People make fun of this and it seems to get parodied a lot but I just watched it and it's actually a great adaptation.
>>146831381better than bakshi lord of the rings?
>>146832631Easily. I wish Rankin Bass had done the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy instead of awkwardly making Return of the King as a standalone sequel to their Hobbit movie.
>>146832651guess i could check it out then also same
>>146831381i like bearded elrond, very cute
>>146832651They had to cut it down pretty severe just adapting one book.Although I do appreciate the book accurate Witch King design
>>146832679The elf and goblin designs were interesting interpretations.
>>146831381>People make fun of this and it seems to get parodied a lotwhere?
>>146833120Basically just Smiling Friends.
>>146833120Not OP but I can think of two parodies of this:Lemmywinks from South Park and the Enchanted Forest episode of Smiling Friends. But as a massive animated Hobbit fan I didn't see any malice in them.
>>146831381There are no good Tolkien adaptations.
>>146831381Agreed, OP. I like the animated Hobbit WAY better than the live-action trilogy. It's a little rushed, but it's much more faithful to the lighthearted folk-tale spirit of the book, and it doesn't have anything retarded like shit-faced Radagast, or an entire movie dedicated to the Battle of the Five Armies.
>>146831381One thing I couldn't shake and what got very apparent by the second half is that the animation was directed by a Japanese company.While it masks itself well in the first half, by the time Smaug's burning down the city it's just full of that early 70's Japan energy and I end up enjoying it more. Easily one of the best "hidden anime" next to Rankin-Bass's other work.
>>146833282Shut up fag
Look at the effects, god DAMN!
>>146832679I like the bulldog orcs, the feline Smaug and of course waifu Eowyn in RotK>>146833386Oh yeah it definitely has a Japanese flair to it
Gollum on this movie was also freaky. I kind of prefer this Gollum over the Serkis Gollum, if only because you're probed with the question of "what the fuck happened to this guy?". Serkis Gollum's still good but there isn't enough of that spooky gusto that the Rankin-Bass Gollum hasThe Rankin-Bass Hobbit just feels more cohesive if a bit quick compared to the Jackson Hobbit, which as a kid I felt dragged on a bit too much
>>146833556Jackson's Hobbit basically tried to use a single chapter as the basis for a whole movie. Although I'm sure that was more an executive-level decision than anything else.
>>146833610Hadn't looked it up in a while so I just did. Two hours and fifty minutes. Jesus Christ, I'm surprised I sat through that in the theatre as a kid. Yeah the Rankin-Bass Hobbit has that one beat
>>146833517Why does he have x-ray vision?
>>146833672I like them generally but every Jackson movie gets way too caught up in epic CG battlezzz
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>>146833737Based.
>>146833672>look up runtimes because surely you must have referenced extended cut not theatrical>each movie is 2.5+ hours even without deleted scenes>at least 9.5 hours in theaters to watch 3 movies
>>146833693I assume that's the light from his eyeballs. One cool thing is that it seems like they airbrushed every single frame to give it that transparent effect (which must've took an ungodly amount of time)
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>>146833784Truth be told I genuinely don't recall much of when I saw it at the theatre. All I can remember is it was the most congested movie I had ever seen, it felt like they were three movies smooshed into one. I never had that feeling with the Rankin-Bass movie, it just *tells* a story to you instead of talking a story at you
>>146833811>it felt like they were three movies smooshed into one. That's kinda how some movies are to save time, they will basically write 4 to 6 episodes and smush them together. Yu-Gi-Oh Capsule monsters did that. Very interesting to think about.
>>146833556I feel Serkis Gollum worked for the more pitiful version of the character that we see in Two Towers. But I did not like how he was used in the first Jackson Hobbit movie, especially compared to the Rankin-Bass Hobbit. Riddles in the Dark is meant to be a creepy and atmospheric chapter in the book, which the Rankin-Bass version does a fine effort of emulating. The Jackson adaptation of the chapter has no real tension to it, and comes across more like it's going "HEY MOVIE-GOING AUDIENCE, IT'S GOLLUM! GOLLUM'S BACK! YOU ALL LOVE GOLLUM, REMEMBER WHAT A GOOFY GOOBER THIS GUY WAS?">>146833784That wouldn't have been a problem if the movies were good, The Lord of the Rings extended edition trilogy is even longer watching them back to back. Granted The Hobbit never should've been split into a trilogy in the first place (two movies at most but Rankin-Bass showed you can do one movie just fine) so it's hard to imagine a scenario where they're that long and good to begin with, but still.
