>indie animation will never succeed or replace corporate cartoons>meanwhile, indie animation
>>147104851>a bunch of literal who shit with one break out channel, one studio backed production, a big youtube channel and a meme zoomer autism video
>>147104927So instead of analysis through criticizing, suggest how we build better infrastructure.
>>147104851>monkey wrench
>>147105173HahahahaThis "thing" is disgusting
>>147104851Jeff Bezos is super indie.
>>147105173I miss when he was a worm.
>>147104851>shit wrench front and center while punch punch forever is pushed way to the backSoulless shill thread
>>147105173It's amazing how Monkey Wrench is both very well-known and also not popular at all.
>>147104851Is that chick putting Mayo in Coffee?
>>147104851>Indie animation will replace corporate animation Why? What's the point?Why do retards see the indie scene as some kind of progressive movement against everything wrong in capitalism? What caused this autism?By the way if that actually happens indie would become the new corporate or it would just means that corporate fails due to industry crash.
>>147105284Shes a porn character thats whole gimmick is she loves mayo(cum)
>>147104851I don't recognize most of these.>Psuedoreglia>Friday Night FunkinAren't these fucking video games?
>>147105453Friday Night Funkin kinda belongs because of its Newgrounds origins but I don't understand why Psuedoreglia is there
>>147104851>It's all waifufaggotry and kooky safe edgy horror slop.Truly animation is saved.
>>147105173Monkey wrench is only known on /co/, no one else watches it.
>>147105453>Psuedoreglia>Friday Night Funkin>Aren't these fucking video games?No :)
>>147105453Only a handful of these are actual animation. The rest are from webcomics and one is just a DA guy’s porn OC
>>147104851Putting Ed next to fucking BIKE KEKWay to piss on his grave holy shit lmao
>>147105483Ok what are they then
>>147104851How many of the creators of these shows have drama against each otherM
>>147105511It's software jokes disguised as videogames
>>147105534Pedantic fuckstain
>>147105470Mostly it's both
>>147105453The goat is also a video game
>>147104851Half of these aren't even animation
>>147105114You really can't because even the indie guys have created their own "circle" of people that only they prop up and help.>>147105341indie animation circles are just as elitist and prone to people wanting to be the "cool kid" at the table just like the actual industry circles do, as well as shilling any kind of slop their own work on. They can only thrive in their environment where them and their friends are the top dogs because the minute they have to actually compete against actual professionals, they can't do it. Being seen as "indie" is a crutch they have to rely on because most of them are pretty lazy and only do the bare minimum to get the status they have. They like the popularity they get from being seen as "indie" but don't have the discipline to go above that. At the same time being "popular" on the internet doesn't pay the bills so that's why so many of them shill plushies or some shit constantly. It's the only way for them to get any sort of financial gain without leaving their comfortable "indie" bubble and this they don't have to work as much but that lack of work ethic is why they'll never truly get anywhere. They also have to rely on their actually successful friends to give them handoutsI guess look at it this way, there's a reason Zach Hadel isn't really seen as an indie animator anymore but he's an actual professional with a successful show on his hands and I believe part of that has to do with the fact he went beyond just being an independent animator on the internet. He knew he had to be more than that to get to where he is now. None of these indie animators will get to where he's at because they don't have it in them to do so.
>>147105725They won't sell themselves to the rich to get more power and money and can continue to create animation that pays the bills and allows them to be popular and well known.And that's bad.
>>147104851where's the follow up where the star defenders show up and kill all of them in the name of space king?
>>147105763>and can continue to create animation that pays the billsmy point is that it really doesn't, which is why they have to prop each other up constantly including supporting actual corporate slop just because one of their friends worked on it. That and shilling plushies every couple of months when the money dries up or just outright scamming people through patreon or selling "lessons" to people for ridiculous prices. These are not the things a financially stable person would do>and allows them to be popular and well knownand that's the problem. Being well known isn't going to help you but indie animators get too high on being known in their circles and it keeps them from going any further. It causes a cycle of not getting anywhere but convincing yourself that you are but with nothing to show that you actually are just because every once in a while a thing you made got popularGoing back to my Zach Hadel example, it'd be like if Zach and Oney still rode on the coattails of Hellbenders being popular at some point and periodically made some shitty merch for it but they just did that forever while still basically being broke
>>147105763>They won't sell themselves to the rich to get more power and moneylmao they absolutely do if given the opportunityVivziepop and TADC literally did that
What the fuck happened to Ena? Is the videogame still in development hell?
I talked to a friend about indie games vs indie animation and I told him the problems with indie animation is that it's less sustainable and has shittier means of profitable distribution compared to games but alsoA. The standards are much higher for an indie cartoon. Indie games can get away with pixelshit and lowpoly but indie cartoons need to be at least television quality to sell a fucking pilot. Indie cartoons need a fucking pilot to pitch to people with larger pockets. Let that sink in.B. Indie animators (solely by my observation, correct me if I'm wrong) aren't usually from professional backgrounds compared to indie devs who have history working with larger studios before branching out or at the very least have a history of being a part of a team involved with game development period prior. Indie animators are more gung-ho to go indie from the get-go and it shows with how much drama occurs from mismanagement.How much of this is bs so I don't end up spouting more bullshit in the future?
>>147104851>no space king>no skibidi toilet
>>147106119Seems true to me. The lack of experience is a hinderance but has its upsides. Like the possibility of being more creative or innovative.
>>147104851>diives>greph>>147105825>shilling plushiesIf I hade a dollar every time a online artist started selling one, I'd build my own plushie factory
>>147105725That's why I firmly believe that Indie is cancer. Because people who pretend indie is some sort of new status quo who is better than everything else are just retarded, they are no different from other types of drones that follows a trend, but in this case is worse. These people think that indie is some sort of new industry standard not realizing that if an indie production starts to be produced by a fairly big studios that then becomes a company with investors and they start to even hair their show on platform like Netflix and such, it starts to become nothing like indie, but these people are just blinded by the fact that if something is capitalized indie or not it will eventually become nothing different than big corporate. Which is why these idiots midwit fag are just victim of capitalism twisted by propaganda, they just help a poor quality product being popularized for free in order for it to either become a corporate product or for just helping garbage having a period of pointless notoriety. Which is why I find these people retarded and cringe kids, rather than cool kids.
