This has to be the strangest fucking writing decision in a /co/ TV series in a long timeIt'd be like rebooting Gravity Falls or Ben 10 and having Dipper and Mabel, an Ben and Gwen being couples instead of relatives, what were they thinking, how did this get past everyone
>>147030897>Ben and Gwen being couplesThey were friends in the development phase.
>>147030924Yeah, and relatives in 20 years worth of media and collective consciousness, it's not easy to undo that and get everyone on board with seeing them as a couple
>>147030897It's a fetish show and someone got in their biggest fetishIt starts making sense when you connect all the other weird fetish writing like the feet scenes or why they were aged up
As soon as Babs and Buster Bunny said they were brother and sister, I stopped watching.They totally ruined Tiny Toons.
>>147030897Proof that modern hack showrunners doesn't watch the shows they are making. >No relationLiterally their catchphrase
>>147030897the show wasn't made for 40 year olds who watched the original when they were 8
>>147031039>gaslighting the new generationKill this show with fire
>>147031039It’s for 20 year olds who watched the original on KissCartoon when they were 12.
What is she showing you, /co/?
>>147031039No but it should have been, it would have had an audience
>>147030897They wanted to share a room together. Just becausr they're twins doesn't mean they're not a couple.
Hamton going to pork them both
>>147030897This board is directly responsible for my recent kink, I need to use the filtration system better
>>147032534>They wanted to share a room together.Then share it?
>>147030897Were there any cute homoerotic moments between the male characters?
>>147030897they needed make buster gay
>>147032049Her Patreon where she does fetish art.
You can't show a male rabbit with a female rabbit. It can only be male fox and female rabbit nowadays.
>>147030897>thinkingNate Cash the show’s co-executive producer, chimed in on what made it all happen with the blessing of one Steven Spielberg. “We’re all big fans of the original show and hired crew that are big fans too. So everybody is coming back” he said, referring to his team with pride. On the panel before our sit-down they mentioned executive producer Spielberg called the anticipated project “the best iteration of Tiny Toons” he’d ever seen and they also introduced the new voice of Babs Bunny: Ashleigh Crystal Hairston.“I grew up in the ‘90s and I was a huge fan of Tiny Toons, Looney Tunes, but I like all of it,” Hairston said, before explaining how she found the voice. “Just to be playing Babs Bunny is wild to me. It feels very natural it feels like she was in me all along. I got the audition and I was like ‘I don’t know what to prepare for this.’ So I started watching Tiny Toons. And I was like, ‘Wait a minute no. I want to bring myself to it. I want to make this Babs my own.’”This iteration which changes a few things from the original. Gibson confirmed the change to Babs and Buster’s relationship to io9: “They’re fraternal twins, which was not an original plot point. I wanted to dive into a brother/sister relationship that looked really symbiotic and collaborative and supportive not antagonistic. Seeing two people who are really on the same page and then how do people who are so close make make new friends? You know find out who they are by these new relationships these new college experiences while still having fun and doing the dumbest stuff you’ll ever see on TV but having story and plot points and character development.”Cash added, “And they look up to the faculty, they’re established Tunes who are like their gods, but then they’re like, ‘Who am I?’ and ‘What’s my voice?’ which is a cool place to develop them as their own characters and not just mini versions of their counterparts.”
>>147034806>I wanted to dive into a brother/sister relationship that looked really symbiotic and collaborative and supportive not antagonistic.This is one of those times that creating a new character would've been much better. Give Buster a twin sister who's friends with Babs and trying to get her brother and friend together. All the change does is encourage incest porn and jokes.
>>147034598Many
>>147032049why do they have old ass 4/3 crt monitors
>>147031039It wasn’t really made for younger audiences in mind either
Still better than Numaniacs
>>147030952>the feet scenesI haven't watched the reboot but now I'm interested. Where are these scenes??
>>147031039This argument falls apart when you remember it's not 1995 anymore.>Be kid in the modern era>Have internet access>Hear about new show called Tiny Toons>Look it up and immediately see references to an old show from the late 80s>Decide to watch an episode or two to see what this show might be about>One of the first jokes in the entire series is a hot Babs getting Buster randy and there are constant references to them not being related and dating
>>147035891There’s less obvious ones but the most blatant of them are on YouTube
>>147034699>”Ms. Loon, we’ve noticed ever since you were granted access to the computer lab, there’s been artwork of hypermuscular Plucky clogging up the hard drives. Care to explain yourself?”
>>147036108lol I found the one with plucky, they actually made a whole episode? that's wild
The showrunner is a podcaster "comedian" with no background or interest in animation who was too old to watch the show when it was new and made this decision because it made the most sense to her. The people above her just rubberstamped it because they didn't care either.
>>147030897they probably thought making them related would discourage lewd shipping art of the two, and for the most part they're right there's not that much at all.
>>147030977Actually establishing relationships or lore ruined many of what should be a simple, lighthearted or silly show.They're just a couple of cartoon rabbits doing silly shit. Why do they have to be ANYTHING to each other?
>>147031018>No, relation!
>>147031999Those people would be in their 40s now anon.
I hated this show.
Is this true, bros?
>>147037062it's a form of survivorship bias. only people who liked the show would bother writing about it.
