>cartoon """"satirizes"""" another cartoon that's doing much better in popularity by painting them as stupid and dumb while they of course are very smart and coolIs there anything in animation more cringe than this?
>>146949681Reportedly, it was actually going to be Bart himself, until Matt said no. That may or may not have impacted things.
>>146949681The secret is to make fun of something that even the fans of the other show makes fun of.
>>146949681>when the Simpsons lampooned South Park
>>146949773Yeah but they actually like South Park, at least from what I've heard.
>>146949681https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AffectionateParody
>>146949773The Simpsons was extra based because they went out of their way to get a layout artist from the show for their Ren & Stimpy skit.
Warner Bros and MGM would literally be nowhere in the old days without outright copying Disney
>>146949839That's what they did before, but Tex Avery was all like, "Fuck that cutesy shit and have them all kill each other!" I've always thought it was for the better.
>>146949681>Took potshots at the Simpsons, Roger Rabbit, Nightmare Before Christmas, and An American Tail, while being not better than any of them or had the impactWhat was with Tiny Toon's writers anyway? Why were they so bitter?
>>146949815Link NOT related
>>146949986Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were both variety shows. They needed lots of short sketches. Of course some of the ideas were going to be parodies.
>>146949986Bitter Rivalry, i mean, Disney got their Renaissence in theathers and they also started doing well on Television with Ducktales and Rescue Rangers (tough to be fair the Warner shows even if they were less in quantity at first, they were funnier)
>>146950111I mean this was obviously in the 90s, in the 80s things were a bit different, for starters, Disney lend Warner use footage of Snow White for the theather scene in Gremlins because probably Spielberg or Dante loved that film, and probably because while Warner was enjoying their renaissence in the 80s, Disney wasnt doing well at the time, then in the late 80s during Roger Rabbit's production Spielberg managed to get them to co-operate in tandem along with MGM, Universal and Paramount lending their characters appear as well, and remember, originally the animated cameos were gonna be just chroma keyed archive footage of the Disney characters, (this is seen in the Toon Town scene), but when they got WIlliams and its team on board, they went balls out with their moving camera teqchinique and special light accuracy effects, after this, WB and Disney would go on their own, but also, Disney offered Williams to finish The Thief and the Cobbler, but Warner offered him more so he went with them, disney got bitter so they did Aladdin and got Eric Goldberg under them to design the Genie, (Goldberg used to work for Williams and finalized the design of ZigZag), then Williams failed to meet deadline and Warner bailed out and Aladdin got released first and then the Completation Bond and recuts of The Thief happened and it ended up being a mess.
>>146949681>>146949986I feel like it comes across more bitter than appreciative due to how the tiny toon characters end up killing the characters that they're taking potshots at.
>>146949854>I've always thought it was for the better.Clearly not, because Looney Tunes has only ever clawed its way to a shadow of Disney's popularity AFTER they gave up on the dark humor and violent gags. Today's audiences equate WB characters with Space Jam and inoffensive cartoons like CN's Looney Tunes Show (the one with the ditzy Lola).All edgy media succumbs to defanged, family-friendly Flanderization eventually.
>>146950317>the one with the ditzy LolaI won't lie, that's actually the BEST Lola.
>>146950317>TLTS>Inoffensive
>>146950317You forgot to mention an important thing: Tiny Toons was not edgy in the slightest.
>>146949735>Reportedly, it was actually going to be Bart himselfWhat would the joke be there? Sounds dumb.
>>146949986An American Tail was also a Spielberg production so I doubt they were venomous towards it.
Why did they call it Tiny Toons? Even the title is wrong.
>>146949986What makes you think a parody means you hate the original? In what universe, in what reality did TT writers hate Roger Rabbit???????
>>146950096>were both variety showsand utter garbage
>>146950347I mean that's the only version with an actual personality.Besides "sexy girl boss". She's still attractive but that isn't her main gimmick.I'd prefer if they used this version of her for newer projects. Ahem SJ2 (where she isn't even sexy so there goes all of her "character")Because WOMAN wasn't something impactful for the 2010's.That show deserved a revival for all the old coots who complained because THIS SHOW HAS NO EXPLOSIONS NO ONE IS DYING THIS SUCKS!
>>146950445What are you confused about?
>>146950533I actually grew up on TLS, so the complaints at the time didn't resonate with me.
>>146950412>Tiny Toons was not edgy in the slightest.Compared to the Disney and HB slop of the time, it was. Shit ton of furry fanservice.
>>146950559I think he means it's "Looney TUNES", and that having the spinoff switch to "TOONS" is effectively copping to the common misnomer, or worse (but unlikely), the show creators didn't realize.
>>146950533>sexy girl bossIsn't OG Lola more of a femme fatale?Also, people would be ass blasted with how desexualized LTS Lola was if the show came out today.
>>146949681They knew it wasn't gonna land, that's why they didn't just spoof Bart, they made him fat so you'd dislike him
>>146950609It was initially named Tiny Tunes at first, but they changed it later on.
>>146950604Compared to Roger Rabbit, Simpsons, or classic animation it wasn't edgy. They never used guns, or smoking, or un-pc humor. Nor really was there ever much actual violence or tearing wit and satire. Granted, Animaniacs was slightly more edgy, but it never bit extremely hard. It's difficult to not view the edgiest parts of Animaniacs (parodies and sexy girls) as something following in the footsteps of Simpsons and Roger Rabbit.
>>146950701I love the look of how this ring is painted
>>146949681sometimes is done right
>>146950790I'm still waiting on that Family Guy/Bob's Burgers crossover.
>>146949681>cringeYeah, people using kid words like this one on 4chan.
>>146950802How about "coal"?
>>146950523Shut up fag
>>146949681>>146949785What makes you think Tiny Toons writers didn't like Simpsons? Are you the guy who made the thread bitching about their Ren & Stimpy parody too? Why do you need there to be a conflict happening here?
>>146950754>They never used guns,They did and more>smokingHad an episode about it. As well as underage drinking
>>146950754>They never used guns, or smoking, or un-pc humor.I don't recall any instances of real life guns, but 1 or 2 of these things are false. They had "Rosanne is fat" jokes. And probably worse tucked in there.
>>146949681This was Tiny Toons and Animaniacs bread and butter
>>146950754They used teen smoking and teen drinking
>>146950843>>146950875Yeah, nothing screams edgy like educational episodes that says smoking and drinking is bad.
>>146950647>Isn't OG Lola more of a femme fatale?Hard to say. She had like 5 minutes of screen time and like 3 lines.
>>146950916Just a technicality, chief. But it wasn't a great point for you to try and make. By the 80's, basically nobody was using smoking in kids cartoons anymore (unless it was to teach not to do it).
The most annoying thing about all of those "Spielberg Presents" cartoons was the smug sense of superiority the writers had to just about anyone and anything they didn't like. Then they'd hit you with an impression of some 50s celebrity kids born in the 80s wouldn't give a fuck about and pat themselves on the back for it,
>>146951131I'd take that over being called -ist or -phobic over not liking a cartoon.
>>146950647Desexualized?https://youtu.be/l2F7Y5h4hoo
>>146951235Yes, compared to the OG.
>>146951339Sure. There she was just sexy.Here she had other traits.
>>146950754Autists are disagreeing with you because TECHNICALLY they are right (even though you are more right overall).
>>146949681Tiny Toons always gave off autistic furry pedo vibes.
>>146949681Matt, why are you such an insecure faggot?
>>146950799Family Guy's beef with Bob's Burgers was especially sad because BB was running circles around them but their narrative insisted that it was a failure.
>>146951738You didn't know what a "furry" was in the 90's, fuckin idiot. Nobody did.
>>146949827I always wondered why that scene in particular looked so on model but the animation so off, that's really interesting. Thanks for posting this anon.
>>146951805Or autism, for that matter
>>146951807No problem! Here's a fun fact, Rough Draft Studios was originally an animation studio meant specifically for Ren & Stimpy when Carbunkle was too busy working on what Spumco deemed to be their "best." Eventually, they would animate on The Simpons, so everything is relative.
>>146951788Is that the fag who keeps making Tiny Toon drama threads?
>>146951805Furries in the 90's already were a thing.Even if you didn't call it that way.Lola Bunny exists man. Minerva Mink. Tawna Bandicoot. Etc.
>>146951933It doesn't matter if they "exist." You asserted that it always gave off "autistic furry pedo vibes." So how did you know that if you were 100% unaware of any furry community that may have existed? Next time just don't say retarded buzzword drivel on the internet when you think you want to look cool..
>>146951933What was it like being an Amiga furry? I'm not Bri'ish, nor was I born during that time.
>>146951795bob's burgers is better than family guy anyway don't want a good show tainted by family guy
>>146949827did they get Kricfalusi himself for this one?
>>146951952Anon WTF you're talking to someone else.I never said "autistic furry pedo vibes".I'm the one who posted the Looney Tunes Show clip.
>>146951957No clue I'm a zoomer I just did my research.
>>146952010>I'm a zoomerHey, that makes us both zoomers!
>>146951990>you're talking to someone else.Then you're still a fucking idiot for stepping in to defend his claim.
>>146952042No? I just mentioned furries in the 90's were a thing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom
>>146952068I don't care about your little "ACKCHEWULLY" I was talking to the faggot who spouted buzzwords. I think I've made that abundantly clear by now.
>>146952077Nobody remembers that show besides the furries who wanna fuck some character.Me Fifi for example.
>>146950424the joke is "look we have a guest cartoon on our cartoon show"Tiny Toons was trying SO HARD to be hip, but as a friend of mine was just saying, it was being crushed under the weight of 80s cartoon tv and its trappings. All the references to nintendo and MTV were not going to change the fact that it was quite goofy and forced to teach lessons periodically.
>>146952195Anon, TMNT 87 and AoSTH were dorky as fuck. They certainly became a part of the zeitgeist, but one can easily say the same for Tiny Toons and Animaniacs.
>>146950701Why did they change it, trademark issues?
>>146949681My perception of Tiny Toons was it that it was a lesser version of Animaniacs.