>>147104851cute art!
>>147105496The artist should be tarred and feathered for that alone
>>147104851All I see is a bunch of porn characters.Because that's the legacy most of these will have.
>>147104851Sybil is so hot
>>147105496>>147107811QRD?
>>147104851>ENA>peelo's doodles>Friday night funkin' (It's considered animation now?)>monkey's something, never watched it>glitch's teenage robo drama>glitch's waifubait show>imp show>Punch Punch Forever>montage's first independent thing>bike cuck (he animated now?)Tell me how did I go, /co/also who tf is the rest?
>>147104851Indie animation is high risk, but high reward for a small coterie of people.Corporate/studio animation is low risk, but low reward for a large pool of people.These are two different groups of people with different mindsets. One asks for infrastructure to be improved, while the other works outside of that infrastructure as much as possible. Neither makes sense to the other.
>>147104851uh let me think>monkeywrench>chickn nugget>pseudoregalia and yeah no idea what its actually called (game??)>purple goat game i forgot the name of (game???)>digital circus>hazbin hotel>ena (i would have written something with en but i saw the name already)>bike cuck>the cat show i forgot the name of>i thought that was fucking some cartoon reviewer but that is actually supposed to be eddsworld? wtf>fnf (game????)>sir pello characters or whatever he was called>murderdrones i thinkanything else no idea
>>147108028We should build new infrastructure then because the firms involved fucking suck.
>>147104851I'm in shock that Gwain Saga is on here, it's been well over 4 years since the last episode>Drawn by SpaicyOh, that makes sense
>>147104851It's always so cute when Monkey Wrench is shoehorned into indie animation club.
>>147105173I feel bad for the creator, it’s just that it’s so boring
>>147104851>putting bike cuck next to the Chad EdHow dare you make that comparison, also that goat kid and goat ass are from video games, not animations as far as I recall. Same with FNF guy.
>>147105278Truly the Tony Hawk of indie animation
>>147105173>called monkey wrench>isn’t about plumbers
>>147106172>No loona/helluvaboss
>>147110462Kill yourself loona simp
>>147110469Make me, and I’ll dox you, and kill you in Minecraft, faggot.What you gonna do? Turn into an Astro toilet?
>Like 10 different people talking about Monkey Wrench and being assravaged that it's on here>"noooo, it's not popular!!"">Proceeds to be one of the most talked about inclusionsWhat is it about Monkey Wrench that turns people here into total spergs?
>>147110938People have a hard time separating the art from the artist.I mean, I don't know what the artist did (and I don't really care)but from the few threads I entered that did discuss Monkey Wrench, people supposedly had issues with the guy.
>>147104851There is perhaps no better setting than a risk-free sterile "coffee shop AU" to display just how overwhelmingly feminine indie cartoons are. It's nearly all interpersonal drama and slice-of-life with bits of world building here and there. Where's the spirit in any of these shows? The machismo? The zeal? The sense of adventure?
>>147104851Shencomix is a comic, and Friday Night Funkin is a video game.
>>147104851shantae azul
>>147104851>Hazbin Hotel>indieI mean the pilot was, but... surely it's disqualified by now?
>>147104851>SpaicyAw fuck no
>>147107909Ed from EddsWorld named after the animator of the same name, Ed died of Cancer like 13 years ago. Eddsworld was one of the early big animated series on the internet so its kinda insulting to put him next to Bike C uck
>>147104851>drawing made by Loulouvz, aka SpaicyYeah she's clout chasing down bad here. Spaicy Meando.
>>147112786i mean, at least it originated independently.i can't say the same about Buzzfeed shill, Chikn Nigger.
>>147104851Christ, I think the monkey wrench guy and eddsworld are like the only ones here I don't actively want to go away. Why is indie animation so... that? Like EVERYTHING needs to stand out so we gotta have this tacky design, this thing that thing, this has to be jutting out, or it's the complete opposite where there's just nothing to the design or character whatsoever. Maybe I'm just being overly negative as I tend to be, but I don't like how indie characters fall into like 3 camps almost always. It's always anime girl, furry, or le wholesome chungus. Where the fuck is the ugly?
I don't watch any of these
>>147104851Half of these are video games, webcomics, or porn.
>>147114183>eddsworld are like the only ones here I don't actively want to go awaAnon.... Eds been dead for over a decade
>>147114570I know, but I remember other guys continued doing stuff in that style. Kind of weird he's even there really. (Or I think the guy in the green hoodie is meant to be him, anyways.)Say, why no space king, anyways?
>>147114588Flashgitzs is too toxic and not wholesome, meanwhile my big chungus porn animator is wholesome and safe.
>>147114532Spaicy is just throwing her darts in all directions to get attention. She needs it, after the Japan trip incident.
>>147105220Kek
>>147114610Oh right, I forgot my own point. Thanks.
>>147108982What would that even look like?
Indie animators have never made a good show
>>147114419
>>147115199>picNo, because my vote means absolutely nothing.
I'm noticing a distinct lack of a certain bathroom appliance here....
>>147105825This girl was only ever good for the magnificent feet art that was made of her self insert, came buckets to those cartoon latina feet.
>>147115266Blender?
>>147115402While that might save space for disposing of fecal matter, that wasn't what I had in mind.
>>147104851well has it?
>>147104851Why is bike cuck here?
>>147104851>half of the picture is porn or ecchi animations> the other half is reddit garbageuh huh
>>147105278The designs are pretty bad, I don't like watching either of the two main characters.
>>147115989Not him but what's bad about them? I want to talk character design. What's good and bad character design to you guys?
>>147104927>>147104851Its how Image comics started out though, many shitty style over substance comics who garnered fans and eventually they got succesful
>>147104851Most of them can't get past 5 episodes.
