>>146754734
>If I actually was a fan, I'd be fuming.
Luckily nobody is

>>146754741
But wasnt Psylocke big in the 90s?

>>146754744
She was more or less popular because of video games featuring her.
Back in the 90s, it was Elektra that was popular.

Just reboot the fucking character and make her Asian from the start. Make her a British hapa if you want.

>>146754744
She was fucking HUGE
Hot Japanese ninja girl with that psyyknife was so iconic half the women and men in comics started getting magic energy knives and women were spontaneously hot ninja girls.

>>146755073
>Back in the 90s, it was Elektra that was popular.
No. That was never a thing.
Elektra's popularity was an informed thing. Not a real one.
Hell, Typhoid Mary was more popular and to be honest, she's a far more interesting villainess then Elektra.

>>146755096
Yeah.
Captain Brittains half Japanese sister who was raised by her mother as a hand assassin.
Can even say all of the stupid bullshit Psylocke did recently was Betsy influencing her negatively and give her a clean slate.

The funniest thing about ninja Psylocke: she was a massive jobber.

>>146755165
She beat the Shadow king on his turf and temporarily sealed him using her own psionic power dropping her from a high alpha telepath to well below marvel boy.

>>146754734
No one actually cares about Betsy. She's easily the least interesting Braddock

>>146754734
It's actually
>Psylocke's body gets transformed into an Asian ninja body by Mojo and Spiral
>about 4 years later a later writer who hadn't read the issue where this happens decides to write an explanation for Psylocke's transformation
>Reveals Psylocke was body-swapped with a ninja named Kwannon
>Readers call out all the errors in this story, a year later they write a new story to try and reconcile the two origins
>Kwannon dies, still in Betsy's original body
>Nobody cares because she was barely even a character
>Ninja Psylocke was the first time she was ever popular, so any writer who wants to return her to normal isn't allowed to do it
>She's not hugely popular like an A-list character every normie knows, but she's in a number of popular video games and she has toys, messing with this would be stupid
>Only a few contrarians even want Betsy back to her original look
>Flash forward to the second half of the 2010s
>An online movement of woketards who find Psylocke "problematic" has been building for more than ten years because "she's not really Asian, she's not really representation" and because "she stole Kwannon's body"
>They don't actually read comics, just wiki articles, so have no context for what actually happened, nor the order those stories were actually written and published in.
>They actually think Kwannon was a real character who existed in comics prior to the body swap. A real character who had fans.
>As always with these movements, there aren't many of them, but they're loud and permanently online.
>Eventually some cuck writer takes the opportunity to win some Good Boy Points on Twitter by restoring Betsy to her originally body and resurrecting Kwannon, with the appearance and powers, and name of Psylocke.
>It's The Current Year, being a Sexy Ninja is forbidden because you can't sexualize women outside of variant covers.
>Psylocke has been divided into two characters that both suck

>>146754734
Real Psylocke is white and cute. Only retards will pretend it's not an objective improvement.

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>>146755860
Since then Marvel desperately tried to find a new role for Betsy to justify keeping her around now that she wasn't Psylocke, so they made her the new Captain Britain, stealing her brother's superhero name and gimmick, only instead of protecting Britain she spends all her time doing mutant stuff on Krakoa and now wherever she's gone since. Also because of that one story where Fantomex was split into male and female versions of himself and they both banged Betsy, she's now exclusively lesbian and is dating the daughter of Scott and Jean.

Meanwhile Kwannon has the name, powers and appearance of Psylocke anyone cares about, but none of the history, she's literally an entirely separate character that nobody cares about, but Marvel has committed to making her happen, and in terms of adaptations and merch where all that matters is her visual appearance they might eventually pull this off, but in the comics it isn't working.

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>>146754744
Like the first anon said, nobody is a Psylocke fan. She's hot and action-oriented so we all love to see her being drawn, sexy women beating the shit out of everyone is always good. Since X-Men already got a ton of great characters you just throw her in the mix and it works, icing on the cake. Nobody cares about her doing stuff alone, if you want sexy assassin with great stories you go read Elektra: Assassin or something similar.

