THE SITE WILL BE UPDATING EVERY DAY FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS!Kat gets to work.
>>146898793HOT
>and that's when Annie started to get really terrible
>>146899038Do you guys think Ring of Fire actually hates Annie or does she understand her and is simply frustrated by her?I wish we got more characterization of her.
>>146898793Thick lines would really go well here.
>>146898793Annie a cute. CUTE!
>>146899073See this is what I mean when I say that Gunnerkrigg always goes for the anticlimax. We should realistically have seen a fiery chimpout after everything Tony put her through in this chapter, but it didn't happen. We've NEVER gotten a fiery chimpout, at least not since way back in The Fire Spike.
>>146899111>>146899073Do you suppose Ring of Fire has any kind of control over Annie? Is she even real, like, does she have agency, or just a metaphor for Annie's emotions?
>>146899073I've always assumed it was just visual shorthand for annie's mental state. Being a distinct intelligence without any agency would be pretty fucking weird
>>146899073>Annie being terrible to herself
>>146899192>>146899197I don't know, the way she acted, it certainly seemed like Ring of Fire was an intelligent being. Like, for example, that time she tried to burn the photo of Tony. We saw her in her room without Annie. That scene could of course be explained as RoF being locked up is really just visual language that mirrors how Annie is keeping herself confined in the room, but it always felt to me like RoF was meant to be its own, seperate entity from Annie.
>>146898793>friends in their own weird wayclosest Tom is ever gonna come to flat out saying she got the knot.
>>146899038>>146899073>>146899197fuck off trolls
>>146898793bump
>>146898793Bump
>>146901052>>146901541bump for what?
>>146898793Damn this is the closest we get to Annie feet in a while
>>146901833Kat's starving
Who'd win in a fight, Annie or Jentry Chau?
>>146902588>Annie if she was hot and popular and people depended on herYeah, Annie would snap her like a twig.
>>146902588nice that I wasn't the only one to think of it
>>146903102It's funny how she's basically the polar opposite of Annie.
>>146899111Gunnerkrigg doesn't deliberately go for anticlimax. Tom is just able to write set-ups but not pay-offs, and has no real motive to wrap up the story. It's a common problem for long-running webcomics. To us it feels like anticlimax, because we remember the comic being good so when the resolutions fall flat we feel let down. But this comic was never actually good, it was all foreshadowing - the expectation of a future pay-off was part of the experience and as we've been repeatedly taught that's never going to happen.
>>146903317No, he definitely enjoys doing anticlimaxes.
>>146903331Yeah, the very first chapters were anticlimaxes.>What to do with Shadow? Oh take him outside.>Run into a minotaur on a school assignment? Don't worry, he's chill
>>146903717Yeah, it's clearly just Tom's thing, not an inability to write. He's just taken it too far and it has become very frustrating.
>>146902588what was that
>>146899192look at him go!
>>146904202Yeah, it’s one thing to use anticlimax to conclude episodic stories about weird things happening at Annie’s weird school, but doing it for every long arc with many chapters of dramatic buildup just gets tiring
>>146904241It's a new cartoon about taoist magic and stuff, with a really hot and cute fire wielding gen z heroine.
>>146904401https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-YHSXibYxcCheck out the OP if nothing else, it's pretty dope.
>>146904415look nic->set in the US>rapping
>>146904415This seems to check all the Marysue checklist items.
>>146904471Nah, Annie is definitely more of a Mary Sue than her, I'd say.>>146904456Yeah, it's a very modern gen z american suburban teen romance.
Has she fucked herself yet?
>>146904501I also don't know if I'd recommend it yet. I've only seen two episodes and it has some really nice moments (The style, the artwork, the (human) characters), but it also has a bunch of cringe (largely related to the jiang shi mascot character, but also a fair amount of writing overly relies on tropes as shortcuts and there's a couple of moments that really fall flat or don't quite make sense)It is CERTAINLY an above average show, but that doesn't mean all that much nowadays
>>146904540Annie can not fuck. The universe forbids it.
>>146904540Only in fanart ;-;
>>146904456 I don't like rapping or Americans either, but it was a solid show. I expected to hate it. It got rescued from the mediocrity of its premise by just being sort of generically competent across the board.
>>146904501>Nah, Annie is definitely more of a Mary Sue than her, I'd say.But Annie is a failure machine, she achieves nothing compared to Kat, her teachers, her father, even Zimmy.
>>146904859Mary Sue just means "female protagonist", from the Farsi "ghe-HARMAN ZAN". The old trekkie zine character sharing the same name is just a coincidence and unfortunate piece of folk etymology. If you observe how people actually use the term, rather than listening to the armchair prescriptivists' definitions, it very obviously refers to literally any female main character regardless of how they're written, plus the occasional real living woman.
>>146905228That's a retarded take.There's a clear perception of what is and isn't a Mary Sue and it's not unique to female characters either. Rey Palpatine: Mary Sue, Ellen Ripley: Not a Mary Sue, Jack Hyland: Gary Stu, Janet Llanwellyn: Not a Mary Sue.
