>cute anime girl in a Tolkien setting>everyone hates it and it bombs in theatersI just caught the last showing of it and liked it decently enough for what it was. For all the talk of it being le woke, the main girl wins almost every conflict through trickery and relying on other Rohirrim
>>146906259Yeah physically Hera is not a Mary Sue. She gets lucky & needs to be saved constantly. Rings of Power really did too much damage to the brand. So much it killed this movie's potential audience.
>>146906281Rings of Power wasn't even bad
>>146906281Shame. My wife was really pretty, I hope this doesn’t affect future tomboy movies
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>>146906296Here's your (you), contrarian.
>>146906296Well actually, Rings of Power season two had one good plot with the elves and then the Numenor, Dwarf, Hobbit, and Gandalf plots were a slog
Tolkien adaptation peaked in 1981. It's all been downhill since.
Ever since people called Rey Skywalker a mary sue, the elites in Hollywood have made an active effort to subvert and water down the term so it can be used for anything. Thus destroying what little credibility it had.
>>146906259I thought it was pretty decent, and Hera isn't really a Mary Sue. She's not even close to touching Théoden or Éowyn, but she's alright.The problem is that WB did next to nothing to advertise it, and it's seems to have just been made to hold on to the LOTR rights for another decade.>>146906281>Rings of Power really did too much damage to the brand.This as well.
>>146906312The elf plot still sucks because the elves are all ugly, mixed races, & they all act like idiots. Especially Sauron who looks really dorky instead of beautiful but deceptive. It goes to show that, for one, if you can't get the full rights to a book then don't make the fucking show. Also that if you can't even make good costumes then don't fucking make the show.
>>146906317You're too attached to your nostalgia. All those animation Tolkien projects are really ugly & barely adapt any of the books well.
>>146906259I didn’t even know it was out.
>>146906352That's the hilarious part, the animated films had the look but they were missing essential parts of the story. But PJ is the only one who gets shit for taking liberities.
>>146906352>animationWho said anything about animation?
>>146906259>the main girl wins almost every conflictThis is woke. The protagonist being a girl is woke. Full stop. There was no reason they had to invent some bullshit fan fic other than they wanted a female protag. There are plenty of insanely good stories they could have animated and they decided on fan fic (and shitty fan fic at that) because they were woke. >>146906281RoP doesn’t need to exist for this to be retarded and woke. >>146906296Stop baiting.
>>146906259It was fine but it honestly felt like it was going to be a show before quickly being turned into a film so they could keep the rights.
>>146906405Even the looks feel lacking. The Hobbit film is really ugly with how they did the elves. The dwarves are just tiny old men. Then the Fellowship of the Ring movie is even more weirdly handled with it's rotoscoped animation, lazy designs for Aragorn, Legolas, & Gimli. The actual adaptation parts are severely lacking as well as you pointed out. Just making Sam an annoying bumbling retard is bad enough.>>146906596Ironic with your bait.
>>146906723Nothing I said was bait.
>>146906259This has to be cum-brained trolling. Helm's daughter was barely a character, she was such a minor person in middle-earth that she was not even named. The entire film's existence is making shit up about her by actively stealing from Helm's story. It's inherently woke by nature. Also every male character is evil or expendable + the animation is mid
>146906753>seething this hard about a movie you didn’t watch
>>146906753You didn't even watch the movie if you genuinely think that when her brothers, cousin, & steward are all portrayed positively. Even Helm gets a lot of moments to shine.
>>146906259Literally never heard of this, you're telling me there's a theatrical animated LOTR movie?
>>146906259The problem with any new LOTR media is that it will inevitably be compared to the Peter Jackson trilogy, which is probably the greatest film trilogy of all time. It's going to be literal decades before the cultural influence of those films wears off enough that something will be able to be judged on its own. Until then anything less than fantastic will just feel all the worse for the comparison.
>>146906259If there's anything that still gives me any amount of comfort it's knowing that Tolkien fans are one of the few fanbases out there who are still willing to call things out on bullshit.
>>146906259It's just someone's fanfic, someone's OC inserted into a story that was barely 2 pages long when Tolkien wrote it. It would've done better if it didn't have the LOTR name at all.Though speaking of names, I hate the name Hera. It's definitely not what Tolkien would've named Helm's unnamed daughter. The Greek name Hera would've even sounded like a man's name to the Anglo-Saxon Rohan and Tolkien would've known that. He'd either name Helm's daughter the classic Germanic name Hild, just like Helm's sister, or something like Hildwyn.
