, but jewgle hides it to let the pot boil slower so roaches like you don't scatter from the light just yet. Ask yourself why you're speaking English, paco.
Which non-faunus cast member would you turn into one?
Personally, I like the idea of Ruby as a wolf.
>>146777897Most latinos voted for Trump though.
Post more racist Ruby. Thats always fun.
I find it hilarious that Volume 9's only real impact was the homophobic Ruby meme and Weiss thirsting over the Rusted Knight.
So... any interesting AU ideas?
>>146780140>RT tried to push a lesbian couple>the things people remember are the straights
>>146778926Nora
I think it would have been better to replace Robyn and the Happy Huntresses with the Atlas branch of the White Fang. Because Atlas is the most likely to crush any armed rebellion, say the Atlas White Fang is more willing to stay (mostly) within the confines of the law and play politics instead of open terrorism, especially after the disasters at Beacon and Haven. So instead of Robyn it would instead be a Faunus candidate that is either a member of the White Fang or is at least strongly supported by them. Make her focused on the Atlas/Mantle divide, trying to unite humans and faunus in Mantle to be able to stand up against Atlas' exploitation, possibly with an independence angle.The team is still wary of the White Fang but also not entirely sure about Ironwood, and are divided on who to trust. It would also make Ironwood's eventual freakout make more sense, when he finds out the people he trusted are leaking information to the White Fang and validating his paranoia over a repeat of Beacon. And it would add another dimension to a lot of other stuff, like trying to frame Atlas/Penny for the campaign rally massacre.It's an idea that needs refinement, but I think there's a lot more meat on those bones than what we got with canon Robyn.
>>146781467Interesting idea
I don't come to RWBY for nuanced writing. I come for the stupid anime bullshit. Which is why I'll never forgive RT for not giving us an Evil Hacked Maiden Penny vs Team RWBY fight.
You could write a book about all the opportunities botched with this franchise.
>>146780902Most women prefer straight relationships, yes. Especially if they're good looking.
The one animal trait rule is retarded and Blake would be a lot better with a fluffy tail.
>>146785716Why did they even implement that rule?
>>146784983How come MKEK wasn't smart enough to realize this?https://files.catbox.moe/joumr7.mp4
>>146787066Apparently it was a technical issue with poser, so they made the rule to cover for it. A bit shortsighted, but hey, that's RWBY for ya.
>>146743113Even in its current state it was still better than KorraSami.
>>146743183>>146743214>>146743245>>146743571>Still blaming tumblr-tards years laterReminder that the call was always coming from inside the house.https://www.youtube.com/live/dleqek092RM?si=IW72299d9sRotYGmFirst 20 seconds.
What they should have done was make every character a Faunus; the White Fang could then just be a mercenary group because why wouldn't such things exist on a death world like Remnant.
It's utter madness that Adam and Weiss never even appeared on screen together.
>>146784871>You could write a book about all the opportunities botched with this franchise.About to complete the third one. And using only Neo.