>>147037062It's the same shit for the fairly oddparents reboot, they shouldn't allow a bunch of children to use tv tropes
>>147030897Based>Verification not requiered
>>147037062That is true. The original had jack shit to do with the school 90% of the time. There’s episodes where one transition scene is the only indication there is a school in the first place Looniversity for its many fuck ups actually centers it around the college and makes it a functional college
>>147037141That's not a fucking "improved attempt" if the show is horseshit
Let’s get real - more than half /co/ would not have cared how “bad” Looniversity was as long as it had plenty of Fifi/Babs/Shirley fanservice. It’s the only reason the original has any relevance on this board whatsoever.
>>147037204Too bad, current year, get this shit instead. >>147037001 >>147034686Who wanted this new series?
>>147037141Ruegger and his crew had no interest in doing a "kids doing school crap" show. WB wanted young 90s Looney Tunes kids, so yeah, there had to be token efforts showing they went to school, but other than that they just wanted to make funny cartoons.
>>147031039kek, kids don't even know who the fucking Looney Tunes are anymore, what chance does Tiny Toons have with them?
>>147037177Nigga I’m not Tv Tropes
>>147037204Honestly no, the character designs weren’t enough to save this. They toned it so down that fanservice (outside very broad fetishes) was never going to happen, but people don’t care unless the writing is good enough to care for them, that’s why anyone cared for the first in the first place If they showed Babs’ uncensored tits it would get talked about but it wouldn’t be a following either unless it was a good show
>>147037247>kek, kids don't even know who the fucking Looney Tunes are anymoreAd that's a dam shame, because back in the 90's WB was pushing them hard in gaming, tv shows and of course Space Jam. But then Back in Action bombs and they get cold feet? Nigga no, you KEEP GOING. That halt of their for LT stuff really put a damper on things, and despite Looney Tunes Show being great, it was just one show.
>>147037247They know who Big Chungus and Dan Backslide are.
>>147037001Wtf I love Looniversity now
>>147037062The only school based episode I remember was the Football one. The school could serve as a starting point for an episode, but you gotta remember, a LOT of shows around that time had "kids going to school" as the base of the show, TT didn't need to follow that.
>>147037204Not really. Adventures endures due to good crafting, art, story, acting, and decent gag writing in good balance. Universal audience appeal and accessibility over broadcast television. Also a little tongue in cheek irreverence, getting around S&P.Looniversity was niche and exclusivist. Focus-grouped to death in the cradle. Not available to wide audiences. Hidden behind an HBO paywall. Will never see a home video release.It was made as a tax shelter/write-off for a corporation.
>>147037204Look, I'm a horndog I wont lie, but man, the OG show was legit funny for it's shorts and musical numbers. Hell, The VHS movie still holds up imo.
>>147030897>>147031039The problem is that you have official episodes of the two kissing each other, and now they're brother and sister. The isn't isn't the rule 34 fanart from the 90s. It is the 8-year-olds who want to see more Buster and Babs and get to see episodes where they're dating.WB can't even take that content offline because it's not R34 or even fanart, it's officially aired episodes.
>>147030897Tress MacNeille was on Jim Cummings’s podcast last week, and her reaction to this was ”What are you gonna do. They’re rabbits.”
>>147037204You're cute too, femanon. Don't be jealous.
>>147037540I thought she hated TT after the whole stalker incident.
>>147037788That was decades ago, I'm sure she's over it.
>>147037788Not enough not to make jokes about it, apparently.
I am convinced that the writer never watched the show, looked up the character names on wikipedia, saw they had the same last name, started writing under the assumption they were siblings. Only when it was greenlit did anyone on the team bother to tell her that she was making this massive change.
>>147030897>what were they thinking, how did this get past everyoneI agree OP, wtf were they thinking? They should have been both relatives and couples.
>>147037223Is this why they had so many shit PSA episodes? Felt out of place for a Looney Tunes spinoff.
>>147038349Yes, and he tried taking the piss as much as possibleThe infamous beer episode was taking a piss at them wanting an anti-alcohol PSA
>>147037204That’s got to be from a TMS episode.
>>147038604It was, although in saying that you've probably just doomed this thread
>>147037001This shit is repulsive
>>147038349I don’t know how it works nowadays, but back then, if you broadcast a show certain amount of time a week to children, you were required by law to dedicate a certain amount of that time to educational programming. Hence, the He-Man/GI Joe/Sonic PSA’s, and hence the “very special episodes”, usually about environmentalism or saying no to drugs.
You got to showrun Looniversity, how would have done it? (Besides just bringing back No Relation)Hard mode: not a 1:1 adaption of the original
>>147038705Similar kind of cartoon but for gen alphas. Try to experiment by having one script-driven and one board-driven segment in each half-hour episode, see which ones get liked the most.
>>147038604It is, they're pretty much the ones behind all the best episodes.
>>147030952>It's a fetish showYup.
>>147038705The characters from the old show are now the upperclassmen and there should be new toons just entering the school
>>147032049Her crystal deepthroating onlyfans videos
>>147037062The school setting was irrelevant though. It was set dressing to explain the de-aged versions of the characters.
>>147039055>Babs and Shirley take off clothes to look more sexual>Fifi has to put clothes on
>>147038604>>147039055What were the working conditions like at TMS back then? Their episodes on any show are clearly the best so either it was hell and they were overworked trying to stand out or they were super well paid and therefore studios could only afford a handful of episodes by them. I like to think it was the latter but this is capitalism we're talking about. It was probably an underpaid sweatshop of japs being taken advantage of. Do we have any interviews or features on them from back then?