>>146906779Can you tell me what they do except die to make Hera feel sad?
>>146906281This
>>146906956Tolkien's legendarium is just very well explained and anything outside of that like that crap ROP and even this, even if it were better will just very obviously be seen for what it is. A cheap attempt to ride a popular brand and insert what can only be called fanfic. We know what the stories are and even if you wanted to point to a few gaps, it's not Netflix, or Amazon or anyone else's place to fill them in.
>>146906753>Tolkein fans when fantasy races are objectively evil: "They are meant to be evil, stupid.">Tolkein fans when men are objectively evil: "Where's the nuance?"
>>146906596Are you being retarded on purpose?
>>146907059>Not understanding the difference between a man and a monster.
>>146906956>which is probably the greatest film trilogy of all time.Was gonna call you a faggot but then I realized basically every other trilogy I can think of drops the ball harder on at least one movie.
>>146907096Hiroshi Inagaki's Samurai trilogy was pretty rad
>>146906956>>146907054>Group tries to adapt Tolkien's work as best as they possibly can within the context of a movie, almost exclusively trimming down content to make it fit and drawing nearly all dialog directly from the books>Becomes one of the most beloved film series of all time>Groups try to take incredibly small snippets of Tolkien's work and bloat it out the ass>Mediocre at best, terribly despised at worstWhoa, it's almost like Tolkien is one of the singular most celebrated authors of the 20th Century or something and a bunch of studio retards can't compare, crazy
>>146906956Well this one's literally part of Peter Jackson's universe now so...>>146907011Defend their kingdom. Stay supportive & protective of her.
>>146907096>every other trilogy I can think of drops the ball harder on at least one movieJackson’s LoTR does this.
>>146907159I feel like the fact it is a book is why it's so much easier to be choosy about what secondary material you want to accept. Like bad adaptations are just easy to write off as simply that. Even when following up adaptations you do like. It's why seeing a bad super hero movie for example doesn't sting as much as knowing the actual comics have been shit.
>>146907259I said hard-ER for a reason anon, RotK has the most issues but is still a really solid film with fantastic high points.
it was a good movieoverly cliche but better than most shit
>>146907159No dude, if we throw TWO billion dollars at it and SIXTEEN random hollywood writers we'll get it right this time!
>>146907428Have you tried accusing your critics of intolerant beliefs?
>>146906259It's just really barebones and doesn't really do much with the world it's given. It also feels way too Japanese for what is an inherently Anglo-Saxon story, so the feel of it is off.
>>146907513>miyazaki male hating weeb mate wut
>>146907513Kinda this tho. It’s like doing a Goodfellas spinoff movie where the sole focus is on a women and their lady troubles. Some stories are just specifically crafted to be about one gender.
>>146907528Miyazaki and the japanese fundamentally do not understand lord of the rings. So shoving in a soulless femoid oc at the helm of pre-existing tolkein story is the most obvious proof that retarded japs don't understand tolkein. In fairness neither do the retarded jews that run hollywood.
>>146907561Look you can either take a shield maiden of Rohan or get some stringy Japanese NEET pud get hit by a truck and wake up in the Pelinor fields armed with all the silmarils.
>>146907574Both of those are equally bad and equally soulless. The only reprieve was that it was a massive fucking flop. I hope Peter Jackson fucking dies.
>>146907574>stringy Japanese NEET pud get hit by a truck and wake up in the Pelinor fields armed with all the silmarils.That at least would be funny in a cosmic sort of way
>>146907652I guess it's the question of whether or not it's worse to be boring than bad.
>>146906259Hera my beloved...
>>146906281>Rings of Power really did too much damage to the brand.The Hobbit movies did a fair bit of damage too, let's be honest.
>>146907691Thing is, for every bad thing the hobbit did there at least a couple small things it did alright. Like you can see how the Hobbit might have been GOOD if they didn't go completely retard with it. A lot of the tragedy of what went wrong with The Hobbit was the fact that it COULD have been good. Rings of Power was doomed out the gate and while Rohan might have gone either way even at it's best it probably wouldn't be any more a foot note than those old cartoon movies. Probably less so.
Should have got a jap to write it.
>>146906296At some point you have to choke on your own lies
>>146907733Should've got an Anglo to write it actually
The Return of the King was the last good Tolkein Adaptation?
