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>>146750180
>During the 25 anniversary

>>146750232
Whose anniversary? Clayface's?

>>146751125
9/11

>>146751125
yeah one of his first movies was on that day 25 years ago, cant remember which one it was but he got an oscar and turned up drunk

>>146750180
>random fucking movies
it sure did work for Sony. Gunn is a fucking retard

>>146750180
Is he going to rape Poison Ivy again?

>>146752030
did clay face actually do that

>>146752926
in no mans land he did

>>146753801
Page please.

>>146754171
it happens off screen

>>146750180
Apparently it only has a set 40mil budget so even if it performs like a SUMC movie it won't bomb

>>146753801
he didn’t. he tried to rape her, by ivy’s own admission, but nothing happened

>>146754396
seems kinda low for a movie centered around a special effects driven character

if the movie actually is a more tragic take on clayface i really hope it focuses on matt and doesnt make him a movie star like tas did

>>146750180
Cool

>>146750180
live action?

>>146756256
Yes

>>146754419
No, that's non-reader bullshit. Clayface held her as his literal plaything for several weeks. And Ivy not only behaves in a vulnerable and biolated manner in that story, lashing out violently at her captor and abuser, she undergoes a total character chAnge consistent with rape victims irl.
Ivy was very definitively raped by Clayface.

>>146754520
Rape

>>146750180
>release date
So... will he be a dancing golem?

>>146758397
James Gunn is likely directing (because you don't greenlight movies without directors), so yes.

Which Clayface though

>>146758563
sondra

>>146750180
What a terrible date for a movie, it reminds me of that tragedy

>>146758572
That could be a movie, actually. Sociopath would-be star transformed by weird cult into murder godess to destroy Batman. It has so little definition it could be worked.

>>146758593
yeah... when basil killed those people on set
>>146758607
just make a mudpack movie

>>146751133
I hope Gunn make Warner Bros finally get their shit together or people will say "The worst thing to happen on the 11th of September is another terrible DC movie"

>>146750180
Not sure why I immediately think of the movie Darkman.

>>146759573
darkman is what a sympathetic clayface movie by raimi would be like

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>>146750180
Movie about Shit Golem D-lister.

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>>146750180
>>146750232

>>146759573

We could only WISH it ends up as good as Darkman.

>>146754703
Matt's only thing is ripping off Karlo in BTAS. His Golden age stories are so sparse he's barely a character. Preston has more. tragedy angle, but I doubt they'd use the containment suit, if they do it'd be more basic.

>>146761020
his character being sparse is good because it leads to more creative freedom
that being said i liked him in secret origins it was funny and tragic
i wish they would use preston but clayface is already a mud monster in creature commandos unless thats someone else or preston turns into one at the end

Clayfaces are low key cool and have kino lore. I really don't them fucking it up with a Clayface movie nobody is asking for.

>>146761830
they already fucked it up with tas and the new 52/rebirth

>>146750180
Meh

>>146762786
Yeah, but it's not called 'Clayface' in big lights and million dollar advertisements on every major network, is it?

>>146764517
true... although one good thing that could come out of this is people getting into classic clayface stories since there arent many big clayface comics

>>146750180
A worthy rival to Morbin' Time!

>>146754520
Lol comic books are so pretentious

>>146750180
You know this reminds me of that tragedy

>>146758549
Gunn isn't directing. The guy writing usually writes and directs his films.

>>146754703
They won't use Matt because no one cares about him, the only notable thing he ever did was bring the concept of being a shapeshifting monster into the table, which is admittedly pretty big for Clayface now, but being an actor is arguably just as important, so they'll probably use Basil and give him powers, and considering he won't be too villainous, they'll probably make him a tragic figure somewhat like his Rebirth origin.
>doesnt make him a movie star like tas did
So just make him a generic treasure hunter? Yeah no lol, they're definitely using Karlo.

>>146765865
>They won't use Matt because no one cares about him
flanagan is a fan of tas
>they'll probably make him a tragic figure somewhat like his Rebirth origin
i know that this is probably what will happen but i dislike basil starting as a tragic and sympathetic figure
>So just make him a generic treasure hunter?
he was a petty crook that just got a boat

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>>146750180
>movie still in (pre)pre-production
>announce a release date for it
Why do they keep doing this?

>>146765984
>flanagan is a fan of tas
I mean, who isn't? My point is that even though TAS accidentally created the most iconic version of Clayface AND called him Matt Hagen, all later versions of Clayface that take inspiration from TAS just give powers to Karlo and similarly take advantage of his acting background, completely ignoring that the TAS Clayface was named Matt.
Hell, even in the comics instead of bringing back Hagen, they just gave Karlo his powers, and in New 52/Rebirth, they just gave him powers right away in his origin and made "Matt Hagen" an alias for him.
It's clear that DC just prefers having Basil Karlo as THE Clayface while leaving Matt Hagen and the other Clayfaces in the background, a shapeshifting actor is too good of a concept.
Also also, let's be real, Hollywood fucking loves movies about Hollywood, movies, and/or actors, there's no way in hell they wouldn't use the actor, it makes too much sense.
>i know that this is probably what will happen but i dislike basil starting as a tragic and sympathetic figure
Honestly, I don't hate it because I've never cared for Clayface that much before, so making him more sympathetic has worked for me.
That's why I kinda hate that they made him evil again in the comics, makes me wish they could keep Basil good, and then properly develop Hagen into a more robust character for whenever they wanted an evil mud monster Clayface, they could make him a failed actor that got into crime if they wanted to keep the acting gimmick in the character.
>he was a petty crook that just got a boat
I know, but I also really vaguely remember him being a treasure hunter that then got weird powers from a cave.
Did I just dream the treasure hunter part? Shows how much I care about Hagen I guess.

