Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?
>>146755481well it's X-men: From the Ashes instead of X-men getting burnt to Ashes
>>146755481only 2 of these teams matter
>>146755986That's every X-men era though
>>146755481*BURSTS IN TO SAVE YOUR BOOKS*X-Bros, meet your new Juggernaut, Peter Parker! Or should I also say, your future team leader?!?!
>>146756021Well, sorry, i just started after krakoa, and I have to say, it's meh. then again, I don't really know what to expect. it's not entirely bad, but honesty, I'm just waiting for a new status quo
>>146756082>just started after krakoaTrust me then, this feeling of "meh" IS the status quo for X-men books since around the 2000s. You get one or two good books in a sea of shit and just wait for the next status quo, which is usually a repeat of the last one only there's more dead kids and the X-men are even more cynical and annoying than the last iteration.
>>146756062>Magik is too retarded to notice the change>Cyclops never notices either because all these filthy flatscans look the same
>>146756093man, that fucking sucks.
>>146755481brevoort + upcoming mcu synergykrakoa was pretty popular (contrary to what some of the /co/ says), but the editors were clueless about what direction they wanted to go
>>146756093That's why krakoa felt genuinely attractive.
>>146755481>what went wrong?>In 1963, X-Men was createdMany mistakes were made since.
>>146756104Sorry, but have to rip off the bandaid sometime. But don't worry, being trapped in a cycle of mediocrity isn't exclusive to the X-men.>>146756105>>146756114>krakoa was pretty popular For a while. Primarily cause people were beyond fed up of the X-men's normal cycle and were happy someone was promising them a reprieve from "muh mutant extinction". But then they started spinning their wheels and the bottom fell right out from under it.
>>146756093>>146756114is this why you guys are always so angry and miserable? Damm, I'm sorry.
>>146755481The story so far is not really that bad, what's wrong is that the writers are incompetent idiots who can't really write good characterization and development or bad teams were chosen.Exceptional has a lame team and Kitty's unlikeable. Maybe Bobby can make it entertaining, but a team leaded by a dyke, a fag, and a whore seems to have been written for a very specific audience. Uncanny has the best lineup, yet Simone has Poochied Rogue. She's taking bad decisions and her team keeps validating her all the time instead of telling she's an idiot who needs to sit down and think. And these too have new teen mutants nobody cares about but the writers keep pushing despite the writing for them is absolute "how do you do fellow kids?" bs. Specially Simone, who should be happier writing YA fiction.X-men has a story that's moving forward fine and while I don't like that team much, at least they are all acting like a real team.The first arc for Uncanny was pretty bad, btw. The hag only existed for Rogue to have exposition of her depression while Logan and Gambit told her how much loved her. X-men at least placed the characters within their conflict and gave us more context of what's going on. Nothing has really happened in Exceptional.
>>146756126Thank. Although now I'm not so much angry so much as used to being disappointed. Upside is that there's usually at least one X-book that's almost entirely divorced from the rest of them that's more interesting to read.
>>146756062Doom: You have no choice, Arachnid! Now claim the Juggernaut’s powers, take your rightful place in the X-Men, and GET STORM TO LIKE ME! *Doom twirls his fucking cape*
>>146756143Man, i'm starting to see why I like the x-men, and it's literally everything except the comics. the movies and tv shows just felt like condensed versions that cut the bs. even if the movies had a lot of things wrong. in fact, I liked some of the things they changed in the Fox movies.
Krakoa was popular among new readers who aren't interested on what x-men used to be popular for. The opinion of the people who abandoned xmen after it became shit it's not really considered. What people liked about x-men are themes that are no longer explored and were replaced by an audience that only cares about who sleeps with who. They loved Krakoa for the chance of their characters to indulge in absolute hedonism without much repercussions for it. You think people who read 90s comics, watched the 90s cartoon, or the fox movies would like a new story where all they do is fuck all day, abandon babies, beat each other, and hate humans?There are a lot of comments of people who hate FTA and want them to go back to Krakoa bc the xmen have to face not only consequences of their actions, but bc they've toned down the degeneracy.
>>146756195Pretty much. A lot of the X-men's best stories are decades old by now, so it's far easier to just cut out the fat on them for adaptations to make for a far more watchable experience.