>>146833861There's room for both.
>>146833861I do recall the Jackson version of the Gollum scene feeling kind of out of place. When I watched it in the theatre, it kind of felt like Gollum was just... there? Bilbo's just waddling in the cave when whoopsie he put the ring on and takes off to Gollum who by this point had read the cue card to start gibbering, because as we all know that's our boy, Gollum... That tone didn't really work in The Hobbit.Whereas in Rankin-Bass Hobbit you have Bilbo stumbling across this haggardly guy and it's all tense and spooky with Gollum being this total murderous gremlin, and when Bilbo pulls out the ring he just goes fucking ballistic. That's a more understandable tone, it goes in with the knowledge that this is the first time you've seen this... thing. But Jackson Gollum I think plays too hard into the viewer already knowing about Gollum and as such there's a little bit of that magic that gets lost
>>146831381Where there's a whip, there's a wayWhere there's a whip, there's a wayWhere there's a whipWe don't wanna go to war today (There's a way)But the Lord of the Lash says: "nay, nay, nay!" (Where there's a whip, there's a way)
>>146833784It was practically made for fanedit culture to chop it down. Even my late mother's take on the first Hobbit movie was "Film editing classes should make chopping the three Hobbit movies down to one an actual assignment".
>>146833120My older brother said it was shit and he couldn't stop laughing the entire time. But he's also kind of an idiot
>>146833881>>146833951That's cool. I love when studios do their own unique versions.
>>146833990>CHIP THE GLASSES, CRACK THE PLATES >THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES>THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES>SO CAREFULLY, CAREFULLY WITH THE PLATES>BLUNT THE KNIVES AND BEND THE FORKS>SMASH THE BOTTLES, BURN THE CORKS>THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES>SO CAREFULLY, CAREFULLY, WITH THE PLATES!
>>146831381The animation was done in Japan. It's more in tune with the book than the Peter Jackson adaptation. Definitely a Rankin/Bass classic
>>146834259Japanese stop motion is the greatest isn't it?
>>146831381I lost my shit laughing at the song where Bilbo is dreaming about having a picnic under a tree and he and Sam wave gayly at a friendly orc who waves back
>>146834065>Far over the Misty Mountains cold>To dungeons deep and caverns old>We must away, ere break of day>To seek our pale enchanted gold
>>146834302One of the best scenes if I recall.
This reminds me that there's a clip from this movie I've been trying to find for a while: The one where Bilbo is trying to think of all the comforts of home.
so goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C0jfB8QTbo
>>146834393The animation is still stellar.
It's impressive how far you can get on sincerity
>>146834648The scene after this is an absolute MASTERPIECE of 70's sound design. It's too bad that the DVD version has a broken audio track, because the original has these amazing sounds to accentuate the stabs (and is the earliest iteration of that Cartoon Network sound effect I used to hear).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u400KHZXpI8
>>146834773Who distributed it? Cause I remember the same thing happened on the mission hill DVD where the music was louder than the vocals.
>>146834847Warner Bros, it's a bit strange that most of their 2000s releases had audio bugs scattered throughout.
>>146834773>>146834884Did they just phone the DVD release in? Like you got missing sound effects and plenty more and they thought it was ok?
>>146834942The Hobbit was distributed by a few companies in the DVD age, but the broken audio resides on Warner Bros.'s DVD of the film.The strange part is this did affect other Rankin-Bass films to a degree, but with the Hobbit, one of my buds thinks that it's the remnants of a 5.1 upmix that went terribly wrong where half of the sound's stems are literally missing. The film DID get a BD but it still has the broken audio. When and if it gets a 4K release I hope that they actually fix the audio because when I watched it on a stream with a few buds half of the sound was just missing
>>146834287Yeah it is. Alot of their holiday specials were animated by nippons.
>>146831381Hobbit, last Unicorn and flight of the dragons. The trifecta of fantasy.
>DOWN DOWN TO GOBLIN TOWN>YOU GO MY LAD>HO HO MY LAD
>>146831381I watch this every Saint Patrick's day. The perfect movie to get me in the right mood.
>>146833282WRONG (the BBC radio play is good)
>>146836560ohh i fucking love those, and they dont cut out my nigga glorfindel
>>146835240Blade with whom I have lived. Blade with whom I now die...