>>147104851Lou, you fucker, Spaicy is the one character using most of the space in the whole composition, you are not paying homage to no one but yourself, fuck you.
>>147104851>diivesI’m don’t wanna sound like a prude but don’t they just make porn?
>>147116440He does some sfw stuff too.But I mean his porn is fucking lit.
>>147116282It's obvious the pic was drawn by the creator of Spaicy LoulouVZ.The style is way to obvious. And who else would put the dolphin dog there anyways?It's not even a webseries.
>>147116540His porn is mid and for furfags
>>147117438It's better than your mom's onlyfans
>>147111364What do you want?
Although I can't say a lot of it appeals to me, from my point of view I would say that I see the quantity and quality of online animation increasing, and I'm happy for it. I don't know what kind of money is going on there, how sustainable these projects are, and I don't know if there's a lot of online cartoons seriously competing with network cartoons, but I'm happy to see these online projects growing. I have seen a bit of discourse about what is and what isn't indie, most of the time I would say who gives a shit? We don't need to get hung up on labels, just call them cartoons, or video games, and just judge them for what they are. And for the people complaining about style or subject matter, I hear ya, I'm there with you on some of these opinions, but at the same time some of you are annoying faggots, just worthless critics, go make something yourself and stop expecting other people to make things that cater to your tastes. I'm working on some creative project, and I'm hoping I can do more this year to promote or support other creatives.>>147105725I don't think you know anything. I don't think your idea of success matters and I don't think you know how hard people you don't know work. Yes, cliquey people can be annoying, I think plushies are dumb so I don't buy them, and scamming people is bad. Get off Zach's dick.
>>147105341>Why do retards see the indie scene as some kind of progressive movement against everything wrong in capitalism? What caused this autism?It's good to own the products you make.
>>147104851And Skibidi Toilet beat it all.
>indie animation thread>just a bunch of anons bitching and moaning about how other people are making things and have found fans and success in their projects>absolute butthurt that peoples' OCs are popular enough for plushies>"nobody likes these shows", you all say as you're talking about them and letting them live in your mindIt's okay to admit you're jealous of these people and still hate them, makes you less of a bitch if you own up to it.
>>147104851>Charlie from Hazbin>indieI know the 2020's have sucked royally so far, but that doesn't mean we should keep living in 2019 all the time. Because I don't care where or how Hazbin started, that shit is as far from indie as you can get at this point.
>>147104851>indie animation>it’s mostly anime wannabes
>>147111668I could see Shen eventually going into animation but I don't see it happening in the short term
>>147108982Who is we?What specifically needs to be "built"?Why aren't you already doing it?
>>147105173“Nobody cares” they say as they bump the MW thread to 400 replies and keep posting fanart online.Never seen The Dark Harvest get that much attention, yet apparently MW is the flop
>>147115177Wrong
>>147119234Hazbin hotel nor even helluvaboss is not an anime wannabe, at best its most likely a Disney wannabe
>>147105470One of those characters is from an /ss/ porn cartoon. How is that safe edgy when it can get you cancelled?
>>147104927And some porn characters for some reason
>>147105341The point? To see new things. Corporations keep rebooting the same IP because they don't want to take risks. Craig McCracken had multiple pitches rejected by Netflix, and he is forced to go back to work on Powerpuff Girls to still have a job.
>>147104851When did bike cuck make an animation
>>147104851>No Salad FingersHow can this artist forget such a classic internet cartoon?
>>147105725You sound like someone who tried their hand at the Indie scene, failed and now you're bitter about it>Complaining about Indies selling PlushiesI don't know what you're complaining about, anyone, corpo or otherwise sells Plushies and other assorted goods if their character is popular enough for that>Complaining about Indies propping each other upThat's how communities are formed, communities are good for keeping everyone afloat so a good thing can last longer. You can't make it very far with your dreams if you don't know a single person >>147110938>Zeurel, the creator, was vocally upset that his series isn't doing as well as he hopedThat's it, Monkey Wrench is middling but some anons really don't like it that Zeurel is openly upset about the state of his series
>>147104851>No Salad Fingers>No Neurotically Yours>No Sabrina Online>No I Can't Sleep>No Satina>No Sauria>No Bugbo>No The Earth Guy>No Humans-B-Gone!>No Skibidi Toilet>No Mad GodMissing a lot of indie productions. David Firth, Jack Stauber, and Lee Hardcastle have made some great stuff on their YouTube channels.
>>147123617If you look closely you'll notice this isn't an homage to indie productions but Lou looking for clout (most likely after she got cancelled).All those names you said are not clout worthy for Lou.
>>147123287It really does scream of jealousy. You don't have to buy plushies, they're there for people who are fans and wanna help the creator in exchange for a product. The complaints about the community just feel like this person saying "they didn't pay attention to me tho :(" and accusing them of being a clique. I don't think Zeurel handled the smaller audience of Monkey Wrench well, but people here hold it against him the same way a Twitter cancel mob holds grudges.>>147123643I never got an explanation to why Spaicy was cancelled. Care to spoonfeed me?
>>147123076Who are porn characters?
>>147104851Homestar Runner is better than these zoomer trash above
>>147104851There's an animated Skarpworld?!
>>>>Hazbin HotelHas been. It's just another corporate shitshow and Helluvah Boss will soon follow.
>>147111364Space King is thereNot into that? Well there's Dead Sound's indie cartoons that not many talk about for some reason.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98bD5WrMrc&list=PLZ5VEKOKH8PCCR6zSLEyRKvqYpuJ205-O
>>147104851>>147123617It's also missing>Erma>Tarboy>Lacey Games>Angel Hare>Scorchscape>Interface>Fandeltales>Super Science Friends>Confinement>Double King
>>147124118>TarboyIt still sucks that we never got a continuation. A videogame was planned but it got cancelled. Feels bad.https://youtu.be/ACHVwA1D8fE?si=aotZwiAUfVB5uwmR
>>147121161>as they bump the MW thread to 400 replieswith people mostly shitting on it lol
>>147111364Check out Mad God by Phil Tippett.