>>146756165Doom is wholesome and he does nothing wrong and I think it’d be cute if they were together!*Posted from a Latverian IP address*
>>146755481From The Ashes is just the second coming of X-men ReLoad (ie. A back to basics era created to bring back a dying audience along with pumping out solo books that will not last long) except this time around they're too fucking lazy and just reusing previous concepts again>X-Force with Forge that is dealing with world ending threats again>Mekanix but it's a mainline X-Men book>Government-sanctioned X-Factor but they're ripping off X-Statix>Wolverine and Deadpool on a "show no mercy" kill team againEtc.
>>146756201>indulge in absolute hedonism without much repercussions for it. You think people who read 90s comics, watched the 90s cartoon, or the fox movies would like a new story where all they do is fuck all day,Yes
>>146755481>reboot x-men because it went off the woke deep end with krakoa. This turns off Twitter trannies. >bring in more woke writers to continue with more woke slop only now without krakoa. This turns off the rest of the potential readers. >expect it to do well. Gail Simone, Eve Ewing, Alyssa Wong, Jason Loo, Mark Russell, Ahmed, ayodele, ect should not have been a part of any of this at all. The women shouldn’t have been the main characters of every book. If marvel wants the x-men to do well they need to stop with the minority/allegory shit. It’s too political and too divisive. If they can’t let punisher exist and appeal to 2A /k/ types then why should x-men exist just to pander to perpetually online wokescolds?
>>146756131>Kitty'sYOU MEAN KATE!!
>>146756062X-Men fans I’m so sorry that you and the Venom people have to put up with this utterly miserable status quo. But these are your problems now.
>>146756125Yes exactly, and that's what I implied in my post too, with "editors being clueless fucks"
>>146756126You should be, you mean mean bully
>>146756438She's kitty again, because fuck character development, status quo is empowering. This very same people would probably regress Invisible Woman to be Invisible Girl again
>>146756165I can assure you that Doom and Storm will fuck at least once in the upcoming World Under Doom shitty event
>>146756296>*Posted from a Latverian IP address*You fool! For such an amateurish sloppy job, you will be doomed to work in coal mines
>>146756201You are so fucking wrong, where do I even start>Krakoa was popular among new readers who aren't interested on what x-men used to be popular for.I've read x-men since 1994 with short breaks. But I was ALWAYS up to date. Don't you dare to question my fan status you pseud.>What people liked about x-men are themes that are no longer explored and were replaced by an audience that only cares about who sleeps with whoThat's false. The reality is that x-men are being written by woke crowd, therefore they have no chance of exploring anything, you fucking pseud.>You think people who read 90s comics, watched the 90s cartoon, or the fox movies would like a new story where all they do is fuck all day, abandon babies, beat each other, and hate humans?Yes, it was even explored back then, you fucking pseud.>There are a lot of comments of people who hate FTA and want them to go back to KrakoaLiterally nobody says that, you fucking pseud.> the xmen have to face not only consequences of their actions, but bc they've toned down the degeneracy.projecting I see, as expected from A FUCKING PSEUD
>>146756392True, that's why we all wait for some new status quo. It is bound to happen, when the movies will reveal what they are about to be
>>146756427>/pol/bot activatedshoo shoo retard
The end of Krakoa should be a "new timeline" that forgot Krakoa.The new comics are only shadows of that era.Also we dont know the status quo... the X-men are famous and forgot at the same time.They are victims but it was show they where horrible and they dont really care to commit murder.There is a bunch of Krakoa and Akko religions, that the X-men dont take part, Mutants have gang sings that the X-men dont know... there is a private organization that arrest mutants, that maybe be for the gorvernament.it's a mess... but at least we are out of the Krakoa era.
>>146757213>Mutants have gang sings that the X-men dont know...Retard
>>146756062Spider-Fag here, so what’s the deal with this “Juggernaut” guy and what are his mutant powers? I figured I should know since they’re having Spider-Man put in charge of your teams and I want to keep up to date with his latest developments.
>>146757699Dude's not a mutant, but still used to be one of the X-men's lifelong foes due to his (now reconciled) grudge with his step-brother Professor X. He's a guy with the powers of an ancient god that basically make him both super strong, effectively immortal, and almost impossible to physically stop once he's begun barreling at you. If we take Hulk as the metaphorical immovable object, the Juggernaut's effectively the unstoppable force. He also tends to boast a helmet to block psychic attacks like Magneto, since one of the few weaknesses he has is his mental strength. Although if you are a Spider-Fag, mildly surprised you didn't know since he's tangled with Spider-Man a couple times, including in that Shattered Dimensions video game which had a level featuring Spider-Man outright chasing him down to capture him before Silver Sable could take him in.