>>146755127
Typhoid Mary probably was damaged getting involved in mutant things.

>>146754744
her tits were big. No one cared about anything else, and if they did, they shouldn't.

>>146755073
>>146755127
Frank Miller's Daredevil was very popular in the 80s, Elektra was a big character in it, and was comics' first real Sex Ninja, even if Miller's art wasn't really sexy. She stayed dead for a long time after that story, which created a degree of mystique around the character. They eventually brought her back in the 90s as part of a stunt storyline in Daredevil's book, then in the second half of the 90s Marvel finally tried to jump on the Bad Girl comic fad years too late, and chose Elektra as the girl to get a solo book. It lasted almost 2 years mostly through being drawn by 90s Deodato, who could actually draw a Sex Ninja comic.

In the early 2000s, when Quesada and Bill Jemas were running Marvel, Jemas wanted to do a line of bad girl books, and started with Elektra, but behind the Greg Horn covers it wasn't the sexy bad girl book it was being sold as, it was written by Bendis and drawn by Chuck Austen, the covers were false advertising. A similar thing happened with the other bad girl book Marvel tried, an Emma Frost solo book that also had sexy Greg Horn covers, but the story was a long-form origin story about Emma as a flat-chested teen.

Elektra did briefly get popular because of the Daredevil movie, but her own solo movie bombed and that's really been the end of her push, since then she's just a Daredevil character who occasionally gets her own mini, or does weird stuff like taking over as the new Daredevil from Matt.

>>146755904
>Meanwhile Kwannon has the name, powers and appearance of Psylocke anyone cares about, but none of the history, she's literally an entirely separate character that nobody cares about, but Marvel has committed to making her happen, and in terms of adaptations and merch where all that matters is her visual appearance they might eventually pull this off, but in the comics it isn't working.

They don't have to make it work.
Just remove Kwananon ditch betsy and make an AU psylocke that is in every way 90's psylocke and make her exclusively het hot action girl.

>>146756396
She's been a mutant with legion type psychic powers since...almost right after her introduction.
I think it was the time her cold terminator telekinetic personality came out.

>>146754734
>if it's Saturday, it must be time for the weekly I hate Psylocke thread.
You don't like Betsy character, you like Kwannon's body. You dishonest fuck.

>>146754744
no

>>146756322
>Nobody cares about her doing stuff alone
Nobody cares about each member of the X-Men doing shit on their own except if it's Wolverine. People want X-Men. Not Cyclops, Storm or Beast. X-MEN.

>>146755860
Was it so fucking hard to retcon her to always be Asian? Was it so hard to use Secret Wars as an excuse to do just that?

>>146755127
>Captain Brittains half Japanese sister who was raised by her mother as a hand assassin.
There, perfect.

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>>146756322
Not every character needs to be a solo hero. That doesn't mean people don't like them because they're not screaming for an ongoing solo. There's nothing wrong with being a strong team filler character in a team oriented book. This same criticism applies for most of the X-men.

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>>146759352
>>146755127
No. Not perfect. There is nothing WRONG with British telepath who got a body swap. This is not a problem. This was not something that needed to be fixed. You're doing more damage to try and retcon shit that doesn't need to be retconned in order to appeal to retards who aren't going to read the book anyways.

>>146759408
>There is nothing WRONG with British telepath who got a body swap.
It is when adapting the character for other media. Not because of politics, but because it's needlessly convoluted and can easily be streamlined to her being a hapa.

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>>146759532
It's not a problem even then. Here's the funny thing about a lot of comic origins. You don't need to remind people every time. Even when it's a brand new appearance or series. The video games didn't introduce her with "Hello luv, you're probably wondering bout me look, well turns out I was actually born back in Merry ol England and this ninja folk did me a right bit of mischief and now I'm this ninja bird." MAYBE there's some data file in the games menus that will explain it if people are interested but it's not something that's not something you need explained. I swear you people don't even function.