>>146907708The Hobbit movies are basically a gradient of descending quality>First is mostly good with some great scenes and some bad scenes>Second is mostly bad with some good scenes and some shit scenes>Third is mostly shit with some bad scenes and like three passable scenes
>>146907778They did, a jap only directed
>>146907790Yes and it’s not even close
>>146907691Hobbit had enough good that it didn't totally ruin the franchise and the first movie is alright minus a few bits that almost entirely revolve around Radagast. The second movie was pretty bad and the last movie was abysmal but people were willing to overlook it since the trilogy could be viewed as a self-contained misstep and most of the reasons it was shit were due to massive studio meddling even directly going against the wishes of several actors, writers, and Jackson himself.The more recent stuff has done actual damage though.
>>146907790Return of the King has some of the bigger flaws compared to the other two but yeah it's still pretty fucking fantastic overall. The Lighting of the Beacons scene alone basically beats the shit out of everything that's come since.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm0wz0ZlYqc
>>146907791Three movies was simply too much. I mean one could, rather successful, argue that TWO was two much but but stretch the book to a duology if you wanted to really include EVERYTHING isn't the worst thing they could have done. I feel like the old cartoon was a pretty faithful adaptation of the main points of the book but it cut out a lot of stuff. But then I might also argue if that isn't better for it. When it comes to adaptations is it more important to be a literally faithful or should you simply focus on the major talking points. The greater morals. Not to say Beorn isn't important but how important is he over Bilbo's personal journey? Do we really need an Arken Stone or is having the Dwarves blinded by greed simply enough? What does it mean to genuinely adapt.
>>146907830This
>>146907849The Ride of the Rohirrim is probably still my favorite moment in any theater I've ever been in and I'm including the time I got a hand job during the Dark Knight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pis3veqKl8k
Kamiyama is a creator who can handle strong, independent female characters.So I think this movie definitely had potential.
>>146907892The thing is the protag being female is exactly the problem. How many times does it need to be said
>>146907875There are a couple of fan edits of the Hobbit Trilogy that trim it down to just a single movie that sticks mostly to the books and they're not bad honestly. Not LOTR-comparable but still plenty good in their own rights. The last movie only has a few scenes included too, it's so fucking off the rails compared to even the second movie that it's just like the last 20-ish minutes in the condensed ones.
>>146907899I guess no one will take your opinion seriously because you just sound like a sexist?
>>146907890>I'm including the time I got a hand job during the Dark KnightHuh?
>>146907899It's not an issue of male versus female protagonists. Not completely anyways. The simple mater is they chose the wrong character to focus on in the first place. Hera isn't bad because she's a woman she's bad because she's not the character the story should be about. They chose her because they wanted a female lead and I'll grant that's a problem but changing her gender wouldn't have fixed anything.
>>146907924>Huh?Exactly what I said. Took date to see Dark Knight, hour or so into the movie her hand was down my pants.
>>146907849>>146907890Yeah Return of the King has some fucking God-tier moments. I can completely look over some of the issues it has because of shit like this;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfJirrzRQ60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKIgv8AhffAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9VWhHJaSjA
>>146907942>I can't believe he didn't cry at Titantic>Not all tears are an evil... ;_;
Miyazaki Hayao is probably the best person to take on the anime adaptation of The Lord of the Rings, but he's the last person to take the job.
>>146906259She has a nice butt
>>146907935Based
>>146907929>It's not an issue of male versus female protagonistsMaking up a random fan fic story in a world full of thousands is absolutely the issue
>>146907974>Making up a random fan fic story in a world full of thousands is absolutely the issueYes. And I said as much. Actually reply to the entire statement not just part of it.
>>146907790I feel like Return of the King might be the last good adaptation period. It might be the last good anything.
>>146907059>See an utterly gross subhuman in a fantasy setting>Immediately identify with it more than any other character for some reasonWhy does this happen more and more?Is this that "media literacy" thing I keep hearing about?
>>146907833If the hobbit was terrible, and literally everything after the hobbit has been terrible, how the fuck do you figure that the hobbit didn't hurt the franchise?If anything, the fact those fucking movies are at least 50% fanfiction and still managed to make money proved to all these fucking vultures that they can get away with it. I don't give a fuck about this or rings of power, good or bad, it's just corpo fanfiction. The hobbit was one of my favorite stories, actively fucked up by greed.