>>147124212>n-no you're just coping Shitting on it is still talking about it, watching it, being familiar with it, and supporting it.
>>147124221>and supporting itA 4chan post isn't supporting shit you retard.
>>147123287Nothing against about feeling disappointed that your show isn't doing great, but in the meantime, there are creators who wish they could even have a sliver of attention Zeurel even has nowadays. It's no wonder, pretty sure you've got animators working your ass to bring up a show like Monkey Wrench and in the meantime, everything else just gets more attention just because it has more conventional waifu bait and zany horror shit. At least there's good that comes from your own work not being acknowledged by common denominator audience, some of which is not having a absolute abhorrent cancerous fanbase for starters and even Gooseworx failing to keep the fanbase contained with the shipping shit or how Hazbin Hotel/Helluvah Boss fans always feel the need to treat Vivzie like a god. Meanwhile, you've got those who have a whole fucking story, characters and essentially a completed series but don't happen to be a animator nor even 5% of the attention everybody else has but chances are, your story has already been ripped off by someone who came with all the cash first.
>>147104851Imagine being Spaicy
>>147104851Who are all of these characters? I only recognize Punch Punch Forever, Hazbin Hotel, Murder Drones, The Amazing Digital Circus, Ena, and Monkey Wrench.
>>147124117>Dead SoundNow THAT is a name that should be more well known in /co/, Autodale is his most viewed work which is deserved but I prefer the dinosaur series more
>>147105453ANIMATED videogames chud
>>147104851Who is that behind Gerph's OC?
>>147124412That's Qper by PinkShonen. He stars in porn with surprisingly good action scenes.
>>147124212>>147124247Discussion is discussion, and if you wanna say its a forgotten slop then people would not talk at length about it, even if it's to say its "bad".
>>147124247>watching the show (giving it viewership) and then discussing it isn't supporting it>posting on 4chan and keeping a thread full of discussion about a show, thereby causing more people to find it and watch it, isn't supporting itYou're a statistic boosting the show, hope that helps.
>>147124270>but in the meantime, there are creators who wish they could...Right, it's jealousy, got it.
>>147104851Here's all the ones I recognized
>>147124521best way to resume post really. Can be a never ending cycle. Some creators' goals which seem already big enough for them is considered small by those who already reached it and feel aren't what they *think* enough for the effort made. I have seen cases of some creators hiding their work due to fear of it getting too popular in the wrong way. I already forgot that things' name, but the yellow blue haired OC thing someone did that steers into horror got so popular it overwhelmed the creator.
>>147124281isn't her a pedo?
>>147104851If Spaicy was truly desperate for attention she should had included Miss Circle from FPE to this too
>>147106097Turns out making vidya is harder than it looks
>>147124568WHO? girl is Vitzypie anon
>>147104851>counting Hazbin HotelLol, as if even
>>147114089Every artist chases others.
>>147124690Again, WHO?>inb4 twitter artistI dont use twitter
>>147124778https://www.youtube.com/@VitzyPie/shortsThis is her
>>147104851God, Shrike is SO fucking ugly. What were they thinking with Monkey Wrench?
>>147104851>Animation vs wasn't invited despite it's insane viewership numbersWhy is Alan skipped when people talk about Indie. He actually managed to turn his thing into a profitable and thriving thing
>>147124568So who is the person seething outside the window on the right?
>>147124568>(Bike Cuck)>PORNkek.
>>147119210This. Hazbin got taken up by Amazon. It's not indie anymore. It'd still be indie if, like Helluva Boss, it was produced independently without being bought out.
>>147104851I just really want Glitch to keep doing what they're doing for as long as possible. Their animation team is really impressive, and honestly their 3D animation puts a lot of major industry works to shame. Kino, I say.
>>147122027prove it
>>147123750The baristas
>>147104851Most of these aren't even animationHalf of these are pornOnly one of these is even noteworthy
isnt hazbin backed by amazon now?
>>147104851i dont know half of this things
>>147123739>I never got an explanation to why Spaicy was cancelled. Care to spoonfeed me?tl;nr the usual.Basically going to Japan using the money you asked to finish your comic, and entering a school there to harass children. She even got a new iPhone (again, with money her fans gave her to finish the damn comic) to record all that.There's also a bunch of Discord shit, but let's face it, if it's Discord, it's usually """grooming."""
>>147126101And Chikn Nuggit is Buzzfeed shill. This isn't about indie celebration, it's Lou clout chasing.
>>147124568>Shrike flirting with the porn furry gals because in-universe he's being chased by a furry galClever
>>147125271Indie works lack decorum. They all feel shamelessly unprofessional, and no I don't find that to be a strength.
>>147124568mf really put skid and pump near the porno people
>>147127243What the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>147127243Nothingburger sentence. Try elaborating. Many indie cartoons are "unprofessional". Many are professional and rival big industry productions you cuck. It's not all one single entity.
>>147127243for every "Mokey show" shitpost unprofessional indie animation there's a "Spooky Month" with actual respect and professional work put behind it.
>>147113611Yeah which irrc shen/bike cuck is just some loser drawing annoying loads of crappy tier webcomics that are only good when they’re used for memes, and that’s a hard given.Who even likes shen anyway?
>>147125143...Gonna be real, I forgot this had that.
>>147104851None of those are replacing corporate cartoons.
>>147104851I'm sure like 1/3rd of these are just random OCs.
>>147105278>well-known
>>147127243Okay smartass, why don't YOU make something professional then?
>>147114617qrd?
>>147111364this.I wish there was a dragon ball z of indie animation.
>>147128200I have candidates>Copyrighted: Mario Bros Z>Non-Copyrighted: Animator vs Animation
>>147127243Murder DronesThe Amazing Digital Circus LackadaisyMonkey WrenchSpooky MonthSuction Cup ManSo on and so forth. There's plenty of prpfessional tier and lower quality indie productions. The entire point of indie is that there's no regular standard. There's theoretically no upper limit apart from the support a series can garner.