>>146952332>Ninja Turtles was always seen as coolTo little boys aged 10-12. 87 is campy and childish, and to no one's surprise, the fans of the original comics tend to resent it pretty openly.>Sonic was always seen as straight up cool maybe in due in part thanks to Sega's marketingAgain. To little boys aged 10-12. Jaleel White going "AAAAH'M WAITEEEN!" and spouting buzzwords, all the while doing a glorified Bugs Bunny disguise routine to the two most retarded henchmen in history wasn't as cool as you remember it being.It's fine that you liked them both. Really. Even I did. But your nostalgia is coloring your perception. These shows were not objectively "cool" especially when holding them up to other shows of the era like "Tiny Toons." You just personally think they are.
>>146952474>spouting buzzwordsYou meant "catchphrases"?
>>146952474NTA, but how can you judge the quality of something without letting your own nostalgia get in the way? I personally love a few Teletoons I grew up with, but I can't help but think I overpraise them a bit.
>>146952488Yes, sorry. The point still stands.
>>146952416>>146950445Because Roger Rabbit popularized the idea of calling cartoon characters "Toons" and Roger Rabbit was the main thing driving Spielberg's Saturday morning interests.
>>146952466My perception is the opposite. Tiny Toons often had episodes about the core cast (6 characters give or take) going on adventures or being involved in antics, while Animaniacs was like a series of bad, not particularly funny, heavily repeated Saturday Night Live sketches.>"HE'S A GIANT CHICKEN, I TELL YOU!"It had some better parts, but overall Tiny Toons felt less formulaic.
>>146952502Well for starters, you don't try to assert your personal viewpoint as immutable fact. That "the world loved TMNT and hated Tiny Toons." No, both were breakout hits and household names. Hell, Tiny Toons beat Batman for an emmy. Fucking BTAS! That is a high bar to clear.
>>146949986>Roger Rabbit>His only scene is him pimpslapping Ralph as he's driving through the front gateI don't think you know what you're talking about.
>>146952632Phew. Well in that case, I know for damn sure the shit I like didn't catch on . (Not that I really need it to, since I don't expect people to like the same shit I do.).
>>146949681don't have a cow, man
>>146951091Codename KND had The Boss or whatever his name was with a cigar, and Father had a pipe. Professor Utonium in PPG also often had a pipe. I think Dexter's dad did too.
>>146951805The furry fandom began in the 70s, inspired by Disney's Robin Hood (the one with Baloo from Jungle Book and Hood as a fox)
>>146954104I don't think they ever showed it lit, so they gave it a pass. But even if they did, it's such an antiquated form of smoking, and doubles as a "Leave it to Beaver" era Americana symbol of fatherhood.But to stick to the point he was trying to make, do you think including it in any of these listed instances makes THOSE shows edgy? Specifically for including it, that is. If not, it's just another technicality without a point behind it.
>>146954118Bro, all of that is irrelevant because NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT. If you asked someone in the 90's what a "furry" is they'd say "no." Do not pretend the internet era's information proliferation was always a thing. People still read shit in newspapers back then, and that is not the kind of thing Joe Schmoe sees in the headlines.Anon saying "IT ALWAYS SEEMED LIKE A FURRY THING" is just a hindsight 20/20 worthless take. Of course it fucking didn't. And all the people who felt funny looking at Maid Marian or Robin Hood doesn't change that.
>>146954156The vast majority of people today don't know what furries are either.
>>146954176I'm pretty sure most people confuse furries for otherkins.
>>146954176Enough know that it has entered the cultural sphere by now. Even normalfag sitcoms have riffed on it. It was a huge thing people made fun of back in 00's-10's.
>>146949681They also mocked Ren & Stimpy >>146930387 a lot of Tiny Toons humor relied on what was culturally relevant at the time, Animaniacs was the same but elevated multiple times.
>>146954144No, I was just countering the statement that smoking stopped showing up in kids cartoons in the 80s.
>>146949681Animation in general.
>>146954144Like I said...>If not, it's just another technicality without a point behind it.
>>146954191The difference is Animaniacs had its own running gags it leaned on. So instead of cultural awareness, you just needed show awareness.It wasn't necessarily any funnier though.
>>146950317>Clearly not, because Looney Tunes has only ever clawed its way to a shadow of Disney's popularity AFTER they gave up on the dark humor and violent gags.When was this?
>>146954156Seinfeld made fun of furries in a video about the production of Bee Movie.Generally, animators would probably be among the first ones to be aware of the furry scene.
>>146954214That would have been 2007+, so yeah. The internet knew by then.
>>146950701Is there more early/prototype stuff? Never seen anything of that regarding Tiny Toons.
>>146951131Yes, it's annoying when a series tells you that you have to dislike another piece of fiction even when it's universally panned.
>>146954270Panned schmanned, the only opinion that counts is my own.
>>146954210Makes it sound like animatics relies way too much on the fact they’re jokes involve a sort of fact of how they work or some shit like that with demonstrations, kinda like explaining the whole thing right?
>>146952474>To little boys aged 10-12. 87 is campy and childish, and to no one's surprise, the fans of the original comics tend to resent it pretty openly.Eh, TMNT 2003 was closer to the comics and the crossover special they had with 87 they deliberatedly made them look like complete idiots, even then the later TMNT series would be closer to it than the comics.
>>146954118Little John isn't Baloo.>>146954189I think there're even less people who know what otherkins are.
>>146954292No, I mean "character says or does a familiar thing, that's the joke." That's what a running gag is. Something that happens again and again over the course of a show and the humor is derived from that fact.Think like: Pesto gets mad at Squit, and then starts hitting him in a cloud of violence.Now, part of that is a Good Fellas reference. But it became a "running gag" because it happened in goddamn every episode. And they were hoping that repetition made it funny (it didn't).There's a million other examples in Animaniacs alone, because it's very lazy and easy for the writers to do. Thinking about something witty for characters to say is hard. But making them do a "routine" and hope the audience finds the callback hilarious takes the burden off them.
>>146954301>the crossover special they had with 87 they deliberatedly made them look like complete idiotsDoesn't that support the notion that people didn't remember the 87 turtles as "cool?"
>>146954365No. It only made the writers of the 2003 series look like spiteful for no reason.
>>146954416Only if you disagree with them.
>>146954312I was being sarcastic. The actor for Baloo, Phil Harris, was so popular that Disney recast him in several lead roles after Jungle Book, and even reused Baloo's design in Robin Hood. Pat Buttram was was another actor from that era they liked and reused multiple times (he played the Sheriff in Robin Hood)
>>146954156The lack of popular term for it doesn't mean the sentiment wasn't there. It's just hindsight that has people calling it what they are. You're getting hung up on the vernacular when the point was the vibrations the thing gave off. He's just using newer terminology to describe a feeling that did exist, but didn't have a common, accepted term.
>>146954508It's not about "the absence of a term." It's about "the absence of the concept." People didn't know you could be sexually obsessed with animal people as a thing. Like that didn't cross the mind of normalfags back then.Cartoon animal people were just a thing that existed in cartoons because they held the attention of children better and had a natural cuteness to them. It wasn't a kink thing yet in any meaningful capacity because it just wasn't.I'm tired of you kids acting like the world always had to be like it is now. It wasn't. You'll have to take my fucking word on this one because you weren't born yet.
>>146954445>have established characters act out of character>hurr durr you disagreeAre you only pretending to be retarded?
>>146954559But... it wasn't out of character. In that campy show, they made stupid decisions all the time so the plot could happen. Even Shredder was more of a clown than you probably remember.
>>146954365As long as you believe in fanfiction.
i am convinced now that this is either a schizo or a baiter
>>146954566>But... it wasn't out of character.Except it was out of character. Having an incorrect depiction of characters whom within their own continuity have already established personality and traits only makes the writers look retarded. Their depiction doesn't match the show at all.
>>146949735Epstein was right.
>>146949986I've heard a lot of the writers weren't really animation writers but got the gigs hoping it would be a stepping stone to working on films with Spielberg, but that could be hearsay.
>>146950647>Also, people would be ass blasted with how desexualized LTS Lola was if the show came out today.you're right and i hate it. when did this board get so lame
I’ll always remember Tiny Toons fairly well for no other reason than the Kennedy Cartoons episodes were the first time I recognized something as having bad animation and unappealing character designs.
>>146955333I think the sentiment behind wanting female characters to stay sexy is justified, even if I think LTS Lola is the more interesting take on the character.
>>146955374i don't. there's nothing funny about lola's original design or even her name, she's just furry fapbait
>>146950790here, you have also Homer as a bonushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlY6CBBCY9s
>>146952552Secret of Nimh is really the origin point for Spielberg wanting to produce animation. He couldn't believe people were still able to make something like that, because it resembled Disney's first films which were like 40+ years old by that point. One of the biggest reasons why Roger Rabbit could even happen was because Spielberg was *the* big shot of Hollywood, and could negotiate with the big companies to use their characters together.
>>146950701What are these circles supposed to represent anyway?
>>146955447Nothing. It's just how title cards were stylized in many old shorts. I guess the aperture just naturally implies an opening or closing.
>>146951170>I'd take that over being called -ist or -phobic over not liking a cartoon.Anon you're such a fucking faggot, holy shit. You really get bent out of shape over rich people not liking you. Fucking neck thyself.
>>146950777Trips of Taste. It definitely gives me a nostalgic 80s feeling.
>>146955412I'm pissed that we don't have someone like Spielberg in current Hollywood.
>>146956144Closest thing you’re going to get is Seth Rogen. This is the future allowed to happen
>>146956144Guess not. People like Lucas, Spielberg, or Peter Jackson are a dying breed. Disney still has the power to do it, it's just harder now.
>>146956176Hell no. JJ Abrams was also lame.>>146956204Only Spielberg didn't completely drop the ball out of these.
>>146956276Spielberg killed a girl.
One of the best things about Tiny Toons is that they made Babs and Fifi so waif-y. It's like they got it.
>>146956621Kys
>>146954541>People didn't know you could be sexually obsessed with animal people as a thingYes, they did. It was just a more generalized weirdness. Maybe not normalfags, but a lot of normalfags today are still wholly unfamiliar with what a furry is. "Because it just wasn't" was just your personal experience. I personally knew people who had the hots for cartoon animals back then. Your presumptuous arrogance doesn't help your point. Furries were a thing. They just weren't called that because there was no unified lingo for it. Ricky from down the street who wanted to fuck Bugs Bunny and himself wished he was an animal did exist, but we just called him weird. Your weird idea of cultural lull or stasis is just ignorant. Concepts have existed in forms recognizable to those today for far longer than you give them credit. There's a reason people say there isn't a new idea under the sun. Nearly anything you can imagine has been felt or dreamed by someone long past. I don't know why 1) you think normalfags are the metric and 2) you think you know anything about normalfags when your cultural sphere is so limited that you seem to think furries are a wholly modern development.