Man being a Tiny Toon fan fucking sucks.
>>147039055Why did WB want us to be horny for animals??
>>147034806i'm sure the actress meant well but there's something really narcissistic about saying, "here's this beloved thing that has a devoted fan base from decades ago that shaped a lot of people's childhood, but what if it was all about me now"
>>147039165Standard anime production lines, they just had a really veteran staff at the time.
>>147039250When you become the new voice of an established character, you have to bear that honor for decades. But it would be like if Wayne Allwine said “I’ve always loved Mickey Mouse. Welp, time to make him my own character.”
>>147039165They could only do a handful of episodes with that quality. They were responsible for every episode of the 90s Spider-Man show, and it could get very bad.
Kennedy Cartoons was overhated
>>147039653It was Toei, no?
>>147040314I agree, but someone needs to be the scapegoat
>>147030897I would argue it would be more weird to go from relatives to lovers then the other way around. Ben, Gwen, Dipper and Mable not being in a relationship is a key component to their characters contrary to what a coomer might tell you,
Buster works better when he’s gay anyway, Looniversity did the right thing.
>>147040333TMS
>>147034806Am I illiterate or did she not explain anything?>Seeing two people who are really on the same page and then how do people who are so close make make new friends?I feel like I'm having a stroke
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>>147030897they wanted all the Babs and Buster porn on the internet to be retroactive incest
>>147040746The crossdressing is supposed to be funny, not actually LGBT. It ruins the joke. Gay bunnies leave this place!
>>147040314Not enough hated you meant
>>147037910Really that's the only way any of the writing makes sense is the team never watch the old show
>>147039250>>147039641I heard in the Christopher Robin movie with Ewan McGregor, they actually cast someone else as Tigger, but the guy didn't do the lisp or the "Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo!"s or anything normally associated with the character and the test audiences hated it, so Disney dumped the new guy and let Jim Cummings voice him as usual. I don't know why studios are always trying to change major aspects about previously established beloved cartoon characters. We fell in love with them for a reason.
>>147039055how did she fit those big ass feet of hers into those tiny heels
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>>147041339Dunno, but I think she'd be better with the big feet and shoes.
I like the sitcom premise of a show about close fraternal twins who have to learn to be more independent. It's kinda fun and cute. Of all the things to complain about, this really isn't one of them. If you think the writing or something else is bad, from the perspective of someone who has not watched the original series, fair enough. A lot of the episodes are boring and the writing is pretty tame. But all these complaints about them being siblings is overwrought. IMO the thing about this show is that it's neither good nor bad - it's quite mid, which doesn't lend itself to discussion on internet forums where hyperbolic statements of praise or criticism are the standard. I still find myself wanting to like it, honestly.
>>147037001I would
>>147030897Having Babs and Buster not be an item makes sense because they were getting paired up with other characters. Having Ben and Gwen along with Mable and Dipper be a thing is far too telling when all of the characters have a plethora of popular less controversial options.
>>147041181No one likes that "crossdressing"People liked that he acts like a fag
>>147040746Kys
>>147041419Someone add a microscopic stickman for them to look at, ready to step on.
>>147041426It's pretty lousy when an IP is resurrected and nothing like how it was because the company thought an original series would be riskier. Ended up making something that pleases no one.
>>147032049Aw man, I'm gonna fuck that turtle
Imagine all the sex that happens at Acme Acres dorms
>>147037204Fanservice means nothing if the overall product is garbage. Fanservice is a spice, not an entire meal.
Just bring back Pepe
>>147044046Not gonna happen. You need to hold the cartoon character accountable for his fictional actions.
>>147041426>I like the sitcom premise of a show about close fraternal twins who have to learn to be more independent. It's kinda fun and cute. Of all the things to complain about, this really isn't one of themIt is when you're retconning a romantic couple into being close fraternal twins
Imagine making a new season of The Simpsons but Homer and Marge are siblings rather than married.
>>147041419>>147041777
>>147037116>they shouldn't allow a bunch of children to use tv tropesah, so you want the site to be closed
>>147037298>but people don’t care unless the writing is good enough to care for themcompletely fucking wrong, holy shit.you think people like minerva mink or MLAATR because they give a shit about the writing?
>>147030897The entire reboot was awful.
>>147045619If Animaniacs or Teenage Robot wasn't good and then made prominent because it was good coomers would never have focused on Minerva or JennyLooks, show quality, and character prominence are the three things to making a coomer pick
>>147041886That’s the Mystery Science Theater 3000 reboot for me. I still watch the OG show on a regular basis, and still find the humor amusing to this day, so it’s not a nostalgia thing, but I can’t even make it through a full episode of the new show. Servo’s black, Crow’s a girl, the nu-Mads are fucking Felicia Day and Patton Oswalt, none of the riffing lands, it’s miserable to watch. I’m actually glad that the last crowdfunding push to make another season failed. They finally ran out of good will coasting on the old show.
>>147040314Is that the “kick dance” guy? I fucking hate him. Even as an extremely young child, I hated those episodes, because I thought they were ugly, and Tomar is right, the kick dance is annoying as hell.
>>147046012Tiny Toons had similar but with AnimanaicsSeason 1 of Animanaics had a lot of good will watching due to the original. Then when people saw it sucked season 2 and 3 nosedivedThat alongside the first news most people heard of Looniversity being they are twins made it so no one even attempted to watch this
>>147030897Incest is wincest
We all have to give these people credit for at least trying to revive these old shows, but with everything going on in the world now, it's just not the time to relax and enjoy old memories. Everyone is on edge.
