>>146828677
By inviting the two retards who don’t know what fantasy is.

>dwarves are just blue collar elves
lmao

>>146828677
Family issues at home which led them to using fandom and media consumption as outlets for their frustrations.

>>146828677
>last panel
Damn. Anyways, I hate this kind of message
>Hey dude there's no problem with being a loser in life. But remember, don't gatekeep and respect everyone!
And I have my hobbies and I enjoy many franchises, okay. But I don't want to waste my life, I'm starting to hate my hedonistic lifestyle. And obviously people who write things like this (and I say this as someone who likes Eltingville) don't have any problem with this. But it always ends in a bad way. You know, Kyle for example

>>146828677
3/4 of them are spergs and ended up making the one who wasn't a sperg the biggest sperg of them all. Also he looks like the creator.

>>146828817
Josh's little rant about getting into the comic industry just to fuck it up and piss off people he hates rings true but instead of giving the reins to angry nerds, the comic industry gave them to angry activists who couldn't hack it in "real" literature and we've been suffering from so much worse than anything Josh could make for the last decade. Dorkin's over played the angry nerds stereotype and completely ignored the angry feminist stereotype that actually happened.

>>146828677
This bullshit was absolutely insidious with the message it spreads

>>146828817
I agree. I'm always gatekeeping against chuds and coomers that try to infiltrate my circle of friends. I don't care if you think the big tittied anime girl is hot or 2strong and unrealistic. STFU and let me enjoy the setting.

>>146828925
This panel in particular or the Eltingville comic as a whole?

>>146828932
And fuck bitches that try to shove the bechdel test in my face like it's a necessity for any work to be perfect. Fuck off with that shit.

>>146828677
At the very least the fat guy has a fucked up family, but it's never elaborated why the kids are all toxic because it would break Dorkin's narrative hate.

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Corporations failed to produce good enough products to keep up the "fun."
Think about it, these guys grew up in the golden age of nerd culture, and then one day scripts started becoming shit, the prequel trilogy didn't hit the same, the Star Wars Christmas Special was shit, The Doom Movie was shit.
Everything went to shit and when you base your friendship on that literal slop well, it all goes to hell.
The material conditions which led to their lives going to shit are based on corporate betrayal.
Think about it logically.

>>146828936
the comic

bc it's way of having fun?... I guess

>>146828878
Dorkin IS an angry feminist though. That's why he made the comic in the first place.

>>146829067
male feminist rapist? couldn't be worse...

>>146828878
>angry activists who couldn't hack it in "real" literature
Literally the new ironman run
>>146828932
Yep. I don't care about any ideologies. I just want to enjoy things. And those ideologies can be adapted, used in smart and fun ways. But some people won't recognize it, they only care if the ideologies presented are the ones they have. Most of the times they don't care if the game, comic, whatever is crap.
I'm tired about both sides. The side that won't admit that there's something bad with modern media. And the other side saying that they're fighting for better quality, but that is full of hypocrisy and usually behave like the previous side in their own ways. And of course perverts are annoying. Many of them don't care about the franchises and will kill conversation by centering it around shallow topics

>>146828949
Dorkin wasn't making that point though about corporate greed and rot. His message was just "don't be a toxic misogynistic right wing chud."

>>146829086
>>146828932
>>146828939
There's literally nothing wrong with cheese cake fan service. Why does everyone hate it now?

>>146829095
I'm aware, I'm just posting that to explain the start even though yeah the whole comic ultimately was just "STOP BEING FUCKING CHUDS, YOU FUCKING CHUDS!" After his friends got called out for being niggers at DC.

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>>146828677
They went wrong the second they started using their shared interests and passions as a substitute for meaningful or healthy socialization or positive development. The biggest problem facing geeky men is that most of the time, they develop obsessions over fiction as a coping mechanism for social ineptitude (whether it be due to being on the low end of the social hierarchy due to looks or personality, or for being screwed due to their brains being wired differently).

