Batgirls thread?
I think we got more than enough bat-freaks on 4chan already. I mean, sheesh, what's next? Batgrannies?
>>147086975There's only one batgirl and neither of those is her.
>>147087471You're on the wrong side of history.
>>147087574You will be ridiculed by some very unsavory people and face a rude reality check if you keep sucking the fat cock of the political machine like that
>147087589this is a bot
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147087777What a waste of quads
>>147087777>Those quadsWtf I hate Cass now.
>>147087777Okay and?
>>147087777Common Domino Dare W
It will always be funny that, objectively speaking, David is by far worse than ArthurHowever, on a personal level, Arthur is a worse dad, if only because David at least loves his daughter, even if he's still a horrible father
>>147086975Okay, but what if Cass had green skin?
>>147087909David turned Cass into a human weaponBut he wasn't lowly enough to sell her to an all male gang for collateral so he could get some smokes in prison.
>>147087777I don't think she's that bad, but she's basically DC's Carol with how much /co/ shills her despite her middling success. Hell, even Carol has more than her.
>>147087777>let's make this popular character a villain out of nowhere>let's reboot the universe twice so nobody remembers what's canon about this character>let's give this character two books in 24 yearsGee, I wonder what could possibly have resulted in low sales. It must be the character's fault and no other reason.
>>147087471This. I'm so fucking sick of DC and Marvel trying to reboot every character with some replacement. I don't give a shit about NuCanon, just make fun adventures with established characters.
>>147089561The only time Batgirl is fun is when Babs is a cripple.
>>147089576Gookgirl faggot propaganda that nobody believes
>>147089874They fucked.
>>147090090
>>147089874>>147090090>>147090127Barbara was watching.
>>147089561You're rightJay Garrick is the only FlashGreen Lantern? Alan Scott and nobody else
Cass's new book is good and I like it
>>147090597>>Stephanie’s heart.>>Duke’s hope.Harper Row fans stay blasted.
>>147090736>I am Harper's...>Uh...>Hmm...>...Nose ring?
>>147090736>>147090759I am Harper’s parent’s killer.
>>147090778
>>147090210She set up a secret camera in Dick's apartment so she can watch all his one night stands.
>>147090827>Turns out, everyone in the BatFam has been having sex in Dick's apartment
>>147090838Steph/Jason; Cass/Duke; Dick/Melinda
We need a proper Goth Batgirl.
>>147090946Cass is the Goth Batgirl.
>>147087777I will say that, although you are correct on paper, you are ignoring that most of the Bat family except Bruce, Dick and recently Damien have those exact same problems due to being tied to Gotham and it's problems.The main problem Cassie has is that same old "She's never REALLY had a solo run as her own thing" Like, all of her runs she had solo were as Batgirl being "What if Batman was dealing with his rogues, but as a teenage girl?" It's the same with most of the Bat family. I mean, by that logic, who are Alfred's unique rogues? Who are Tim Drake's unique rogues? Hell, even Barbara doesn't REALLY have any unique rogues apart from a few mobsters. The rest of her rogues are Bruce's hand-me-downs.Cassies only outside of Gotham adventures were being parts of other teams like the Outsiders and Young Justice, meaning she was dealing with those team's rogues. Dick got around this by moving to Bludhaven and getting the rogues from there like Blockbuster and Torque. Damien has had a few solo globetrotting adventures due to his popularity.
>>147091130So, pretty much, it's not:>They keep trying to push her hard to make her her own thing and keep failing miserably!And more>They never really tried pushing her that hard. She has middling success due to middling pushes.
>>147091176>They keep trying to push her hard to make her her own thing and keep failing miserably!Yeah, give her credit, she's not Iron Heart.
>>147091022Not gothy enough.
>>147090597>>147090608I find this type of dialogue so condescending. Like the writer isn't actually writing Cassandra, he (or she idk) is writing for the """""fans""""" Reminds me of those Wayne Family Adventure comics. It's just writing for the fandom's idea of the character.
>>147091022Being a neet shut-in that wears black doesn't make her goth.
>>147090597Reddit dialogue
>>147091130>>147091176>>147091239No. The reason her pushes are middling is because "mysterious asian waif kung fu master" is a stereotype so old and cliche that all of the plot you can wring out of it is similarly trite and uncompelling. Shit like >>147090597aka the sideways hallway fight is a kung fu movie cliche, but gookgirl somehow makes it even worse with that cringe inducing shot.>She has middling success due to middling pushes because her concept is inherently trite, derivative and a dead end.
>>147090736I don't want the fan-favorite to be associated with the dumb DONUT STEEL.
>>147091648I don’t care what anyone says, Harper is hot.She looks like that girl from Squid Game season 2.
>>147091678>I don’t care what anyone says, Harper is hot.You know what? Yeah I can see it, they didn't go out of their wake to make her a supermodel like the rest of the Batfam, but she does stand out. I just wish they didn't give her such bad haircuts. I remember her hair being fine during her first appearance. >She looks like that girl from Squid Game season 2.Which one?
>>147091717Player 380 the alt girl
>>147091827Damn.
>>147091855What? I don’t understand.
>>147091960She's cute.
Nudists
>>147091130Cass' original run was fairly light on the traditional supervillain, much less the Gotham rogues. Alfred doesn't have any unique rogues because he's not a superhero. Tim and Babs have a fair number of unique supervillains of their own from their respective solo series. Damian barely has anyone and it's funny you should mention Blockbuster because he's an old Batman villain.
>>147093319Just imagine if CW had gotten their act together and we got Sydney Sweeney for Steph.
>>147092746Hey, that's mine.Give ideas me to draw them in.
>>147094880More casual nudism between Cass and StephMaybe a rear shot of the two going on a nude stroll
>>147094880Draw them in pretty princess dresses :)
>>147094880In some sort of pulpy, sexy peril situation like... uhhh... yeah.
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>>147089874>>147090090>>147090210>>147090827Dickfags not making a batgirl thread about themselves challenge (impossible).
>>147096770>casually murders a goon
>>147096770Oh neat, Steph is in the Harley Quinn show universe. I wonder if they'll add Cass into the verse.
>>147096803Sure, the one from the movies.
>>147096803Here's your Harley Quinn universe Cass
>>147096845I don't really like this version of Cass at all, but it was really funny when she just effortlessly beat up Babsgirl without even trying.
>>147087471This bette is the true bat-girl
>>147096714They're mad JasonChads derailed their thread with actual discussions.
>>147086975Cass should never talk
>>147094183CW could never afford her.
>>147097096True. But she's graduated to being the one true Flamebird.
Hey /co/, I'm a WB executive who will finally take a chance on the CW and give them a budget that isn't twenty bucks and grant them access to use as many Batman characters as they want, but no Batman, otherwise it would be just a Batman show. Gimme me your best idea.
>>147097887I just want a cozy case/adventure of the week show starring Babs and her two sexy apprentices. Just hire some competent martial artists especially for Cass and Shiva, and a girl with a huge rack for Steph. Killer Moth and the misfits can be recurring minor foes, throw in some cyberpunk plotlines for Babs. Gotham is a big enough city, but if we need an excuse to get Batman out of the way, he's in seclusion after Jason Todd/Red Hood shot the Joker to save his life.