>>146831381>People make fun of this and it seems to get parodied i mean, i think that comes from a place of love, i thought everyone liked it, i never got the impression that anyone didnt, that was always the minority in my mind>>146833131he did it because he liked it so much, if he didnt he wouldnt have bothered or gone through the effort
>>146831381I like how the first paragraph in the first book in Lord of the Rings spells out plainly that hobbits do not look like midgets, then everyone in the 70s and 80s always draws them to look like midgets any fucking way.
>>146832686I did wonder why Jackson did not give him the glowy eyes when he seemed to really like senseless flashyness and overdone effects.
>>146831381It's so easy not to try...
>>146831381Not really sure why Rankin Bass thought elves were basically lanky gremlins.
>>146833610It's weird seeing the Jackson Hobbit movies becomes progressively worse as they go on. The initial parts of Unexpected Journey were okay enough. They were more annoying for the constant references to things from the old trilogy. But Desolation of Smaug started out barely watchable and became pure shit inn the last 40 minutes. Battle of 5 Armies is just sad anime inspired videogame cutscene shit. and it just plain not watchable from start to finish.
>>146831381I absolutely love this movie. I watched it over and over as a kid.
>>146833784The last 45 minutes of Desolation of Smaug is 100% made up shit that was never in any book. All of that cat and mouse with Smaug and the giant gold statue, all bullshit. It was only added to maintain that slightly under 3 hours run time for some fucking reason.
>>146833861>Take a book that is overall smaller than Fellowship of the Ring>Stretch it out over 3 movies with a slightly longer run time than the Lord of the Rings trilogy.I don't know how much of this was Jackson and how much of this was New Line demanding another new LOTR trilogy all over again. But the plan failed and it made the LOTR trilogy look bad as well as Jackson look like he couldn't do it any more.
>>146836410 crush smack whip crack smash grab pinch nab
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>>146832733The goblins are horrible frog demon monsters that could bite your head off and I love them.
>mogs modern slop at anime Rohirrim
>>146838827The original plan was 2 movies, but Jackson actually pushed it to 3. So, yeah, it'd end up bloated anyway, but Jackson didn't help.
>>146838023>i never got the impression that anyone didnt, that was always the minority in my mindworst case I notice people tend to forget it existed. They were certainly in no rush to advertise it when the Jackson Trilogy was stinking up theaters anyways. Which seems a waste but execs are certainly not about to call attention to better alternatives.
>>146832631slamming your dick in a drawer is better than Bakshi's LOTR
>>146838593Wood elves, sir. The depiction of Elrond was far more flattering.
>>146839160Sir, that's clearly Cirdan.
>>146839160Beholding the light of the two trees really does do a lot for them,
>>146832686I disliked the high-pitched voice he has, though.
>>146839151Wtf? I'm watching right now and it has a charm to itself
>>146839151>>146839314The Bakishi film is interesting if nothing else
>>146839146They already paraded around all the animated Hobbit and LOTR movies on a variety of channels back in 2002 and 03 when the LOTR movies were in theaters. No point in trying again and ten years later.
>>146838794They wanted to get more mileage out of Smaug since they insisted on starting the third movie with his death. When the project was going to be two movies instead of three, the split point was them meeting Bard after escaping the elves in the barrels.
>>146839151>Isn't it a shame that Bilbo didn't kill Gollum?>Yes.
>>146839322This is actually the origin of ring wraiths "sniffing" for the ring, which the Jackson films cribbed.
>>146839348I read the book again recently and it always astounds me just how short the battle of five armies actually is.
smiling friends btfo'd this & it never recovered
>>146839288I think the voice is weirdly appropriateHe has no human vocal cords, having his voice being a shrieking projection fitsSame as Skeletor
>>146839373Retard
>>146839384sorry i was high when i made that post
>>146839368I actually like the nazgul here better, they are more intimating as jerky shadow people than just plain ghosts in armor
>>146839407I was always a little unsure just how the Witch King could go set himself up as the king of Angmar when he was a screeching shadow monster thing that rarely displayed any intelligence or ability to talk.
>>146839427Even Rankin Bass kinda played it as a "He does both" thing like when he's making weird electronically distorted noises when commanding the trolls in charge of Grond.
>>146839322His Nazgûl go pretty fucking hard here.