I get that this is almost a casual meme atp but it's really fine. Betsy Braddock and all her British shit and backstory and pre 90s stuff is interesting, so there's that part. And the ninja is still cool and mysterious and sexy, so there's that part two. The BEST of both worlds.

>>146754734
protip: if they have individual character, they're not X-Men

>>146754734
Is Betsy asian again?

>>146754744
she was popular in comics but never really made it to any of the cartoons or movies so she was forgotten.

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>>146760525
She was in the Age of Apocalypse movie

>>146760540
so sad that she died and the movie was never released

>>146754744
>>146755127
>>146756322
She was popular when the X-Men were divided up into two teams and the Blue Team was the kickass ninja action beatemup team with Wolverine, Gambit, Psylocke, Beast, and Rogue.

When they stopped doing that she did not stand out at all when there were more popular brawler types.

>>146755860
Only people who read some Uncanny in the late 80s even knew who the fuck Betsy was at all. If anything she was that weird pink girl in the hood that did the Jean Grey thing while Jean was over in X-Factor. Her being a ninja helped keep her unique from Jean after Jim Lee combined the teams and Jean was back on X-Men.

>>146759340
Marvel doesn't really retcon like that.

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>>146761754
>Marvel doesn't really retcon like that

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>>146754734
>What do you even read now if you like Psylocke as a character? If I actually was a fan, I'd be fuming.

Fucking Marvel, fucking X-men writers. Follow me down this surprise you're a pedo rabbit hole.
>Gen X
>Monet and Penance are 2 members of the team with seemingly nothing in common. Monet is a total bitch and Penace is this tortured mute creepy red Edwards Scissorhands-esque goth girl skulking around the mansion. A nother mutant named Sync develops a crush/flirtation with Monet. SURPRISE BITCH, Penance is actually the real Monet and the current Monet up until this point is Monet's younger 12 year old twin sisters merged into one body pretending to be Monet. And thanks to sum bullshit with their brother the twins/Monet (Who Sync has been hitting on and trying to get with this entire time) is now Penance and Penance is now returned to being Monet.(And the way they wrote it in the comics, Sync just goes right back to hitting on Monet trying to figure out what there relationship is now but he's never actually shown any interest in THIS Monet up until this point. And totally ignores the girl/girls,Penance, he was talking to, the twins as if he hadn't spent months developing a relationship with them.Years later fuck if I know how the twins/Penance are nowhere to be found and Monet can transform into a Penance like body at will.

Dude, let it go. The character you liked basically got killed and is not coming back. That's how i see it.

>>146760519
Yes, Brevoort brought it back, undoing Hickman shite

>>146759340
It's not necessary too. This isn't even all that complicated. Mind swapping is such a common occurrence in fiction it's basically a fetish. You can sum it up in two words. Any explanation you try to give to retcon it is much messier. "Mojo brain swapped her. " Simple.

>>146761876
Yeah that stuff was Messy. And then they somehow forgot along the line that Monet was supposed to be younger than she is so she shows up in weird love triangles with Multiple Man. My poor Gen X kids.

>>146761754
Peter was retconned to be 15 when he was bit in the 80s when he was clearly 17 and in his senior year in the actual Ditko run. The real time shit's a myth that so many fans believed without actually reading the comic.

>>146762691
Which is weird. You'd think they want to make Spider-Man seem younger, but that makes him more experienced and still doesn't solve the issue of him graduating high school.

>>146754734
>Betsy, is no longer a sexy ninja, is now doing some captain Britain crap in a laughably terrible costume, generally shit I do not care about
That's a skill issue on your part.
Captain Britain is the peak of the marvel universe desu. Just drink more tea you yank.