>>147097887Spend your money somewhere else where you might get a return.
>>147096770This is the one win Steph has gotten since her one short run.
>>147097887What if we did a Smackdown Vs Raw thing where Nightwing leads one show and Red Hood leads the other? Dicl gets Damian, Cass, and Steph while Jason gets Tim, Steph, and fan-favorite Harper Row. Babs shows up in both shows to give them their missions.
>>147094880Cass and Steph in their sleepwear
>>147094880Both Steph and Cass in Princess attire and feeling embarrassed (Cass because not used to being in dresses, Steph for the dress being too tight in the chest)
>>147099981So you want to do Outsiders vs Outlaws? Also, weird coincidence that Dick and Jason both have team names that start with the word out.
>>147086975
>>147101274>So you want to do Outsiders vs OutlawsOh hell yeah, it could definitely work.
>>147101300This would be the most hilarious pairing ever. It needs to happen at least once.
Steph and Cass should get their own teamsThey are the only one of the "main" BatFam to not have one
>>147101274Isn't Outsiders a team book for Kate, Batwing and a Planetary expy?
>>147101539Yes... and it was very forgettable because it was a team book for Kate, Batwing and a Planetary expy.
>>147101629Haha, that thing fell of the face of the earth so fast. What on earth were thy thinking by making a stealth Planetary reboot without Ellis or even the characters from that series that people liked.?
>>147101490Cass has been on many teams, she's just not really one to lead a team herself.She did create the proto-Batman Inc.--the Network--though Dick ended up getting all the credit for it.
>>147101732My God, Bruce looks so fat.
>>147101490Steoh should be in Blonde Justice.
>>147102467Nobody in this pic has never shaved down there.
>>147102572They're blondes so its not very dense anyway. just a light, fluffy down
>>147102467>>147102613Grrrrrrrr dumb blonde brats with fluffy pubes!
>>147099981One show full of A-list draws and the other full of Jannettys is setting the secondary show up for failure. The Red Hood fans will work themselves into a shoot.
>>147102467They fixed Kara's age, she's not part of the 00s sororisluts anymore.
what’s the point in printing these kinky covers if I’m too embarrassed to buy them at my local store even
>>147102973Be strong anon, I accidentally bought two of them.
>>147102929The term is sororstitute. And how old is she? I thought all three were supposed to be college aged.
>>147103007Sorostitutes get paid, even if it's in drinks and parties. The sororisluts do it for the love of the game.She's back up in the Nightwing/Batgirl generation. Late 20s pushing 30. Been this way for the past three years, give or take.
>>147102984“One copy of batgirl #3 cover B please, and yes, if you were wondering, I DO enjoy images of dyke gimps and the silhouettes of their tits.”Doesn’t sound so bad when I put it like that I guess.
>>147102885Dick by all considerations is a massive Jannetty who needs a bunch of C-listers to prop him like Haitch did back with DX post-Shawn Michaels. Jason draws dimes and can carry a show, Tim can too provide its 90s Tim who isn't trying to be multiple characters at once.
>>147103091Don't forget to ask if you can use their restroom on your way out. And yes, you will be taking your purchase in with you.
How the fuck is there more wrestling terminology here than in my Kinnikuman storytime on /a/?
>>147101327Not gonna lie, with a good creative team it could work and it would give the "Bat-family" something to do rather than just show up once a year for another "Batman called in all his allies" splash page.
>>147099981How come nobody told me I had Steph twice. Dick gets Batwoman, and Jason gets Steph.
>>147102885>Damian, Cass and Steph>A-list drawsYou can't be be serious.
>>147103140I'm guessing the jobbers at /a/ have the same tastes as Dave Meltzer. We don't and we DO say that word around here brother.
>>147102885Damian and Cass are not by any means A-listers and that's why I paired them up with Dick, who by all accounts SHOULD be an A-lister given all he's remembered for is TTGo and Titans though I wonder if I made the right choice because Dick and Cass are teachers' pets for Bruce, Damian is the only standout guy here.
>>147086975Reminder Gothamites will never respect Cass and Steph because they can't measure up to Babs big beefers
>>147103496Damn, they don't even mention Steph. They really do think she sucks.
>>147103496Steph's big hodonkerooos are second to none!
>>147103669Steph does suck as Batgirl, but this was published when Cass was evil. Post-Crisis Simone Birds of Prey. And they're talking about Misfit, the big tiddy teleporting redhead.
>>147102313He's bulking.
>>147103762published when Cass was evil and Spoiler was dead*
Cass can be good if they actually give her villains to work with.
>>147103796She has her mom and…
>>147103843yeah
>>147103045How much give or take? She was 21 in Woman of Tomorrow, which started 4 years ago and ended 3 years ago. When was there time to dramatically change this
>>147103926DC's had a weird fixation on Supergirl for a few years centered around overcompensating and loathing for the "-girl" suffix. >>147103796>>147103843There have been a couple of decent ideas for giving her an expanded roster of villains to face.
>>147103148Have you noticed how often after the end of a (terrible) event, all the characters get together and announce they don't have to protect Gotham alone because they have each other, only to go back to doing it alone? I'm sick of it, but then again, who the hell is asking that Duke show up?
>>147104426Yes and that's not counting the Batman Incorporated characters. It's like can DC pick a creative direction? You have all these characters and different titles to put them out their to expand the Bat line in a way that's not redundant and mean while they can't decide if Batman should be a loner or not. That Bat office needs leadership.
>>147104733It really does and I'm fucking tired of how it seems like so many Bat comics are coming every month, but NOTHING interesting is happening to give me a reason to see what is happening in Gotham. I miss when the editorial had character. I miss when Denny O'Neil and Peter Tomasi as editors were cooking.
>>147103045>makes Kara and Power Girl the same age>makes Conner and Jon the same ageDC is retarded
>>147103796How many times can you make a villain that Cass can't read?
>>147103007>>147103045>>147103926Kara is around the same age as the first generation of sidekicks like Dick and Babs.
>>147104858Isn't Power Girl part of the grown ass adult generation like Bruce and Clark?She never really seemed "young" to me, you know, I've always seen her as pretty mature.
>>147104928That was always my assumption but apparently Kara is the roughly the same age as her now. None of ages really make any sense. Characters like Bruce and Clark stay the same age but their proteges keep getting older. Like Bruce is supposed to be 35-40 but if Dick is in late 20s/early 30s then Bruce was wasn't even old enough to drink when he took him in.
>>147105020>apparently Kara is the roughly the same age as her nowSource? Kara is around the same age as Dick, who I never saw being around the same age as PG.>Characters like Bruce and Clark stay the same age but their proteges keep getting older.Ehhh, I wouldn't say Bruce and Clark are the same age, they just look the same, but they're definitely not strapping 25 year old young adults anymore lol>Bruce is supposed to be 35-40 but if Dick is in late 20s/early 30s then Bruce was wasn't even old enough to drink when he took him in.I think there are ways to make it work, I've seen some people make it make sense, but you have to be willing to accept Bruce being in like his 40s, which I'm honestly fine with.