>>147045609lol
>>147046012Yeah, the old show was midwestern humor filmed in Minneosta, the new show was LA humor filmed in LA. Different vibe.
So was the old show responsible for creating the modern furry community as we know it now?
>>147045208Pretty much what I think. It's kind of why I get some people are irked that Mega and Roll in Battle Network are a couple, when in the Classic series they're brother and sister. Thing is, unlike Buster and Babs, who had entire plots of episodes being based around them being lovebirds, the robots never really played on their sibling relationship, so an alternate universe making them a couple isn't nowhere near as weird as TTU making the bunnies siblings.
>>147047539No, but it helped. That was all thanks to stuff like Disney's Robin Hood and the like. That, and humanity having a fascination with animal-like people since the old OLD times.
>>147047539I’d argue Looney Tunes did given Tiny Toons is adjacent and had furries beforeRobin Hood birthed the true current furry scene but Tiny Toons is one of the first significant online furry fandoms
>>147047539There are old usernet posts about ithttps://groups.google.com/g/alt.tv.tiny-toon.fandom/c/GyhHAe-1d48/m/Fq5ERGjhmOwJhttps://groups.google.com/g/alt.tv.tiny-toon.fandom/c/lHhfl9r4Xc4/m/TTrcEto-UvgJAlso, the Halloween finale DID acknowledge that Fifi was waifubait that attracted the wrong kind of people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUBYgg0r0Y
>>147047699And also they're robots and not real people, and also they're different incarnations of the same concepts as opposed to being reboots of the same characters, each Mega Man universe is intentionally its own thing rather than just a reboot. It's not like Zelda where there's always a Link and always a Zelda and always a Ganon and always a triforce etc.
>>147047815The internet never changes
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>>147047815Damm, did motherfucker turn skunk fetishism into his life's work?
>>147048922Holy fucking based
>>147048922/co/ fucking wishes it was this dedicated
>>147037001I wonder if the original Tiny Toons would actually do this in their old cartoons?
>>147046037What about Kennedy?
>>147049490they went a step furtherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNLBfNb0bAo
>>147049490>Don't I have the cutest toes?
>>147046037>Tomar was rightRare sentence, considering his criminal record.
>>147047815>>147047539Damn, and I thought I was down bad for the skunk funk but once again I kneel to te OG.
>>147050206who the fuck would post this, let alone loop it?
>has a whole bunch of characters to use>only majorly use Buster, Babs, Plucky, Hamton, Elmyra, Max, rest of them only get 1-3 starring roles at bestWhat a waste, even the show knew it (Who's Barky Marky?)
>>147050426I would if it was Babs.>>147050476>1-3 starring roles at bestYeah, and over a dozen supporting roles. Some were underused, but you have to know the difference between a main character and a supporting character. The show should’ve made the distinction clearer through more than the end of Sweetie’s episode.
>>147050476And Looniversity follows similar>Only majorly use Buster, Babs, Plucky, Hamton, and Sweetie, rest of them only background cameos with a handful getting one episode secondary roles
>>147050731Nah, they fucked up. All these zany 90s WB cartoons had a bunch of characters that they had no idea what to do with. Poor writing in their part.
>>147051322Unless they wanted a class and school with 6 students they had to make a bunch of filler charactersMore a necessity here then other 90s shows
>>147040783Kids almost never even know when the thing they like is based on something that existed before.
>>147031039Then why make it Tiny Toons at all?
>>147030897They probably didn't realize they weren't related until it was too late into production and when someone pointed it out they just acted like it was a decision they made so they didn't look stupid
>>147053404That's impossible.
>>147052286You forget that some kids today are still born with a condition known as autism, and that’ll drive them to gather encyclopedic knowledge on the franchises they’re obsessed with. They’ll want to know, see, hear, eat, breathe and shit everything associated with them, including what the studios have long buried.
>>147037062tvtropes is unfortunatley very fence-sit-y even for real dogshitthey even try and list redeeming shit for NIMH 2i think they just make shit up to try and appear unbiased
>>147034806>I want to bring myself to it. I want to make this Babs my own.By her or the voice director's hand, her own sounds incredibly boring. She's one of the better new VAs, but that's not saying much.
Fun fact: there was going to be a reboot of Tiny Toons in the 2000s, but it was passed in favor of Duck Dodgers.Do you think it was a good decision?
>>147054487>describing Duck Dodgers as just "a fun series"Humblebrag of the ½ century
>>147054487Making that exactly one year after Ruegger left WB out of disillusionment would’ve been such a funny middle finger.
>>147040794too bad for them because i'd be more interested in drawing fifi getting too assertive with a flustered babs insteadi'm not a good artist or anything, just sayin
>>147050395The old net was a gem, I wish I was old enough to have experienced it (born 94).
>>147052342Because they had the IP and new ideas are riskier.
>>147037540TIL Jim Cummings has a podcast.
>>147054627What happened exactly? Did Pokemon really kill his career?But in all honestly, his crew was immensely talented, and it was such a waste to not make them make more content in the 2000s.
>>147054487i mean with how great duck dodger was, yeah
>>147055054It flopped though, only Loonatics performed worse.
>>147053524that means its true
>>147054966Histeria was late, over budget, not particularly popular. He was over-the-hill.