>>147105114Two words:>Space King
>>147125271>>147128323Murder Drones is cinema. https://files.catbox.moe/oqddf5.mp4
>>147127856It is well-known. You post an image of the characters, most animation fans will recognize who they are. But almost none of them are fans.
>>147104851You just know this bitch doesn't care at all about indies when Sublo & Tangy Mustard isn't here.
So this is what /co/ntrarians are like. Y'all get what you ask for an you still complain.
>>147128909>doesn't know SpaicyYour lack of context isn't our problem.
>>147105470One of them is a porn artist too. I've never seen him do any "indie" animation. (the blue hair girl pouring mayonnaise in the coffee).
>>147104851Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, Popeye and Woody Woodpecker are still kings.Whats in OP's picture isn't even SpongeBob levels of big.
>>147128323I don't really like how umhinged yet tame it all feels. Like sloppy design that just feels like things 13 year olds sketched out. Something about indie animation, especially by Glitch, has this feeling of "I really want to come off imaginative but I haven't had enough time to really think about what that is". So you get this weird juxtaposition. Best metaphor I can think of is a novice architect making a really elaborate and abstract building but neglecting to make solid supports and foundations. Indie animation feels lopsided. It doesn't have to be "normal" but it doesn't need to work so hard to be "special" either. It lacks any dignity.
>>147129203This is nonsense. You can just say you don't like it or it's not for you instead of coming up with vague, wishy-washy subjective criticisms. You just come across like a self fart-inhaling faggot with a chip on his shoulder.
>>147129515Yeah yeah, I struck a nerve by using the wrong words, kill yourself if you don't like it. It's true. Indie cartoons are made very often by people who are good at like 1 thing and suck at most everything else at the helm. They're comrpised of teams that are so obsessed with being "different" that they can't help but make art that feels desperate. >inb4 what does that even meanIt means art that's trying to be like part of this lame ass internet cult of friendy friends we have on the internet where the top 1% of internet faggots reside. They all want in on that fandom club and it comes off super obnoxious. I want art that crushes the standard, not slop that's just well animated. I don't care if Tex Avery himself drew it, if the story sucks, and the designs and characters are retarded, it sucks. Plain and simple.
>>147129583You're either a jaded old man or a genuinely retarded contrarian shitting on new things for being popular and being considered good. If anyone needs to kill themselves here, it's you.
>>147129670Well too bad, I'm not going anywhere and there are plenty of people like me. Like it or not, that's the underlying reason these teams and creators get hated on. They feel cringey and gay. You can smell the anxious nerd fluids seeping out through the screen. And I'm 24. >popular>goodNot one Glitch production that is genuinely both. Popular =/= good and vice versa. Sorry for not being autistic I guess.
>>147129583you talk like an obnoxious little bitch that feels personally scorned by indie animation (probably some kind of failed project, or kicked out of one) so now you complain and accuse them of being creatively bankrupt - especially the extremely successful ones that many people praise especially in the creativity and unique style department like Glitch's shows.your impotent seething will never stop being funny.
>>147129733Debunked.
>>147129746Meh. You sound more offended than I am mate, I gave an opinion and you and your pal here are the ones who got upset. Anyways TLDR, you're gay.
>>147129733>Not one Glitch production that is genuinely bothBet you're some faggot hipster that unironically thinks Meta Runner was good and shits on newer shows like Murder Drones and TADC because they are both massively better and higher quality shows and are infinitely more popular and remembered. You're going to keep coping forever while Glitch's shows are remembered as being great.
>>147104851I don't know what it is about me, but it pisses me off to see 90% of the shows there. With the exceptions being Spookymonth, Eddsworld, and maybe Monkey Wrench. I don't even have anything against most of them, and I try my best to be open minded and I wanted to like Murder Drones, but they just give off this cringe inducing frustration I can't quite put my finger on.
>>147127243>>147129203>>147129583>>147129733>>147129767The “professional” industry art in question
>>147130278Things that indie animators are missing out by not moving to California and paying 200k a month>Awful reboot of 80s/90s franchise with none of the original creators involved >Beanmouth kids cartoon>Family Guy/Rick & Morty-esque adult comedy >Fake anime where the characters say “fuck“ and “shit” every five seconds >>147123107When old guard animators like McCracken or Maxwell Atoms tell you the industry is shit now and not worth joining, believe them. Don’t be a doormat for LA writers and hacky comedians
>>147104851all shit
>>147130124It's kino that's not going to be for everybody.
>>147130305Meanwhile... In Japan.>Lolis who drop anvils/pianos/safes on bad guys along side dropping anvils/pianos/safes on an Brazilian Bart Simpson knock off and a So-Cal girl who bullys a nerd.>Puppy like kids who live in a water tower.>Blue and pink rabbits who go on adventures.>Rich Scottish Ducks.>Bears named after candy.>An inspector with alot of gadgets.
>>147130278Oops, sorry, wrong picture.
>>147130124>exception of>monkey wrenchDogshit opinion discarded, catergorized as a shit taste retard.
>>147130491I haven't actually seen monkey wrench and I gave them an exception cuz it didn't look like they were doing the same cutsey/waifu shit the others were.
>>147115199How are any of them politics though?
>>147104851This might trigger people here but this video honestly explained the west vs east animation problem much better than I ever could understand it on this site, and I'd argue makes it more clear why indie even exist the way it does todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhiLGSAAfZQ&ab_channel=LextoriasI'd give it a watch if you're interested.
>>147111364Manly artists who make manly art would rather make games than shows/movies, simple as that.
The thing about Indie animation is that there's a ton of it, all with varying themes, styles, stories, music, and characters. Cherry picking these specific shows and saying they represent Indie animation as a whole is dishonest. Three of the characters here are from video games btw, don't know why they are here
>>147105725>>147105763Poop posts.
>>147111364Look, Popeye was cool, but I don't need WWI/WWII/WWIII to make good cartoons. My favorite animations has zero war relation to it.
>>147118964They'd be supporting them if they were maga men products instead of women, that's literally always why these threads turn to shit.Literally, all it would take is wacky animal people with guns and bimbo gfs in that image and boom "indie is le based n shiet now".