>>146757884To be honest while really am a Spider-Fag I was just making a shitpost and a bad joke at current ASM’s expense. I’m not enthusiastic about this Spidernaut thing at all and I doubt it’ll ever be anything more than a self contained thing for 1-2 issues before reverting back.I still appreciate the answer though, thanks man.
>>146757927Anytime. And don't worry, I think everyone can tell how desperate they are to keeping the sinking ship of ASM afloat until issue 1000, and it's kind of like X-men where the people who don't like the current meandering status quo are just idly watching the gimmick issues pass by.
>>146755481It's a "back to basics" type status quo that no one asked for or wanted. Even if Krakoa had to end with no more Krakoa, that didn't mean people wanted to go back to the same shit we'd been having for nearly 20 years up to that point. It's just fucking dull.
>>146758205I think Krakoa was a good start, but it shouldn’t have been the endpoint. It should have unraveled in a way that lead to new problems instead of the same old ones.It’s high time for the X-Men to move on from the mistakes of the past, and to start making the mistakes of the future!
>>146758255It's frustrating since that's clearly what Hickman was trying to do, I think he described Krakoa as just part 1 of 3. Really wish we could've seen him do his intended saga.
>>146758255My thoughts precisely.Mutants overcame death and terraformed an entire planet ffs. Every bullshit they're dealing with rn is just retarded in comparison with what they were capable of during Krakoa. Hell that's so much so that they sent Jean to fuck off somewhere in space to fight gods or some shit
>>146758255The problem with Krakoa was that it was actually cringe instead of based, and becoming a country just made them as bad and dysfunctional as all the governments that voted for Sentinels and Mutant Death Camps, just in a pro-mutant way this time. It was always weird to me that mutates like Hulk and Spider-Man don’t get a seat at the table or any kind of asylum, even though Bruce Banner is the biggest outcast and the US government literally wants him killed and dissected, and if Peter Parker ever unmasked there’d be a conga line of sociopaths looking to form an angry mob and lynch him. Not supervillains, just ordinary civilians.The LGBT metaphor has been done to death for mutants at this point, but I think homing in the mutant/mutate divide as fairly arbitrary and exclusionary. We already see it in events where “conventional heroes” butt heads with the X-Men. You could even treat having to go around in masks and secret identities as being forcibly closeted, because unless you’re Tony Stark or Steve Rogers going around under your real name is just painting on you from the vicious cunts that are the normal Marvel civilians. You could even say that Mutant vigilantes like Ricochet or Firestar, who still do the masks and secret identities thing, are frowned upon for choosing the other team or playing bootlicker.
>>146758494Meant to say> but I think homing in the mutant/mutate divide as fairly arbitrary and exclusionary HAS POTENTIAL.
>>146755481Did something go wrong? I've only read the Cyclops team book but it's been okay so far
>>146758494>The problem with Krakoa was that it was actually cringe instead of basedSubjective >becoming a country just made them as bad and dysfunctional as all the governments that voted for Sentinels and Mutant Death Camps, just in a pro-mutant way this timeRetarded. The unfairness and shortcomings of mutankind affected mostly themselves, not an external species. Also comparing corruption to genocide is retarded>>>B-b-but evil beastA villain. Like there's one in every single group. >It was always weird to me that mutates like Hulk and Spider-Man don’t get a seat at the table or any kind of asylumRetarded. Mutants and mutates are not the same>Not supervillains, just ordinary civiliansRetarded. They did it. > I think homing in the mutant/mutate divide as fairly arbitrary and exclusionaryThat's the story, if you don't like it don't read it>Firestar, who still do the masks and secret identities thing, are frowned uponRetarded nigger. Do you even read the stuff that you're criticizing?
What do you mean what wrong? Thanks to Brevoort, logan and storm are back together so I would say he got something right.
>>146758255X-men is unironically too self-absorbed a franchise to ever make Krakoa work. A post-human society focused on the effects of a superhuman ruling class is legitimately a creative idea...but they already did that with Miracleman. The rest was Hickman wanking himself off to his Sinister Dominion crap and everyone else trying to make that shit into something workable.
>>146755481>Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?X-Men more or less being irredeemable due to Krakoa. Ultimately the X-Men don't fit in the Marvel universe anymore and need their own self-contained universe that makes more contextual sense like the standalone Punisher books.
>>146756097scott knew something was wrong with spider man when oto was at the helm, so hed probably pick up on this
>>146757207You seem to lack reading comprehension. They essentially pointed out that x-men is too /pol/ - which doesn’t just mean “le ebil Alt rightards!”