>>146957333You're acting like the internet was always a thing. It wasn't. Animal women were just a children's cartoon thing. And nobody had reason to suspect otherwise.
>>146957333You're conflating "people who found animal women attractive" with "furries." A common mistake.
>>146957376Can you expound the difference?
>>146957582Anyone can see a shapely cartoon girl on the screen and say "she's hot!" Hell, half the time the animators were counting on it. You didn't have to self-identify as some kind of fetishist for that to happen. And in fact I'm sure the animators who were into it did not.That's a very "modern" notion that anybody who got a boner for these characters was automatically a part of some degenerate sub-culture. Very black and white way of looking at things.
>>146954593This
>>146949681Am I crazy, or did they do something similar with a thinly veiled Animaniacs reference? I swear I saw something like that once as a child but I've never seen any evidence or heard it brought up since.
>>146949827I bet Film Roman paid them way more than Games Animation ever did for this short too.
>>146949681
>>146949854Well that and their making fun of Fantasia had everyone look disheveled and dirty.
>>146956204The Chip and Dale movie had crazy cameos. It just also sucked.
>>146958834NuAnimaniacs throwing shade like they had room to criticize anybody else with their flavorless inoffensive "design by committee" shit. I'd take unironic 2000's edge over that any day.
>>146949986Like everything else Tiny Toons, they were imitating 1940s Looney Tunes. Which were most known for constant pop culture gags and shorts making fun of some movie or actor at the time. Animaniacs did the same thing.But overall Warner in animation always had that reputation of being the wacky, comedy studio over the more whimsical fairytale Disney and overly cutesy sing along cute cuddly animals MGM. It was their whole identity to have the crazy violent cartoons where everyone was blown up with dynamite or flattened by an anvil. So they did more of that in the 90s when Disney was making the safe and sterile family friendly cartoons, Warner was making the crazy violent ones with cartoon bombs and hammers.
>>146952474>To little boys aged 10-12Yes, the actual literal target audience and the only people ever intended to see the show at all. No one in the entire production assumed anyone older than 12 would even be remotely interested in it or bother with it. That was well understood at the time.
>>146958960Anon, there's no cutoff at age 12. The point was even a 13 year old wouldn't be impressed.
>>146956144Spielberg came about and wanted quality because he came up in the 60s and 70s, an era known for when no one put an element of effort into really anything at all. Nothing made at the time had any effort placed into it almost like all skill to make anything was just gone. Everything was cheap and mass produced.The architecture took an extreme backseat. when you can go look at a building made in the 40s that had ornately decorated floors and doorknobs, then see a building made in 1975 that was all beige or tanned yellow unadorned flat plastic. See a movie made in the 40s that drew every single snowflake, then a cartoon made in the 70s where they refuse to put a background and leave it as a basic paint splatter.Everything was like this, clothing, appliances, houses, anything. It was all bland flat and featureless. Movies were just as lazy and pointless.Spielberg, Disney and several others wanted a return to quality again. Actually spend a little more money and make something worthwhile again. It seems like we are back into that rut of everything being as cheap and toned down as humanly possible.
>>146959051Spielberg was a bigger hero than I realized.
>>146959051The 70's is the american film era snobs worship to this day.
>>146958996Yes there is, it's called the target demo for the advertisers who are paying for the episodes.Shows were made to the specifications of the sponsors, not the audience. Audience has to fall into specific demographics so their products could be advertised towards them and sell products. This is why some shows were cancelled despite getting good ratings. they were drawing in the wrong audience and not targeting the demo that the advertisers wanted. So their products were not selling as a result.
>>146956621Even from the thumbnail I can tell this is ai
>>146958996Yeah there was. Before the 90s or so it was genuinely assumed that no adults or teens would ever watch cartoons at all. Not even as a watch with the kids kind of thing. So almost no one added in anything to a cartoon that an adult would like since they just did not bother with them. That whole idea of someone older than 13 bothering with a cartoon was more of a 90s era invention.
>>146959080Movies themselves were great in the 70's. All the major Hollywood studios were bankrupt through the late 50's/60'sm the 70's brought back ambitious productions while also having cheaper productions that were well made.
>>146959081>>146959118Your point is irrelevant because you (or the anon further up the chain at least) tried to assert Tiny Toons "wasn't cool" compared to these two. If you stick inside your own selectively-imposed 2 year window, yes it was.
>>146959080For almost the same reasons too though. Because it was so barebones it attracted the arthouse snobs that claim to hate things mainstream or filled with pageantry and special effects or anything gaudy to attract the attention of the unwashed masses.It was basically art fags being contrarian artfags again. They like a movie that's half an hour of some guy smoking in an empty room, and partly because the normal non artfag cannot stand that shit.
>>146958900MGM did both wacky and Disney wannabe stuff in the 40s. People remember Tom and Jerry and Tex Avery, but they also did a bunch of slower stuff that resembled Silly Symphonies. It's a shame that content isn't as remembered because MGM was probably the 2nd or 3rd best company at the time. Either way, both WB and MGM owed a huge amount to Disney. Even looking past the parodies of Snow White or Dumbo, it's clear that the other companies were using Silly Symphonies as the basis. Just look at something like Tortoise and Hare or Three Orphan Kittens. I know the stereotype of Disney is that they only made content like Funny Little Bunnies, but it really isn't completely true. They did physical comedies with Donald, Goofy, Pluto, and their full films used drama and death.
>>146959122I would say at the end of the 70s. 77 and after, but also for the same reason listed above. Everything before was cheap meaningless shit.
>>146959146Once Tex Avery moved over there. Before him MGM was all sickeningly sweet cute singing animals crap. They basically wanted Tex to do the same there as he did at Termite Terrace.
>>146959138The point is irrelevant because that anon is fucking wrong.
>>146952474its funny, i remember catching reruns of the original tmnt cartoon in the 90s when i was a real little kid, and i liked itthen when the 03 cartoon came out i actively avoided it because i heard it wasnt fun/campy anymore, and i didnt appreciate the idea of them 'changing the formula'but at some point i did watch it a bit and got hooked
>>146949681Leave it to Family Guy to ruin it for everyone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApLWO2WCTU4
>>146959155Godfather was 72, Excorcist was 73, Jaws and One Flew over the Cuckoo's nest were 75,Clockwork Orange was 71, just to name few. There's a ton of movies from before 77 that hold up.
>>146955352Good Lord I absolutely despised them always dancing in place. Once I was old enough to notice I just skipped those poorly animated episodes entirely in lieu of the better looking ones. I mean that looks like a hop, skip and a jump away from that terrible MC Hammer cartoon.>>146957667Freaking nice. Look at that animation. How good the characters look. No wonder people got off on drawing furry cartoons. They're so cool.
>Tiny Toons thread on /co/ has been up for almost a day>No sign of FamicomI don't believe itAnyways I always thought Tiny Toons sucked ass especially when compared to Animaniacs. I still don't know why if they were going to create suspiciously similar substitutes for the regular WB characters they didn't just use the regular WB characters. Some asshole or assholes at Time Warner probably got in the way>>146951989Fuck you that made me smirk
>>146959181Both of them were definitely fun and worth watching. Glad you came around.
>>146959079Spielberg was best friends with Lucas, who made Star Wars. Star Wars was incredibly high effort at the time. The laborers of Star Wars are called ILM, and they're involved with pretty much every significant Hollywood film. Pixar started off as an ILM subgroup originally.
>>146959080>>146959236It's called New Hollywood
>>146959241Yeah. Thank god Kennedy didn't even touch "How I Spent my Summer Vacation." It's beautiful all the way through.
>>146959331“Hello~! Are we putting on a little weight, n’est ce pas?”Really should redraw this when I get home where she is.
>>146959236What in all fuck do people seriously see in Clockwork Orange? I've seen it a few times, never got why it was supposed to be the most amazing avant garde film ever made, and at this point I seriously do not thin anyone else could either.
>>146959297I know, I was worried calling it that would make people confused.Anyway, it's funny how some snobs cry about how Star Wars ruined everything when they can't see it was inevitable.
>>146959255Animaniacs had far worse characters and actually suffered from seasonal rot. TTA Was more consistent in quality, with only the animation being worse if Kennedy was involved.
>>146959492The film snobs bemoan how it all changed. Star Wars ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster with toys, shirts, McDonald's tie-ins etc when the film snobs are only interested in the arthouse overly dramatic enigmatic weird shit and the concept of film as an art form, not entertainment. They view Star Wars as patient zero for film turning into just mindless meaningless crap for the filthy commoners.Because 20 years earlier that is what they viewed TV to be. The mass produced shit for the ignorant plebeians, while film was still the respectable medium for "True" artists and aficionados. Summer popcorn flicks fucked that all up for them and they have been seething over it for 45 years.
So hey who else likes Shirley and her cute valley girl accent
>>146959614They should have sent Minow to Dealey Plaza instead of JFKI don't think it would have gotten the same reception but maybe the man behind the knoll wouldn't have noticed
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>>146959630I like Babs most. Because she's tomboyish and silly, but not in a fake or annoying way (to me anyway). It's rare to see a protagonist like Babs today.
>>146950701Those circular things look so tasty. I want to eat it.
>>146959894The only really "tomboy" thing about Babs is she doesn't have long hair. Otherwise she's more dorky than boyish, doing celebrity impressions without worrying about what people think of her.
>>146959241You cant even talk about the ones done by that jap studio without summoning that mod who uses the identity of Famicom that posts the same schizo posts of that loli from that shit Kodomo animu who's name isnt even the one given in the US.
>>146952257well i think his point is that those shows accomplished what TT was trying to do, better. separately.TMNT actually did have a lot of genuinely funny sarcastic bits, which was an innovation at the timeand AoStH knew full well what it was doing right from the start, being incredibly stupid and funny without giving two fucks about logic or avoiding looking stupid.Tiny Toons was trying to have both, and it didn't manage either.