>>147104851Where's Skibidi Toilet?
>>147127243Your idea of professionalism sounds like Elon Musk slop. The opposite of what made Disney great a century ago.
>>147128264No. These aren't the same. You're only saying this because of the tone, not the culture. No one from those are original or relatable enough to be iconic.
>>147129203I'm 100% certain this is a bitter Disney ex employee still seething over Pixar being literally described as this very "unwarranted appraisal" angle you're going on about but with indie.
>>147104851>Smiling friends nowhere to be foundHaha chuds btfo
>>147104851>70% coomer stuff
>>147131264how is it indie?
>>147131306How is Hazbin Hotel indie?
>>147115177I can think a few that are actually good.
>>147131363Namely Homestar Runner.
>>147127081Kara mi amor
>>147131360It isn't, nobody thinks it's indie. The artist of OP's pic is just somewhat retarded.
>>147104851>no Metal Family>no Onegezellig >no Flashgitz stuffThis picture is less "indie animation" and more "animation for pussies"
>>147130949World War II or war, in general, make up less than 10% of Popeye's franchise or brand identity. The series is more focused on being a slice-of-life with high-energy fights woven throughout, with little to no mention of war.
>>147129138Well to be fair no one really thinks anyone in OP's picture well ever be remembered long after the fact, culturally relative, or important as any of those guys.
>>147128359One word:>mid
>>147116197Only like 3 guys got successful though and it's not like they really stuck to their "indie" roots>Todd made Spawn to be as marketable as possible and created a multi-media empire around the character while screwing over other creators>Jim Lee went back to DC anyway and became another soulless CEO of the company>Liefeld had to spend decades being a laughing stock before getting proper royalties and a good life with Deadpool when the movies came outIt really does seem like with the exception of a few people, you truly due become a soulless corpo person
>>147118285>I don't think your idea of success matters and I don't think you know how hard people you don't know work.Lmao I personally know some of these people and they really are that lazy. They barely draw a few things a month and expect the same payout as someone who draws every day like Zach Hadel. A lot of them let their e-clout get to their heads and assume they've "made it" when they barely make ends meet. They absolutely want to be the next big thing but don't have it in them to actually.work harder so that's why they're stuck in the indie circles stillPlus a lot of them have boyfriends/husbands that pay for everything so they get to spend all their time doing whatever the fuck
>>147118964>a bunch of slop no one really cares about>"ERMM STOP SAYING IT'S BAD AND JUST CONSOOM"A lot of these projects are contributing to why things are so shit, stop giving them a defense just because they're not made by some companyIndie shit can be just as bad as corposlop
>>147123287>>147123739As someone who actually interacts with these circles, you don't know what you're talking aboutIndie types are still just as cliquey as LAfags that prop up shitty cartoons because their friends worked on them. A lot of them don't really even see each other as friends, just people they can use to have careers. They've literally ignored people until they made something that went viral and just use them for favors.Again bringing up Zach, he's complained about this exact thing before. A lot of these people are just asskissers that just want to latch on to the people that are actually successful so they can ride their coattails forever instead of actually making something people will like. That's also not getting into how they scam people with online "lessons" and overcharging at conventionsThey're not forming genuine communities of people, they're just creating an unstable network just like the all the LA animators that went on strike because they weren't getting laid to do the bare minimum
>>147129746Lmao holy fucking madIndiecels are seething
>>147104851The fact Salad Fingers isn't in this picture is insulting.
>>147124568is porn really that relevant in indie animation
>>147134301I mean, there's so much stuff missing here anyway. Old stuff like Homestar and Homestuck Runner, non-cute stuff like Flashgitz, foreign stuff like Metal Family and Onegezellig.By the way, who the fuck is this?
>>147134403Whoops, forgot pic
>>147134303animated porn NEEDS to be good for it to profitable
>>147134509Or cater to a very specific fetish. I remember seeing some paysite many ages ago selling extremely low-quality images (we're talking child doodles in graphics editor) for a very specific fetish. Not sure if it was actually profitable or its owner was just delusional, though.
>>147130949The short you're responding to (Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor, 1936) has nothing to do with either World War.
>>147131387>>147127081They will fuck>>147127243You people say this and then call animated shows from multimillion-dollar companies "calarts" and shit like that. You really wanna tell me Primos looks better than Monkey Wrench?
>>147104851>no space king>no madness combat>no skibidiinto indie animation my fucking ASS
>>147134733>madness combatOh fuck, I was thinking I'm forgetting something.
>>147134733This was drawn by a literal woman, of course she wouldn't things that appeal to MEN
>>147134733that's because this is indie animation for mentally ill teenage girls, not indie animation for mentally ill teenage boys like what you said and super mario bros z
>>147131040>No one from those are original or relatable enough to be iconic.>Animator Vs Animation(you) are so full of shit.
>>147131392>"animation for pussies"Yet you proposed Metal Family, one of the gayest shit i've watched. Sure.
>>147134878>that's because this is indie animation for mentally ill teenage girlsa quarter of it is porn
>>147135022It's literally from a country where it's literally against the law to be gay and LGBT is literally considered a terrorist organization. It's literally about a family with kids, it is literally made by a married couple and there's literally one dyke characters who creators themselves literally hate. It's probably the least gay indie animation today. Even Space King has gay character among the main cast.
>>147135054who said girls dont masturbate
>>147135075Are you trying to sell me the gayest shit? 'cause damn all that sounds gay as fuck. Fitting as that show is gay as fuck.
>>147104851>not a single one of the is able to present a meaningful story.
>>147130417Bias Japan.
>>147111364>Where's the spirit in any of these shows? The machismo? The zeal? The sense of adventure?it's called skibidi toilet
>>147134303It is. Animated porn from the west is an untapped market by corporations. They do not follow the success of Japan.
>>147132395>>147134675You're a tard on purpose, the very core image of a SAILOR like him is heavily based on the navy aka the wars at the time. The concept of his very humor and character is all based on how men at war life was like out at sea and what they had to put themselves through just to get by. You can't really strip that out of the IP's formula without losing a lot that makes him iconic to the time period he came from.Stop acting smart. Without an active war, kids have no connection to his appeal outside of funny animation and the fighting that only could be compared to the likes on anime today.