>>146908037Modern audiences want to be visibly special
>>146908067California level demographics
>>146908052Yeah that's a decent point honestly. I was thinking more in regards to public perception when I made that post for some reason, feel like it definitely set the precedent for others to come and milk the franchise to death.
>>146907985Anon if they had chosen one of her brothers or father to make a movie about it immedaitely wouldn’t have needed to be fan fic. It’s fan fic because they insisted it be about a woman who barely even existed.
>>146906259For me it's a combination of two things>Rings of Power is fresh in my mind so it's gonna draw comparisons>that awful Norse mythology show by Snyder is fresh in my mind which also had a red-haired female protagonist, so of course I'm gonna draw comparisonsYou can understand how that could leave a sour taste in one's mouth.
>>146908108I do on some level appreciate that for whatever reason the general audiences aren't having it. Like there's no bullshit arguments like you get out of the supposed New Star Wars fandom who try to say Last Jedi was "devise at worst" instead of just calling it shit. Maybe I've just been lucky enough to not witness it but nobody is trying to argue RoP wasn't hot garbage. I've seen people defend the ST, Obi Wan, and even the Acolyte. Most people who talk about ROP seem to forget it even exists.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy was successful because they tried to make The Lord of the Rings.The Hobbit trilogy failed because they tried to make The Lord of the Rings.
There's part of me that wants to try and disconnect it from LoTR and judge it on it's own merits but I don't think I can. This isn't just like changing some names around to make up a Conan pastiche or some shit. This is attaching itself to one of if not THE fantasy series. The one that so much of modern fantasy is really derived from.
>>146908164The artwork doesn't seem too bad for an anime.
>>146908280Wait till you see it in motion
>>146906259it'll do a lot better on streamingeven Red One is making its money back on streaming
>>146906259>Warner's house of cards continues to fall apartGood.
>>146906259>>146906299Does she have a love interest?
>>146906296Eh, technically I suppose. It was still rather mediocre.
>>146908284How do movies make money off streaming? Streaming already relies on a subscription, no?
>>146908291She gets wet for the guy who sanely killed her two brothers in front of her. Typical woman moment.
>>146906259>wokego back to sleep
>>146908297>How do movies make money off streaming?I HAVE NO IDEA. I feel like streaming has let pretty much every piece of shit call itself a success because people were paying for the subscription anyways. Like they MUST have a way to track the numbers but they're sure as shit not making that info public. It's like when youtube SUDDENLY made it's dislike ratio invisible just as people started calling out shit.
>>146908299I see. But does she marry him?
retards don’t understand that you can’t franchise tolkien. people want the very specific thing he provided in the books and not generic fantasy slop in his setting. they want the religious dignity, his specific interests and mythic tone, nobody gives a fuck about middle earth by itself. they like middle earth as told by tolkien. nothing but straight up adaptions of his narrative ideas work. that’s why every non tolkien story in middle earth is a tedious flop
It doesn't matter. New Line sent it out to die solely to keep the rights to LotR until the new movies are done. They never expected or cared for it to make a profit.
>>146906259It looked like a netflix tv show, barely above castlevania in quality.
>>146908468Yeah this isn't some kind of star wars. There's a kind of... well I don't want to get pretentious and say "purity" to Tolkien's works but I feel like the books still have a very different kind of fandom and appeal that a lot of fantasy does. Similarly Narnia. It doesn't exist to be bled. The story itself is what mattered.
>>146908151RoP does have some number of defenders but it’s always, with zero wiggle room, a culture warrior perpetually online type
>>146908558Yeah but Narnia sucks. It's just a crappy retelling of The Bible.
>>146908609You suck.
>>146906296>Don't even have the rights to the Silmarillon>Only have the rights to the appendices>Can't even follow the basic history of Middle-Earth and tries to shove over 2000 years of history into like 200 topsSure bud.
I'm not a big Tolkien fan or even a fantasy fan, but I don't see why this couldn't have been an original story outside of nebulous "marketing purposes".
>>146906259>>cuteand stop reading right therefuck off, shill
>>146908672Because it only existed to retain the movie rights
>>146908919I was gonna say something about how there's not really anything you could make a movie out of but then I had a sudden moment of oldness where I realized that RoTK is over 20 years old. That's old enough to where some other studio might consider making a new adaptation of their own. So rather than genuinely wanting to make something new they're probably more interested in making sure no one else can. Which is a bleak thought really.
