Megatron did nothing wrong. Change my mind.
You can't fix faggotry you're stuck that way until oblivion.
>>146899087Aren't there some versions of him where he wants to conquer the galaxy and eradicate all organic life?
>>146899087If you're talking about the original Megatron, a hot but based take. G1 Megatron is all about survival of his own species above others, at any cost, regardless of what mistakes they've made. He has pride, he believes his right is to rule, and he takes action to claim his right.Now if you're talking about modern renditions that are obsessed with turning him into Magneto, he's just another hypocrite played to be "sympathetic" because of a sad backstory.
>>146899124Yes, And?
Stone Cold Pimp
>>146899126G1 Megs and Zod are right. Modern Megs and Magneto are wrong.
>>146899087>convince me that my subjective opinions are wrong>>146899126>>146899220oh please they're just pandas demanding to be fed more fucking bamboo
So who else thinks Megatron's Arm is corrupting Optimus?
>>146899353If Megatron were human would his hairstyle be a mullet?
Niggatron vs Autism Crime
>>146899353maybe, but it's an old b-movie plot and doesn't really track with how the rest of the series has been so farI think absorbing Sparkplug is what's happened. Wheeljack even called it. Sparkplug is still conscious somehow in the matrix, and he's still pissed at the Decepticons for everything they've done.
>>146899087If you are talking Transformers One's rendition, no, hes a destructive revolutionary who wishes to tear apart the cultural foundations of Cybertron out of spite for the corrupt instutions he had already overthrown. He is not a leader, he is just a rouble rouser leading a riot.Non-Transformers One G1 Megatron however did nothing wrong. The Decepticons come from a martial background and they are literally made for war and conquest. It is printed into their very circuits. Their birthright is conquest, it is their purpose. Autobots meanwhile were made to fulfill services, infrastructure and literal goods. They are made to work and to contribute to a higher power. With humans because our purpose is unclear it is immoral to be forced into castes, but cybertronians don't have such ambiguity. Decepticons as they exist are materially, and ethically within the parameters of a cybertronian existence, fully in the right to rule over and to subjugate the Autobots. Megatron was built by the Decepticons to lead Cybertronians built and designed for war. He is one history's great men made manifest, or in this case manufactured. You cannot deny his Cybertron's destiny or his own, especially when without the certainity of purpose human civilizations have had men do the same and prospher despite moral ambiguity.
IDW-G1 Megatron always felt so disingenuous to me.I know they were literally working backwards, trying to create a sympathetic origin story for a character ridiculously dedicated to bring an evil bastard, but for most of the time Megatron didn't come off as "misguided", he was blatantly shown to outright revel in being a monster. Later attempts to retcon that as "just playing the role fate gave me" feel so flimsy and forced.As much as I agree with >>146899641On TFOne's take on Megatron, it really was the first time I actually bought into the whole "Megatron was a good bot gone bad" idea, as in his reasons for going evil actually felt relatable.
>>146899666Yeah they really didn't handle his "redemption" well. He basically became an entirely different character overnight. He was evil as fuck especially during the arc where he mass distributed Megatron guns among human civilians just to prove the point that if properly armed, humans would murder the fuck out of any cybertronians, autobot or decepticon, out of fear. He genuinely believed that life was something inherently destructive that needed to be tamed through his tyranny.
Megatron is a wimp
>>146899867So iS StArScReAm!
>>146899886Yes but he's fast!
>>146899239Conquest is the natural privilege of the mighty. Only the weak require deceit to rule.Decepticons always were stronger and more ambitious, the greatest irony in their name.
>>146899087I'm gonna level with you Anon. Other than "I wanna be in charge", I don't know what the Autobots and Decepticons are actually arguing over. Always just kinda seemed like an energon shortage or something. As if finding a new plentiful power source would just end all the fighting.
>>146900567>Frenzy>Rumble>Skywarp>RefractorThese bots are not mighty at all, first two are just metallic mini meatballs, and the third is just a moronic maxi turkey.Also>Dinobots
>>146900764before leaving cybertron the decepticons were mogging the shit out of the autobots despite being outnumbered 1 to 3
>>146900741>I don't know what the Autobots and Decepticons are actually arguing overYou want the tl;dr? Freedom fighters vs terrorists. Cybertron was literally a giant factory, they both overthrew the old system. Autobots wanted to start rebuilding using Cybertron's remaining administrative structure, Decepticons wanted to continue burning it all down until nothing was left, they got into a slapfight so bad they fucked themselves until both sides were down to a handful of shitheads racing to Earth to catch the last AA battery.
how would Skybound handle a BW reboot?