>>146954416"no reason"try making a tv show sometime, getting fucked with by execs, then finally having more freedom. see what you do. your farts don't stink less than Laird or Tezuka's
>>146960368The shows are way too different to say "these other ones accomplished TT's goal." TT tried to be very 90's and cultural while doing a very different spin on Looney Tunes' cast. TMNT is an action show with some sporadic humor. And Sonic is just completely zany with an extra thin veneer of an action protagonist. Outside of this thread I wouldn't even pit their formulas against one another.
>>146952257Sonic definitely was dorky. But it was just the latest video game cartoon. TMNT just lingered too long. It was big a hugely popular in 89-90 but after a while the original audience grew up and by 92-93, it was not cool for them to be into ninja turtles any longer. While the next group of 8 year olds were not as into it as the 89 crowd, they had newer things they were more interested in. Plus Power Rangers really took over by then.Tiny Toons was more of a show that happened to be on and not the greatest thing ever in 91. It was one of the rare few new things on in the afternoon in a time when afternoon cartoons were usually reruns of old Saturday morning cartoons. Kids could only see so many Chipmunks, Beetlejuice, and Muppet Babies reruns so many times before that became tiring.
>>146960001lol
>>146956621Why does it look stolen? Artist?
>>146951235Her voice is so deep, she sounds like a zoomer girl
>>146951235You really think this clip is comparable to this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiYLl4_c6Ow
>>146961228>Artist?Some Anonymous /co/ user who typed Fifi into an image generator
ok but when the FUCK are we going to get a box set of Steven Spielberg's Toonsylvania
>>146959768>>146955352I just noticed John K animates his characters dancing in place too. I'm kinda mindbroken rn.
>>146961911He was always a hack.
>>146959079Spielberg the producer gets a lot less shine than Spielberg the director and he admittedly hated it in the 80s, but some of the biggest movies of four decades just do not happen without him being a producer
>>146959155What the fuck are you even talking about? You don't know film.
>>146961228Looks like Tenchi Muyo used as a base for the AI prompt. I mean i dig the idea aesthetically, but feel bad this was and never will be curated or created by a human hand. So accurate repetition is an impossibility, like pushing the "random" button on a music playlist, getting a perfect transition between tracks and never having it happen ever again.
>>146950790Kill yourself
>>146963250You guys are a bit too ridiculous with your woe over an AI image. There's not enough artists out there to explore every concept with every character. It's fine if someone generates something in like 15 seconds just to see if it looks good. It doesn't need to be that it replaced a real artist. A great many people who type in these prompts was never going to pick up a pen for more than a napkin doodle.Hell, If a real artists now want to ape that recipe and use the spit and polish that comes with a human artist doing something from scratch, fantastic! That avenue is open to them and they are free to do that now.
>>146963462Nah. It's not woe over the tech, it's just...i want to know the money flow, and the reasoning behind it. It doesn't go to an human artist, it's a tech billionaire dropping a huge server filled heat sink in the desert, dousing it with water, draining a city's power grid and pretending it's a boon to technology, when it really amounts to nothing more than a novelty programming trick, for some other neckbeard to masturbate to.I mean in that way, it's what the art market has always been, just with more steps and worse results.
>>146963737That sure sounds like woes to me. It is what it is. If you want to offset this tech, draw more, or even just commission more real art by paying artists.
>>146963836This software is a fragile scheme whose status and practical use is far from settled in any domain, and right now its profitability hinges on the story of unaccountability to the people it preys on, without which it would not exist. If someone gives enough of a shit to exercise foresight and human judgment about that, they’re just paying attention.
>>146963836Can't outdraw billions of instant gratifications.But I can craft something superior given enough time.Sadly, all worthwhile art never moved past being a luxury item. Used for display of status.All the billions being dumped into AI are being done so at the cost of other media. It's the unfortunate trend toward fast and easy society defaults to.
>>146963961>Can't outdraw billions of instant gratifications.>But I can craft something superior given enough time.So it's still worth doing then? Then we're back at square 1. Just fuckin' do it.
>>146963937You talk like a nerd. Look, nobody cares about its "settled use" and nobody cares about profit except people making patreons over this. I can run this software at home on my PC. Unlike ChatGPT this is a tool that isn't being syphoned down from a central server, a pipe that can be turned off if the masters dictate it. That means it is NEVER going away. So cope with the situation.
>>146964018It's animation. The thing that helps me weather the storm of stupid useless art while retaining my value. It's storytelling, craft, and technical knowhow all in one discipline I have yet to see any AI prompt replicate anything even resembling human artistic competency as far as animation is concerned. AI is like the kid who copied answers off the class dunce and then failed the test. But you're saying we should follow that kid's example because he's popular on the playground for wetting his pants.
>making fun of another show means they fucking hate it.The Family Guy episode of South Park was the WORST thing to ever fucking happen.
remember when some shows used to have this weird kind of animosity when it came to japanese stuff?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVCnO1D0HU
>>146964265I don't know why you people project everything as hatred. It can be heavy-handed and kind of dumb because that's what is funniest, you know.
>>146964265>>146964426>WELL YOU HAVE SACRIFICED STORY CONTENT FOR MINDLESS VIOLENCE AND LACK OF STRUCTURE!You can easily tell people at Cartoon Network were butthurt that an imported show like Dragon Ball Z was getting better ratings and coverage than their own cartoons.
>>146964434I mean, even so that's throwing shade like a roast would. The writers don't have to be actually butthurt to do that. Also isn't this from Billy and Mandy? This show did NOT play it close to the chest.
>>146954347Yeah but there’s something OFF about it still
ITT: men old enough to raise families argue about their favorite children’s cartoons
>>146964499johnny bravo, which makes it a bit weird because it really was out of nowhere.meanwhile Billy and Mandy seemed to be having actual fun with it's anime refs
>>146964426>EVERYTHING'S FINE>EVERYTHING'S FINE>EVERYYHING'S FINE
>>146949681Was this show even good, i genuinely don't remember much about it.
>>146964611It's a handful of writers for a cartoon, anon. Maintain a little perspective here. What could be the worst implication to take away from this? The USA having a fallout of good graces with Japan? No, that's stupid. Of course everything is fine.
>>146964644Yes, but it spawned furfags so the reputation has been skewed.
>>146964644It had some genuinely great concepts for episodes, and often threw everything at the wall. It held my attention, and aside from some really budget animation from time to time, seemed like WB kept a higher mark of quality than the average show.
>>146963250source on this art
>>146964434I kneel
>>146949681>Is there anything in animation more cringe than this?Yes, lots of cartoons did this it was just part of the landscape. If anything it was flattering for the show being parodied.
>>146949681Sounds like someone never saw the Animaniacs episode of The Mask.
>>146950790Still not even a joke. And the animal traits are actually built into the characters and not just for visual gags so the criticism doesn't even work and is actually wrong. Such a bad take and I don't even give a shit about blowjob horseman.
>>146956621Keep your ai slop in your containment thread slopshitter.
>>146959630Me. I fucking hate how the reboot treated her. She should have been one of Babs main BFFs and kept the accent and character. She's perfect. Shame she canonically ends up with fucking Plucky.
>>146964159How does every argument against AI always boil down to "AI is worthless shit that will never replace human artists" and "AI will destroy human artists by rendering them obsolete" simultaneously? Every single time.
>>146964265I'm annoyed western anime parodies went from "speed racer had bad dubbing" to muh dbz hair to shit like steven universe ripping off older shows for nerd cred. I feel like mid 2000s anime parodies are underrepresented.
>>146964994I mean I like the new Shirley, but it’s so different that it should’ve been a different character.>Shame she canonically ends up with fucking Plucky.You mean in the old show, right? I doubt they ever interact in Looniversity with how the writers only want Plucky to fuck Buster in the ass.
>>146964434The irony considering western cartoons didn't care for story too much yet anime had a story, a structure to follow AND violence if you were lucky.
>>146964833MAHO MUSHI
>>146964703https://www.deviantart.com/fluttershythekind/gallery
>>146965131Dichotomy of distrust in humans, or a savior proxy via technology narrative as a shorthand. I personally like the Hero's journey. Maybe a bit of hope or romance to string the reader along.But uh, bigger picture? People are generally stupid and easily led, unable to form opinions for themselves. Seeking escapism.
>>146959122What happened is the supreme court ruled the Studio System to be an illegal monopoly in 1948, which caused all the big studios to bleed to death through the 50s and early 60s because the whole of Hollywood had built its framework on it and couldn't just change course like that.
>>146958900>>146959163Tom and Jerry was MGM, and predates Tex's tenure by two years. Tom and Jerry is technically Hanna Barbera.
>>146964434Funny how DBZ had a much deeper and consequential story than any American cartoon of that era. Entire story arcs that last for years. >>146965170Because anime kinda went into remission culturally after the DBZ-Sailor Moon-Pokemon popularity died off around 2003. Like, we went back to the only people really watching it were the people who were really into it. I guess network execs figured the fad was over and they didn't need to compete with it anymore. The only anime airing for much of the 00s was niche stuff on adult swim and Naruto. None of which even came close to the level of popularity DBZ and Pokemon had in 1998-2001.
>>146964833>standing blowjob height>menacing
>>146965229In the old show yes. In the Official Album she sings about wanting to Marry him 'or like whatever.'
>>146949986that whole era was taking crack pot shots at each other
>>146965666Die Barneyfag.
I never even remotely understood the outright worship of Dbz. The idea that it's deeply sophisticated or emotionally compelling... I just don't see it, even in the slightest. It's boring, slow, nonsensical, aimed too young>you just don't like Japanese showsI guarantee I've seen more Japenese shows than most of you guys.
>>146967337>DBZAs someone whose first experience with the show was the syndicated "Ocean" dub in 1996 - it was unlike anything on TV at the time. It was genuinely violent when most shows were sanitized, it was serialized when everything was episodic. It had cool character designs that (IMO) were more appealing than most superhero stuff. It appeals to boys on a real base level.I'd say it's mostly nostalgia because the show is absolutely massively flawed (the pacing is absurd) but there's a reason it's been so popular worldwide for multiple generations.
>>146967337>The idea that it's deeply sophisticated or emotionally compelling...Literally no one ever said that, and every fan knows it's just a powerfantasy. The fact that Goku doesn't have any character development from episode 1 to last one is one of the common jokes among fans.
>>146967337try giving Kai a shot, pacing is improved as they cut the show basically in half.