>>146757143Pet names have nothing to do with character development. Your family will call you "Kitty" even if you're 80s.
>>146758494The problem with Krakoa is that Krakoa is not something that should be part of the X-Men lore.
>>146758673Yep. The problem ain't Krakoa itself (which is already bad), but how the mutants behaved once Krakoa was a thing. The same characters people champion as allegory for anti-discrimination and integration now hate everybody and moved to their own place to behave like a bunch of horny irresponsible teenagers. The stupid "allegory" now would be that every single Jew decides to move to Israel, but without losing their original nationalities and trying to keep bossing the world from there while still calling you a bigot for realising their country is a nightmare.
>>146759009Can you please provide an example of the mutant nation of Krakoa trying to "boss" the rest of the world in any significant way?
>>146758603"I dislike you say you retard"kek
>>146758644Why do you mostly only post in Spider-Man threads, Gwenschizo?It's weird. Anyways, I'm pretty sure Storm is getting together with Dr. Doom anyways.
>>146759135For what little it's worth, the X-men books do feature Krakoa using their wonder drug trade to essentially blackmail other countries into providing a lot of massive concessions to them without a formal treaty that would be a dealbreaker for any other country, such as the portal gates and the dual citizenship, and then take measures to outright force nations that say "No thank you" to do what they say anyways such as smuggling the drugs into other countries by the black market anyways to ensure humans become addicted, planting their portal seeds without permission within other country borders regardless of diplomatic status, and using their "pirate fleets" to "smuggle" mutants out of the countries that declined their drugs claiming that "all mutants are citizens of Krakoa". Then there's the shit like annexing one of the nexus of realities despite it being an island owned by Britain, annexing Mars while effectively spitting on the Outer Space Treaty, and outright declaring themselves the rulers of the galaxy while crowning one of their own "The Voice of Sol". All while threatening to fucking crush anyone that wants to violate Krakoa's borders or tell them to stop being imperialistic dickwads.And if you want to go "That's just the usual kinds of two-faced bullshit other countries go", then you're right, it 100% is. But it's also the kind of shit that the X-men books act like the nation of Krakoa is too "enlightened" and "superior" to act over. So they can't act like they're somehow morally superior to humans while doing the exact same shit as them without the readers going "You guys are kind of hypocritical trying to boss around people while demanding nobody boss you around too".
>>146756125>For a while. Primarily cause people were beyond fed up of the X-men's normal cycle and were happy someone was promising them a reprieve from "muh mutant extinction". But then they started spinning their wheels and the bottom fell right out from under it.I think the initial unexpected popularity of the Krakoa concept was really screaming to Marvel that readers are tired of the "hated and feared" porn over and over and over and wanted to see the mutants win for a change. Perfectly understandable.But Krakoa had been set up as a dark, creepy un-heroic concept that couldn't last. If they had just done something like this concept without the things that make it unsustainable -- e.g. if the mutant villains were still fighting the X-Men like they're supposed to -- it might not have collapsed as quickly as it did.It bears repeating that the Claremont/Byrne era that made the franchise popular had very little "mutant metaphor" material, really nothing except Days of Future Past, and even that featured the X-Men fighting evil mutants, which is their mission statement after all. But it never sinks in that people want the X-Men to be sad for romantic/soap opera reasons, not because they're mutants.
>>146759584The sad thing is that I don't think it's even that people wanted to see the mutants "win" in the sense of them being on top. I think they just wanted to see the X-men finally catching a break from the constant genocide attempts and to do shit they normally used to do openly like going shopping, playing ball, or just hanging out without constantly worrying about the other shoe dropping and at minimum one of them dying a hideous death per issue. The fact that the 'status quo' was basically presenting the message that the X-men have to keep making massive moral compromises if they want even a modicum of a peaceful life such as turning a blind eye to the religious nutter brainwashing their kids, the death matches, and the blatant unreformed nazis walking around their island is really the part that made the whole era go sour for me.
>>146759753Yeah, I agree. It was obviously intended to go sour which just shows that Marvel could not wean themselves off the idea that being in an X-book requires that life suck all the time in every way. It's just that in Hickman's concept life sucks because they had compromised their principles and stopped being heroes.If they had done Krakoa with the objective of letting them still be heroes while having some amount of security for once, they wouldn't have had to resort to so much bullshit to keep it going.