>>146899126>G1 Megatron is all about survival of his own species above others, at any cost, regardless of what mistakes they've madeDid we watch the same show? He was just a megalomaniacal asshole. He was terrorizing Cybertron well before the war even started.I can't remember if Megatron ever said anything about the survival of their species specifically, but if you think anything he says isn't just an excuse to be the one to rule everything, then you're the kind of retard who'd trust someone who calls themself a Decepticon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIZgig4VqZk
>>146900827i feel like the recent IDW BW book is kind of like that in that its back to basics approach but i feel like the fact it exists and is still kind of recent makes me think its less likely to happen anytime soon.
>>146900741>I don't know what the Autobots and Decepticons are actually arguing over.Depends on the continuity, in G1 and some others decepticons are just the military class of robots taking over because they can and want to start conquering shit. In IDW 1 continuity they're an extremist reaction to oppressive policies placed by a corrupt senate that lobotomizes even fellow senators that don't fall in line while autobots are more moderate reaction the decepticon's war. In IDW 2 they're expansionists that are sick of oppressive policies keeping them shackled to the planet instead of letting them "explore"/conquer the universe.
Are the IDW comics that started in 2005 worth the read start to finish, or should 2019 ones be the starting point?
>>146899126>>146900937yeah G1 Megatron is barely a character, not even consistent from episode to episode. He's the least memorable of the big decepticons on the show
>>146901346A lot of them are good, yes. It goes to shit in the last third. 2019 is a whole lot of nothing ending in nothing. The space tether falling was neat, but it didn't matter. The whole run didn't matter.
>>146901587The whole run was ill conceived the moment there was a chance that IDW wouldn't get the rights renewed.
>>146900937It's even less likely because in G1, making new Decepticons is just a mater of building them anyway. No risk of extinction, just energy to keep them active.
>>146901146BrutalTo think that Cyberverse got funny Shockwave and Soundwave doing bully maguire dance.
Dude did everything wrong.
no one knows traps like Rattrap
>>146901706maybe but a lot of it was still better than the later parts of IDW2005, and the Costa ongoing era.
>>146902014really can't wait for the SS86 Megatron (i know he's a tank and not a gun, don't care.) love the SS86 Optimus, so having a Megatron that'll at least capture the robot mode so perfectly is gonna be rad.
>>146902220third party figures in general are superior to anyting Hasbro puts out
What does /co/ think of War for Cybertron/Fall of Cybertron Megatron? Personally, I hate him. He's a one-dimensional villain with zero likable qualities. A total meathead, which is only enforced by being voiced by Fred Tatasciore. I don't mind a pure evil Megatron, but at least make him charismatic, like Animated Megatron.
>>146902229i've never vibed with Megatron being a gun, and its not cause i'm a libtard or anything, its that the big bad leader should be something more mobile. I love targetmasters and shit but i don't think Megatron should be one.
>>146902297I think Michael Bay once said something along the lines of "Megatron's alt mode is as stupid as Batman shrinking down into a lightsaber and being wielded by one of his stormtroopers". As always, he is based and correct.
>>146902323Ignore the fact that I said "Batman" instead of "Darth Vader" and just pretend Michael Bay is a schizo please, thank you :)
>>146902323thats exactly why. that said i like the character of Browning from Masterforce for that reason, he's a small boy that is scaled more closely to a real world gun, like that works for me better plus it keeps true to what Micro Change was meant to be all about, that close real world approximity of non vehicle things.
>>146902297>and its not cause i'm a libtard or anythingits so sad that this would even enter the discussion, and not the inherent fact that putting a gun against a truck seems like an obvious mismatch.Kids have been thinking that's dumb for decades, no politics involved.
>>146902200Agreed, it's just that the slow buildup plan blew up in its face because they ended up having to turn the end of the first part of the story into a series finale and wrap up plotlines that were clearly going to be dealt with at a later date like Exarchon.
>>146899590I think Spark just gave Optimus his PTSD by fusing with the matrix.
>>146902270I never cared for the blocky unimaginative designs in the Cybertron game series.
>>146902323Nothing associated with Michael Bay is "based"
Starscream….had a hard lifehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaUvCmDnP8&list=LL&index=12&pp=gAQBiAQB
>>146902638Starscream... had a hard cock in his ass... He needs some time to rest...