>>146906259>wins almost every conflict through trickery and relying on other Rohirrim>implying this is feminineLmao. Read Homer you illiterate fucking swine>>146906296Lmao. Death to you and all like you. 1000 deaths on the current head of the estate. 1000000000 deaths on Bezos for disappointing his son like this.>>146906779>brus how can it be woke if the men are there tooLmao. If it's not canon it's not worth watching. Amazon had a chance at being woke and still respecting the franchise with Rangz. Had they set it in the Easternlands and centred it on the Blue Ishtari they could have had their day and pacified Grognards.Instead they produced something worse than anyone had ever imagined and actively mocked and destroyed Tolkien's work. There's no good will. There's no leeway. There's no going back to the well.They will be starved out and this IP will be worthless. It's the only way to handle things. If they did produce something inspired and true to the franchise they'd use the momentum to make more trash. Even their best efforts must be spurned. Not a single ember should survive the quenching. The entire blaze has to be suffocated and buried.>>146907691Normalfags like the Hobbit because it reminded them of LOTR. Brainless cattle. Reminder, just because someone likes the things you like doesn't mean they like it the way you like it.Dangling the keys to a new sports car in front of someone will excite them as much as dangling them in front of an infant. Gatekeep constantly.>>146907733LOTR isn't RWBY. Japs either stick to the source or they can get fucked too. Japs only make sense as the 'let them adapt X' group because they do things sincerely. Even the pozzed shit is there because it makes the author horny, and they're unabashed about that. The venn diagram of Japan's freaky fantasy as frighteningly started to overlap with America's abhorrent predilections. Americans are simply too low IQ to abstract and observe fiction as separate from reality.
>>146909419>Normalfags like the Hobbit because it reminded them of LOTR. Brainless cattle. Reminder, just because someone likes the things you like doesn't mean they like it the way you like it.Well that's sort of the thing isn't it. Modern movie audiences might like a new MCU movie or The Hobbit while they're in the theater shoving snacks and soda into their gaping maws and being entertained by the constant stream of images and effects on screen but they're not gonna leave the theater remembering a whole lot of it and it will soon be replaced in their mind by the next BIG THING that comes out. Movies aren't made to leave a lasting impression anymore. They're made to distract be disposable till the next event that fills the quiet. It's honestly worse than movies just being bad.
>>146909437That's beside the point. Suppose they did like it enough for it to leave a lasting impression (which it surely has on many youths) it's still trash.I resigned myself to never discussing Dune ever again the moment the film was announced for this very reason. I despise normalfags. I especially despise secondaries.
>>146909465I don't think it's entirely besides the point. I think the fact that audiences expect so little out of movies and are so lacking in critical ability is partly the reason why movie studios don't think they have to try as much.
>>146909472The audience has always been cattle to some extent. If your solution is to uplift the theater-goer you're talking international social engineering.How are you going to get poorly educated, demoralized, mutts more interested in engaging in cinema without addressing one of those three issues?
>>146909524I wouldn't even begin to know. Even in the 90s we were making pot shots and jokes at the expensive of the average minded theater goers who would rather see millions of dollars of explosions and effects but now even those low brow action movies are almost a thing of art compared to the lazy computer effect driven cinema of today.
>>146909419>seething about muh americansLet me guess, you think your third-world shithole is not mostly subhuman retards with abysmal tastes in any and all media.>inb4 accusations of being an americanNope, just find you imbeciles and your whining rather tiresome.
>>146909674And yet here you are carrying water for them and saying nothing else of note. Rather tiresome. Lmao
>>146909723>n-no uYep, an idiot with an ax to grind it is. As always I'm right on the money with your kind.Still waiting to show me all those refined intellectuals from your shithole rejecting all slop and enjoying exclusively highbrow art. Oh wait, you can't.
>>146906259>>146906299Rohirrim did not have red hairThe only confirmed cases of red hair across all races were a few elves in one family and a clan of dwarves that never show up in person
>>146907059Orcs are objectively naturally evil, men aren't
>>146907561Japanese didn't write this, just animated it, same for the Rankin Bass cartoons
>>146908468I largely agree but video games get a pass.
>>146909723Adding "lmao" at the end doesn't make you look less mad my son
>>146906259we would have cared more if it was 100% about Helm Fucking Hammerhand being a badass for two hours instead, really. that was the selling point when people heard about it the first time and tmwe all wanted LotR shounen, let's be fair