>>146759790It mostly reminds me that Marvel tried to do the whole moral ambiguity shit in Cable's book with the island of Providence, except there it worked a whole lot better there for the fact that despite doing a lot of shit that made people nervous like hiring supervillains to work for him and going full "nations without borders", Cable never does anything blatantly morally compromising or at least anything outside his usual level of anti-hero antics, so it does become a legitimate question of whether the other superheroes should leave him alone for providing a sanctuary to the disenfranchised or take him down preemptively on the off-chance he does turn out to be full of shit and go full blown supervillain.
>>146759427anon kindly stop inserting your bullshit here will you. And bear in mind this a X-Men thread if you start spamming pics of Gwen Stacy death or any other shit then you can be damn certain you WILL get reported for spam and being of--topic. Do NOT stir up trouble here unless you wish to to endure the wrath of angry X-Men now piss off.
>>146755481I think I might get the X-Men book with Kamala in it just because she's in it mainly but what do you guys think of it?
>>146761701It depends on how much you like Kamala. If your really like her (specifically her current iteration) it's a fine book, not great. Otherwise it's not worth it.Not even the Laura they have in that is the REAL Laura. They're kicking around with this fake Krakoa clone that was created by mistake
>>146761701There is no reason for it to be called Nyx. >>146762152This is part of why they need to just start doing hard reboots. Taylor ruined Laura. There is legit no salvaging her.
>>146762152So the female clone and innocence adopted daughter of Wolverine now has two versions of herself because of cloning on mutant orgy Island nonsense? Does she have a soul or was her soul created when she was crowned because the other wasn't actually dead?
>>146762271They kind of sidestep that by killing off the temporal original, so now all that's left is the clone based off the original. Oh, and they retconned her being a clone to begin with, only to now end up with her being a clone again. Funny, that.
>>146756427>If marvel wants the x-men to do well they need to stop with the minority/allegory shit. It’s too political and too divisive. If they can’t let punisher exist and appeal to 2A /k/ types then why should x-men exist just to pander to perpetually online wokescolds?it's been their thing for decades anon. just read a different fucking comic
>>146762415Only one portion of it. That'd be like saying "Iron Man's whole thing is that he's got a bum ticker", or "Nightwing's whole thing is that he was raped".
>>146762819Iron Man's heart issues should not have been thrown by the wayside, along with the bodyguard secret identity dynamic.
>>146759549You forgot the part where the X-Men literally put down a slave rebellion against the Shi'ar.
>>146758961the whole change the name was a way to finally transition her into a mature and responsible X-Man. Something apparentyl no one can pull off because they keep regressing her to either emo teenager or college teenager
>>146763230They did what?
>>146763331Kitty and Kate are both diminutives of Katherine. There is no functional difference.
>>146762415This is vastly over stated and tells me you haven’t read much at all. This is something someone who’s only watched like X1 and X2 would say
>>146758974As bad as things turned out, I wouldn't go that far. I'm still of the opinion that if Krakoa had been relegated to a few miniseries, an AU that gets annually dusted off like AoA, a lot of the problems that dominated the era could have been avoided/mitigated.
>>146763230Lord, I forgot about that. The X-men really were fucking bastards during that time.>>146763359TL;DR The Shi'Ar empire uses "vassal worlds" that are really more like slave worlds. A dude outright formed a rebellion against them not only because recent crossover events made the Shi'ar bankrupt and unable/unwilling to keep supporting most of their vassal worlds but also installed Xavier's kid on the throne and all but gave the mutants their blessing/backing. So naturally he rebelled, and the X-men beat the shit out of him to save Xavier's crotchspawn and keep the Shi'ar in power.
Comic writers are evil and retarded
>>146755481Go wokeGo broke
>>146756131>And these too have new teen mutants nobody cares about but the writers keep pushing despite the writing for them is absolute "how do you do fellow kids?" bs.I like the Uncanny newbies. Other than the bit where the black dude punched out Cyclops and started a mugga moment for no reason. Or the part where Gambit and Jubilee feel like the only old guard that they are integrating with beyond a surface level so far.Exceptional's kids are deep in the pronouns shit but other than that they seem okay. Even the worst one, Melee isn't too obnoxious.
>>146765119Tell you what, I'm usually on the other side of the fence when it comes to this wokenism tantrum people throw on site but oh my god if Exceptional is fucking disgusting. The mugga tranny with pink hair is one of the most disgusting creatures I've seen in comics. That book should be canceled asap
>>146765191>The mugga tranny with pink hair is one of the most disgusting creaturesHe's the most reasonable guy in the entire group. I hated Bronze but she's at least trying to be friendly. Melee is awful but she constantly gets dumped on so it seems fine.