>>147104928PG and Huntress were part of the Earth-2 equivalent to the Titans before the CrisisFor, like, two issues, but still, they were young
>>147105258That's probably where the confusion comes from.Also, because Power Girl was never really treated as a "young" character post-Crisis from what I remember, I recall her being mostly being seen with the adult non-legacy characters, like, she wouldn't fit with the Titans, but would make sense with the JL.Earth-2 Huntress just got completely replaced by a new Huntress who was actually part of Dick's age range I think.And then there's the other Infinity Inc. members who are seemingly part of that "oldest young characters" group.
>>147105297Also, I think from a narrative standpoint it just makes sense for PG to be older than Kara, even if just a bit.
>>147104913I'm fine with Kara being part of that generation again, I just wish DC would tell us what her modern origin is exactly, there's been some bits and pieces here and there, but I want some kind of Supergirl Year One that explains it all in detail.
>>147102929Kara should be perpetually 16.
>>147103843There's also this guy.
>>147105517Killer Moth is the eternal thorn in the side of Batgirls.
>>147105517Jason and Dick would fucking murder this guy, no wondered he goes after THOTS.
Ngl, but being a female hero must be pretty sad at times cause they’re women, they get hurt more easily then men, they’re not as strong as men and and they try twice as hard just to reach a standard that a man could have done without even trying. Comics books have done a better job of teaching me the inequalities of life than all the cheesy training videos I’ve seen in my life.
>>147106051Jason did slice him up, stab him through the hand, and jack his wings.
>>147096702sex
>>147106522meanwhile Barbara would just jack him off
>>147106860>Tell me Joker's plan, or your orgasm isn't the only thing that's going to get ruined. >Oh, COME ON! >I'd let you if you told me his plan! >FINE!!
>>147105517At least Cass gets her revenge later.
>>147106522Issue pls>>147106860Moth wishes
>>147099981Where’s Duke?
>>147108963We already have a black character, his name is Jason Todd.
So Batgirls… I think they’re pretty neat.
>>147109702Based desu
>>147109917>it's blurple
>>147110627???
I have absolutely no hope for anything good happening to the Batgirls in 2025.
>>147111769Cass has a good book but the other two, especially Steph, are fucked.
>>147109702Agreed.
>>147111769Babs will formally become Mrs. Nightwing.
>>147112355*correction: Babs and Dick won’t get married, but they pretend that they’re basically married and that the dog is their kid.
>>147112355I hope Tom Taylor explodes soon
>>147112206>So then, get this ladies, so then he starts crying and asking "do you still respect me as a man?">KWAB!
>>147112496No matter what, Steph needs to get pregnant again.
>>147113206Steph has Cass's child after getting hit with one of her pregnating karate chops.
>>147087574It's HERstory, you stupid nazi maga bigot!
>>147113079Ngl I do respect Dick less as a character knowing he got KWABed. Twice.
>>147111827Steph has always been just kind of "there." Too popular to get rid of but not popular enough to headline anything or be a part of any prominent team.
>>147087471Are we really pretending people like Babs as Batgirl? I thought everyone wanted her back as Oracle.
>>147087471no slurs or sexism, so it's not Domino Dare Doll. Probably.
>>147087909That's true. I still think David is a way less interesting character, though.
>>147089874
>>147113589I don't know that much about Cluemaster, but always liked David from Cass's original run where he's clearly past his prime and completely destroyed by what happened with Cass. Him trying to reconcile his love for Cass with the terrible things he did to her made him interesting.
>>147091595you just can't help yourself, Domino Dare Doll. You just hate Asian people so much.
>>147092746Steph should be throwing (this is Steph, in Cass's costume)
>>147101732I liked the first half, but it turned into a lecture on gun control in the last two issues, which was really annoying. Kinda soured me on Lanzig and Kelly, honestly.
>>147113453As a steh fan, I'm kinda of grateful we even made it that far. there's characters the big two actively push with less fanart or a fandom in general. Steph was designed as a one-off and yet has lasted long enough to be considered a regular and have fanart world wide.
>>147103762Steph does NOT suck as anything!
>>147112206Marquez did good on this final cover.
>>147113613My problem is they never actually did anything interesting with David. Just had him be sad. No reforming. No repenting. Just sad, but still evil. That plus his really obnoxious "appears in the same issue as Cass so he's clearly just a supporting character for her instead of a deep lore cut" origin in NML was so weak.Arthur, on the other hand, really WAS a deep lore cut, and he's so petty and complicated in his pettiness that I think he's really interesting.
>>147113732Gotta keep her going!
>>147113782I guess I really don't care about him being a deep lore cut or not. He's a pathetic guy that exists primarily to be a source of conflict for Cass about her past, and works really well at that. Trying to redeem him or something shouldn't happen because he's ultimately a monster that doesn't deserve redemption, and the best he could do to try to do right by Cass was just turn himself in and sit in jail when he could easily escape.
>>147113470>Are we really pretending people like Babs as BatgirlTurns out, the DCAU did more harm than good in the long run.
>>147113381Three times. Including literally in the sweltering summer of '92.
>>147113610Steph and Cass must smell so bad after a night of beating up crooks. *sniff*
Well anons, can you prove it?
>>147086975New thread nice! Shame i didnt see it before, i am on a trip on japan so the timezone's all different from what I'm used to, love seeing these.>>147087547Who did this?>>147087794Oh hey got banned?
>>147088110Steph beat him up good for that.
>>147089479I mean the current thing did better in #1 sales that any batgirl book since the peak of the new 52 (which includes two relaunches in between), that's really good for a character like cass.>>147089561I mean yeah but cass has existed since 1998 the fact she's still around is almost entirely due to fan support is telling.>>147089576Batgirl year one is fun, but outside of that barbara suffers form almost all her interesting traits having only been defined as oracle which means they're harder to trnaplsant to present day batgirl if she's already been oracle.>>147090597Its a pretty good out of 10, has its issues with pacing I feel and the shiva elephant in the room.>>147091130I don't think you're wrong conceptually but cas spsefically almost never dealt with bruce's rouges, she had one off adventures with normal criminals mostly, and then shiva/david.
>>147091176If anything id say cass being as popular as she is when the most she got pushed was being introduced at the end of an event is impressive? Comparatively damian and tim had huge pushes.>>147091384Ehh outside of jason and damian these all are people cass has had strong moments with that fit this angle? Like yeah of course shed refer to tim as the brains cause shta't how they've often teamed up, etc.>>147091595Good thing cass isn't really that. Only one of her original run stories have her as a martial artist first. She's mostly the "born a weapon" thing, which characters like x-23 (or even wolverine for that matter) show how endemically popular it is. People latch on to the fighter thing because the batfamily fandom loves to tmntificate the characters (see the robins)Also you say that but cass won fan polls for best female character in stuff like wizard three years in a row
>>147115607>Also you say that but cass won fan polls for best female character in stuff like wizard three years in a rowYeah but those guys also fellated Garth Ennis and his boyfriend Warren Ellis, they're the last people you'd ask for an opinion on comics.
>>147115596Babs' most interesting traits like her paranoia and self-righteousness did show up during her Batgirl stint.