>>147055337That was one dud out of 6, he made more hits than flops. Not counting Elmyra since that was forced by executives.
>>147055086Sad how terminal lack of taste in the unwashed masses killed so many great projects
>>147054487It's funny how we were always destined to get aged up Tiny Toons, but what we got wasn't what I expected
>>147037247I was under the assumption that reboots like those were made so that parents could put it on for their kids “hey, I remember this” and buy the merchandise for them.Except now they don’t make merchandise anymore, and the current generation of kids have taken to TikTok and YouTube as their TV replacement. So It ends up being for no one. Just filler content to add to a streaming service’s library.
>>147040783>>147052286If anything kids will assume they're the same show in the same continuity and come to the conclusion that Buster is in an incestuous relationship with his sister. Way to go HBO, Game of Thrones really fucked you guys.
>>147030897Actually, Ben and Gwen were supposed to be classmates. But the writers didn't see the point of her going camping with a classmate's grandfather in the middle of the woods.
>>147030952Technically every cartoonish bs is a fetish somehow so you can't win.
>>147037138Incest is wincest
>>147040783What kid is watching the OG Tiny Toons?
>>147047815>>147030897Just so you guys know...I'm not that kind of a fan. I like Tiny Toons, sure, or most of the 90s WB animation I grew up with, like BatmanTAS, Animaniacs, and Freakazoid. I'm working on the music video short more for teaching myself Animation fundamentals I missed out on during College, because 3D animation was the big business push, rather than traditional techniques. Learnt a lot from Anime production, who knew it was all related?
>>147056866What are you talking about
>>147037218Current year get a shit tone of furry shit. They only hate on human hot girls.
>>147056866Why she looks like being fucked?
>>147041334to save moneyyounger less experienced actors get paid lesssame reason the marvel movie idiots keep trying to push successor characters and kill off the old beloved ones: the new guys are cheaperthe strange thing is they've tried it a thousand times, it always fails, and they never learn that lesson
>>147039055Have fun, cleaned up a few frames.
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>>147057449Good job. In motion would be the dream.>>147057475It looks like I could swim in that eye.
>>147057667>Good job. In motion would be the dream.Thanks, tried to get it looking like it was a legit rescan of the film. I might try video when I get my hands on the DVDs, or an ISO, whichever comes first.
>>147057475>>147057504>>147057524>>147057565>>147057611>>147057653Are these like AI upscales, or did you actually hand-refine them to get that clarity? Also you should export them as lossless PNG, JPG will degrade over time online.
>>147058377>Are these like AI upscales, or did you actually hand-refine them to get that clarity?AI, something I'm working on for traditional cel animation. Far from perfect however.>Also you should export them as lossless PNG, JPG will degrade over time online.Yeah they were PNGs, but I had to convert it since each was 6MB, too large for uploads here.
>>147047699Classic Mega Man and Roll aren't siblings though.
>>147041224I mean, do any of the people behind reboots ever watch the original work? >>147054095Let's be fair, the site has been increasingly less about actual fucking tropes and just trying to turn everything into a fucking trope.>Character walks a certain way>this could be one of fifteen fucking tropes about walking>all of them lead to like fifty different fucking tropes that are barely related
>>147037788Wasn't it all just bullshit?
>>147037204TTBS is eternal.
Spike Brandt, one of the old crew members drew some art of Buster and Babs. He later went on to develop Duck Dodgers and Looney Tunes Show.
>>147047699I mean they're robots so they're not really brother and sister in the first place
>>147059262They have the same creator, but were never meant to be related at all. Nothing in the Japanese versions of the games or supplementary media (manga, books, etc) ever said they were brother and sister. That was just stuff added by NOA when the games came to the west, and then played up in the Ruby Spears cartoon where they also played up Protoman being Mega Man's brother simply because Light and Wily both worked on him.
>>147059198Funny how he only worked on the Looney Tunes TV adaptations that were actually good.
>>147059198It only now hits me that Buster and Babs would’ve been completely out of place on LTS, and yet I still would’ve liked to see it.
>>147059386OG Tiny Toons already had sitcom-esque plots like the prom episode or when Babs traveled to New York disguised as a human to star in a teen drama.
>>147039165>It was probably an underpaid sweatshop of japs being taken advantage ofI don't know why this is your default assumption. Why do you think sweatshops = higher quality?Japan makes a ton of animation, especially at that time period. There are always projects and openings. I doubt the best companies would be the ones treating their employees the worst, they'd just have the heaviest work load.The guy most directly responsible for the look of the American productions at TMS still works at TMS. The guy is probably in his 70s, and he's still animating. That doesn't say "sweatshop" to me.
>>147059276NOA? That's Nintendo.
>>147030897>This has to be the strangest fucking writing decision in a /co/ TV series in a long timeIt really, really isn't. You guy are way too hung up on the relations of animated anthropomorphic animals for children.
>>147056292You're only as good as your last ones. Road Rovers flopped, Pinky and the Brain and Elmyra flopped (doesn't matter that it was "what the network wants, why bother to complain"), Histeria wasn't as popular as they were hoping. He wasn't worth the investment anymore.
>>147060428Yea, Nintendo of America, which has a reputation of making some extremely stupid and nonsensical decisions over the years. From their weird censorship of religious stuff to just making shit up on a whim instead of providing accurate translations despite being part of the same goddamn company that should have the best means of acquiring pinpoint accurate info on the games they're localizing.