>>146758255>>146758431>>146758436>>146758494yeah, there's so much more that could have been done with it. I have 5 primary gripes with the Krakoa era as a whole, disregarding any complaints specific to this title or that title:- The characterization is my no. 1 gripe. So many people were just plain out of character during this, and a lot of history between characters was ignored(maybe the writers just forgot, maybe they didn't know it in the first place). I can point to countless individual characters across each of the titles, but there's some similar issues that occurred to many characters as well, especially regarding ignored relationships.- Pacing. Oh lord, the pacing. How much time passed in-universe from HoX/PoX to the end of Krakoa, exactly?? There were 3 galas, but it seemed like it was less than 3 years. And of course the pacing of individual storylines varied but so many of them suffered from some kind of pacing issue. X-Force, I'm lookin' at you. - Missed potential. I could write a whole essay here on what I think should have been explored more, who should have been more important, etc. etc. etc. - A specific kind of missed potential:>"lol orgy island">no Swimsuit SpecialLame. - Weird retcons. I know the entirety of this era, the good and the bad of it, was built around one(Moira being a mutant), and sure I liked HoX/PoX, but that doesn't make it not a dumb decision. I feel the same way about this as I do about all the stuff with Venom and King in Black: cool as fuck but this shouldn't have become the status quo, let's just hope the damage it did's not irreparable.
>>146765119I don't dislike the kids per se, but they're characters we're wasting time with when Simone has an already kick ass team of perhaps the most popular and liked mutants that she's not using well. Jubilee, Kurt, and Gambit are just there while these kids who we all are gonna forget in a couple of years get more spotlight.
>>146765641She's not a tranny, she just has a terrible design.
>>146756296Doom IS wholesome and he does nothing wrong and I agree it’d be cute if they were together!*Posted from a Krakoan IP address*
>>146762203It's called NYX so marvel dont lose the name.Also Kiden Nixon just show up.
>>146763331A personality change doesn't require her to change her name. It's not quite Ric Grayson levels of stupid but it's up there.
>>146763331Mature and responsible = Drunk bitch with midlife crisis.
>>146766149no dick no love
>>146755481They're treating Krakoa with teary eyes instead of pretending it never happened. Plus they gave a bunch of books to a bunch of shitty writers, but that's a constant issue
>>146768969That's because your take is shit and nobody likes you
>>146756427>ectI find it hilarious that people can get their head around X-slop words but cannot get their head around how to spell a three letter abbreviation of the words 'et cetera'. ETC. NOT ECT you DUMB FUCKING RETARD GORILLA APE.WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ECT STANDS FOR? WHERE DOES ECT COME IN ET CETERA?
>>146769407Krakoa stinky
>>146755481The same thing that has been happening to comic books, especially superheroes, for a long while now: a writer comes in and attempts to do something different and they allow it, but then they ultimately return to the status quo. Nobody can progress or change or become something else. Everyone must stay perpetually the same. No growth, just stagnation. It’s just people reading the same stories again and again and again because we aren’t allowed to take the toys on new adventures, to new sandboxes, in different directions, because we’ve always gotta keep them exactly the same. No genres, no history, no legacy.. piece meal what you want and forget the rest.
>>146761701NYX is one of the better books, even if /co/ has issues with it.
>>146770448Not even remotely true
>>146769958I get that, but you can't just change the status of what the story is about without betraying the characters. Both need to evolve, not to do a 180°.USM is a good example. It's the same story, but Peter is presented in a different situation and he's allowed to grow and being an adult. The deal is how he deals with it, how he's a super hero while also a married man and a dad. Meanwhile, the x-men are trapped in perpetual adolescence. Krakoa was nothing but a more autistic take of a high school, with councils and dances, and they all were free to fuck and swing around. Thing is, Cyclops is almost 35, he shouldn't be having panic attacks or supposedly having trios with Logan and Jean, but rather start seeing his own life in a different way. He hasn't been a teen since the 60s and they all are back to act like this since 2000s. He isn't portrayed as a grown man, but rather a particularly responsible teenager, and all the rest of the characters are similar.
>>146771300>responsibleConsidering the writers made the dude run out on his wife and child to rush back to the team he retired from, the X-men haven't been properly "responsible" in a long time.
How many mutant teenagers have they killed off?
>>146769463Holy autism Batman. Anything to say about the content of anons post?