>>146839391>I was going to make a good post on 4chan>but then I got high
>>146839381Him having some kind of inhuman voice makes sense but I don't like the final choice. He sounds silly rather than intimidating, which is actually the direction that Skeletor went in.
>>146833517Peter Jackson made Smaug look catlike in his Hobbit specifically as an homage to the R&B version.
>>146839531Skeletor, the voice, the whole evil overlord vibe - it defined a generation of villainy in animation. He was simple, yet effective, and his rivalry with He-Man was legendary.But here's the thing, the 2000s Skeletor? That was a different beast. They took what worked in the 80s and amped it up. The design was more menacing, more detailed, and somehow, they managed to make him even more of a character. His backstory got fleshed out, giving him this tragic anti-hero edge that wasn't there before. The voice acting? Top notch. It added layers to his personality that made you kind of root for him, in a way.Not saying the 80s Skeletor was bad, far from it. He was the blueprint, the original evil mastermind we all knew and loved to hate. But the 2000s version took what was good and made it better for modern audiences. It's like comparing a classic black-and-white film to its color remaster - both have their charm, but the newer one just feels more alive.So, respect to the original, but the 2000s Skeletor brought something new to the table that was equally, if not more, enjoyable.
>>146839118shes cool she just isnt in a whole lot in the special
>>146839151the only bad part about it for me is that it doesnt really end and just stops because it doesnt adapt the rest, it just sucks getting to the end after being invested the whole movie up to that point and like oh thats it
>>146839619That's usually how it is with most adaptions. It's very underwhelming
>>146839619There was some confusion as to whether or not there would be a sequel as I understand. They needed to have SOME kind of ending because they weren't sure they'd get to do RoTK. It didn't sound like the suits knew what was even being pitched either.
>>146839118Is she described as attractive in the book?
>>146839653"Very fair was her face, and her long hair was like a river of gold."
Bard is my favorite character, he's cool as fuck
>>146839774
>>146839160>Elrond is a wood elfNo the fuck he is not. The elves of lothlorien are.
>>146839833Nice reading comprehension, fuck knuckle.
>>146839833Lothlorien, wood elf, same thing.
>>146839368That’s not true. The very first black rider makes a sniffing sound that haunts the hobbits, Frodo in particular, all throughout the first book.
>>146839653Not quite as beautiful as Galadriel or Goldberry but she’s supposed to be quite pretty
>>146839874Not to speak ill of the dead, but I think Professor Tolkien had a different concept of beauty than we do now. Eowyn was probably a 6. Because if pic is Luthien and everyone else in the world is worse than that, well. It wouldn't take long.
>>146839910Give her a modern hairstyle and outfit and she’s easily mogging the average woman. You only say she’s a 6 because she’s dressed like a grandma.
>>146839930I think she's fine as is, but I don't have a strong taste for women. I am ok as long as they love me.
Why dwarves women have beards?>>146839874What did she even sees in Aragorn?>>146839765Maybe it's me but I feel that Jackson should gotten a different actress.
>>146839930Oh yeah, Edith is a solid 8.
>>146839910>guy refers to his wife as beautiful and extremely loosely bases the most beautiful of all elves on her and since I think she’s not that pretty in a 106 year old picture that means he didn’t know what beauty was and so the characters he refers to as beautiful are actually probably ugly You’re not actually being serious right? Or are you really this autistic?
>>146839949>Maybe it's me but I feel that Jackson should gotten a different actress.To be fair, there's not much to work with when multiple women are described as the hottest bitch who ever lived.
>>146839910Yeah like you could do better.
>>146839949>what did she see in the future king of all menBeside that Aragorn has a commanding presence and a reputation that precedes him. >Maybe it's me but I feel that Jackson should gotten a different actressName the actress you would have chosen so I can laugh at how absurd it would have looked
>>146839957I'll admit it, I have never seen that picture before. I thought she was much plainer.
>>146839969I mean maybe as a loli.
>>146839978Wtf?
>>146839952Explain how?
>>146831381>People make fun of thisNo. People tend to genuinely love this movie.It's one of the most soulful pieces of animation ever made.the bakshi movie though is utterly repulsive. passable maybe as a fuckin radio drama because it is an outright assault upon the eyes.
>>146839978Dawg...
>>146839996Symmetrical face, clear skin, not fat, thick head of hair.
>>146839978Based.