>>147104280>overcompensating and loathing for the "-girl" suffix.I fucking hate fandom bitching over inanity bleeding into stories. Pic related also spent a bunch of time bitching over being called Wonder "Girl".
They need to get their own Batgirls run.
>>147116875"Guys Knight Out"
>>147117217>Aww, widdle Timmy wants to be hardcore and hang with the real badasses from the streets.>Growing up poor doesn't make you a badass, Jason, it just makes you maladjusted.>Whatever helps you sleep at night.>I didn't swipe two fistfuls of ketchup packets at dinner.
>>147113453I've always been kinda surprised that Spoiler didn't go the way of Orpheus, Azrael, Onyx, Harold, Ghostmaker, Bette...
>>147113613I've never really "bought" David as a character. All the stuff he acts all sappy about was directly his fault and his doing.
>>147117515She got lucky by having strong relationships to other characters like Tim and Cass, and being a fan-favorite.The fact that she jumped into the Robin and Batgirl roles when Tim and Cass weren't available also definitely helped.But even then, she currently has no comic to call home, she's waiting in the shelf with Jason, Tim, and Duke.
>>147116875There was a robins book.
>>147117515Bette has her Titans ties to keep her from fully disappearing. Still, it's been awhile since she's popped up.
>>147116875It's been done.
>>147087471People unironically just see Babs as oracle now
>>147117705The robins really invite gay art don't they?
>>147117723Good.
>>147103149Because having Steph in everything is good.
>>147117723Babs is still my Batgirl.
>>147117705Dick is the bottom.
>>147118375They're all bottoms.
>>147116875I'm still working on Robin:Brotherhood.
>>147118977Who are you
>>147103149Steph is on both teams. No one comments on it but she's there.
I just want Babsgirl back.DC had almost 4 years to convince me why Babs as Oracle was necessary and they failed to do so.
>>147119071They had 20 for her as Batgirl and they failed. And she's still Batgirl hf the time so they never stopped doing what you want.
https://youtu.be/nbbioSF2MXQ?si=3Ltf1CLDmja4r3fO>18k viewsHuh.
>>147119258>And she's still Batgirl hf the timeI haven't seen her as Batgirl in years.
>>147119361She's been Batgirl in almost all her appearances in taylors nightwing come on. And she just had one in the Christmas special. She's not gone three months without donning the cowl again.
>>147119071Barbara should be Batwoman. The other two can share the Batgirl mantle. One can operate in Gotham and the other can be the "international" Batgirl.
>>147119433She should be, but that would mean ditching Kate Kane. And DC would never do that to their pet lesbian character. They haven't hax any idea what to do with her for years now, but they need her for Pride months, so she's staying.
>>147119433Is there a design of the idea?
>>147119598>ditching Kate KaneImpossible, they wouldn't unless they give Kate a new identity, or killed her off.
>>147120253Babswoman should wear something like this.
>>147120272Have they updated her origin, or are they hoping Donald reinstates don't ask don't tell?
>>147120288Pretty sure it's still the same origin via new 52
>>147120253If anything, it was Kate that stole Babs's original Batwoman design. I guess DC back in 2000's were too autistic to get rid of their precious Oracle, but found the design too cool to go to waste.
>>147119433>The other two can share the Batgirl mantle.As long as Babs and Cass use the Batgirl name, Steph will just be "the lesser Batgirl" by comparison, she's better off as Spoiler.
I think Punished Babs had potential.
>>147120304>>147120342That's still called batgirl there. Explicitly
Batwoman’s design is too cool to waste on Babs who’s now just a glorified GPS.
>>147117723That's not true at all though and I can prove it by the fact we haven't seen Oracle in the comics since they semi-retired Babs 5 years ago.
>>147120272Does anyone like Kate after her nu52 series? She was the worst.
>>147119598>>147120272No one gives a shit about Kate Kane. You could probably count the number of legitimate fans she has on one hand.
>>147121329Bette still cares about her
>>147121376I don't understand why.
>>147121329I liked her role in tyntion's tec well enough, tho everyone else was more interesting.>>147120942She's not really?>>147119269Arkham knight mods finally starting out was so cool.>>147115843Oh I don't mean the magazine, I meant people voting in, wizard's editorial takes were something usually bad.
>>147115955I don't know, I think they were severely unerplayed compared to her time as oracle and almost all of the interesting development dynamics wise from that wasn't there. Since a lot were very much built around it. See BOP.>>147120304See while that design was absolutely made for babs, it was still a batgirl design, just an edgy one. Ross DID do a babs as batwoman design tho. For a mini that didn't get published.>>147119071Huh? She's still batgirl half the time, I don't get this. And its a weird comment to make in regards to barbara given, you know context.>>147119433I hate shared names, and id rather babs be oracle but if she's not then yeah they could at least do two batgirls and two batwomen.
>>147120981This is also not true. Rn babs is in the weird alternating phase but she's "technically" both batgirl and oracle depending on the story.
>>147121390That costume was cool.
Which one is Aunt Kate's favorite?
>>147122472Steph for very obvious and impure reasons.
>>147091678
>>147120288If they fudge her history they can still wring a few more years out of it but as per Elegy Kate would need to be 38 for her background to work currently.
>>147123038Harper is cute but she still dresses like she’s in 9th grade.
>>147122387That may be the best depiction of Flamebird of all time, only for it to be immediately thrown away when Betty jobs to a Hispanic ghost with one hand so Kate can get forced to work for a budget Waller to fight spooks.
Remember that time Riddler and his lesbians were living in Steph's house?
Anon help me I can't stop swelling!
What if we had a normal thread?
>>147123521I liked the jetpack and flamethrowers, but Hawkfire wasn't her best look.
>>147121390Bette is desperate for affection. Poor girl was neglected, save for her Aunt Kathy, and wanted to replicate that relationship with Kate, hence putting up with her bullshit despite having well over a decade of hero experience on her.
>>147125066That was an awful costume and name.
>>147113747Literally only interesting as Spoiler but fanboys don't want to hear that because being Robin or Batgirl IV makes her more "important" somehow.
>>147125145Being part of the legacy of Robin/Batgirl = GoodBeing a lesser Robin or Batgirl while the main ones are also around = BadThere is nothing wrong with acknowledging Steph was Batgirl, but as long as Babs and Cass are also Batgirls themselves, Steph is much better as Spoiler, instead of just being the lesser Batgirl.
>>147125222Spoiler lacks prestige, as much as Steph's fans would like otherwise. As Batgirl, Steph is less likely to fade away like Bette.
>>147125145I may be biased since I was introduced to her as Robin, but actually reading through her history and how much she got shit on after the 90's writers left and they tried to make the batbooks more "gritty" a thus a teen girl amateur vigilante had to face consequences instead of beating up comic booky crooks at an arcade. It stuck out in the batbooks in the era of guys like Brubaker and Rucka, unfortunately. Which is why she got set up to fail in war Games. So the Spoiler mantle was tainted for years.Seeing her become Batgirl was cathartic. It helped that they had yet to try and pretend mainline comics Babsgirl ever acted like TNBA/The Batman/DCSHG Babsgirl, so having a Batgirl who was actually a fun teen girl did feel fresh to the comics. Plus visually,t he whole Spoiler mantle was about hiding herself. Her being Batgirl just felt more confident and finding a place to belong.