>>147135218I get it. You are a Redditor who are trying to make the word "gay" completely meaningless by applying it to unrelated things. Let me make a concrete definition - "gay" is when two people of same sex are pretending to have "relationship". Show is considered "gay" when it encourages such fake and fruitless relationships. Therefore, Metal Family cannot be considered gay. By the way, this definition is objective, waterproof, widely agreed-upon and made of stainless steel, so don't even try to move goalposts here.
>>147135002The average normie does not know what that is. I do, you do, because we are terminally online neets.
>>147135340Whats successful in Japan are family shows like Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan, otaku slop that airs at 3AM does not get that type of traction.
>>147104851why is bike cuck there?what's the criteria to be in this picture?i see more than half in this picture comes from indie animations (old and recent) some are from videogames (i believe they might have some animation in it) so my guess is this is a picture dedicated to indie projects (regardless in their success) in general but why is bike cuck there? that's from a webcomic and there's quite a ton that exist and afaik it is not animated, the one who would be in xer place could be odd1sout if we are going for animations
>>147135402There is none; it’s algorithm bait.
>>147135402Gerph is here too I believe it too only exists as a comic. And there's no Freedom Planet despite being an obvious fit. I guess the criteria is "whatever the artist likes".
>>147104851>no meatcanyon (melvin would be the pick)>porn characters but no zone-tan>no salad fingers>no charlie the unicorn, or the llamas with hats, or norwell & an ensouled coat>no felix coolgrave rep>no marcel the shell with shoes on>"indie"most is all just seperated-by-one-degree SU, OH, or Amphibia clones.And you just know the only reason edd is there is because whoever drew this grew up on watching/creating homoerotic eddsworld animation memes which are based pic unrelated
>>147135533I think thats the problem I mentioned in >>147130124It's all cutsey/waifu shit. Nothing really hardcore/cool or expirimental. Unlike the ones in that picture I enjoy those guys without cringing for no reason so maybe thats my issue. Eddsworld and Spookymonth is alright though.
>>147104851I watched lackadaisy, it was okay at best. Idk why its so hyped up.
>>147135684It is based on a webcomic that has gorgeous art but updates fucking never.
>>147135684The comic has really good art and has a dedicated fanbase, also it was advertised as being real frame-by-frame animation, you can even see the construction lines and was done intentionally.A little out of pocket but it's sad to me that an animation being actually animated and not a series of puppet rigs is considered impressive and innovative
>>147135770We live in the times where even Disney has to bring out from retirement their animators if they want to make proper 2d panimations again.That Lackadaisy did so despite being an indie production makes it understandably notable among the indie space.
>>147135347What are you on about? Popeye has no strong connection to the Navy. At best, pre World War II, he briefly worked as a Coast Guard member, but his core identity is that of a sailor. While sailors and the Navy are related, they’re not interchangeable. Yes, during World War II, Popeye’s image became heavily tied to that era, but once the war ended, so did that association.In the comic strips, there’s no mention of Popeye enlisting or joining the Navy. The late 1940s and 1950s shorts had nothing to do with war, despite the Korean War happening at the time. Similarly, the cartoons and comics from the 1960s never mentioned the Vietnam War or depicted Popeye as being in the Navy. This pattern continues across all his adaptations.The only people who hold "Navy Popeye" close to their hearts are actual Navy sailors or soldiers, which makes sense. But the average joe or kid don't see him that way. The comic strips rarely, if ever, mention the Navy, and 99% of the cartoons focus on his everyday adventures as a sailor. War was never part of the character’s original vision when Segar created him or when subsequent creators adapted him.
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>>147136165>kick out spaicy>still leaves the literal who Vitzypieadd chestnut from space king if you can, hes like the most tolerant out of the squad to hang out in this gay cafe
The OP was trash, but this whole thread could have been about online animation, instead it's been focused on the shitty OP image. >>147133059I don't care about these people you claim to know with this e-drama bullshit. I'm not trying to be these people's friend, stupid is stupid, and if I think someone is too lazy that they're not getting the work done to my satisfaction, I'm not going to give them money or attention. You don't know everyone making content and not everyone making content needs to be Zach Hadel. >>147133105Anon, get out of these circles, try focusing on people you like.
>>147136165Toilets should be wiping that degeneracy.
>>147136165if you're gonna keep any w*men in that picture please make them all pregnant. It's politically important.
>>147136165 Actually getting good anon! can you perhaps, try replacing some of the other irrelevant ones like vitzypie with someone like chestnut and sneak in hatemonger somewhere? also replace bikecuck with someone like hank from madness or a asdf movie character since it would be more respectful for edd.
This shit is all ass.
>>147136165If charlie from hazbeen can be there, why can't smiling friends?
>>147136165based skibidiGOD>>147136793tsmt
Why is it always girls
>>147135347>sailors only exist during war>sailors only have a reputation for belligerence and rowdiness during waryou are so fucking goddamn stupid.
>>147137846>>sailors only are releven during warFixed, nigmutt.>>sailors only have a reputation for belligerence and rowdiness during warYes. Compared to Army Men, who actually matter and went through hell and trama, which is why they are depicted far differently to navymen.
>>147138075
>>147135889Retired Navy anon here. Popeye is the unofficial mascot of the Boatswain's Mate rate. It's considered in poor form to use Popeye-related imagery if you're not one. Fun fact: despite his appearance, Donald Duck officially retired from the Army in the '70s. The breakdown is as follows for branch representation in cartoons:Navy - PopeyeArmy - Donald DuckMarine Corps - Bugs BunnyNational Guard - Daffy DuckCoast Guard - Also PopeyeKeep in mind, the Air Force didn't exist when those cartoons were made.
>>147134601Okay I'll bite. What's a very specific fetish that isn't catered to and is guaranteed to have a whale who will pay me to animate it? I need to pay bills. I'll make the goofiest possible shit if I have to.