Instead of talking to girls, they masturbate to objects. Instead of picking up how to fight, they'd rather watch fighting in a paper book or an idiot box. Instead of talking to people and learning how to listen to them, they memorize meaningless shit for no other purpose than to compare how much you know. Before geeky stuff like comic books and movies and anime and television was a thing, "geeky men" had the choice of listening to the radio, going with friends to the theaters, or reading a weekly magazine. Even if you were an obsessive, you had to go outside and talk to people, get to know people, want to be around them. You had to have a life outside of your interests.

But thanks to the culmination of several issues such as:
>atomization of the family and community
>cars + suburbs and their consequences
>shitty public transit
>everyone getting a tv
>falling literacy rates
>shitty economy

so you're left with rejected men who lack the support to develop themselves outside of perpetually masturbating forever

someone should storytime Eltingville again

>>146828939
It's funny that the bechdel test gets used as a benchmark for how much a male work of fiction cares about women when it was invented by a lesbian comic artist (the first person to publish a webcomic if I'm not mistaken) for the purpose of trying to see which fictional women could be argued as being lesbian.

>>146829157
fuck off gynocentric simp

>>146829192
I hate women just as much as the next purpose, asshole. I want men to be better and instead they'd rather jerk off all day instead of do anything healthy for themselves. Go to the fucking gym. Read a fucking book. Stretch. Go make a new friend out of a random stranger. Explore your surroundings. Pick up a new skill. Learn how to fight. Teach yourself survival skills.

Stop doing nothing and then act like it's all you can do.

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You guys are wrong, culture has always done what it has done. culture has always guided humans in a materialistic, opposite God and his great prestige, and that's it. The purpose of the media is to castigate a man's good spirit
just look at all postmodernism, anti-paternalism, feminism, deconstructivism, and finally, transgenderism, You are just so retarded that find out you are deceived
only God and good spirit can save human, culture is nothing but stupid rubbish,
and demons are laughing at you whose wandering in the wilderness with no salvation That's their purpose, cruel death is nothing more than a fleeting moment, too much tragedy and family death completely destroy a person's soul, as you slowly and painfully die, that's exactly what they want, that's their biggest joy

>>146829206
>just be a normalfag, it's that easy
Most people who end up in obsessive nerd culture had no other option, moron.

>>146829111

I think it's more like a vocal minority hate it, Anime, Manhwa, Euroco, etc. Being well recieved proves people still like it.

>>146829213
You are not special anon. The thousands of years of other genetic duds were able to do it. You are too, it's just easier than ever to give up and flop.

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>>146829213
You had your fucking options and you STILL have options.

>boo hoo I'm ugly
>get a better fucking haircut and learn to dress yourself you retard
>boo hoo I'm fat
>lose some weight you fatass
>boo hoo people at school make fun of me
>then beat the shit out of them
>boo hoo I'm autistic
>read books on how to talk to people you retard
>boo hoo I have a shitty personality
>then stop being a self-centered jackass

By Crom, you make me sick.

>>146828677
>Eltingville
This shit pushed the idea that there is a direct correlation between nerd douchebaggery and right wing extremism, and retards clap about how much of a scathing social critique it is.
Just take a look as the Steven Universe fandom, or any other female/minority centric fandom, and you will see them almost killing each other for any bullshit reason. They're no better than jerks who like comics/Star Wars/anime or anything similar.

This correlation never existed but people will keep writing paragraphs about how genius it is.

>>146829276
>t. too stupid to interpret media

>>146829332
>t. too stupid to pay attention to the author

>>146829218
A vocal minority they may be, but they're the vocal minority who wormed their way into power and are making the rest of us suffer.

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>>146829446
Wdym, western comics are full of it, its just cartoons and movies that dont.

>>146829250
>then beat the shit out of them
Just one question: how would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning?

Eltingville is just referential humor and characters who are assholes for no reason.
People only hold sentimental value over it because the animated pilot came in a time when nerds were desperate for representation even if it was blatantly negative.
After The Big Bang Theory and the normalization of geek culture it rings completely hollow.