>>146965170>speed racer had bad dubbingtrying to match the lip flaps was very tricky and it kind of still is. granted the Japanese don't really try that hard at matching lip flaps, most anime's animation is already finished and the seiyuu are recording to the finished animation.
>>146957376>You're conflating "people who found animal women attractive" with "furries."
>>146967337>I guarantee I've seen more Japenese shows than most of you guys.When you say things like that, especially preemptively, I doubt it immensely. Can you name one of these "Japanese shows" that you've seen? Should be simple since you've watched so many yeah?
>>146961355not him, LTS lola has unironically shown more cleavage and skin than space jam lola.space jam lola was more explicitly sexualized, but the other one was honestly sexier
LOL!
>>146968092Sure. For instance, I think 1973 Casshan is better and more interesting.
>>146949681>Is there anything in animation more cringe than this?Not taking the joke in stride and enjoying the gag and instead making threads about this topic here and there because your autism demands it.
>>146952823There was another scene where he auditioned to be on the show and he was rejected.
>>146968803Do you like Toriyama's style? I feel like if you don't instantly see appeal, people aren't going to be able to convince you why it's cool. Like you say it's nonsensical and aimed too young, so I assume things that people see as cool and fun you see as lame. Just different tastes.
>>146969111The appeal is obvious to me personally. Cool characters having super powered martial arts fights and getting stronger over the course of the show. That's something most boys can get into, and it remains fun as an adult. Obviously that applies to plenty of shonen, but DBZ did it well and was hugely influential. Toriyama's humor and creative designs help too. Besides the quality of Dragon Ball itself, I think the cultural significance explains the worship of it to a large extent. Both for its influence and the fact that so many Western anime fans were introduced to anime through Dragon Ball.
>>146967337Nostalgia mostly. DBZ wasn't the first over the top action shonen or the best but it was the first most of us saw. That is why you see so many absolute super fans who have still never watched the original series since most places outside of Japan aired DBZ first.It is like how for a lot of older Americans Voltron is the golden standard for mecha anime.
>>146969111I've read (some of) Dr. Slump and DB. I also like Dragon Quest. I don't have anything against his art style (nor did I even mention it). I think his art is good.
>>146969272>nor did I even mention itI know you didn't mention it. But you were asking about why people worship the show, and I think Toriyama's art style is a big part of why. So naturally I assumed you might not be as impressed with it.
>>146969228Yeah that's a big factor. My brother for example prefers Macross over any other mecha anime in part because he grew up watching Robotech on TV (and later we saw Macross Plus on VHS in the 90s).
>>146969165Toriyama's humor was his weak point, its crass and charmless
>>146969581I can see why it doesn't appeal to everybody, but a ton of people disagree. Dr. Slump was a huge hit, so there's a big audience for his humor.
>>146969625Work with Dr.slumo because it was a comedy of stupid morons being stupid morons.
>>146955447that buster was gay all along
Toriyama really had an issue with sameface. Like one of the Chrono Trigger characters is literally just Bulma with orange hair. Like you can tell it's his style because 95% of his non-Dragon Ball designs just look like Dragon Ball characters in different clothes.
>>146969828>anon discovers that artist have something known as "styles"are you gonna complain all don bluth's samefaces as well? Disney had different artist to design character which is why they can look different from each other (pre-CGI). Tezuka made the same faces as well. You can't compare the workforce of a single person to a studio that have more hands on desk
>>146967318>>146965666Not Barneyfag. Legit answer. June Kind. Also goes by @FtK_Artist on Twitter. Legit animator.
>>146969896Sameface and literally just the same design are two totally different things. Like the Bulma thing I mentioned. She doesn't just have a passing resemblance to Bulma. She IS Bulma with a new hair color. Tezuka was at least clever about it and likened his manga to stageplays or movies with the same actors.
>>146969828toriyama was lazy when needing to release a new chapter since he almost did them close to deadline, some of his illustrations outside manga pages are really well made so i figure toriyama since he got used to this style he was using, he dropped some quick designs for chrono trigger without bothering to polish it a bit, then again he might've been told to "use his dragon ball style" as square enix was no retard (back then) and knew toriyama was in his peak and his iconic style would increase sales (keep in mind he previously worked on dragon quest)
>>146969896I wonder if the old pros like Dejas, and Keane or the "Nine Old Men" suffered from sameface syndrome as artists. And that's what morphed into the "Disney" style. Which anime then used to maximize character appeal.
>>146970135i sometimes wonder which series sparked the 90's anime style even japs make fun of, was it saber marionette j?
>>146970181Probably, yes. or anything made on film with a 1:33:1 square aspect ratio, like Sailor Moon or Ranma. Pre-Digital. Although a lot of 90s was that hyper-everything. EXTREME! (Gore, nudity, action, pushing the medium)I do love people that use the medium correctly. To mirror human experience and emotional range, while telling a fantastical story. But everything eventually falls into shorthand methods due to "easy". Like the slew of Isekai we currently suffer under.I wonder what the next renaissance or technical innovation that the public adopts large scale will be. V-Tubers and online avatars perhaps.
>>146969896Toriyama legitimately did have a particularly bad case of sameface syndrome after Z. A good portions of his designs were just teen Gohan in different clothes.It worked for him but even a lot of DBZ fans joke about it.
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>>146970628lol
>>146970628I like Dragon Quest way more than DBZ. It's just straight forward, plus I can emulate them on my phone. As a matter of fact, I'm playing DQ2 right now>Toriyama's humor was his weak point, its crass and charmlessA lot of DBZ is satire. I don't get how people never notice.
>>146971290>A lot of DBZ is satireI really don't believe you. There are plenty of typical slapstick and pun jokes and sometimes referential humor like the Ginyu force being a Super Sentai parody but satire is not something that I noticed.
>>146971334The entire premise is largely inspired by martial arts movies (Bruce Li, etc), and pro-wrestling (see: Toriyama's affinity for Kinnikuman). Also it's derived from Journey To The West and Superman. Also certain stories are based on pop culture (Androids are obviously based on Terminator). Also see anything from Dr. Slump.
>>146971461That isn't really satire. That is just it being inspired by stuff.
>>146971461In complete sincerity, aside from Goku having monkey qualities and being strong with a staff while going on a journey...how is it like Journey to the West? It's like saying a hero is derived from Superman because he can fly and wears a cape.
>>146971530Schizo
>>146971485Maybe satire isn't exactly the right word, but I think you know what I mean anyway. His work has a self-aware and happy go lucky type of attitude where it knows it's weird and tongue in cheek in a purposeful way. I think if you read between the lines, you can see he thinks it's fun and funny. But I'm not saying that as a bad thing, I wish more people acknowledged his sense of humor
What the actual fuck happened to this thread? I've only posted a few messages on here, and now I can't keep up.
IDGI
>>146973007The joke is that "Blart" was thinking that Tiny Toons would be another animated sitcom, but he walked into zany slapstick instead.
>>146965953What are you talking about, Naruto was hugely succesful
>>146954238Proto-logos
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>>146950317>Clearly not, because Looney Tunes has only ever clawed its way to a shadow of Disney's popularity AFTER they gave up on the dark humor and violent gags.Dumbest take ever written.
>>146968099Besides, LTS Lola officially went no-pan.
>>146975084Well, she is the type of girl who would forget them
>>146949681Isn't this the cartoon equivalent of the handsome face meme?
>>146949681Couldn't they have drawn him like, not terribly? The ren and stimpy parody was pretty close, why is Not-Bart so hideous?
>>146975541shit studio
>>146976636This and the Ren & Stimpy one were both done by Wang. They improved a little in 2 years.They could’ve at least gotten AKOM to do it like their earlier Simpsons reference.
>>146964833>Frieza is an even bigger manlet than VegetaOuch.
>>146959234I like to think Maggie shot Quagmire their.
>>146971530>how is it like Journey to the West?Every Asian adventure story is just reskinned JttW
>>146949986I'd feel bitter too if i had to work on Tiny Toons lol
>>146977425stop posting.
>>146977058Vegeta magically gains height across arcs. Goku gets taller too. Kuririn shrinks.
>>146964946Where is this from?
>>146949827Was just thinking about that. If I posted that in a Ren & Stimpy thread most anons would probably assume it was from the actual show. Come to think of the Simpsons is pretty good with that. When they had that Rick and Morty couch gag they looked just like they do in their own show. With the Critic crossover he didn't look all that different aside from being yellow.With something like South Park they probably don't have the money, time, or amount of fucks to properly replicate another show's animation.Smiling Friends is pretty good at melding different animation styles so if they did something like have a crossover with Aqua Teen I could totally imagine Carl walking on screen with the exact animations we've seen a thousand times before in Aqua Teen.
>>146950317You clearly haven't seen any of the recent Looney Tunes shorts.:https://youtu.be/A8LG6ClA014They do some Meat Canyon type shit beyond what the old shorts would do. Sylvester literally gets his balls cut off and then tries to commit suicide.
>>146952632>Tiny Toons beat Batman for an emmyHollywood is famous for not even bothering to watch the animated features they vote for. This is why Disney just assumes they'll automatically get the win every year and we end up with stuff like pic-related even though the actual winner that year was Spider-Verse.
>>146954176>>146954189As a kid I knew what furries were before I even had Internet. There was some old MTV documentary show and one of the episodes was about them. Even back then it portrayed them as weird sex perverts who were fondling each other through their fursuits.I remember some other show having a special segment about how Japan had this thing I never heard about called "hentai" which blew my mind.>wow cartoons where they have sex with each other?! does such a thing really exist? :O
>>146978305"The Real Ghostbusters" I believe.
>>146952157>forced to teach lessons periodically.I unironically think we need to start doing this again. I don't think people realize how many kids grow to adulthood without ever actually learning basic human decency and/or morality, simply because nobody ever teaches them. My own parents never taught me a single goddamn thing when I was growing up in the 80s and early 90s, but I learned how to be a good person from cartoons and PSAs. Shit, in the 80s and earlier, it was even common to air PSAs for adults just to teach them how to interact with the world better. But now we don't and it feels like everyone is becoming a fucking sociopath.
>>146952474>Jaleel White going "AAAAH'M WAITEEEN!" and spouting buzzwords, all the while doing a glorified Bugs Bunny disguise routine to the two most retarded henchmen in history wasn't as cool as you remember it being.The funniest part of this statement is that you made it sound like the fucking coolest thing ever.