>>146766224
honestly i dont see why they couldnt just name him matt its not like movies ever cared about what the comics are doing
>so making him more sympathetic has worked for me
i dont have have a problem with basil turning over a new leaf i just dont like his origin being sympathetic and but if you wanted a good and bad clayface it would make more sense for matt to be the good one
>Did I just dream the treasure hunter part?
he got the boat because he heard there was treasure underwater so i guess you arent technically wrong about it

>>146766378
>honestly i dont see why they couldnt just name him matt its not like movies ever cared about what the comics are doing
I mean, I guess, it's just that everything nowadays just uses Karlo, one of the latest adaptations of mud monster Clayface, the one in Harley Quinn also names him Karlo, even though he has powers like Hagen, that's just something Basil has appropriated at this point.
An on the other hand, Caped Crusader, which adapted Golden Age Clayface instead, also named him Karlo, naturally.
Again, you gotta remember the DCAU was weird about the names and adaptations of certain characters, even though its Clayface was called Matt and had his powers, the character itself took a lot more inspiration from Karlo's character, and that's what mattered the most in the long run, once Basil got the powers, DC was fine with forgetting Hagen, they didn't really bring him back until relatively recently, and even then it's just really minor roles.
Overall DC just prefers using Basil over Matt, even though an adaptation of Matt introduced the idea of an actor with shapeshifting powers, Basil was the actor they already had, so they just folded that into his character and used him for everything else.
>if you wanted a good and bad clayface it would make more sense for matt to be the good one
Maybe, but at this point they've already planted the seeds of a good Basil, and even that seems to be the path they'll be taking with the upcoming movie, so I'd rather they just kept that going and then used Hagen as the evil Clayface instead.
>he got the boat because he heard there was treasure underwater so i guess you arent technically wrong about it
Yeah lol, a quick Google search does describe him as a treasure hunter, so that's probably where I got that from.

>>146766572
>the one in Harley Quinn also names him Karlo, even though he has powers like Hagen, that's just something Basil has appropriated at this point
basil getting matts powers is part of his origin imo
>Overall DC just prefers using Basil over Matt
yeah but in the end it depends on what flanagan prefers
>at this point they've already planted the seeds of a good Basil, and even that seems to be the path they'll be taking with the upcoming movie, so I'd rather they just kept that going and then used Hagen as the evil Clayface instead.
i mean they could also get another obscure clayface as an evil version since there are so many
>Yeah lol, a quick Google search does describe him as a treasure hunter, so that's probably where I got that from.
heh

>>146766651
>basil getting matts powers is part of his origin imo
Not really? At least that's not how I would consider an "origin".
At that point Karlo already had his origin, he had already been "Clayface" for a while at that point, he didn't get Matt's powers until later, but again, he was already Clayface, just the powerless version.
You could call it the origin of Karlo as a Clayface with powers, but I wouldn't call it part of his true origin, you know? The origin that got him truly started as a villain, that already happened to him way before that.
>yeah but in the end it depends on what flanagan prefers
I guess, but like I said, everything nowadays uses Basil, he is the actor Clayface, that's how everyone knows the character, that's how he is in modern stories and adaptations, which he almost definitely will be reading and watching for inspiration, an old adaptation calling him Matt Hagen doesn't hold much water when everything else calls him Basil Karlo, specially when you learn that Hagen's actual character has nothing to do with acting, he's just some crook.
And remember man, Hollywood loves stories about themselves, I'd be really surprised if they didn't use the actor for this.
>i mean they could also get another obscure clayface as an evil version since there are so many
True, but I've always considered Basil and Matt as the two "main/normal" Clayfaces, you know? They have that iconic mud monster look everyone is familiar with, all the other ones have some gimmick or asterick to them that makes them deviate too much from what Clayface is usually expected to be, like Preston Payne and his fishbowl head, Sondra Fuller being a girl, and their kid being, well, their kid, and that's without considering the non-traditional Clayfaces like Clownface or Katherine Karlo, I think it makes sense to separate the main Clayfaces into one good one, and one bad one.

>>146766959
>Not really? At least that's not how I would consider an "origin". At that point Karlo already had his origin, he had already been "Clayface" for a while at that point, he didn't get Matt's powers until later, but again, he was already Clayface, just the powerless version.
yeah but he barely had any stories as powerless clayface and him having powers precedes tas
>I guess, but like I said, everything nowadays uses Basil, he is the actor Clayface, that's how everyone knows the character, that's how he is in modern stories and adaptations, which he almost definitely will be reading and watching for inspiration
i guess we will find out about it eventually
>>146766959
>True, but I've always considered Basil and Matt as the two "main/normal" Clayfaces, you know?
they could also come up with a new one but i understand that that would be even more convoluted maybe just make it so that cassius isnt the kid of preston and sondra
or just have sondra be the evil clayface why not?
also a bit unrelated but at least from what ive read matt and basil only ever interacted once and even then you could barely call it that if you havent read mudpack i would recommend it to see what i mean

>>146765795
Mike Flanagan already said he isn't directing. He's busy with The Exorcist and his Carrie tv series.

Gunn is already done shooting Peacemaker so he has the time to direct another mmovie. And again you don't announce greenlit movies without a director attached. Gunn is directing.

>>146768797
Would Gunn even be good with horror

>>146750180
They're gonna make Clayface the 9/11 mastermind?

>>146750180
might be good

>>146750180
scarecrow would have made for a better horror picture

>>146759533
>Movie makes you wish it was an inflight flick

>>146770209
His first movie Silther was skincrawl worthy.

>>146772603
But is Slither a good horror movie

>>146773547
Yeah that's what I said.

>>146773600
I meant a good movie in general

>>146771197
It doesn't feel or seem likely.