>>146830227
The animated pilot sucks cock compared to the comics, though. It's too safe, dumbed-down and instead of them being treated like obsessive, violent spergs even among nerds they're just normal to them

Pete, Josh, and Jerry all got what they wanted out of life. It was Bill that ended up a poop pants.

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>>146830540
But they still do act like violent spergs in the pilot. They beat the shit outta each other and get into fights with security and that random kid at Thar b Toys

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>>146829157
>>146829206
>>146829250
>Genetic procreation is the litmus test for the measure of what makes a man redeemable in the world. Men who have interests and hobbies are an affront to the natural order of nature weeding out genetic refuse and society shelters the weak men from being vaporized into dust like they should be by the strong men who enjoy lifting weights and watching paint dry
>The weak men are morally corrupt because they jack off as a coping mechanism to being denied entry to intimacy and courtship either by genetic birth circumstances or imperfect upbringings in family resulting in social deficiency and therefore are inferior to women and the other stronger men as they are inherently weak and powerless and should be marked as undesirables
>Men who are not perfect and don't cater to my every whim should not exist
As someone who is proudly unregistered to vote/doesn't vote, you are exactly the fucking reason as to why Trump got re-elected.
Always funny how the people who you claim are weak and powerless are the first to be lined up in a ditch in the perfect world of you people.

>>146829207
... based

>>146829157
Agree, one tends to fetishize their interest whfn there is nothing else going on in your life. This guys only had fiction and nothing rlse, not even each other.

>>146829086
>I'm tired about both sides. The side that won't admit that there's something bad with modern media. And the other side saying that they're fighting for better quality, but that is full of hypocrisy and usually behave like the previous side in their own ways. And of course perverts are annoying. Many of them don't care about the franchises and will kill conversation by centering it around shallow topics
The unspoken blackpill about the culture war is that many people on both sides are legitimately only doing it because they desperately want online friends.

>>146829067
No, he made the strip to shit on fans of JLI because his BFF Dan Vado killed off Ice because he hated her because was more popular than Vado's preferred waifu Maxima and how Vado burnt through a good number of favors to ensure Ice woukd never be brought back, until Gail Simone found out about this deal and burnt a Queen For A Day card she buikt up to get Ice brought back

>>146828945
All four of them had fucked up family lives...

>>Bill is implied to have a former Chad and a former Stacy as parents, who actively despises the fact that they have a nerd for a son and go so far as pay a pair of big burly ex-nerds to destroy Bill's belongings and try and torture him into becoming "normal". The humiliation of having a loser son causes his parents to fight and Bill's dad to have affairs and ultimately leave his wife and son.

>>Josh is from a single mother home and basically is spoiled rotten by his mom ala Cartman to the point that she raised a sociopath.

>>Pete is from a single parent home, but only has a dad who hates nerd shit and horror films and who is a total buzz kill manly mab asshole who thinks being an adult means working a dead end manual labor job you hate and drinking yourself to sleep at night to cope with the gaping void in your life from being a soulless wage slave

>>Jerry has two parents and comes from money, but his dad is always traveling for work and doesn't give a shit about spending time with his son. Leaving Jerry in the grips of an emotionally abusive monster mom who threatens to poison Jerry's dad against his son if he doesn't obey her every whim.

>>146831356
Delicious, delicious pettiness

>>146830629
>But they still do act like violent spergs in the pilot.
Tonal differences and the fact that it's a cartoon. They don't take prescription drugs and violently hallucinate, nor is the impact as strong because they have this stupid scapegoat character made for the show for them to abuse. Which isn't as funny or messed-up as Bill threatening to violently kill his scared little brother while extorting him.