>>146958834Loonatics Unleashed has to be the biggest case of "getting bandwagon hate that it didn't deserve". It was like "babby's first cynicism" for a lot of people because it was such an easy target, but in reality, It was no worse than any other generic action cartoon of the 2000s era; a little cringe here and there, but ultimately entertaining. The fact that it unironically leaned on Looney Tunes history as its series "lore" was fairly novel and amusing. I particularly loved the notion that the descendants of Coyote and Roadrunner were best friends.
>>146965953>>146973153Plus, KidsWB, FoxBox, and Jetix were still looking for anime to air around that time.
>>146970135Keane’s leading ladies are samefacey (based on his wife) he’s a god of animating personality so it doesn’t matter.
>>146970628Luminary honestly looks more like Android 17 than Gohan. Erdrick is the spitting image, though.
>>146949681The obvious solution is to satirize the satire with art of Bort railing Babs.
>>146979357I think if simpsons were to satirize them they'd do something like burns having parodies of them taxidermied as a gag or they start singing the song and get hucked into a pot for hassenpfeffer, probably by Willy or one of the retirement home guys.
>>146979486"Them" being buster and babs, did not elaborate.
>>146979514Who's this sick motherfucker.How these posts don't get ban?You think you're funny? You aren't.
>>146965953It wasn't so much that anime went into "remission", it's that it shifted away from network TV. By the mid 2000s, the people who got into anime through Pokemon/DBZ/Sailor Moon had also learned that the western localization was messing with these shows to make them "safe" for western audiences. It really came to a head with One Piece and their infamous dub edits. Anime fans simply got older and learned how to watch fansubs on their computer instead of being stuck with whatever random crap that western network executives decided to edit and shove on the air.Anime never stopped being popular at all. In fact, fandubs were such a popular thing that Crunchyroll swooped in and started buying distribution rights and put an end do it so they could profit off of it. Back then, I was friends with a group of people who fansubbed tons of shit just for fun, and Crunchyroll was at least nice enough to give them all job offers after fucking them over. One of them is still doing it full-time, actually.
>>146979528You don't need to show what you jerk off to, Anon.However if this is something real I hope you end in separated black bags like a puzzle all around the world.
>>146979574Someone kill the scatfag for fuck sake
>>146979593Your mother should be proud.Good thing moderation in this site is so selective.Posting the wrong picture of cartoon porn wrong posting gore ah totally fine.
This is all fake, right? Right?
For what purpose
>>146979872TMSfag got bored.
>>146949773I love how they all have the Simpson overbite
>>146951131Part of me has a longing to see the alternate universe where Animaniacs ran long enough to see the meteoric rise to fame Pokemon had, and the accompanying seething rebuttal they'd make that a JAPANESE cartoon that wasn't SILLY and SLAPSTICK was getting so much attention.
>>146979958>and the accompanying seething rebuttal they'd make that a JAPANESE cartoon that wasn't SILLY and SLAPSTICK was getting so much attention.They basically already did that when they parodied Power Rangers.Also, I think modern internet culture has kind of skewed the perception of a lot of these parodies. Nowadays we just assume that if you make fun of something, it's because you're "seething", but 30 years ago it's just that sometimes it's fun to make fun of things; drawing Yakko, Wakko, and Dot as super sentai heroes with silly giant animal robots was a fun concept, and the animators wanted to do it, but Animaniacs is a comedy show, so you have to make jokes. Simple as. I liked Power Rangers as a kid, and I thought it was just plain cool that Animaniacs was "making fun" of them. But for some reason, everyone always assumes the worst and retroactively views everything as some kind of mean-spirited attack, when it's really just some jokes based on another show that kids would easily recognize.
>>146979958Would be ironic since Japan were the ones that animated most of the show.
>>146973153>>146979563I always think of Naruto as being the big shift of people going from depending on TV for anime to just seeking it out online.People with nostalgia for Dragon Ball Z's oriignal US run are generally talking about watching it on TV, with stuff like fansub VHSs and home releases or digital downloads being an outlier.With Naruto, people may remember watching it on Tv originally, but when it became years behind the JP release it feels like everyone in the US watching ended up watching it more online, be it through torrents, or early youtube allowing any uploads. 3 part anime uploads s nostalgia for 2000's weebs
>>146980390>I always think of Naruto as being the big shift of people going from depending on TV for anime to just seeking it out online.lol, funny you say that. The group of fansubbers I was friends with were the ones handling Naruto, or at least the most popular ones--they called themselves Dattebayo. I don't even think they themselves knew how big they were until they had to do a little fundraiser to help pay some fees, and they wound up getting like 15k overnight. They took what they needed and ended up giving the rest to various charities. Good folks, the lot of them--I literally married one of them, actually, lol.
>>146980080https://imgur.com/a/hokey-con-mad-magazine-pokemon-parody-DXxRdLook at this and tell me people were not pissed off at the success of Pokemon.
They are never beating the "bitter about their competition" allegations, this is from a week ago.
>>146980678He's right tho, Bonkers wasn't funny.
>>146980700I don't disagree but the fact he's still mad about it 33 years later is kinda sad.
>>146980499>I don't even think they themselves knew how big they were until they had to do a little fundraiser to help pay some fees, and they wound up getting like 15k overnight.I think that really describes why Naruto's popularity almost feels invisible to a lot of people. so much of it being online made it feel far more niche than it was. I didn't know how many people my age were big into it until I started seeing people in bars wearing merch and talking about it
>>146980630anon, that's how Mad Magazine has done parodies for literal decades.
>>146980630I think that assuming every instance of parody is from a place of ill-intent and showing off one specific instance where it clearly was are two different things. Besides, Mad Magazine has been about cheap, edgy cynicism for decades. It was only ever "funny" back in the 50s when it was easier to push buttons by making simple observations. After the moral panic died out, they had to resort to pure edginess to hold readers.>>146980741IS he mad? Or did he just take 5 seconds to make a funny comment? See, this is what I'm talking about. Everyone always makes up their own context.
>>146980800Yeah, I only knew what the fuck Naruto was because I was friends with the people subbing it. but it was a huge fanbase. One of them has a sticker of the fansub logo on the back of her car to this day, and every so often someone will recognize it.It's funny how some people perclude the existence of things just because they weren't personally aware, when in actuality they simply existed primarily online before the age of social media shoved everything in everyone's faces. Back in the day when you had to actually know what sites to go to if you wanted to engage with something, and not just "check your feed".
>>146977058There was an entire movie about that.
>>146980954In the same way, the people that grew up on Naruto tend to have no idea how big stuff like Escaflowne and whatnot were back in the day because THEY never looked in places where people were talking about those, so they assume Naruto was the first anime to become popular outside of edited TV dub shit.
>>146978987The fuck? Sonic doing a cheap Bugs impression was easily the worst part about that cartoon. We're talking about a character that can run at super speeds and curl into a fucking buzzsaw. The last thing he should be doing is putting on a disguise.
>>146981390>e're talking about a character that can run at super speeds and curl into a fucking buzzsaw. The last thing he should be doing is putting on a disguise.But that's the charm of it. Sonic is a cocky motherfucker and wants to have fun. Sure, he could just go ballistic and cut the badniks in half every time they show up, but that gets boring. Both for him, AND the audience.
>>146981438Being a cut-rate Bugs wasn't exactly a winning formula for him either, considering that aspect of his character never, ever made a return in the decades he's been a character.
>>146980080With only the most rare exception western media ALWAYS seethes at something made by Japan.
>>146961282>women with deep voices didn't exist before 2010
It's okay to parody The Simpsons and Disney and Ren and Stimpy and Star Wars, but if you EVER parody Pokemon it's because you're seething which means you're racist
>>146982477>can't tell the difference between an affectionate parody and being mad somebody is being more successful than youBy the way, Family Guy's jabs at similar shows are almost always pathetic.
>>146970181>making fun of the 90sEarly 2000's was way worse.
>>146980390>I always think of Naruto as being the big shift of people going from depending on TV for animeI remember read in /a/ the average japanese citizen not want anime on TV except Sazae-san or Doraemon, they always get anime in VHS/DVD/Bluray.
>>146981466Most adaptations since then veered towards the serious, or if comedic were more sitcom-y and less zany. It's a shame because Sonic's original design is very rubberhose in it's influences.
>>146978715What in the fuck? lolThis looks like some family guy type shit.
>>146983296Well he was designed using Felix the Cat. But he doesn't have to live up to that origin any more than Mario has to gulp down spinach and punch sailors.
>>146983247hat sounds like bullshit, DVDs in Japan are expensive as hell to the pint where Dragon Ball super adapted existing movies because they didn't expect audiences to own them.
>>146983580Not with the modern design sure, but the classic design is still about.
>>146983615No. Regardless of the design you choose, neither has to jump through that hoop. He wasn't designed with the intention of having 1930's style animation antics. Even if AoSTH often used outrageous visual gags. That's basically just incidental.
I love how Sonic fans are (supposedly) huge fans of Toriyama and Tezuka, but if you suggest that it's okay for Sonic to employee visual humor it's like the most absurd and wrong thing ever
>>146950790>>146963340Bojack fans never recovered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XELNw5SDfwo
>>146959086Nice work, detective.
>>146984165kys
>>146949681I really hate it when animators use shows to bitch and moan about how hard their jobs are. You knew what this job was like when you signed up. Don't make it your viewer's problem.
>>146984516>show changes art style>it's just to dunk on the style they're mimickingReminds me of an episode of the 80s Mighty Mouse cartoon had parodies of other cartoons and they had a pitch perfect parody of Scooby Doo and John K would post on his blog:>For the Scooby Doo parody, he went and hired a cartoonist who was actually a huge fan of the show-if you can imagine that possibility. He hired Daryl MacNeill (I think) and handed the scenes out to him straight instead of telling him to make fun of it.>It came out even funnier looking all naive and sincere.
>>146978969They'd just be preachy bullshit like SU's PSAs
>>146984808>Pearl giving blatant historical misinformation by claiming that blacks invented the lightbulb>Amethyst basically saying that the races should be treated differently from each otherTrue but those were pretty unintentionally hilarious.
>>146984808that was so gay.