>>147138764Interesting. Also, I'm surprised that Donald is Army and not Coast Guard seeing as he dresses up like a sailor.
>>147136873Smiling Friends didn't start as an indie production, nimrod>b-but Zack did indie animation for yearsWell yeah but not Smiling Friends. Hazbin got picked up because of its indie pilot, not because Vivzie knew people at a network.
>>147104851Somehow all of these are garbage.
>>147104851All these shitty characters scream "quirky Twitter OC", none of this (Eddsworld aside) feels organic whatsoever and just reeks of terminally online meme-fueled attention whorery
>>147139922Yeah I said that earlier and got called a "contrarian" for it anon, welcome to the party. I think it can be boiled down to these three rules, a "shitty internet artist code of ethics", if you will.>I must make something special, ergo it must not be like any other thing, and the way to do that is to throw out any and all subtlety or practicality. If your cast looks like a mural made by a clown vomiting his breakfast onto a wall, you've done it right.>Yet at the same time, it must not be so unique that it offends, so it must still be derivative of something else popular, like Undertale, Adventure Time, Five Nights at Freddy's or Hentai. After all, we can't have anything actually interesting and not cliche happening.>I, being the genius that I am, must explore deep themes to give my work merit. Because I'm a sheltered nerd with no life, let's talk about depression, and cosplay as legitimate dramas despite our premise being absurdist in nature. Let's write about philosophy without having read a single book about it nor really suffered a day in our lives. And viola, now you're ready to make an indie series.
>>147104927>one studio backed productionpunch punch forever?
>>147140090hazbin hotel you nincompoop
>>147104851Look at all those rich kidsWouldn't last a week in a third world country
>>147104851The indie industry is like this because AAA companies have declined quite a bit, especially Warner Bros.
>>147140722This isn't fucking /v/ "AAA Companies" dont apply in cartoons
>>147140876>"AAA Companies" dont apply in cartoonsWhat do you mean? So can you explain to me the 3000 reboots that Scooby Doo and Tom and Jerry have?
>>147140903AAA = high quality = high frame rate (24FPS) and high detail.Modern animation isn't AAA.
>>147140926and how do I have to refer to the "non-indie" animations?
>>147104851WHERE SKIBIDI
where are the wacky lesbians
>>147140391Would you?
>>147141229>>>/u/
>>147141229What do you mean they're fucking everywhere
>>147140926virtually nobody animates on ones what are you talmbout
>>147141229Isn't the bitch from Habbo Hotel one?
>>147141275Not anymore, they did in the 30s and 40s however.
>>147141624those were on twos and threes as well. not even milt kahl drew that much on ones. richard williams drew on ones though
>>147141799Late 40s and 50s were on 2s.
>>147130124It's mostly just furries and waifus or both. ENA is one of the few indie animations that is actually pretty interesting from a visual and experimental lens. Nearly all of these things outside of ENA are pretty characters with fucking atrocious scripts and sometimes really bad voice acting. I mean, we've always had an independent animation scene for decades now. There are still a shit ton of short films I saw in festivals that I still can't find on any platform 10+ years later. But this is like, some new wave of indie. They wanna be independent, but also still make money. Makes sense, but they're using the same mass appeal and merch trappings as a major studio. They hit all the popular checkboxes to reach max audience possible and like, that kind of defeats the purpose of being independent, doesn't it? Because you're still kinda being slave to the test audience. I've seen college shorts that are vastly more interesting than Digital Circus or Monkey Wrench. Pic related blows out almost everything in OP's pic. Not sure why Shen is there, I don't recall him having a series. I feel like that should be replaced by Litterbox Comix since that has an upcoming pilot.
>>147141861show me some 30s and 40s animation done on ones youre probably wrong
>>147134303Its vital that the porn in animation to be great so there's a following willing to throw thousands of dollars so they can satisfy their masturbation choices
>>147106231They're perfect for fleshlights
>>147134403Homestuck hasn't been indie for decades
>>147141955He thinks rubberhose animation counts when the trick with that shit was every single action was a loop of like 8 total unique frames per action. It was like a video game back then, that's why shit like Cuphead was conceptionally possible.It's easy to make fluid shit if the only thing you have to do is do ping pong movements which isn't realistic in todays expectation of body motion.
>>147142796It started as indie, though. Same logic as including Vivzie in this pic.
>>147142802even rubberhose was on twos
>>147142889Budget rubberhose was on twos, those with proper budgets were on 1s.
>>147143041like what
>>147143054NTA but using 1's was very popular for Fleischer cartoons.https://youtu.be/LQRlwqFbAvE?si=4kzidOVs_8wHRk0shttps://youtu.be/VFWzzptHJ58?si=ID8NYmK661n3egdxhttps://youtu.be/9UJphNPwDfk?si=Uyj7bPGRsrJndFQTDisney also swapped between using 1's and 2's. https://youtu.be/TlnjrEfwKlE?si=49b8DQ7mhfxYMck7https://youtu.be/CKDICvM9_I0?si=svtqPLAAjWjHqznshttps://youtu.be/dihJ1w48Jh0?si=oQbgN45URS6fgXTPYou can watch any of these frame-by-frame with the , and . keys and see it.
Where has Zach talked about the bullshit that goes on in indie circles?
Where's Skibidi Toilet?
>>147141927>There are still a shit ton of short films I saw in festivals that I still can't find on any platform 10+ years later.Could you tell me about them?Last week I was combing through old animated shorts way back when. It feels nice seeing all those older art styles. I kind of miss those handpainted backgrounds that some I saw had.
>>147144097Right here ||V>>147136165
>>147104851grim/
>>147104851Why the fuck is Gerph there?
>>147145862Hanging out with her friends, Diives and that guy who complains that no one watches his SFW stuff. Better question is - where's Cyancapsule rep?
>>147141927I remember having my teacher show “there’s a man in the woods” on the smart board for my class years ago, good times
>>147104851>Gerph, PinkShonen, and Diives are represented>No ZoneLame
>>147141229It has a cartoon?