>>146905374Your opinion is already at odds with most of the internet: Jack Hyland can't be a Gary Stu because Jack Hyland isn't a protagonist. Or so one might say. But actually, you're perfectly right. Protagonist, side character, male, female, who cares? They're all Mary Sues and none of them.
>>146905472>>146905228>um actually nothing means anythingYou're a fucking moron.
>>146905567Do you understand you're being mocked or do you think you're having a sincere disagreement?
>>146905723>He doesn't even understand the brilliant irony of my post
>>146905870Is that a yes or a no? Everyone here is anonymous, there's no need for embarrassment, nothing you say will connect to you in any way. When you said "um actually nothing means anything", were you trying to do a witty parody or a witty double-reverse ironic parody? What parity of irony are we looking at here?
>>146904795is it by the same studio that made moon girl?
>>146906269No, it's an OC netflix thing, zero relation.
>>146898793>>146899073Ring of Fire is much cuter than Annie. She should just get her pregnant already and move on to the next!
>>146905228I swear to god we need one of those alignment charts for mary sues
>>146908130How would that work?Just make one yourself, because I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>146908766someone already made a shitty one. I think the axis should be wish-fulfillment self-insert vs how competent and well liked they are
>>146908869>warping purist unnaturally importantWhat the heck does the y axis even mean here? I don't speak pretentious.
Alright, this is gonna out something embarrassing about me for sure, but over the years of browsing this board I am finally curious enough to ask. I remember seeing banner ads for this when reading Homestuck over a decade ago. I didn't check it out because I didn't really know anything about it and figured it was a Harry Potter knockoff, but seeing that this has been going for that fucking long, it just leads me to ask: Is this good? Like, genuinely. I have never seen a webcomic that's gone on that fucking long that maintained any level of quality, is this the exception to the rule? Is this actually worth reading, a decade on, from the very start? Or is this just a sunk cost fallacy deal like those retards still reading Questionable Content?
>>146908869Basically only the left side and maybe James Bond can even really be considered as Mary Sues. And I wouldn't even say Bella should be classified as one, because she doesn't do anything. She's just a passive observer and self-insert/reader-insert. A Mary Sue has to actively drive the plot forward, imo.I also disagree with that anon above who said Mary Sues need to be protagonists and despite all the actual mary sues on that chart leaning heavily into the self insert category, I don't think being a self insert is necessary for a character to be a mary sue. Otherwise, in my opinion, whether or not a character is a mary sue is incidental and depends on things that have nothing to do with the actual character. I think that'd be a very useless definition.
>>146908869>QuasimodoHow is this dude remotely close to being a Mary Sue? Unless you count the terrible sequel, this guy's entire life is nothing but suffering AND he gets cucked. That's about as far from a Mary Sue as you get.
>>146909050Staying pure of heart despite extreme adversity is mary sueish according to some people I guess.
>>146908959It's obviously in a different universe than QC in terms of quality from what I've seen of QC.Gunnerkrigg Court has issues, it isn't perfect. The author set up a lot of really interesting things and has yet to actually deliver on any of them in a satisfactory way. A lot of that could be explained by unreasonably heightened expectations of the fans, but the issue stands. Despite the author claiming that the ending's been written from the start and the fact that the ending is now in sight (we are almost certainly past the climax of the story), the pay-offs and the developments have been very lackluster in terms of playing into the themes that have been set up. This is my biggest issue by far with the comic, however: Some of the characters have been acting very out of character in order to facilitate certain story beats the suthor had planned. It seems as though the ending and major plot points were indeed planned, but the author wasn't able to connect the dots in the way he initially had intended or hoped. The character of Kat, the second main character has taken probably the largest hit, sadly.Otherwise still pretty good, yeah!It's very difficult to give it a score, as a lot of it REALLY hinges on the ending, so I won't do that, but it's an above average comic for sure.
>>146909064Retarded people.It's something that inherently should be a trope in fiction,in my opinion. As soon as it would be possible to describe real people, the definition has failed.The whole question of a mary sue is one of how a character is written.Staying pure of heart despite extreme adversity describes plenty of real people.
>>146909130I agree, but maybe it's worth saying the bottom right square is by default the biggest stretch in this kind of chart by being radical-radical. Usually, it's not very serious.
>>146909130>>146908869I would attempt to define Mary Sue as something along the lines of>A character whose skills or abilities in their story aren't justified or easily justifiable and who other characters are giving disproportional respect, deference or leeway, which leads to them commanding the course of the story in a large partThat would mean that in the chart the only true mary sues would be Rey and maybe Arya (simply haven't seen enough of GoT to know for sure, but from what I've seen she does seem to be very mary sueish) and Bond, but certainly to a lesser degreeThoughts?
>>146909192By my definition Gunnerkrigg Court, the Mary Sues would be Coyote for sure and then perhaps Annie and Jack as well. I'm not sure if I'm happy with that sanity check...I do think Coyote is a mary sue, but I think intuitively I'd say Annie is definitely more of a Mary Sue than Coyote. Is that just because she's female and/or the main character?
>>146909222It's also possible that there's not really any mary sues in gkc, so it might not really apply...