Is TF Prime a good watch as an adult? I’m becoming retroactively more interested in transformers lately after largely ignoring it for most of my childhood so I don’t really know what’s good and what’s shit
>>146902785It's the best and most "adult" Transformers series, yeah. Well, technically the WFC Trilogy is the most adult, but that sucked.
>>146902906Thanks. Are the post-movie seasons of the 80s cartoon worth checking out too?
>>146902960Personally I don’t like them all that much. All of the good characters are gone. But it still has that amusing 80s jank of the first two seasons. Rodimus and Galvatron are especially funny, in an ironic way.
>>146900567I believe it was Sun Tzu who said that deception was one of the fundamental pillars of warfare.
>>146902785It's great for episodic plots and character interactions but its overarching plot is mediocre and very repetitive.
>>146899087The retard voluntarily had Starscream in his ranks. Even if you don't care about the whole "I want to genocide humanity" thing, that's plenty of reason for him to be seen as wrong.
>>146903407There’s nothing wrong with having a toxic boyfriend who repeatedly tries to kill you
>>146903407He likes seeing him suffer, killing him would end his suffering. One of the funniest bits in IDW was Megatron changing his mind about letting himself get executed during his trial after Starscream testified just so he could dab on Starscream by delaying his death penalty on a legal technicality.
>>146903438>a toxic boyfriendSo Is Toxitron is the most toixc transformer?
>>146902297I might be able to rationalize it if he weren't literally putting his life in the hands of his treacherously ambitious air commander whom he knows would take the chance to kill him if he thought he could get away with it.
>>146899484Based Mulletron
>>146903481It was funny seeing Starscream screw himself that badly, it's like Megatron is compelled to ruin Starscream's day whenever he notices that Starscream is happy.
>>146903494Who could compete?
>>146902447Realising that the big villain should have an alt form that isn't a shitty toy gun is quite based
>>146904886Not even originally his thought
>>146900567>Only the weak require deceit to rule.so we're eliminating Decepticons completely then
>>146905063Decepticons don't NEED to deceive they just WANT to, for funnsies.
>>146900567>Conquest is the natural privilege of the mighty.Well, that rules you out.
>>146905703>Aw, but I wanted a decepticon fembot armed with a fusion cannon...
>>146904886I think that's more or less a common sense observation. It's like calling someone "based" for not forgetting how to breathe.
>>146906006>not forgetting how to breatheBased
>>146899666>IDW-G1 Megatron always felt so disingenuous to me.>I know they were literally working backwards, trying to create a sympathetic origin story for a character ridiculously dedicated to bring an evil bastard, but for most of the time Megatron didn't come off as "misguided", he was blatantly shown to outright revel in being a monster. Later attempts to retcon that as "just playing the role fate gave me" feel so flimsy and forced.>>146899824>Yeah they really didn't handle his "redemption" well. He basically became an entirely different character overnight. He was evil as fuckIDW wanted to make Megatron their own Magneto, and this is EXACTLY what happened with Magneto in comics. A 200% evil villain suddenly became a different person overnight, and got a sympathetic origin and noble motivations grafted onto him. It was retarded, but unfortunately it's so popular that writers of comics and cartoons keep wanting to do the same thing with their own villains. God forbid a cool bad guy just be a cool bad guy.
>>146906584>A 200% evil villain suddenly became a different person overnight,Magneto first joined the X-Men in like 1980, and has committed multiple genocides and invaded multiple countries to install himself as dictator since then, even leaving aside the open sewer that is the Utopia to Krakoa pipeline
>>146903643Is IDW always this WORDS WORDS WORDS
So, wait. Is being an Autobot or a Decepticon an inherent quality, or a matter of choice?
>>146906610yes
>>146903252>I believe it was Sun Tzu who said that deception was one of the fundamental pillars of warfare.That's a mistranslation. He said Decepticons are one of the fundamental pillars of warfare.
>>146906620A choice until you get into robots that were built from the ground up to be decepticons like the constructicons or robots reprogrammed to switch allegiances.
>>146906602>initially just one writer wanted him reformed>everyone else at Marvel hated it and wanted him to be a villain again>as soon as that one writer is gone, he reverts to being a villain>it's the 90s by then and cape comics are more EXTREME, he actually gets to pull off some of the things he was always trying to do before, he kills a lot of people>Marvel keep trying to pretend he's sympathetic and makes valid points even while he's killing millions>Has sudden overnight personality change AGAIN and just gets overnight redemption AGAIN>Nobody who started reading in the last 20 years even knows him as a villainAt least IDW1 wasn't THAT retarded in their handling of Megatron, and at least Transformers periodically reboots leaving that version of G1 dead and gone. Imagine if Good Megatron just stuck for 20 years like it has with Magneto.