>>146760540
>tfw you completely memory hole Munn as Psylocke
>tfw the memory hole gapes open in response to being prodded
>you now remember not only Shane Black's The Predator but Shane Black's Iron Man 3.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. At least Tom Jane phoned in a decent performance as crazy bastard.
Munn was a hot hapa back then but she fell off hard.
Someone give Shane Black some work, not franchise shit, let the man write something like The Nice Guys again. C'mon, please. He's literally perfect for these fun movies and low tier street level cop dramas and they give him huge franchises to tank. It's. not. fair. REEEEEEEEEEE
I'd still slip it in '09 munn though

Is the psychic knife thing a kwannon power or a betsy power?

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>>146763846
do I have the fleshlight of your dreams or what, buddy

>>146763767
Nobody cares about Captain Britain.

>>146763964
They are both psychic mutants coincidentally since kwannon is a retcon character.

>>146754734
She is basically a British lady trapped in a Asian body with a tighter pussy,

>>146761876
You've got it wrong. Sync is the only guy thinking clearly in an X-book.
>see hot chick
>"I'mma tap that"
>surprise, she's actually two si-
>"Miss me with that mutie bullshit, gonna tap that"
>now she's actually a completely diff-
>"Miss me with that mutie bullshit, gonna tap that"
The real problem with the X-23/Sync romance is that his response to Laura getting killed off and forgetting him isn't him trucking along like nothing changed.

>>146763964
>>146764064
Psy-knife is Kwannon, Betsy had the butterfly energy halo thing.

>>146754744
She was popular. Ignore the responses from those other people who didn't know anything, they're probably Marvel employees/shills trying to justify the bad decision-making

>>146763964
>>146766179
By all reports Kwannon was just a low level empath before the bodyswap

The Psychic Knife was something that Betsy didn't figure out until after the bodyswap happened

And then when Kwannon reappeared in Betsy's body as Revanche, they revealed that their memories were mixed up and their powers got mixed up too. Kwannon was creating a bigger psychic katana

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>>146766307
The story ending with them sort of getting fused. By all accounts Kwannon should never have come back. She was super dead and I really don't think imagine many people were screaming for her return. But she got mutant aids and had her lover assist suicide herself and then all the memories went to betsy.

>>146763995
>HURHURHUR I only care about what's popular

>>146766361
Yeah people overlook this

Psylocke became more or less a mixture of Betsy and Kwannon and it would have been pretty simple to say all the parts that we like were from Kwannon like trying to seduce Cyclops or fucking Archangel for the better part of the decade

Instead you've got a boring pink haired lesbian and a boring generic Asian

>>146754734
>How is this not the worst of both worlds?
It is but the actual effect is that Kwannon has essentially replaced Betsy because Marvel thinks people only liked her for being a ninja chick except she doesn't dress in a sexy outfit and Psylocke's whole appeal was largely based around being the embodiment of the Badass '90s Warrior Woman.

1.Betsy has at no point been popular, well ;liked or even hot. She's just off looking and dumpy and really wants to fuck her brother shotad and now women. She's a fucking foid. A massive one.

2.No one gives a shit about captain Britain. No one,

3.The only..ONLY time Psylocke was cool well liked and marketable was when she was a hot japanese ninja action girl and straight. She added spice to any story or scene. She was objectively perfect.

Now she's this boring fully clothed Asian cunt with a dick stand in sword and same older la w old food mega dyke betsy as cap Britain being forced down out throats.

/Fuck you. Give us what we want. Betsy can be the boring as fuck wierd character no one gives a shit about and 90s Psylocke can be a half Asian sister or an AU version that pretends Betsy never existed.
Both would work


In non comics media I would just make her a hot purple hair hapa with the butterfly telepath signature and increase the power of the psyknife till it was basically a psionic weapon and can be used as a knife/psionic blowtorch
No basic bitch katana.

What is Psylocke's personality?
Who are her rogues?
What are her most famous runs?

>>146768958
Her tits and bubble butt
Marvel editorial
Those covers were she did the boobs and butt pose

>>146768958
>most famous runs
The Capcom games

>>146768958
How naive of you to think 4chan likes its women for other things but their butts.