…Steph should become the new Batwoman.
>>147125512Having teen-milf milkers does not a Batwoman make.
It's hilarious that Steph and Damian have one of the most sibling relationships in the BatFam despite being possibly the two least related people in it
>>147123050She should be close-ish to Bruce in age anyway. He's just been dipped and de-aged so many times Kate should look like a hag in comparison.
>Bette - The Moth>Babs - Killer Moth>Steph - Tiger MothHas Cass fought any Moth-themed bad guys?
>>147125548Is Damian still going to high school? It would be sweet to have a scene of Steph preparing him for a school dance.
>>147125593>>147105517She wiff'ed Drury.
>>147125593There was a canned story where Cass was gonna fight the Charaxes version of Killer Moth. You can find art from it floating around out there.
>>147125593Gotham needs an entire Hive
>>147124923In what way
>>147125793How hard would it be to read Mothman body language?
>>147117217Perfect
>>147125959i wish this artist hadn't nuked his loli tumblr
>>147121329nah I like her. Just not as much as the other Batwomen.
>>147126619Psu did loli?
>>147125145Literally untrue. She was very interesting as Robin, giving a classic Dick "cheerful Robin" dynamic with a girly twist, and even more interesting as Batgirl, with two years of stellar comics!
>>147125476well said. Her Batgirl run was incredibly cathartic to those who lived through War Games.
>>147125548one of the best ever
The editors seethe at the idea of the little people saving Gotham, and not a billionaire.
Okay, you know the deal, make your Batfam roster.
>>147127966Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, Katherine Kane, Barbra Gordon, Stephanie Brown, Cass, Selina, Bruce and Michael Lane because he's the better Azrael
>>147127966This is a batgirls thread not a general. And the core family is pretty much locked. It's the robins and batgirls. Everyone else is filler
>>147127966:)
>>147127966Who the fuck are even half these people?
>>147127966Like, for a fighting game? A team? General publication needs?
>>147128044lol at the strikes on babs' legs
>>147127966alfreddickjasontimdamianbabsstephcasscatwoman and huntress can be recurring guests or whatever. I like Terry but I think he's better in his own continuity.
>>147128044Why harper?
>>147129148Gotta have the fan favorite.
>>147129148I thought she was a neat little character, probably one of two or three queers DC characters that I actually.
>>147129262How come?
>>147129712I really liked the scrappy brother and sister duo who had nobody but the other.
>>147127042I would be smiling if Steph dragged me into a bounce house.
>>147125599Yes, but he hates it and lately he's been skipping school to volunteer at the hospital because he read Thomas Wayne's journals.Isn't Steph's mom a nurse?
>>147130039In the old universe she was. In the new universe, she's...maybe Cluemaster 2, maybe just a housewife.
Jasonbros and Harpersisters... this was unexpected...
>>147130284Lies and damn lies!
>>147130284Based.
>>147130284I've seen that thing so many times and I always wonder what website is used
>>147130284>tfw your favorite edgelord antihero taps out to bisexual tomboy pussy
>>147104913So is Waid implying that Supergirl never died in CoIE? Because that's what happened to the one that would've been Dicks age
>>147128005>kate>Michael Laneholy shit taste
>>147130202>the new universeWhat's old is new again, DC has debooted itself multiple times.
>>147131273Maybe? I think that's one of the things Convergence did, but no one really acknowledged it.
Which one should be Duke’s girlfriend?
>>147131633He's not beefy enough for Bette.
>>147131633Duke already has a girlfriend ya fag, you would know that if you cared about him in any way besides pushing your blacked fetish.
>>147120942Yeah. Instead we have a bulldyke who's a less likely batgirl then batgirl and we have to pretend we like. Kate even got a fucking solo live action series before the real batwoman, barbara gordon, could get a movie.
>>147131845Bulldyke?
>>147130284Stephsisters...
>>147131799Any porn?
>>147132522Look at Kate Kane and tell me she's not the one putting on the plastic dick to act like the man.
>>147130284Holy based batman
>>147131799Black spic or just spic?
>>147132685She's a cocktail lesbian imo
>>147131552Everyone forgot about Convergence. I only remember it for Parallax fucking shit up like a boss.
>>147131845Just because Kate sucks doesn’t mean Babs should become the next Batwoman. She’s already found her niche as Oracle.
>>147135265yeah just like Spectre Hal Jordan or Guy Gardner:Warrior
>>147135564Both those roles were pushed on them as an effort to make Kyle Rayner the lone Green Lantern.
>>147131351What’s wrong with Michael Lane?
Now that she's back I want Nyssa to take her revenge on Cass. Sexually
>>147135921No, Nyssa will get her ultimate victory over Cass by forgiving her and apologizing for her forced involvement in al Ghul family affairs leaving Cass, who was all squared up for a showdown, with massive blue balls on her fight boner.
Aunt Nyssies’ fat kosher milkers…
>>147135883Hes a fucking nothing character.
>>147136137Would Nyssa clasp Cass against her ample, nurturing bossom as a a sign of her forgiveness?
>>147136295Yes, full body press with a hand on the back of Cass' head to center them right between the milk tanks. Maybe even a kiss to the top of the head.
>>147136263Damian, no!
>>147136421>I can't have Aunt Nyssa's fat Khazar milkers, I can't have Steph's fat teen mom milkers, I can't even have Katana's fat murder widow milkers! Well whose fat milkers do I get to have?>Bro, don't you have like 3 girls your age right now who want your dick? Or at least would tolerate you pawing at their tits once or twice?>-tt- This isn't like my ecchi romance manga, this isn't like my ecchi romance manga at all!
>>147136621>”Dame, anime is gay.”>”Fuck you Jason, you ghetto hoodrat.”
I need Nyssa to suit up in her old costume for old times' sake
>>147135564>Spectre Hal JordanHelen was cute
Did someone say Nyssa? (Sorry about not drawing any of the requests from this thread, life got in the way)
>>147136771This, but she laments how tight it feels
>>147136840>And then she said that the whole thing is kept in place by top stick, the belt is only there to give her something to hook her thumbs in when she's walking around imperiously.>Steph, I tell you to gather important information from Nyssa and the best you do is discuss how her clothing works with her breasts?>...It's important to me.
>>147136282He’s harmless.
>>147125145Steph was a good batgrill, honestly I like it more than Spoiler since it felt like an evolution of the character.
>>147125325Steph lacks prestige in general, she could only ever gain prestige if she was the only Batgirl for an extended period of time, but that's not happening.Steph won't fade away because she's part of the Robin and Batgirl legacy, and because of her close relationship with Bat-Family members like Cass, Tim, etc.There are a lot of Batgirls, and when Steph is just one of many, there's no point on having her around, there's only one Spoiler, that's why that's better.You don't see Jason or Dick going back to Robin because that's a more iconic name.>>147138036>evolution of the characterJust because they decided Cass wouldn't be Batgirl anymore, there's no actual reason for Steph to be Batgirl other than "no one else was doing it at the time", now that both Babs and Cass are doing it, Batgirl Steph is redundant.If she's going to be around, she should at least have a unique identity instead of just being the third choice for a Batgirl.