Family Guy fans have never recovered from this
>>146985457I actually like South Park more than Family Guy, but this smelled of bitterness then, and it does now too.Nobody was ever NOT calling out Family Guy for being lazy and unoriginal. Even in its earliest days. But nobody ever points out how much South Park recycles it's style of humor over and over and over. Most of the jokes in the show boil down to "silly thing is said, the characters take it completely seriously"
>>146984808Honestly the only PSA I remember is the one about equity from TTG.Really you can stretch out a lot with PSAs, like one about smoking/nicotine. Just make a character really mad that everyone vapes instead of doing it the right way with a cigar, gets evidence why it is bad, then realizes that even with a cigar is too much money for them so they just wasted their time trying to flex their superiority.>>146985881I feel like you can tell that it's more than parody because it is acting like a deconstruction.
>>146986443Harvey Beaks did it as well.
i love Babs
>>146987426ok Fifi
>>146985881South Park has nothing to be "bitter" about. If one show was popular and the other wasn't, it would be easier to act like they took offense to this other show. But really this is just SP's style: Laying into everybody.
>>146987919Seth won.
>>146988372No
>>146949681Kino
Real Ghostbusters started this.
>>146989834Pretty sure that 80s Mighty Mouse show was parodying Hannah Barbera and even ANIME before RGB
>>146989834No. Read the thread. It's always been a thing to spoof other animated characters, films, actors
>>146989891You're right.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiDs-tqDTbYI like how pre-Dragonball/Sailor Moon/Pokemon craze these guys managed to get down the key riffable qualities of anime.>Large eyes>Crazy hair>Slow animation padded out with more detailed designs and lip flapping.
>>146989966Mighty Mouse was made by Bakshi hand picking animators who didn't like the way the industry was, so naturally if anyone was going to pick up on the details like the animation being padded with talking it'd be the guys trying to recreate snappy rubber hose energy. It's a funny execution but the joke of "cartoons are just silly jokes" always makes me roll my eyes, especially with a studio created by Ralph Bakshi of all people.That said, the takethats are all over the place. There's a Scooby Doo parody prior to that, and even them being turned into clowns is a reference to another show the writers hated. MM's line of "back to WHIMSYTOWN for you!" nails it as calling out the saccharine moral pushing "The Little Clowns of Happytown". A show so toothless it's main villain was a guy named "Awful B. Bad" who referred to "happy" as "the H-word".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWTXgIhzt4
>>146990057>It's a funny execution but the joke of "cartoons are just silly jokes" always makes me roll my eyes, especially with a studio created by Ralph Bakshi of all people.That's probably John K's energy there, but to be generous I think it could be interpreted as the trending shift away from gag cartoons a la Rocky and Bulwinkle to more 'serious' shows, which may be captivating as a child but are often very dry when viewed as an adult. It's not that serious animation can't be done it's more that the limitations in both budget and scope (no-kill rules, censorship etc) make those sort of shows somewhat flaccid.
>>146984516Pic unrelated? It's a funny 4th wall joke, plus the writers would make the joke, the animators would have nothing to do with it most of the timeNot everything is done out of bitterness anon
>>146989966I love how they randomly all have the same voice
>>146959051Yes, exactly. You get it.
>>146990192Yes it's Lorenzo Music, who also did Garfield and fittingly Peter Venkman in the first season of The Real Ghostbusters.
>>146990675He is dead.
>>146990716Yes that tends to happen to people.
>>146990734Who is the middle one?
>>146991577Rowdy Roddy Piper, pro wrestler. Mario is played by Captain Lou Albano, another pro wrestler.
>>146991577https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roddy_Piperhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NFyukbz-qQ
>>146991591https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-CpMuBXqjshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONIm4uhXs5ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1EvISFOzdAHe was also a wrestling manager and close with Cyndi Lauper.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxLhytQ67fs
>>146991652
>>146991663https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8M8I2SYEiAlol yeah, should've included that one too
Where the Fiffags at?
>>146991702It's a classic, I also like this one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nio0GOmsuSI
>>146991894Nice, surprised I haven't seen that before.
>>146964434Americans have always been jealous and butt hurt that Japan has overtaken them in stuff such as animation, video games and electronics. You only need to look at the mid-2000's with people calling Japanese games shit and Sealab 2021 getting pissy over anime
>>146991910>You only need to look at the mid-2000's with people calling Japanese games shitThat was a weird period, because it felt like it was coming from game journalists and sometimes western devs, but not players themselves. Everybody I know was still playing and loving Japanese games. Maybe Xbox getting big had something to do with it too.
>>146983463https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCuyPTWfhlc
>>146991910Examples?
>>146992102>Phil Fish saying Japanese games suck>Mike Nelson joking that anime is a sign of Satan>Pretty much anytime MST3K makes fun of a Japanese movie it got racist as shit>Sealab 2021 saying all anime is tentacle hentai and telling fans who hated Murphy's replacement to "go watch animay">Every joke on X-Play about the Japanese being weird, including Morgan Webb saying Japan became a normal country after they were nukedI'm convinced that Americans had a hard time moving past WW2
>>146992546>I'm convinced that Americans had a hard time moving past WW2To be fair neither did the nips.
>>146992577Lol ok that's why they adopted a shit ton of American culture and helped to influence the fucking anime and game industry there
>>146992607You tend to do that when you lose.
>>146992623Like I said Americans are just jealous that Japan is better than them at a lot of stuff and are eternally seething
>>146991931>Maybe Xbox getting big had something to do with it too.I bought an Xbox for Japanese games
>>146992660Yeah, besides Halo I mostly played Japanese games on mine too. Stuff like Ninja Gaiden and Panzer Dragoon Orta.
>>146992546>I'm convinced that Americans had a hard time moving past WW2Nothing to be convinced about it, it's true. That entire 40s generation continued fucking hating on all things Japanese for the rest of their lives. And the boomers grew up in households that constantly bitched about or made fun of Japanese anything. US culture had a seething hatred of Japanese products, especially cars in the 60s and 70s. Either hate it for being Jap shit, or making fun of it for being weak, wimpy crap for weak possibly gay people.My grandparents remained strictly anti everything Japanese until they died in the early 00s. My father also maintained Japan was a backward shithole nation of purely evil scheming people and fucking hated the idea of anything Japanese getting a foothold in the US, or the idea of Americans liking something Japanese for a long damn time. More than really any other nation.
>>146992834Carried over to the 80s too, look at how the terrible future Marty is going to have at the start of Back to the Future II is --gulp!-- being employed to a JAPANESE company!
>>146992546I don't think the "Japan is weird" stuff all came from a place of racism or bitterness. I think it's important to remember that Japanese stuff really was weird to people (or at least differently weird, I'm sure American stuff is weird to Japan). Jokes about weird shit like tentacle porn or the way Japanese animation looks compared to American animation weren't all hateful. A lot of the time too it was coming from anime fans themselves, part of the appeal of Japanese stuff was the weirdness and how different it was.
>>146992607Because MacArthur marched into Tokyo like a conquering shogun and slapped every Jap that looked at him slant-eyed. Japan's difficulty with moving passed WW2 mostly involved denying all of the objectively evil shit they did to civilians for no reason other than they believed themselves racially superior.
>>146992872That's a bit different, not WW2 related and more the "Japanese economy is going to take over the world" thing from the 80s. Then Japan's bubble popped and you stopped seeing it in movies as much.
>>146992879I mean it's still pretty weird sometimes, but so many people watch anime and are into Japanese culture now that it doesn't hit the same way anymore.
>>146950790Horse Guy's law :For a spiteful jab to work,The butthurt of the writer needs to be outweighed by the comedy generated by the spite of the target and the target's fans
>>146992879Lots of affectionate parodies too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRTa55521Cw
>>146990734Wrestlers normally don't live very long. Captain Lou made it longer than most. But there was a point in the mid 00s when all the 80s guys were dropping like flies.
>>146990057>"The Little Clowns of Happytown"this is why you cant let cartoons be taken over by busybody soccer moms
>>146992920Example : Watchmen and the Boys fail as parodies because capeshit fans eat it up,thus making Gath and Alan look whiney and arrogant. The New Mighty Mouse episode shitting on The Real Ghostbusters works because long after obscurity it still ruffles people to this day.
>>146964434>>146991910Even then, the guys working on these shows had to have seen that a lot of the bigger named anime that came to the US really did have an extra element of effort placed into it that just outshone most American stuff. Especially since at that time in the 90s they were importing the excessively quality 80s OAV stuff that was just insane.And yeah, no shit audiences could be wowed at this stuff that had ridiculous backgrounds that some guy making minimum wage still spent weeks painting every single little light on every little building. Or made action sequences unseen in the US while American shows were still sticking to talking animals hitting each other on the head. Half the seethe has to be American crews being pissed off at fully understanding there is no American studio that will ever give them the budget or timeframe to make anything like that.
>>146992872That was a very big fear in the 80s, that Japanese mega corporations would eventually take over American ones and everyone would be working for some Japanese guy. It appeared in a lot of movies at the time. Like Blade Runner. Almost any future scenario in a 80s movie had the Japanese running all business.
>>146992872You also see it in the 3rd movie too. Doc Brown makes fun of the made in Japan label on a circuit board and jokes about how it's shit. Then Marty's line confuses and disappoints him.Parents actually explained that one to me as a kid too. They said nobody would ever have believed future America would buy Japanese shit in wide amounts in the 50s.
>>146992834>>146992872Japanese export products were crappy initially. Stuff was made cheap and with poor QC, which is why a lot of boomers didn't like their products and earned them a bad reputation. Import cars were also hard to repair due to specialty parts, where as American cars were more easily repairable by your average mechanic.You missed how BTTF had Marty quip about the best tech being from Japan. By the 80's, things had shifted and Japanese quality was much better.
>>146992970>>146992920Horse Guy's Law's Equation:if the Horse Guy's Law is true then [(z^2+y)/(x+w^2)]>[(x+w^2)/(z^2+y)] where x is the spite of the writer w is the writer's fans sharing it around z is the creator the jab is given to and y is the targeted fanbase's response.In this case Watchmen passes Horse Guy's Law because Moore and his fanboy' reaction to people "misinterpreting" Watchmen is greater than people who hate it.
>>146965131I hate this shitAI ART IS A TOOLYOU ARE A TOOL BUZZ!Fuck. Just accept it, it's another tool. Or, stop using Photoshop and go back to pencil and eraser only, faggots!