>>146831458
>who actively despises the fact that they have a nerd for a son and go so far as pay a pair of big burly ex-nerds to destroy Bill's belongings
Pretty sure his mom's single since the start and feels guilty about it, while Bill's a sociopath who doesn't care about anyone so long as he gets his way. The intervention tactic was just the last attempt to try to wean him off of being a spaz but he was too autistic and psychotic and the two guys were too mentally weak to break him.
>Josh is from a single mother home
His parents are together in the comics and they give him shit for being a fat nerd constantly, especially since his mom has a heart attack twice over shit he pulled.
>Pete is from a single parent home
He's the only Italian-American Catholic in the group so he's got brothers and both parents living under the same roof. His parents also give him the most amount of shit out of all the four's parents.
>erry has two parents and comes from money, but his dad is always traveling for work and doesn't give a shit about spending time with his son
He's got the most normal household which is why he's the most stable out of the three and doesn't do stupid shit as much as the other three do.

>>146829157
I really despise niggers like you, that see a group of man who don't fit the mold.
That don't Woodwork and use Beard oils and drink the hecking black rifle coffee or any of the corpo approved verisons of manhood, and call them failures.

>>146831778
Performative masculinity is the only thing worse than soiboyism.

>>146828677
The other guys drove Bill insane. Everyone knows that Bill is the worst one, but it's obvious that these guys, Joe and everyone else ruined nerd hobbies for him and caused him to snap. Josh and Pete were always egomaniac parasites, and jerry was always a spineless dweeb. Bill probably would have been a decent person if he'd not surrounded himself with awful people. That's why Bill is the worst - he's the ultimate example of how Fandom ruins a human being

>>146828677
My dad first got into comics way back in the 70s.
He once told me the first time he saw some random in the street wearing a Wolverine t-shirt it ruined his day.

>>146828677
Eltingville is good despite its gay ass bitch of a creator.
Total faggot, that guy.
The pilot was dogshit though. Completely failed to capture the charm of the comic, the people that like that shit probably also watch Clone High

>>146828677
It was fine until Dorkin sperged out in the last two stories

>>146832877
This must be what OG Mirage fans felt about Turtlemania
I cannot blame them but dammit Turtlemania was my early childhood

>>146828677
You just know if they were around in the 2020s half of them would transition. HRT hit lonely virgin nerds so hard.

>>146833062
Which half?

>>146833101
Jerry and Josh

>>146831356
And Dorkin's think WE'RE the petty ones.

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>>146831356
The more I understand how absolutely petty and insane the creative minds behind cape comics are, the more I understand the real reason they profess to hate their nerdy readers so much; They see far too much of themselves in the, they just have a false sense of superiority convincing them otherwiese

>>146828945
You don't need a complex backstory to imagine that 4 guys that are all kinda assholes would be friends with each other because other people don't want to hang out with them.

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Where did they go right?

>>146829173
Eh that was what caused all current eltingville threads to be as bad as they are

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>>146831356
The funny thing is that if the pissed off fans had just stated their grievances in a feminist way, Vado/Dorkin wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
I see some of them do try to make the attempt these days, but it rings as false, of course the pros still ignore them.

>>146833504
Really? I would assume it was Piskor naming him in the note.

>>146833306
Based plan from josh as long as he's actually trying to write good stories and not just crash and burn characters he doesn't like

>>146833569
Nah i was around from the eltingville storytime from a few years ago and every thread on the topic these days is basically what's above this post and a lot of guys pretending to be women ERPing about Bill. There's usually some quality discussion here and there but you gotta look for it.

>>146829250
>boo hoo people at school make fun of me
>then beat the shit out of them
I mean easier said than done if they all jump you at the same time. Plus teachers always try and stop people from doing that.

>>146833738
Wrong, they don't try to stop it at all. They wait until it's over and then punish the one getting bullied while the actual bully gets a slap on the wrist at most.

>>146833790
True.

>>146833738
>Plus teachers always try and stop people from doing that.
All things considered fights rarely happen these days, at least between boys. My time working in a school it was always girls. Boys fight outside of school because they know they'll get the book thrown at them if they do it in school.