>>146905703If his fusion cannon is his pistol scope would he be able to use it as a telescope?
What’s coolerBionicles or Transformers?
>>146907243the only thing I remember from Bionicles is that the first movie was a LotR rip off
>>146907243Both
>>146907199depends if this is a continuity where he turns into a gun or a tank
>>146906635>Sun Tzu saw some giant metal men fighting and thought "Wack.">Then he wrote a book about them.It tracks.>>146906620>>146907243I like both. Though I have more memories of Bionicle than I do TF so it wins.I wish I had more space for the stuff I still have.
>>146907373Obviously the question is in a continuity where becomes a pistol
>>146899087
>>146899087Shut up, Meg.
>>146907199I remember him using it like that in something but can't remember what at all.
>>146899641They were also both built to be products subservient to the will of others, not at the helm of their own destiny. They rebelled against the Quintessons, who created them as a product to be bought and then used by others.By your logic, Autobot and Decepticon alike are defective products that should be destroyed.
>>146902332Honestly if you hadn't posted this I would've just taken your word and continued scrolling, 100% uncritically accepting that Michael Bay said that shit.
>>146902960if the PS2 graphics don't filter you Beast Wars is a good watch too. It's one of the most well-written 90's cartoons along with BTAS and Gargoyles
Furman (And Shockwave) are sleeping! Post fembots!
>>146899087Never understood how people could animate designs like the transformers. Seems like it'd break my brain trying to draw them turning. People shit on the old show for its insane animation errors but I'm just surprised mech type shows could ever understand how to animate them well when they did in the first place.
>>146899087Starscream > Fagatron
>>146908629I mean, G1 transformers are just kinda boxes with arms and legs (which are also, usually, boxes).
>>146908629easy, they either make the models first (easy to spot cause the toys get fucked in that case) or they straight up just scan the figures, in which case they literally have joints that would show how they move.
>>146908601Bea Arthur's dead you sicko
>>146905703What would Robot Santa think of Megatron?
>>146899087He clearly did something wrong, since he kept losing.
>>146902960If you like something different, but there's a reason they basically ignored that era of TF once the show ended
>>146899087Constructicons are leaders too!
>>146909158
>>146909212>if the Quintessons were Chinese
>>146900937actually he was terrorizing Cybertron after the war ended and continued the war
>>146899641>Mindraped like half his forces into following him with the Robo-SmasherYeah, what a great fucking guy. Really puts his people's needs first.
>>146906610Yes, because they're talking? What kind of illiterate point are you trying to make?
>>146909230me when the Constructicons form Devastator:>https://youtu.be/ZiyscVqJAgs?si=99k513HxRxOW65h7
>>146903407Starscream is a disloyal backstabber, an utter snake, a coward, a complete douche, and a general piece of shit - but he is easily the most competent of Megatron's squad.
>>146909681That's a lot of words to say that Starscream is based.
>>146909685He is indeed.
>>146908038For me, it's Megara tron
>>146906620Like everything in Transformers, it depends on the continuity. G1 has Cybertronians as being programmed from birth, with the differences between factions stemming from the Autobots being built for manual labour and the Decepticons as military hardware. Most other iterations tho ditch this notion in order to give the characters more agency, having characters willingly join their respective side. The factions are also no longer defined as a simple progrm but as ideologies.
>>146899087He did a few things wrong actually.
>>146909681>Saying that when Soundwave and Shockwave exist.
>>146909681Ok Skywarp Christmas is over you can stop glazing his nosecone
I always found it strange that the bad guys who were all about subterfuge and even invented transforming were all military vehicles and machines. Shouldn't the Autobots and Decepticons be switched? If the Autobots are a resistance, shouldn't they be ones choosing to take military forms more often than not? All while the Deceptions, you know, deceive, by taking more civilian forms?
>Imagine being Blaster
>>146910607It's implied in G1 that the Autobot were the ones who invented transforming tho.
>>146910607They explained your question in Five Faces of Darkness....Autobots created transforming into civilian vehicles to hide from thee decepticons, who were mighty warriors. When Decepticons started incorporating vehicle transformation, they picked war and military vehicles because they were fighters while the Bots picked alt modes purely for stealth and speed
>>146899087He left Starscream alive
>>146900741Depends on the story, but essentially the Decepticons were planning to take over their planet and conquer the galaxy while optionally using the Autobots as slaves in their galactic empire. The Autobots don't like either premise, so they fight against it. Some continuities it's the Decepticons who start a massive war to free themselves from the oppressive government that preceded the Autobots, sometimes it's the Decepticons taking over cause they're just warmongerers. Either way, the energon shortage was primarily just a narrative excuse for one or both sides to take their fight cosmic since it's the equivalent of Earth running out of oxygen and humans trying to escape to colonize another planet.