>>147138521I literally could not and cannot think of a character who deserved the title of Batgirl more than Steph.
>>147138521>Just because they decided Cass wouldn't be Batgirl anymoreCass' solo basically burned through all they could do with Cass as Batgirl as is. It was time for her to take another step, they fucked up making her a villain but just being a batkid was running thin.
>>147138553Yes, Steph was the only one around who would get the Batgirl mantle, who else was there? Misfit? lmaoMy point is that it only happened in the first place because they decided to get rid of Cass, the vastly more popular Batgirl, it worked at the moment because of the circumstances, but now that Cass is back and Batgirl, it's ridiculous to pretend like she and Steph are equals.Steph simply cannot continue as a Batgirl as long as Babs and Cass are also wearing the cowl, they vastly overshadow her, she needs her own thing, she was part of the legacy and that should be acknowledged, but she can't live with it forever, specially since Babs and Cass are still out there as the main Batgirls, being Batgirl just guarantees Steph will be #3 in an identity that wasn't made for her, instead of #1 in an identity that's unique for her.>>147138674>Cass' solo basically burned through all they could do with Cass as BatgirlI don't believe that for a bit lmao, come on dude, I know it's not your job to write comics, but use your imagination, there's always more stories to tell, Cass literally has a new Batgirl book right now.Also let's not pretend that wasn't just done to shake up the status quo for shock value, that kind of strategy isn't exactly new in comic books.
>>147138748>Cass literally has a new Batgirl book right now.And it’s already losing steam.
>>147138852My point is that there's always new stories to tell, some of these characters have existed for almost 100 years and there's still stories being told with them.
>>147139050and 99% of those stories are just shit. so your point is moot
>>147138852cry more
>>147139108My point is that new stories can always be told, and that stands, whether you think they're good or bad is a completely different subject, and also irrelevant to what I'm trying to say.
>>147139123OH BOY MORE CASS AND SHIVA STORIES HOW FUCKING ORIGINAL
>>147136621>why aren't those three fighting for my body?
>>147138748>, but use your imagination, there's always more stories to tell, Cass literally has a new Batgirl book right now.She has more stories to tell, I just think they're exhausted as far as Batgirl stories go. Her solo is doing Cass/Shiva relationship shit again. Shit about cass finding a family in Gotham, again.I thought Black Bat was cool cause it felt like a new setup.
>>147139509I liked Black Bat well enough, but functionally it was just a way of shipping Cass off so she'd no longer be around. I don't really know any Black Bat stories that you couldn't tell with Cass as Batgirl.
>>147127966
>>147139279So we need more Cass issues with Bat-Dad.
>>147139723Cass really only have two stories to tell.
>>147131799should've been the autistic asian girl from that run who had a rush on him
>>147140231Who?
>>147105391>Supergirl Year One that explains it all in detail.modern dc would go out of its way to not only make it more convoluted by lame and gay.>>147138521>prestigeIts fucking batgirl man what prestige?
>>147140283riko sheridan
Havent posted some comms have i?>>147126956I still hold that steph had a ton of potential as robin, it wasn't realized fully due to how short the stint was but she could have been a good combo of the three then prior robins desu.>>147125325Spoiler is still dan cool.>>147125548They do yeah>>147139821Ehh not really, she's had a lot of stuff, just that uncreative writers default to shiva isn't on her. It's also far less egregious than current stage tim and dick for a while or babs for a while, and way less than damian or the king of that jason.>>147136840Oh hey dude how are you? On a trip myself! Hope you're doing great
>>147127966Hm I dunno in what way? I feel the core is pretty defined, even if for me structurally the ideal is "batman, robin, batgirl, former robin, former batgirl, outsider of the family" specifics can shift but that's IMO the core.>>147128005I was talking last week about lane, his costume was pretty cool, but its weird I never see him being talked about despite being in the arkham games. I feel he's one of the real "flop" characters who never gets mentioned not even by fans?
>>147091022Sorta
>>147140348Prestige in the sense that people know the name, more than anyone knows "Spoiler" at least.
>>147140796Babs is on all the Batgirl merch, but if you put Steph, people would still recognize her as Batgirl. Then wonder why she isn't a redhead.
>>147140922Yeah, people know Batgirl and some even know Babs, but no one really knows Steph or Spoiler, she's still relatively niche, even if she's part of the "main Bat-Family" right now, she hasn't really been in any mainstream Batman adaptation.Gotham Knights wasn't mainstream.
>>147140967She was in that Harley Quinn spin-off.
>>147141013Anon, Dr. Trap was in the Harley Quinn show, that show really isn't as mainstream as you think it is.Also, it was just a really short role at the beginning of the episode anyway, she wasn't even important, that character could've been Batwoman or even fan-favorite Harper Row.
>>147140440Cute.
>>147141029>or even fan-favorite Harper Row.Unironically the only way you’d get me to watch that shit show.
>>147130747>I've seen that thing so many times and I always wonder what website is usedAffinity Analyzer
It's a sexier ship than DickFire.
>>147141850Not as sexy as BatMoth, but it did feel inevitable that the prom couple would get together.
>>147141850>bat-bicycle vs starfireright
>>147141904>>bat-bicycle vs starfireStarfire by nature is a bigger bicycle.
>>147141904>bat-bicycleHe said Babs, not Rose.
>>147141904How many other love interests has Babs had?
>>147142155Jason Bard was her main squeeze for awhile. Even proposed to her. If not for The Killing Joke, Babs would be Mrs. Bard and long retired.
I want to get smelly with Stephanie!
>>147140348Batgirl outsells Wonder Woman a lot of the time, weirdo. Bat-proximity sales are a thing. Plus the film and tv adaptations giving them more eyeballs.
>>147138748Misfit, Babs, Helena.Steph and Cass could be more than equals if they gave Steph the same kind of push Cass has gotten - her own series launching out of a massive event, Batman giving her her own Batcave, a consistent artist for three years, etc. You act like Cass is just magically the most popular. No. Things had to happen to make her so. Steph could have these things happen too if DC gave her the time and effort. And this can be as Spoiler, Robin, or Batgirl.
>>147140967Gotham Knights sucked so hard I'm glad it wasn't mainstream.
>>147136840Sex
>>147143231I liked Gotham Knights.Babs was the best thing about it.
>>147121329lol a slap from a girl wrecks her that much?
>>147143231I liked Gotham Knights :(Mainly for Harvey and Duela tho, best version of Duela since the original.>>147143829I meant the show only like 6 people watched, I don't think Steph was in the game, was she?
>>147144240That's not two face that's one and a half face
>>147087777>They deleted his post because be told them the Truth.