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Body swaps are hot.

>>146755904
>Steal Captain Britain
>Spend fuck all time in Britain
>Also act like a total dyke cunt
I hate Betsy so much it's unreal

>>146769292
>be colonizer
>get colonized
>cry about it

>>146766222
>ignore anything that disagrees with me, it's just people who work for a small publisher with a big brand going online to justify office politics from 30+ years ago

meds

>>146754744
Several videogames
tv series
comicbooks

Yes, she was.
I recommend her brian wood run from 2013-2014.

>>146768760
>Marvel thinks people only liked her for being a ninja chick except she doesn't dress in a sexy outfit and Psylocke's whole appeal was largely based around being the embodiment of the Badass '90s Warrior Woman
Well... they're partially right. I don't think anyone(maybe apart from a few Captain Britain fans) genuinely cares about Psylocke/Betsy beyond the sexy psychic ninja warrior woman thing she had going on. Which is why lots of proposed solutions to "fix" Psylocke are just retconning her to have been Asian or Asian-ish the whole time.

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>>146769530
>brian wood run
>fully clothed
Nah

>>146760647
>When they stopped doing that she did not stand out at all when there were more popular brawler types.
She's mostly a victim of the 2000s/early 2010s attempts at erasing the '90s. A lot of characters who were popular or mainstays in that decade got fucked over. Psylocke had it bad by spending a few years dead and then being one of Claremont's pet characters for most of the decade but things got better for her under Remender where she regained popularity... until the whole Kwannon revival shit.

Other victims include Gambit (was basically a tertiary character until maybe the last 6 or 7 years), Cable (largely sidelined to C-list spinoffs), Bishop (everyone knows how hew as ruined) and most of X-Force and Generation X.

>>146760647
Hell, anyone who actually read X-Men at the time would mostly just know her as that weird purple chick who just randomly showed up and started trying to bang both Cyclops and Cypher. She was only on the team for like two, maybe three years before she shows up as Asian. Also that time basically coincides with when Claremont's run started slipping and becoming more self-indulgent with weird bullshit.

>>146754744
She was popular because she was hot

>>146769606
>Bishop (everyone knows how hew as ruined)
Bishop killed more people that the Sentinels has killed mutants.

>>146754734
That's Disney, to adapt female sexy characters to the MCU they do this, Gamora, Mantis, Carol Danvers, Valkyrie and so many others they change because they think the classic versions don't sell then came Marvel Rivals and like a bullet train at high speed it hits them in the face they saw how the normies loved Psylocke and Ororo in sexy costumes, who knows Marvel Rivals showed them that Marvel is a fantasy world where women wear leotards to fight crime

>>146755904
>exclusively lesbian...
>while dating
Is she supposed to be polyamorous?

>>146759532
>adaptation streamlining
Nothing turns me off more. The comic equivalent of games saying they're for modern audiences.

>>146759532
Same reason Juggernaut is just lumped in with mutants. Ain't nobody going to explain Cyttorak in a movie appearance

>>146771152
Bitch all you want. You're in the minority. Deal with it.

>>146771368
I hope you make 200 more threads about Betsy not being a video game character anymore :)

>>146771332
Or Mimic, not be a mutant for little 40 years and then marvel saying he was because he's only in x-men adjacent stories

>>146754741
Fuck you, I am

>>146771786
No you're not, you're just a fan of gooning

>>146755860

Pretty good summary, but you forgot to mention that Marvel had a (then) brand new EIC who'd been outed as having pretended to be Japanese to write terrible Mangaverse stories a decade prior
https://ew.com/books/2017/11/28/marvel-editor-cb-cebulski-japanese-pen-name-akira-yoshida/

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People try to dismissively write her off as being only liked for the sexy ninja thing. But you know what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's at least honest. It's better than the people who try to pretend like making her Captain Betsy was an improvement in terms of depth. Or acting as if depth itself was automatically a better thing given the subject material and medium. Even if a character isn't t he most complicated in terms of personality having a character who looks cool, has a cool power and can bring her own shtick to a team book table than she's already better off than a lot of characters.