>>146992956Oh, worse than that. Something like Little Clowns was because of outside consulting being drafted to maximize ratings and researched formulas to make a product-- not entertainment.Have a copy of an LA Times article from 1987 that you can enjoy with the benefit of living in the modern dayhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-09-03-ca-5843-story.htmlSome choice quotes to whet your appetite:>“There is no sense of honor, of anger, of deep emotion, of love. They’re bland-izers; they try to hammer out all of the high and low points of being a human being. I can see we’re not doing Dostoevsky on Saturday morning, but there has to be some leeway to create characters who are free to express themselves.”>Last season, Janine, the secretary on “The Real Ghostbusters,” produced for ABC by DIC Enterprises in association with Columbia Pictures Television, was a sharp-edged, miniskirted wisecracker with pointed glasses, dangling bracelets and a fountain of spiky hair. As a result of Q5’s input, she will have softer features, smoother hair, big round glasses and no jewelry. ABC will complete the package with a demure knee-length skirt.>As one of numerous examples of this change, the Q5 report notes that some jokes that writers had included about college days and “no intelligent life in New Jersey” would go over the heads of young children. A phrase such as “create the proper ambiance,” the report suggests, could be phrased more simply: “Make this room look like a little boy’s.”>Reaves objected most strongly to a Q5 suggestion that one of the main characters, Ray, the naive nerd played by Dan Aykroyd in the movie “Ghostbusters,” be “selected out” of the show, because he “does not appear to serve to benefit the program.”
>>146993290>Last season, Janine, the secretary on “The Real Ghostbusters,” produced for ABC by DIC Enterprises in association with Columbia Pictures Television, was a sharp-edged, miniskirted wisecracker with pointed glasses, dangling bracelets and a fountain of spiky hair. As a result of Q5’s input, she will have softer features, smoother hair, big round glasses and no jewelry. ABC will complete the package with a demure knee-length skirt.THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS
>>146993031yeah what about it? this thread is still here?
>>146991707I'm hear, watta ya want?
>>146991910Dude, xplay was that way. The writers and shit HATED anime games, always.
>>146993456dump all you got.
>>146978715Dude, This is just disgusting!It doesnt even have a brim of charm or wit, is just shock schlock
>>146993482I only have this, something I drew for a thread at some point in like 5 mins.
>>146993469>HATEDthey still got good reviews, it's just that they didn't give JRPGs glazing reviews or yearly cranked out releases like Dynasty Warriors or Mega Man Battle Network/X
>>146989966That was supposed to be a Ghostbusters parody but they got the wrong studio and they got the wrong instructions, also, americunts could never handle saint seiyathis series got 3 and a half english dubs, and none of them did the show goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVzguXW1Rnk&ab_channel=Amabilis
>>146991910As a proud yellow-urined american, in general the butthurt doesn't really come from watching anime or discussing it. Only when subtly is lost and everything made by everyone in [country] is better than anything made by anyone in the U.S.It's like how when the french talk about their culinary superiority I would like to dip it in ketchup (or talk about how they banned it in the cafeteria's because they couldn't handle the ketchup covering up their "culinary culture". Except for french fries.) So, in this extended metaphor, putting a little ketchup on some subpar escargo would probably make it better, but if I drench the thing or it is already decent to begin with it'd make me look a little stupid and destroy my point that maybe the "superior" culture has good and bad like every other on the planet.
>>146993593this is fake.
>>146978685>With something like South Park they probably don't have the money, time, or amount of fucks to properly replicate another show's animation.It's probably all three, they gave a lot of fucks for the Heavy Metal-esque scenes in Major Boobage.
>>146994058Sounds like cope.
>>146993433Remember that when one of the early season head writers came back to pull the declining show back up, the FIRST thing he did was make an episode that acknowledged all of Janine's changes and said they were the result of an evil ghost that was manipulating her.
>>146994500When?
>>146994823Season 6, episode 1. "Janine, You've Changed"
>>146994845Janny are you okay?
>>146995266kek
>>146993091Horse Guy's Second Law :As with everything,the Jab's relevance will slowly decrease over time, however,if the average outrage whenever is brought up is strong enough(at least half of the people who were originally mad or proportionally around that amount are still mad at it),then it is still relevant.Equation : (X^S)/(X+(1/T)^T)≥ 1/2 where X is the Jab S is the Shock Value and T is the Years past the original time it's told.
>>146995641Post more
>>146949681IDGI
ALMOST THERE
>>146949681Why did they make him look so creepy and schleppy, like somebody who got caught doing something pervy, and is now sheepishly facing the people who caught him?
why is he purple though
>>146997985>You broke my grill!??
>>146998157Doug sucked.
>>146998474I mean yeah?
>>146993521Neat
>>146998483Not really, it was good for the time, but Hey Arnold surpassed it.
>>146985881>First post responding to >>146985457 is a paragraph long responseI think you just proved their point.
>>146998874Kek
>>146992660Really want to make a brc modded char. Even made a tag for him. What other character would make
>>146999037Do it then and post your results.
Remember when Simpsons made fun of Dinosaurs?
>>146998474>>146998483Doug was comfy. Good music and sound effects, fun characters. Obviously wasn't as funny as Ren & Stimpy or anything, but was a nice show to have on.
>>146999573speaking of which...>The bloody head fairy scene was cut from the DVD release. The reason for this was that John K. was unhappy with the scene, as the original idea for the bloody head fairy (George Liquor in a tu-tu) was rejected by Nickelodeon and replaced with a parody of Doug Funnie from the show Doug.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpE-9kod_FY
>>146999607Joh k is a pettyfag
>>146999527Groening sucks
>>146949681Its just banter.
>>146950523Found the Zoomie that grew up in the worst time for cartoons.
>>146992546Wasn’t there literally a statue glorifying Hitler in one of the Japanese sci-fi movies MST3K did once?
>>146954176Can confirm. I had to explain to my wife why people at a festival were running around with tails. And why some of those tails didn’t have visible straps holding them in place.
>>146971530Original design was a lot more monkey-like. And he's still named Son Goku (Japanese name for Sun Wukong).That would be like asking how does a character named Arthur who is a king and wields Excalibur relates to Arthurian myth.
>>146971290What is the appeal of Dragon Quest?Are their lore interesting to say at least?
>>146982626Please tell me that is not an actual frame from an actual anime
>>147000912Not really. It's the same generic "let's kill god with love and friendship" shtick for 11 games.
>>147001006I mean I can respect that instead of DBZ’s “let’s scream, get blonde from that, then whip out the ki finger guns”Nta btw
>>146949681>reboot makes fun of how it's more popular and profitable than the original show it was based fromwhat about this?
>>146979563Funimation got big during that time precisely because they made less edits to their shows compared to 4kids. For the record, the edits to One Piece were specifically at the request of Toei. Toei had seen how mind-breakingly popular Pokemon had become in the west with the 4kids dub, and wanted 4kids to do the same for One Piece which at the time was their #1 series in Japan. 4kids wanted to do a serious dub but Toei forced them to make it suitable for Saturday morning cartoon blocs like Pokémon. >>146973153Naruto wasn't nearly as popular or enduring as DBZ, at least not in the west. I remember Naruto (and Bleach) only lasting maybe about a year and a half, by 2007 both had lost all their steam and faded away. Death Note became the next big thing.
>>146991931Most Japanese games from that era were pretty bad. >>146992872His life was bad because he didn't stand up for himself and had given up on his dreams, not because he worked for a Japanese company. >>146981068Ranma was the first subbed anime to really get big on the internet. As early as like 1994-1995 there were online fan groups and clubs talking about it and exchanging tapes.
>>147000912It’s gaming comfort food for the Japanese.
>>147000912It's the most basal and 'standard' JRPG imaginable, practically every trope you could imagine for the genre originates in DQ, so it ends up being "my first RPG" for a significant percentage of the Japanese population. The art style also helps sell it, Toriyama's style is so recognisable that it's what most people default to when they try and imagine the anime aesthetic. It'd like their version of D&D and Star Wars, rolled into one.
>>146949681And it was always Animaniacs and Tiny toons and overall the same people doing this stuff
>>147001348This thread reminded me of the time they did a parody of Mario Bros and it was the most "out of touch grown up" view of those games because it was, in fact, being written by out of touch grown ups. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUa5AFVxKZM
>>146999607When in doubt, use your daddy issues OC.
Hollywood runs on pure spite.
>>147001619Only because of Seth Rogen.
>>147000912Nah. It has some story, but it's not a huge deal. It's basically Pokemon before Pokemon.>"let's kill god with love and friendship"This definitely is not part of DQ.
>>147001991Yeah you can tell DQ is old school because it actually has you killing Satan instead of God. Though in DQ VII you actually can fight God but it's just a friendly sparring match/secret boss.
Do people not realize these were novelty shows? That's what made it fun.
>>146999607>"this one's damn fine">"the Japs"Was John even aware he was doing a kids show?
>>147002174The character is supposed to be a parody of old guys that fought in the war (basically john k.'s dad). Yeah it's not that surprising that behind the scenes humor was less censored
>>147002297I understand that, but that was what John wanted on the air, wasn't it? Either he somehow thought he was doing an adult show or he knew what he was doing was for children and didn't care.
>>147001128>For the record, the edits to One Piece were specifically at the request of Toei.I find that literally impossible to believe considering what happened with the Ghost Stories dub and the recent Crunchy roll leaks.
>>146991910>boomers making mid jokes and jabs at anime means all of America is jealous of JapanWhatever helps you sleep at night.
>>147002898Anon you need to remember this place is full of weebs and 3rd worlders who don't understand jokes and therefore it feels like a personal attack on them when a Japanese show is parodied
>>146950875I want to fudge that female rat
>>147002744Japanese businessmen are pretty shameless about profit(not that businessmen anywhere aren't), I can see them requesting that they do anything to put the show at an optimal hour where lots of kids would watch, and the do whatever they felt was needed to maximize appeal to Americans.
>>146965131If an artist can be replaced by ai then they weren't a good artist to begin with
>>146970628Tbf he did make up with giving good hair and clothing style that helped make a distinction Though even the hair did get samey after a while
Good Thread
>>147001018its probably the same way fans of the original comics feel about the 00s show