>>147143222>MisfitOnce again, lmao.>BabsShe was already Oracle and DC wasn't about to make her Batgirl again, not yet anyways.>HelenaMaybe as a distant second from Steph I guess, but I still think Steph was the only real choice.>You act like Cass is just magically the most popular. No. Things had to happen to make her so. Steph could have these things happen too if DC gave her the time and effort.I'm not saying Cass became popular overnight, it was indeed a gradual thing after a big push from DC, but my point is that she in fact more popular than Steph now, and that's why Steph can't compete NOW, if DC wants them to be seen as equals, they need to treat them as such, but the problem is that that takes time, and I don't think DC wants to take that time.Also, sometimes writers just don't want to use Steph and that's it, that's another thing, Cass isn't just more popular with fans, also with writers, and it shows, the last writer who really cared about Steph was Rosenberg, who used her in his Red Hood stories while no one else really did anything with her.Sure, DC could give Steph some big push and maybe not make Babs and Cass seem like she's THE Batgirls, while Steph is just some purple Make-A-Wish kid they let use the name out of pity, but it's just safer to use the more popular characters, that's sadly how it is.>And this can be as Spoiler, Robin, or Batgirl.I actually disagree with that, unless they make a big adaptation of the character in a movie, Steph can't really be Robin or Batgirl while there's already a "main" Robin or Batgirl, or at the very least, it'd be very hard, they tried it for a while, but there's a reason we mainly just see Babs and Cass as Batgirls right now.I truly believe it'd be easier if they put all their chips on Spoiler, it's a unique identity that Steph has all to herself, she doesn't have to share it with anyone else, and that actually goes a long way.
>>147144362Steph IS popular, she's more popular than most dc characters, she's just the least popular of the core bats, which is still not that bad. I do think steph deserves a shot as the sole robin or batgirl again. But spoiler is a fun id.
>>147105517https://youtu.be/otCpCn0l4Wo?t=117Drury's wings throwing off Cass' body language reading should be a thing, because it is hilarious.
>>147144546Steph should be the token bat for Blonde Justice. It's either her or Jean Paul Valley, and Steph would fit in better with Supergirl and Power Girl.
>>147087041
>>147145004Would Kathy be Bat-Granny at this point?
>>147135678And that's different from current DC pushing Cass as One True Batgirl... how?
>>147123038Built for Jason
>>147145392Because babs still takes up the mantle of Batgirl
>>147145609Sure, in retrospectives and non-canon appearances.
>>147145683Don’t you remember how she was Batgirl in Tom Taylor’s Nightwing?
>>147145683Dude, she's batgirl every other apperence and she's gonna be that in hush 2 (not that it'd be good but you know big attention thing). Babs gets a decent amount of attention these days. Its a middle ground situation that doesn't really make oracle or babsgirl fans happy but she's around a lot in both roles (which I sustain is why neither camp is super satisfied) but like the reality is hard to argue with
>>147145688That was almost a year ago and 90% of the time she was stuck as Oracle.
>>147145932Idk, she's just been batgirl in the christmas special. Of the bats the one that has had it weirdly bad rn is huntress when's the last time she even showed up?
WIP ravager vs batgirl
>>147146375Yes now THIS is content
>>147146375Commission a picture of them both sucking Nightwing's cock while Kon-El jerks it from the cuck chair.
>>147146375Also who did you commission for this
>>147127966Where the fuck is Jace?
>>147145932She was Batgirl in Birds of Prey an arc or two ago. Do you even read comics?
>>147146728Nobody cares about Jace
>>147127966Bruce Wayneand Richard Graysonand Alfred Pennyworthand James Gordon
>>147146696I would maybe do both with kon lol.>>147146671Its a two set, the other is cass standing menacingly as a bat shadow.>>147146719Lamelev, cool dude, doesn't do nsfw stuff lol.
>>147127966StephCassGotham GirlHarper RowDuke ThomasJulia PennyworthDamien WayneDuela Dent
>>147146772Dude's done a lot of comms for me, like robincass, nightwingcass, redxtim, two BOP themed casskon pics, a couple of casskons, some arkham styled designs, an arkham origins piece, a cass and kon future design, a Halloween pic for them, one with their daughter,cass vs cass, stephwing design, and some non dc stuff too
>>147146772Kon-El is perpetually 16 years old. Ravager and Cass are both in their 20s. What are you, a pedophile?
>>147146818No? Kon's aged normally since sins of youth. It was a whole thing there
>>147146772Nice, I can't get enough of Cass bullying Rose.
>>147146898Its one of the coolest fights from cass's original book had to get it, now gotta sleep cause japan time.
>>147144708Based
>>147146951TOCA lives in Japan?? The TOCA lore deepens.
>>147147036Nah lol just on a trip to japan for janaury, mentioned it last thread lol
Steph and Cass can’t carry a thread to save their lives.
Cass’ character already ran out on steam in the 2000s, give the push to someone who actually needs it like Tim.
>>147148092lmao
>>147148092Instead of pushing these 3rd string Batman Family characters, why not push other characters as solo heroes?Black Canary, Zatanna, Doctor Light, Fire & Ice (i know I said solo but come on), Starfire, Raven, Bumblebee, Vixen, Crazy Jane, etc.
>>147148256Tim has more going for him than Cass desu.
>>147148369It’s been done with 95% of those. Ask yourself why you don’t remember it.
>>147148414A shitty solo from the Dcyou period is not a 'push'
>>147148401Lol, lmao, roflmao
>>147148414Define "push" for me.
>>147148401We already had Tim Drake: Robin and Tim in the current Batman run. They sucked and its time to move on
>>147148826This character has been around since ‘89, now you’re telling us just to forget him? But Puckett’s shitty waifu, nah she can stay, right?
>>147149122YeahBut seriously they've given Tim so many chances over the past decade (Young Justice, his own title, a big role in the main Batman title) and it's all been met with at best a shrug and at worst downright derision from readers. It's time to wait for someone to have a good idea to revitalize him and not just keep giving him shitty titles because "well he's been around since '89"
>>147149169>and it's all been met with at best a shrug and at worst downright derision from readers.You say like the writers and editors haven’t been playing hotpotato with the character since the 2000s. Having to wait for something to get better, is worse than not doing anything. Like Steph and Jason.
>>147144362>Steph can't really be Robin or Batgirl while there's already a "main" Robin or BatgirlNonsense, Tim is Robin while Damian is also already the main Robin and he's doing just fine!
>>147148369>ZatannaShe is getting a new book soon.It's a mini, but with the possibility of getting extended.
>>147149355I think Jason might be getting a new book soon, he recently showed up in one of those big crowd images with a bunch of heroes from current books, and he was one of the characters that didn't have anything announced at the time.Recently, some new books have been getting announced for some of them, like a new Secret Six with Deadshot and Jon Kent, and a new Supergirl book, it's probably only a matter of time until Jason gets something too.
>>147149378I really liked Red Robin for Tim. BRING BACK THE HEAD CONDOM!
>>147146696Kon wouldn't be the one getting cucked. He's taller, stronger and has a richer dad than Dick. Besides, he's rejected them both before.
>>1471494212024 was a bad time to be a Jasonfag, I don’t expect 2025 to be much better.
>>147149169Because they weren't good or what fans wanted.No one wanted Bendis anything by thenNo one wanted the writer who made him gay, with phoned in art by RossmoTynion tried, but it was a lesser verson of Pre-FlashpointTo use a comparison, it's like when Didio used sales of the Beechen Cass mini as prove Cass was washed.