>>146840015Also she seems to have mystical purple eyes. This is pre-photoshop so she just looked like that.
>>146839978
I did not like The Hobbit book very much, so this movie was an improvement. Cutting out all the filler in Mirkwood and Beorn ex machina did wonders.
>>146840054You're a pud.
>>146839976>Name the actressEither Jessica Alba, Britney Spears, or Rachel Weisz
>>146840060It's the damndest thing, all the problems people had with the Jackson movies existed in the books in different ways. Just instead of big drawn out battles, there was a lot of shenanigans and repetitive scenes. Hobbit has a tone problem, one minute it's children's fantasy and then the real plot of stopping Sauron from metting Smaug pokes its head out from the corner and it becomes epic fantasy.
>>146839641I don’t know if it’s just nostalgia (for the broad aesthetic, never actually watched it) or not, but something about cel animation just feels so charming
>>146839641>>146839151You guys remember that old abridged version of the movie that was on YouTube a long time ago? I wonder what happened to the guys that made it, they were talented.
>>146839976>see in the future king of all menPretty sure she didn't know that part.
>>146838593Rankin Bass Wood elves are tree frog men who speak Yiddish in Japanese accents.
>>146840103If nothing else, the background cels are legitimately stellar.
>>146839118She is a cutie
Are people being sarcastic when saying this has good animation and sound design? I really can't tell.
>>146840306no?
>>146840277Didn't she fall for Faramir?
>>146833517That looks like shit
>>146840327He can wait. She’s my wife first.
>>146838593>>146840155All of a sudden Valinor doesn't seem all that amazing when I realize it's full of blue frog/Yoda mutants that look more gobliney than the goblins. Place has to look like a Gremlins infestation happened.
>>146840081An absolute pud
>>146840327Not only did she fall for Faramir the fact that she did was the only thing that was able to save her from darkness. Most adaptations don't go into it but after the battle of the witch king she was FUUUUUUUUUUCKED UP.
>>146840500Proof.
>>146840529Read the book.
>>146840370It works well with the way the elves are portrayed in The Hobbit; supiscious, secretive, assholes.
>>146840548What's the chances of her falling for Boromir if he survived amon hen?
>>146840370Rankin Bass really just took any and every liberty when it came to the character design. In a book that goes very out of its way to describe almost everyone except Sauron. RB decided to ignore every bit of it. >Starting with Thorin's company basically being more Disney Snow White dwarves>Frog/Bulldog goblins>Long leg Yoda smurfs sylvian elves>Midget Hobbits>cat Smaug
>>146840637Probably not as likely. Book Faramir is purest good boy.
>>146840641>Literally every word about Bombur was about how fat he was. Like it was almost constant. He really wanted you to know just how goddamn fat that dwarf was. >And Bombur who was so fat he could be considered the sixth army
>>146839064with two throats
>>146840641>>146840370I didn't mind the crazy designs. It made the film unique.
>>146833556>prefer this Gollum over the Serkis Gollumsame. crazy frogman Gollum = best Gollum
>>146841670Golum! Golum I say!
>>146831381Not really. It takes out chunks of the book & eliminates what little personality the dwarves actually got in the book. The character designs are also just ugly.
>>146836410>>146838996I really liked Jacksons version of this song that was cut from the theatrical release.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzjb-OcmXI
>>146832651Would've been amusing to see a Legolas in the Rankin/Bass style of Elf.
>>146839910She's kinda cute.
Bump
OK, another thing I'll say about the R-B Hobbit. The voice acting is really good! Gandalf, Bilbo and Smaug in particular are my favorites. I also really like the portrayal of Gollum in this.
>>146831381true
>>146834393Always loved the narration here; it really feels like the days of olde in a way Jackson's doesn't
>>146831381Why do people make fun of it? I enjoyed it a lot as a kid.The songs in the animated Hobbit/LotR films were also fun. A buddy and I even made " where there's a whip, *whip crack* there's a way" into a quote we somehow use relatively regularly.
>>146831381Bard the guardsman sounds like aptain Murphy from sealab 2021 and I can't stop imagining Murphy in the Hobbit
>>146846742I imagine Tolkien himself would have liked there to be more songs across the live action stuff
>>146831381It gets parodied a lot because people love it. When I was a kid it was the only movie besides the Star Wars films that me and my brothers could recite from memory.
>>146831381I didn't even know this was a thing
>>146846742That song is a genuine banger