>>146909050he's not, that's the entire point of these types of chart. admittedly that's not apparent given the shitty labels
>>146909387Ohhhh, okay. I wasn't aware of these. You called it an alignment chart at first, so I thought it was like a dnd alignment chart in that it describes multiple equally valid but different facets of *topic*. like, a chaotic evil character isn't less of a character than a lawful good character.
>>146909414yeah it's a stupid name but it's what people call them.
>>146909425Can we make an ACTUAL alignment chart for Mary Sues?>>146908869 gave two axis options that seem pretty valid...Maybe we should fill it out with examples, see if better axis...es? axes? Axis(plural) can be found.
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>>146909192You're overthinking it. A Mary Sue is someone who can do no wrong and everyone in the story loves for no reason. That doesn't necessarily mean they're supernaturally competent, but it means the plot will cover for any deliberate weaknesses they have, such as a character unable to fly a plane will get in and try anyway, possibly crashing the plane but everyone will survive and be more or less where the plot needs them to be.>>146909222Coyote's not a gary stu. Everyone hates him except Annie, he's never portrayed as being morally in the right and while he's plot important as a creator god, the story doesn't needlessly warp around him.
>>146909601>>146909443https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KNo6O0QbD0lxYUCGsjKyJUXtxEMx2oLBJfGsw6YKwDY/edit?usp=sharingHelp me come up with some examples
>>146909629Only missing popular stand in for reader and popular idolized other
>>146908959It's a lot better than Homestuck but good enough to actually read? No.
>>146909629You're missing the point, these types of charts (see >>146909387 and attached) lampoon definitional vagary/creep and are useful to deploy when discussions wade into semantic bogs.
>>146908959Most of the comic is very good, though it has a tendency to get sidetracked over pointless stuff which is why it's gone for so long. If you care about the world (which you will) it's not that bad when reading from the start, but it's painful when you're caught up and waiting for pages three times a week while they spend it doing sweet fuck all.Recently the quality has been bad because the author finally realised he doesn't want to keep writing it for the rest of his life so things are just happening because the plot needs them to happen, but the vast, vast majority of the comic isn't like that.I'm still reading because part of me wants to see what the fuck is going on and whether it would provide new context for things said earlier in the story.
>>146909859Here's what I had in mind. Feel free to dispute specifics
>>146909544>jumping from Annie becoming the medium right to Jeanne's exorcismUh, that's glossing over a fair fuckin' bit. Didn't even mention the bridge, or the tic-tocs, or the fairies, or Paz, or Robot's cult, or Spring-Heeled, or Annie's summer vacation, or the Microsat 5 incident, or Mort's passing on, or the Torn Sea, or Annie splitting herself in half, or the blinker stone getting destroyed. Like a LOT of things happen between these two points. These are some of the broadest strokes I've ever seen.
>>146909903More typical chart form. Can't be assed to actually add characters
>>146909903>Annie not all the way left
>>146909859And you seem to have missed the point that I don't care about that type of chart or whatever it lampoons.
>>146898793cute and funny
>>146909923That's your issue? That the recap skipped some stuff? Not that he decided to waste time doing a recap at all after having spun his wheels for like a hundred pages? All right.
>>146910137It's one of the regularly scheduled "breaks" between books, anon. Calm down.
>>146910119pet punching bag
>>146910201In any case it's all wrong. Ysengrin should be all the way in the corner, too.
>>146910137>Expecting anything major during a break runISHYGDDT
>>146910364>he doesn't knowCity Face is the key to everything
>>146910502City Face is probably dead by now. Killed by Loup in his attack.
>>146909903>Coyote the True NeutralI too remember the time Coyote turned himself into a chart, and some screens, and the people reading the screens, but then I remembered that I was Coyote, and the chart, and the screens, and forgot the rest of my story!HAHAHAHAHA!!
>>146909903>>146910114Trolling is against the rules, Annie hating communists.
>>146910888Spamminng is against the rules, Annie loving weirdo.
>>146910888>>146911074There are things that are against the rules. Annie is a character in Gunnerkrigg Court.
>>146909544>which they doThat’s a hilarious level of skipping over half the entire comic in three words. I love it. Y’all are gonna lose it when the Annies are covered in one panel or skipped over entirely tomorrow.
>>146911198Very well said.
>>146912311... He wouldn't dare skip over the two Annies. Right?
>>146913353He most certainly would.
>>146912311>>146913353I'd be fine with them only having one panel or something given how fast this recap seems to be, but if he skips over them entirely we riot.
>>146912311>>146913353>>146913437No way in hell he does this, they were probably the most beloved part of the comic during that period. If he does he's officially a gigacoward, a cuck, and just generally dumb and smelly.
>>146913437>>146913455the Annies had no bearing whatsoever on the story.
>>146913488They were in it for more than 10 chapters and directly led to Annie sperging out at the camera about how secretly cool her dad was, effectively resolving that plot point, and also apparently powered Annie up or something although that hasn't been too relevant yet. Skipping over them would be kind of crazy, unless Tom really does have some kind of hang up about them.
>>146913514Annie getting powered up is thanks to the timeskip anyway.You could literally remove all the Annies content and not even notice.