>>146773157
>she's not just liked because of her looks!
>unless she is
>but that's not a bad thing!
>and betsy isn't deeper!
>unless she is
>but that's not a good thing!
Why don't you give your posts a second draft before hitting send?

>>146755127
>She was fucking HUGE
No, she wasn't.

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>>146773157
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with that

>>146773225
>Everyone in this thread is the same person making the same point
You're an idiot.
>>146773276
You're a mule.

>>146773293
I'm only quoting one person.

>>146755860
>It's The Current Year, being a Sexy Ninja is forbidden because you can't sexualize women outside of variant covers.
source: dude trust me

>>146773462
What parallel reality did you come from?

>>146773235
She's wasn't can-carry-a-solo popular, but she was always on an X-team and appeared in multiple video games.

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>>146773225
Approximately 90% of what sells comic characters is their look and apperance.
BUT THIS SHITTY BACKGROUND CHARACTER AND THAT!!
Anon, no one knows the first thing about betsy braddock or fucking cares. Still don't.

If she was a random japanese hand woman that Logan helped to turn over a new leaf and she just appears out of nowhere one day in the 90's then no one woudl give a shit.

Psylocke the hot asian action girl is for all intents and purposes a new character. And she's iconic.
Hell she's one of the vanishingly small to non-existant asian female comic characters and she's popular and because of her costume is allowed to be sexy as fuck.

>>146773235
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Psylocke was a major player in the Xmen back when the Xmen carried Marvel and the big two comic industry on it's back.
She's iconic. And the reason she's not pushed is because she's a popular hot asian chick. And ((they))fear hot Asian women.
BUT MUH BETSY!!!
You can 100% remove every single fucking uneeded shitty thing about betsy braddock and the body swap she'll be even better.

>>146773966
I'm glad you lost and I have the Betsy I want :) I actually read comics, you watch porn (then cry) and we're both happy.

>>146773994
No one is reading comics and the comic industry will soon be dead.

I hope you have fun for the next five or so years.

>>146774546
>Average Psylocke "fan" telling people in the comic board they hope the comic industry is dead

>>146773994
>I actually read comics
Yeah but do you BUY them or do you just look at panels and brag about OWNING THE CHUDS. I have years and years of comics in my boxes that I can still enjoy. I don't really need anymore so if you want to support this industry go for it. But you don't. And it's drying.

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>>146774598
Since when is the spectrum "I like garbage 90s writing or I just look at panels and brag about owning the chuds"? Psylocke was a shit character, deal with it.

>>146774568
>Average racist larping as a fan bitching that a character stay in[popular because the popular form is attractive and more marketable

You're a fag, and ugly woman, or contraruan because you believe it makes you better.

And this isn't a hope anon. This a

>>146774639
>Psylocke fans watch so much porn they get strokes mid-writing a post

>>146774650
Can't babysit and post. Okay, comics can't keep up the rage [paying and not giving people want with this sub shit tier demoralization and Twitter bait

We all should accept that they aren't making comics for us. They are making them for themselves and many of them hate us and comics and let us know through their stories.

It's not fun alot of the time.

>>146774745
>they aren't making comics for us
They are for me. Really sucks to be you though.

>>146773649
>She's wasn't can-carry-a-solo popular
In all fairness no X-Man was besides Wolverine and Cable and nobody really cared about their solos either.

>>146775990
Wolverine's solo was a top seller in the 90s though. During that year long period after he lost his adamantium, that was the only way to even see Wolverine.

So what are the must read stuff if you want to see Psylocke at her best? I've always liked her because I just really loved how Capcom depicted her.

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It's crazy to me they figured out a way to fix Psylocke/Betsy/Kwannon and people on /co/ still get mad about her and it. Also Kwannon is one of the characters to get the biggest boost from the Krakoa era. As a Betsy fan I'm jealous.