>>147150252No matter how much Tynion would try, it would be garbage like the rest of his work.
>>147150252You forgot Zdarsky.
>>147150272>>147150319Tim was cursed with fans turned terrible writers.
>>147146805Cute.
>>147147599What? We've had monthly threads for them for years lol.>>147148369Bat stuff is more popular just generally. Save canary (who got popular due to a bat tie), Zatanna, starfire and raven the bat characters are way more popular just generally.>>147149765I do think the name worked in the reborn context but since then ehh.>>147149421he's getting in hush 2 desu.>>147149355Id def say steph isn't in the same situation as jason or tim who have guaranteed books with a bit of a cooldown, all are a bit aimless but it manifests differently and for different reasons.>>147148092If you mean the run that was written specifically to bury her as a character because the intent was to kill her off idk
>>147144362DC was close to making Babs Batgirl again. Both in 2009, and then actually in 2011. Don't act like two years represented some big change in Dan Didio's filthy mind.DC does non-safe things all the time. Like giving Damian and Duke series after series despite them not selling. Or giving Hawkman more than two years.I do agree that realistically Steph is the least popular of the three Batgirls right now. I simply don't think that it's some kind of set in stone or "natural" state.
>>147144362Forgot to mention that "no writers want to use her" - that's simply not true. Adams wanted to use her, and DC just turned him down like the morons they were. As we know from Tom King and Brian Bendis that writers pitch her all the time.
>>147151306>What? We've had monthly threads for them for years lol.THIS THREAD HAS BEEN ON FOR NEARLY A WEEK
>>147147599more like Robin and Babs assholes keep being assholes.
>>147151451The people in charge at DC have their clear favorites that they will push no matter how unpopular the characters are. Likewise they also have characters that they hate but can't get rid of because people actually like them.
>>147151459>Adams wanted to use her, and DC just turned him down like the morons they were.Anon, did you read the premise of Jeremy Adams' story? Steph would be the babysitter to child heroes, whom nobody cared about or asked for. Imagine going from a Batman character to that. This character was Batgirl at one point. It would have been a fall from grace.
Steph who?
>>147148369Black Canary has both a miniseries and the Birds of Prey title right now.
>>147151459>Tom KingA fate worse than death.
>>147151503That's what I'm trying to say. Steph is popular enough to keep surviving multiple attempts by editorial to destroy her. And she could be more popular if editorial stopped that.>>147151512I think Adams' pitch sounds really fun, as a huge fan of his Flash run and Steph (and how he used Steph in his Dark Crisis story). It would give her a team she was part of - perhaps even a senior member of - when the best she's been is "attached to Tim in a Young Justice Story" before. It would be great.>>147151619And yet his Wonder Woman run is selling better than the character has for a while.
>>147151651>It would be great.It would have been shit anon. It would be like Red Hood: The Hill all over again. Oh, you came for Steph? Well,you got to put up with these shitty child heroes. To think I had hopes for Jeremy Adams when he stepped up as Green Lantern's new writer, he's not even on the same level as Robert Venditti during his Hal and Pals run.
I wish we had gotten this
>>147151651His Jenny sparks shit is really bad so nah.
I propose to give tim and cass a shared book if they can't hokd their own. Maybe adding steph too.
>>147151816>give tim and cass a shared bookThe time to do that was when they were Black Bat and Red Robin
>>147151734Kara and Steph deserve better than to be shackled with Bruce's hellspawn and a bunch of nobodies.
>>147151512That pitch was pretty fun desu.>>147151734As was this.>>147151461I consider that positive? Its still alive!
RR and batgirl>>147151866It would have been kinda interesting in that era yea.
>namefag has shit tasteAs expected.
>>147151943Jaime and Virgil aren't nobodies
>>147151993What do you mean here?
>>147151986Jesus fuck did she kiss his forehead?
>>147151682You have no idea whether it would be bad or good. You just think it would suck because you're determined that everything Steph is bad right now.
>>147152456>You just think it would suck because you're determined that everything Steph is bad right now.I'm just basing it on what I know of Jeremy Adams after reading his GL run. I'd love for Steph to get a good run. But this? Canceled by the fifth issue.
>>147152536Which is why Adams has all his runs cancelled after five issues. Right.
>Aw man, poor Stephanie Brown, she hasn't been featured a lot these days despite being a major character back in the day... I KNOW! I should have her team up with a bunch of characters that literally nobody cares about, that will more people interested in her!
Steph's one true hope is a team book I think, but what team book?
>>147153019One with Jason, Tim, and fan-favorite Harper Row.
>>147152536His flash was good. And his gl is still going
>>147153028I'm afraid the other three would just drag down the sales compared to the sales juggernaut that is fan-favorite Harper Row.
>>147152022But they are. Upper D-list, maybe lower C if you want to be generous
>>147153069Steph needs stability if DC wants her to become a popular character again, the same is said for Tim and Jason. Therefore, if they need to ride on the coattails of Harper Row, so be it.
>>147153087Is this a bit?
>>14715312350/50. I'd love to see these characters do some back-to-basics, boots-on-the-ground crimefighting and detective work.
>>147146375High impact sexual violence.
>>147130747https://en.inkei.net/vagina/a/Jason_Todd!Harper_Row
>>147153642Cass looks checked out.
>>147153206The harper thing?
>>147154834Sex
>>147153973Babs is Oracle in this and Cass still isn't Batgirl.
>>147152383Yes
>>147156006I hope you're having a good trip, Cass Anon!
>>147156030Isn't that japanese?
>>147154652Sure.
>>147153973This season of WFA has been real bad for Cass. She basically does nothing but show up in a few panels here and there.
>>147156762I got the cass/kon reference, it peaked there
>>147151734It's always bad news
>>147156936Awww
Doneso
>>147157339Sex
>>147156030Thanks, i sure am!
>>147156762Momentum feels lost
>>147157824Its just trying to tell a serious story rather than neat character moments in slice of life siutations
>>147157899Which i dont think works super well
Never will be a fan of shared names, but I did get this idea recently, I feel its cool. Essentially bruce's kids "sharing" the bat mantle. I will def get steph and babs later, and maybe some other characters. There's maskless, full mask for all and aged up alt too
>>147157824Making this season a big Joker epic was a huge mistake. Now it's just a slightly lighter version of the main universe comics instead of wacky slice of life.
>>147157339
>>147158204I am still enjoying it, but I think the darkness and the length are mistakes for what WFA setup. I think they should have gone serialized with romance and work related plots, not a normal comics arc. Also they really are shafting Steph and Cass compared to the five boys, each of whom get big arcs. Not a hater, but more than a bit disappointed.
>>147157912Nice big hair Steph
Of course it's the Cassfags keeping slop like WFA afloat. I bet you're reading that Nightwing ass comic too.
>>147157932I agree!
>>147158340When the fuck has Duke gotten a big arc in WFA?I read it but I never see one.
500th post for Cass and Steph are best batgirls
>>147157912i want to shave steph bald
>>147159401He got the final two parter of season 2, several others in the first two seasons, and is a major character in the current We Are Robin arc of season 3.
>>147159422Nice!