>>146829123
>DC
What was the story behind that again? I know Dorkin knew some people and those writers made some continuity mistakes at the time? Or was it that pretentious guy who wrote Identity Crisis with the rape controversy? Like did that guy get death threats and then Dorkin decided to write this? Or were they death threats for like minor continuity stuff with some characters? Because either way that's crazy to send threats over that stuff so I get why Dorkin decided to knock fans down a peg but also he probably knew a one-sided argument works better as a short series. He would run out of ideas eventually if he decided none of them would grow at all.

>>146834083
>>146831356
Ah fuck my bad for not reading the thread before I made that post, jannies you can decide if you want to do your job or eat hot pockets, your call. Damn fucking Dorkin is still true to some degree but this type of shit is like a much lesser degree of hollow words coming from Gaiman.

Were we outcasts because we were into comics or were we into comics because we were outcasts?

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It's crazy to think that the last 15 years of comics have left us in a position where the hyper aggressive turbo autist nerd strawmen of yesteryear would be legitimately preferable to who we have running things now.

>>146834165
Yeah, at least they were just opinionated assholes, not sociopathic demagogues that actively hate the hobby and everyone in it.

>>146829157
You hit the nail on the head.
Incels are mad at you

>>146835059
Yeah, I didn't see anything controversial in there.

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>>146833317
Even putting aside the issue of assholery that's kind of how things were for most fans of "geek stuff." Fantasy, Comic, Sci Fi, Horror etc fans all gravitated together because they didn't fit in with the other cliques. So even if you were only a fan of say COMICS, well the comic shop is where the DnD stuff was also sold so you were at least partly aware of it through that. Not to mention how many ads got printed in comics for this stuff.

>>146835059
Fuck off tranny

>>146833604
He's spending his time worming his way into the industry to write his own fics, of course he's going to focus on spiting people

How is Josh any worse than what we've seen from the established bigwigs? Reeks of projection, honestly.

>>146829111
Cheesecake is fine and even good if you don't use it as an excuse for other low quality aspects of a work and then support the work purely for the Cheesecake, unless its something where the sex appeal is the point.

>>146828817
The last panel is irony. The entire point of the club is being obsessive and having arguments about smashing action figures together. With the exception of Jerry, they're all genuinely happy being unhappy

>>146836910
Josh is the worst one. I know Dorkin wants us to think Bill is the worst because Bill is his proxy but how many of the classic stories are moved along by "Josh is a fat fucking asshole"?

>>146837703
Pete is a literal pyromaniac and sex pest though.

>>146829157
>>146829206
What kind of dumb virgin thinks that going to the gym or reading changes you?
/fit/ is full of autists that can't hold a conversation but could bend rebar with their hands. /lit/ is full of autodidact spazzes that have read themselves into schizophrenia and delusion.
You can't 'hobby' your way out of being a dumb autistic introvert. Only people that are preaching about stuff they don't actually do think that.

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>>146834124
I suspect we would have been outcasts regardless. Finding comics was just some alternative we could fall back onto and rely on. It could have just as easily been Star Trek/Wars or any number of things. But we suddenly weren't gonna become captain of the Basketball force. I think Fry put it best.

>>146828949
Star Wars Christmas Special was 1978.

It's way overblown. It's dull and no fun but that's about it.

>>146829157
>They went wrong the second they started using their shared interests and passions as a substitute for meaningful or healthy socialization or positive development. The biggest problem facing geeky men is that most of the time, they develop obsessions over fiction as a coping mechanism for social ineptitude
This is why the best satire in the entire series is when they watch an episode of The Twilight Zone they've never seen before and accidently react to it as a piece of drama instead of a nerd fetish object...for a few seconds.

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>>146831356
>>146833306
Do you think Bendis made Iceman gay to make sure no future writers would ever pair him with Kitty again?

>>146833495
the eltingville club is a bunch of pissant grognards, the anime club legitimately got screwed over.

>>146839533
But Mort did bring a porno to the library.