>>147060604Pinky and the Brain with Elmyra is the kind of thing where it would be a funny one-off episode but they decided to drive the joke into the ground by trying to make an entire show out of it. "Show A is in declide and show B is just reruns and has been teetering on irrelevance for years, so let's combine the two which will surely make both IPs valuable." That shit never works.
>>147030924It was still a mistake to make them relatives considering they kept all of the original chemistry they had as only classmates in the show. And someone forgot that cousin marriage used to be a relatively common thing
>>147060796Didn't help it was just a weird combination, an Animaniacs bit fused with a minor character from Tiny Toons. It would be like if Histeria crossed over with Road Rovers, or Freakazoid showing up in the DCAU entirely the same while also trying to make Batman or Superman act the same despite their more "grounded" universe. Like you said, a one-off might have been hunky dory, and instead they ran that thing into the ground like a plane in a field.
>>147060847I mean, they weren't outright flirting in the original series, but you're not wrong that they did have some moments that felt almost like ship tease material. Them being cousins was certainly a flimsy decision when they could have just made them brother and sister to avoid all the weirdness.
>>147060853Not to mention that the point of Elmyra's character was that she was supposed to be super annoying. Pinky and Brain's dynamic worked because Brain was extremely serious and Pinky was the decidedly unserious goofball and nitwit. Putting them in a show with Elmyra basically had the effect of Brain having to deal with two Pinkies in every episode.
>>147060876That and Elmyra tended to KILL her pets, albeit out of ignorance of her overbearing nature. While Pink and Brain were pretty durable, given their original show, it in a way defeated part of the joke that made Elmyra. Granted, it was a pretty weak joke to begin with, and probably why she didn't have as many segments as others, and of course just doubling the annoyances for Brain like you said.I think the only joke I ever laughed at as Brain shining a flashlight on a wall and telling her it was a portal to a world full of cute animals she could love and care for.
>>147056735Kinda based ngl, normalization of incest is the next logical step after LGBTQ+ after all.
>>147059017>*gay character dies*>BuryYourGays
>>147060452What’s weirder, honestly?
>>147060996>think it's a joke>use search on google>It's fucking legitThe crazy thing is, I used to like that place when it was still starting out. Found some interesting media through the tropes. But now, this shit just feels like it's trying to be wikipedia with all the crap they do, on top of stretching every goddamn little thing into a fucking trope.
>>147058993Anon...>"Roll (ロール Rōru) is a kind-hearted humanoid robot created by Dr. Light to be a housekeeper, helping around Dr. Light's Laboratory by cleaning and cooking. Roll is like a younger sister to Mega Man.[1][2][3]"The meticulous wiki has three whole sources that pretty much states that Rock and Roll are considered siblings, the fucking Ruby Spears cartoon even knew that.
>>147061147Now show us where in the Japanese translations that they are directly stated to be brother and sister.
>>147059276>かてい用ロボット ロックとはまるできょう だいのようである ("Household robot. Rock and her are like siblings.") - Rockman 3 ending
>>147061157Here >>147061163Like siblings, pretty much means they're supposed to be siblings. Capcom sees them as such.
>>147060996The shitty Voltron and its shitty fandom certainly was the peak with that, down to them projecting that Adam being dark-skinned made him black and a Muslim so the showrunners weren't just homophobes, but RACIST homophobes and Islamophobic. They trotted that out when Allura died, saying nobody should have been surprised when they killed off the poor black Muslim gay dude.
>>147061163>like siblings>like>this somehow means are
>>147061180and yet, they hinted at Roll having romantic feelings for Rock in a number of works, including the remake game Powered up, hmmmmm
>>147061184>>147061190Alright alright, but relating back to the OP of the thread, it would be weird if Capcom had them locking lips and made a Valentines post about them on social media.
>>147061242I guess if you're someone who doesn't have the most in-depth knowledge of the series, sure. But not like every bit of media localized always calls them siblings, hence such thing as the "like a sister" description in the wiki. Either way, it isn't anywhere as weird as the TT reboot which changed a pairing to be siblings.
>>147054870It’s hit or miss, more hits than misses. My favorite ones are where Jim and another VA gets to dick around, like Debi Derryberry and Rob Paulsen
>>147061066At least Wikipedia has sources. You can put anything on TV Tropes and people will accept it as fact.
>>147030897And also 30 years after they started.....You think anyone who grew up with those shows will want nu versions in 30 years?GF was at least made for 30s because I don't see kids talking about it, more being forced to watch it by their 30s parents.
>>147032049Just how much she can handle in her cunt and that she wants you to break her record.
>>147040783>>147052286>>147056735>>147056850>What kid is watching the OG Tiny Toons?On the contrary, I find it hard to believe that kids are watching the new Tiny Toons. >>147059303Nice observation.
>>147047815>>147048922I forever kneel to Eric Schwartz
>>147062032It's not so much whether the stuff is factual, or at least that's not the only issue, but it's how they try to turn every single little thing into a trope. It's like these people want to outdo JR Tolkien in terms of unnecessary detail. Except Tolkien at least had some point to things like Frodo's fucking shirt button, while the fucks on TVtrropes seem to determined to turn line of dialogue and every action into as many tropes as possible.I get that some of it is probably done to help branch various articles together, but goddamn, there are times it feels so bloated.
>>147059386They could been exchange students in Gozzamer's school.
>>147059303Facts.They should revive LTS the only good modern adaptation that lasted way too little.