>>146910643>imagine being stuffed with tiny men, a rhino and a lion
>>146902297Wouldn't it make more sense if Megatron had a particularly trusted and loyal subordinate who turned into a gun for *him* to shoot?
>>146910643>imagine being all talk, no shock
>>146911123It's meant to be ironic that one of the most duplicitous and aggressively selfish members of the Decepticons is nevertheless forced to put his trust in his minions in order to utilize the most powerful tool in his arsenal effectively, especially when about 90% of those minions are either duplicitous and selfish themselves that would backstab him given the chance or cowardly morons who wouldn't backstab him but utilized his gun mode far less effectively. Granted, that does lead to the question of why he doesn't just keep Soundwave around as his designated sniper instead, but I guess the poor guy can only carry the entire army on his back for so long.
>>146910957So is SoundwaveBut the difference is I- I mean he's cooler
>>146911322Correct, Soundwave is superior
>>146907622>"All warfare is based" - Sun Tzu
>>146911896Barneytron
>>146908149>They were also both built to be products subservient to the will of others, not at the helm of their own destiny. They rebelled against the Quintessons, who created them as a product to be bought and then used by others.>By your logic, Autobot and Decepticon alike are defective products that should be destroyed.They rebelled against the Quintessons due to their cruelty along with the realization that Cybertron was not theirs to control. You can and I will argue that they followed their programing as a result, Cybertron was the factory that built them and by extension Primus himself. Kicking out the Quintessons is them recognizing that the Quintessons were not their true masters and that Cybertron and by extension Primus was. The Decepticons still observebly follow their purpose of surbservience by creating a figure such as Megatron to lead them, something that makes him unique and unbound by the desire to serve. Something he demonstrates after being given a new body by Unicron and then trying to usurp him, his spark and programming refuses to submit to a higher power. Meanwhile other Decepticons consistently submit to a higher authority despite their own ambitions such as Starscream, they naturaly know when to fall in line. The Autobots show it too. Almost all of their leaders are shown to be reluctant recipients who are forced to take on the role of leader via the Matrix of leadership. If such a system was not in place they would have buckled and be absorbed into the stratification of the Decepticons by now.
>>146911368Shut up you metallic mini meatball!
Why is it that every villain now needs have to be sympathetic?
I will now serve Unicron
>>146912006Because it generally makes for better story telling and illustrating the gray morality of reality.
>>146912130>Because it generally makes for better story tellingThat is not true. Not every villain needs to be sympathetic,
>>146912006Most people are bad or at least believe they are and want narratives that let them know that they're ok
I like non-asshole Megatron though
>>146912201His interaction with the scavengers was funny
>>146911896too overdesigned even the ROTB Maximals didn't overcomplicate things (sadly they lacked any real colour).
>>146912737I think I heard something about one of the original BW designers being assblasted that ROTB Cheetor wasn't yellow
>>146911051You know what I'd like to see?Megatronus Prime would be a noble and benevolent character at first (like his depiction in TF:One), but after he's killed or captured by Unicron or the Quintessons or whatever, he is corrupted and turned into an evil and merciless destroyer.
>>146913093i kinda want to do a version of The Fallen thats essentially Xibalba while Solus Prime is his La Muerte. i think it'd be an interesting way to do them both.
>>146913093I'd rather if he was originally good but became evil after he started roiding himself on dark energon
>>146910568Skywarp isn't known for liking Starscream, nor is Thundercracker. If either of them had any leadership potential at all, Megatron would probably put one of them in charge of the Seekers.>>146911205>90% of those minions are either duplicitous and selfish themselves that would backstab him given the chance or cowardly moronsThat's not really fair. Starscream's the only one that's out to backstab and overthrow Megatron, and the cowardice or idiocy of the other Decepticons is largely situational. When things are going right, they're competent and brave, when it's time for them to lose, suddenly they're all cowards or screw-ups.
>>146899484No, a pageboy. Like He-Man.
>>146911493>"Is that really the message we want to leave to our descendants?">"Fine. I'll change it to deception.">A massive decepticon carrying off energon cubes passes by.>"Good call."And that's how the CCP was formed.