>>146834124
i knew a chad who was into obscure anime, everyone loved him

>>146839388
Bendis is petty enough that I'd thoroughly believe it if that were the case

>>146830540
>It's too safe, dumbed-down
Yeah, that's how TV standards and practices work retard.

>>146840944
The real chadness is making your cringy shit work and not being ashamed of anything.

>>146835891
>Automated TRANNYTRANNYTRANNYTRANNY response triggered
Yeah Hit the nail on the head. Twice.

>>146828878
If you want actual writers you need comics to pay a livable wage. Which is impossible for all but 1% of them. Not that it matters with the death spiral being what It is I doubt comics will be around much longer since they've failed to adapt and evolve.

>>146829157
Spot on, but the comic isn't 100% cynical, it celebrates people who use these interests to create and meet others

>>146828677
>wrong
being an angry obsessive nerd is based

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>>146829191
>for the purpose of trying to see which fictional women could be argued as being lesbian.

Criticism of the male centric action movies of the 80s is pretty much baked into the comic.

>>146828945
>Josh's family is fucked up because they encourage him to behave normally and go to school for something useful
no you're right anon they should absolutely just let their obese son keep hanging out with a bunch of creeps who make fun of him and get him so riled up he starts wrecking their home

>>146829157
This is the first correct post in the thread and you can tell because it instantly made defensive Eltingville types sperg out and say you're wrong

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>>146829276
Wrong, bitch. Your thesis is immediately disproven by Jerry, who Dorkin depicts as much more well adjusted and able to enjoy and share media without letting it consume his entire life. He isn't an entitled screeching man-baby who complains that the stories aren't the same as they were when he was a kid. He even suggests, "if we think the product will be bad, how about we just don't consume it?" and the others sperg out about how they have to.

>>146830910
>I voted for Trump because he'll protect and uplift me even though I'm a weenie who doesn't get pussy
Donald Trump would despise you, he despises weakness and self pity. He's a huge germaphobe bitch but he understands better than anyone that you need to act like you're the smartest, toughest man in the room to get anywhere in life

>>146831778
See this is exactly your problem, and it's the core critique of the comic: these guys define themselves by the products they consume. Being a normal guy doesn't mean buying a bunch of specific products, it means having work to do and forming relationships with friends and family, and not signaling to the world around you what kind of guy you are by buying all the correct items

>>146833495
At the end of the day they support each other and Mort specifically apologizes to his friends because he listens and acknowledges he'd been kind of a psycho

>>146839116
>bases his entire worldview on other 4chan posters
touch. grass.

>>146828677
They were consoomers in place of being developed people.

>>146843738
>No, how dare you have a group identity, we all need to be atomized individuals who rely on no one and expect nothing from anyone else. If you elect the strongest of you to act on your behalf then you're doing something morally wrong!
Boy it'd sure be groovy as fuck if it worked that way wouldn't it? I'm sure that you expect exactly the same of every other group identity.

>>146843788
>4chan poster thinks that he can just exercise and it'd make him normal
>doesn't realize that there is an entire forum of people just like him on the same site
>4chan poster thinks he can just educate himself on the humanities and literature and it will make him normal
>doesn't realize there are an entire forum of people like him on the same site
This is one of those 'memento mori'-equivalent moments where you have to realize how you aren't special and there are thousands and thousands of autists that have done the same things you have and all of them have already failed in the same ways that you will.

>>146836503
But you can be spiteful while still trying to write a good story. It's only a problem if he's more concerned with shitting on people than producing quality work.

>>146833495
They're assholes without being villains and to be fair the other anime club is painfully accurate and can go die in a fire. t. tried to join that club in high school and didn't attend the second meeting
>>146840896
Anon we've been over this

>>146844572
Given the track record of comic book writers, combined with his personality, he'd be the type of guy focused exclusively on shitting on people's preferences

>>146844657
If that's the case, which I'm sure dorkin would make it, then he is definitely in the wrong for his career. I personally would love nothing more than to write great fiction to piss off people that disagree with my (correct) opinions.