>>147062392I honestly don't think any kid would watch the Tiny Toons period.As a zoomer the Looney Tunes never had much of my interest. I'm of the Spongebob generation. Now imagine iPad gen alpha kids.They would get bored without brainrot shorts.
>>147048922Bottomless wife.
>>147030897I like the new incest angle though
>>147062427He's one of my inspirations.Among Jay Naylor and others.
>>147062585I mean they're cartoons it's not the first time a modern version of something changed something from the originals.I mean LTS changed basically everyone. Most for good.
>>147037204See....I wanted more Fifi, she was my goto gal. A lovey dovey type who wanted to kiss and hug you, to the point of it being too much. They ruined her in NuToons by making her not sexy, not loving and most importantly, that god awful tweening bullshit.That said, I want i doodle some Feef. You can post reqs, but I might not do them due to time. Also, my art isn't the greatest, so no amazing bullshit.
>>147062622LTS didnt change Bugs and Lola into twins
>>147039146Well, she IS naked 99% of the time. I'm sure that's in her clause as a French lady.
>>147062752But it changed Lola from being a boring "sexy and I know it" wannabe Femme Fatale into a charming idiot and agent of chaos.It was a big change.
>>147062775Don't you know the rules of toons?If a character wears clothes it means it has something to hide if they're fully naked then their fur acts as clothes.
>>147045619Minerva didn't even get a chance, she had 2 tiny segments and they said, she's too sexy despite not really being worse than a tex avery cartoon. She got a better run during the comics when they gave her more to work with and she could be a good character working WITH her attractiveness, just need to write a decent script which I've had in the back of a .txt file for ages
>>147045969I mean, Minerva I get it's an easy bait. Only for coom.But Jenny? Really. She's barely sexualized most people like her because of the show not because of the looks.If people like a show and a character they would care about the writting.
>>147062810Ah yes, the ol "unzip my fur and it's the same thing, but wearing panties and a bra" gag
>>147062916Yep.
>>147062488I'm holding out for a hero to step up and free us from TV Tropes by creating their own trope site. Not talking about those mirror wikis either. Something entirely new, made from scratch. It'll never happen, since it's too much work and TV Tropes, for all it's many faults, is still popular, but I can dream.
>>147030952>aged upThere were "gags" aka fetishes in the original show too. Buster had like two muscle inflation moments and one was with plucky.
>>147063194All the Tropes did that over a political schism.
>>147056825It's the exaggeration. Exaggerating characters and scenarios for gags also unlocks fetishes in people's brain's.
>>147063419NTA, but what's the history on that? Guessing some gay shit, but sounds like it'd be fun to hear about
>>147063455Of course they'd document it https://allthetropes.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Why_Fork_TV_Tropes
>>147063473Well fuck, I'd have figured it'd be something like "these guys are meanie poopie heads" or whatever, but I can see why they would split off, since I recall for a time TVtropes removed a bunch of tropes like male gaze because heaven fucking forbid they have an article about obvious fanservice whilst keeping other things like hartman hips and the like
>>147063517They still remove tropes and cut pages all the time, even ones clearly within their guidelines that had a lot of care put into them. Also, hartman hips isn't a trope anymore.
>147063641You are over 40 years old and need to end your life
>>147034739underrated post
>>147060796>Pinky and the Brain with Elmyra is the kind of thing where it would be a funny one-off episodeIt already was. It was called "Mindy & The Brain." It was hilarious, but never needed to happen again.
>>147039250probably just bad phrasing. if you try to copy something existing note for note, it just doesnt sound good.
>>147063631Again? I know I saw that on a trope page not too long ago, unless they simply forgot to scrub it from every article. Or do they just flip flop on it being a thing with them?
He's here.
>>147063706They recently decided it wasn't worthy of being a trope.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17298147600.44302200&page=1
>>147059825Toshihiko Masuda is 62 years old and has been freelanced since 2003.
>>147063717>is 14>kept at home by her mother instead of going on a date>suicidal ideation after 5 minutesThis was the most realistic episode.
>>147063740Of course they do away with it because of some stupid shit. It's like they want to be an even bigger joke than places like reddit or twitter
>>147063788literally the first time i heard of this was from you retards
>>147050476It's the shitty Animaniacs reboot all over again.
>>147030897did they ever...you know...
>>147064493Explore each other’s bodies?
>>147059825>I don't know why this is your default assumption. Why do you think sweatshops = higher quality?Because if something is extremely well animated it's either 1) some autist with infinite time doing it as a passion project or 2) a talented team working around the clock for a company. And companies never pay well. Every single time I've seen a visually impressive animation, a year or two later you hear about the abominable work conditions they were put through. Also I imagine the quality of life was way worse in the 80s. If shit's bad now it was probably way worse without shit getting called out on social media, the animation expose shit and governing bodies regulating work hours and shit. Back then they'd stick 30 guys in a sweatshop with no AC and everyone smoking and tell them to crack out 40 episodes of captain planet or some shit.>Japan makes a ton of animation, especially at that time period. If you think 80s anime production wasn't the same I have a bridge to sell you. Anime was built on that shit. Look into why Toei fucking exists. Surprise it was because they wanted to pay people less. Astro boy exists because they figured out how to make sweatshops profitable. That's why I don't assume. I know that time period was getting away with some hinky shit.
>>147064804Sorry both bunny's assholes are reserved for the corkscrew
>>147030897I think you may be looking at this the wrong way round. I think it was to ward off shippers by making them siblings thus making art of the pair too weird much like making a female presenting character less attractive in order to stop any sexual intent; of course all that really does is filter out any shippers or art EXCEPT the incest shit because the writers are dickheads who forget how perverted the web is! See >>147030977
>>147063788Not that anon, but I could at least understand why they might want to remove the examples from more extreme fanservice trope pages - that at least makes sense if you're concerned about standards dropping because people think the site is there as a wanking laundry list. I don't like it because it's undoing the work of the site and probably nothing to worry about but at least it's within reason with regards to the site's mission statement.But this is plain dumb. What the fuck is remotely sexual about Hartman Hips???
>>147065226man i hate ducks
>>147065351Based on their discussion, they thought the trope was confusing, and since Hartman's controversial, they didn't care for the idea of a trope being named after him, so they cut it. That said, while it's understandable they don't wanna be a wank site, the efforts they go through to police sexual content goes far beyond that. When they started doing clean-up after the Google incident, it was honestly needed. A lot of pages and tropes had been overrun by horny autists, and while they did panic and nuke everything for a bit (seriously, they deleted something as big as Fate Stay Night because of it's sex scenes), things more or less went back to normal. But as time went on, and less serious work was needed, pearl-clutching admins got more overzealous, guidelines became more restrictive and arbitrary, and editors all too eager to vote out or censor pages to the bones swarmed in, and it's been like that since. The community's much too "moral" and "upstanding" to relax now.
>>147065737Buster...
>>147037204My issue was they changed almost all of their backstories and even some of their personalities. Why do a sequel to the 90's series and change so many things?That pissed me off.
>>147034686Plucky is for Babs
>>147065351>>147065973It's rather silly ridding the tag just because Hartman is "controversial", but it's also dumb since they clearly keep things like Male Gaze around, which is essentially the same thing, just more overt because it's "look, boobs/butt"It all just reeks of moral superiority not unlike the fuckheads on twitter who rally against porn artists, but will gladly ship fucking toxic pairings like Deku and Bakugo because... I don't even know how the fuck their logic works where porn = terrible, but literal autistic relationships = sacred cow
>>147062032This, except when it goes against the general tvtroper zeitgeist they'll shut it down
>>147063631wow that's a real shame since hartman hips really are a trope and those 4 don't really fit in many cases of hartman hips
>>147056825BasicallyIf it ever happened in a cartoon, some very sheltered kid will internalise it as pleasurable. That’s how you get schizophrenic fetishes like the “dangling from a great height by your fingers” fetish.
>>147066351Then I guess that means Shirley gets BUSTED
>>147066661Or "being flattened" "being eaten" "being inflated", etc. Many of those were thought as jokes taking advantage of the absurd properties of a cartoon character. That led to kids having a fascination with that, and that turned into a fetish.Hell. Even most fart things are there because old fags think "fart funny" not because of some ill intent.
>>147066931On the topic of “being eaten”, whenever you see that in Looney Tunes with Sylvester & Tweety or Furball & Sweetie, it’s because the point is to show how scary it would be to be in the bird’s position. How that manifests as “I want animals to eat me” is a mystery for the ages.
>>147066994It's an usual way to cope with a fear making it something sexual. Why do you think vampire boy/girlfriends got popular in the last 20 years?Like a way to show dominance.
>>147067715Nobody cared either since they were funny animals, do it with humans and you would be cancelled ASAP.It's the same way Spongebob got away with being hyper gory at one point and had Squidward getting his toenail ripped out.
>>147067784>TMS pays well and has good working condition.You got any data from 1980?
>>147067750Yeah, even thought it was a known underground fandom they could get away with more with funny animals because no one could ever be attracted to a cartoon animal, especially guys.By the 2010s they finally realized it was very common
>>147067750Anime will like to have a word with you.
>>147030897>The original show makes Buster Han in the Star Wars parody and Plucky was Luke, even though both of them would have fit better in the other’s roleWhat did they actually mean by this?
>>147047815I wish I had the balls to publicly lust after young cartoon characters with my legal name like those guys
>>147069185Dude, the net was geek/nerd territory. Back then, no one offline was finding out you lusted after purple skunk pussy on the net.
>>147069017>Star Wars parody was the second episode airedPretty fucking retarded on their part in hindsight, you should flesh out your world and cast that early in the game and not delve into cheap parodies.
>>147069670And that was a niche of a niche, most Tiny Toons and Animaniacs fans online back then were talking about what scenes were animated by Kazuhide Tomonaga and what scenes were animated by Atsuko Tanaka.
>>147066661>go to deviantart just to search for random pics of characters i like>this fetishseriously wtf even generates this kind of fetishwhy am i even questioning deviantart
>>147037141The only scene I remember from the original is where Porky Pig is explaining that you can defy gravity as long as you don't look down.
>>147070437Elmer, not Porky.
>>147066661>>147066931>>147066994>>147066994Do we know how long these weird types of fetishes have existed for? I recall something about a French comic/magazine back in the early 1900's having a comic about an inflating woman.
>>147070533>I recall something about a French co-Fifi made it. Whatever’s in her imagination, it makes Fur Affinity look like a church.
>>147031039WTF happened to making cartoons for the little guy?The big guy?The medium sized guy with a bad haircut?That was Buster Bunny's promise to us in the pilot episode.
