Look everyone its the iconic X-Men cast!
>>147117465….and Beast.
Does beast actually benefit from having his hands and feet exposed instead of wearing boots/gloves?
>>147117474Ironically enough, he is one of the ones with the most exposure.
>>147117465I still want an 05 movie..
>>147117550But then... how would we make wolverine?
>>147117567Have him kidnapped by Sentinels and break his way out. A mutant that no one else knows and he disappears into the night.
>>147117465hairless beast underrated fr
Wheres Wolverine?
>>147117624the "modern" X-men, if you can call them that 40 years later, were the all-new, all-different X-men first shown in giant size X-men issue 1it is impossible to think of a world without wolverine in it now, but wolverine was just the "tough guy" of the group at first, introduced as a transplant from alpha flightthey actually didnt know what to do with wolverine at first and considered killing him off, only saved at the last minute when they decided thunderbird was even blander
>>147117492His feet are prehensile, having both free help him to do his acrobatics better.
>>147117465Poor Angel and Iceman just never could cut it, huh? Angel is Archangel on and off and they shoved a cock up Iceman's ass.
>>147117567Second movie. Just make Storm, Kurt, Colossus, and Logan show up saying "ah, we have new members". Then recruit the other x-men people give a shit about: Rogue, Gambit, Psylocke, Jubs.
>>147117870The one thing that can salvage their reputation now is a good movie, which I'm sure we aren't gonna have while Feige is in charge.
Beast was better off as an Avenger
>>147117465WINGMANMILKERTHE VISORPINK LIGHTNINGAND MANRILLA
The only person I recognize is Cyclops but he's dressed like a weiner.
>>147117465Shit tier.
>>147117896He was better off nowhere because he and both teams are shit.
>>147117465With comics so ass that everyone just tells you to begin at Giant-Size
>>147120194
I sometimes wonder if the old outfits can still work today.>>147117621Oh yeah like when we saw in O5 a lot,>>147117844Like general acrobatics? And is beast more like a chimera sort of thing before even turning full animal?
>>147117812>they actually didnt know what to do with wolverine at first and considered killing him offThen a hail mary put him up against ninjas and a star was born.
>>147117465Beats niggers, blue people and Canadians
>>147120490>steals from Daredevil>succeeds
>>147120490The "star was born" moment came earlier than that, starting with that chapter of the Dark Phoenix Saga with the "now it's my turn" ending, followed by him taking down a squad of goons and implicitly killing them. It was later revealed they'd survived, but he was already a star by then.IIRC Claremont was planning to kill Logan, but Byrne didn't want to kill Marvel's first Canadian superhero and argued for making him cool instead.
>>147120477>And is beast more like a chimera sort of thing before even turning full animal?In a way. There was focus on his ape-like qualities and simian athleticism even pre-serum, but it got cranked up even more after he got hairy.
>>147117870>they shoved a cock up Iceman's assThey've always been homo
>>147120647This haphazardry is very apparent when reading it. It's not a good comic.
>>147121516Beast was the homo one Scott just undid it with his anti-gay ability
>>147123063holy based
>>147123222Incredible, Scott and Jean have opposite powers.
>>147120490Claremont is a dumbfuck hack. Byrne and Miller made Wolverine a legend.
>>147120647It feels so quaint looking back to when a handful of dudes was considered a threat and he couldn't just regenerate from bone marrow.
>>147117465I actually do wish we got more X-Men adaptations with the original members
I really love that one episode of Evolution were it was all the O5
>>147117465Look everyone it's an iconic X-Men cast!
>>147117465Team never really had a strong tough guy. Seems like a brick of some kind of needed for any hero team.
>>147126480I want to see a O5 team depicted as actual teenagers though. They all looked like the same age adults as the rest of the Marvel heroes at the time.
>>147126815Do Nightcrawler and Colossus really need the masks? There are not a lot of blue fuzzy and metal guys walking around.
>>147126815Who is the middle dude alongside banshee?
>>147127759It was beast but he moved away from the role, Colossus replaced him.
>>147117899These are baller, actually Dubs confirm
>>147127795Wolverine, dude. It's the giant sized crew.
>>147126815Banshee could never keep up with the rest.
>>147128287True>t Bansheebro
>>147126815THE VISOR (again)DYE-JOBMANBOTBLUE SQUITGRUMPand THE PIPE
>>147117474Bitch, please. Iceman and Angel are way less iconic than fucking Beast.
>>147128448>DYE-JOB>MANBOTThese ones are winners
>>147126815It's funny because some of them did wear modified versions of these outfits later.
>>147126480they showed up in the 90s showthey were the "first" X-men, the precursor to the jim lee team thats used for the show, complete with the yellow costumes
>>147120232Hardcore X-fags pretend 1960s X-Men is awful, but while it's nowhere near the best of Silver Age Marvel, it's hardly unreadable unless you hate 60s Marvel in general. It has it's moments and it's charm. The argument always seems to have less to do with quality than it does to do with Wolverine not being there yet (or the other 70s additions to the cast that people pretend are good, and better than the 60s characters), or it not having really developed the 'core themes' that don't really become a thing until the 80s, outside of a few occasional isolated moments. If you ignore 60s AND 70s X-Men you can pretend it really was always meant to be a metaphor, and you can pretend Magneto was never really a bad guy, too.
>>147128604>If you ignore 60s AND 70s X-Men you can pretend it really was always meant to be a metaphor, and you can pretend Magneto was never really a bad guy, too.Magento is so geuinely retarded early on that it's comical how much he was saved by better writers.
>>147117624The OG X-men was those 5. The book was cancelled and became a reprint book due to low sales. (There was a slight sales boost near the end with Neal Adams/Roy Thomas.) Marvel had expanded sales overseas and decided to give the book another chance with a diverse internationalist approach. They bought characters previously introduced in other books such as Banshee (Irish), Sunfire (Japanese), Wolverine (Canadian) whilst introducing a bunch of new characters, Colossus (Russian), Storm (Kenyan), Nightcrawler (German), Thunderbird (Native American) with Cyclops also returning. Sunfire refused to join the team and Thunderbird was killed off a few issues in because they felt his powers were samey/boring.>>147128604Some of it is alright. I think people mostly say to start with Giant Size X-Men because it is a "cleaner" starting point to then go onto the Claremont run.
>>147128780>They bought *brought in
>>147127783Yeah sort of a return to roots with the O5 X-Men being teenagers or college-aged.
>>147128815…and Beast.
>>147128767>savedNot the word I'd use to describe it. We were better off with him as a bad guy, instead of the entire history and narrative of the books rewriting itself to pretend he wasn't. Even if he was sometimes a retarded bad guy.
>>147128884The real problem was when the writers drank the flavor aid, and turned the X-Men in its own bubble.
>>147128884I've heard this argument a few times before on /co/ and it often ends up quite autistic. I don't think the narrative of the books rewrote itself, I think it more did a classic comics trope of downplaying his past, which to be fair, every single superhero ongoing has done too and you can't take everything as canon for that reason. Otherwise we end up in "why hasn't a cop just shot the Joker" type territory when you take all of his plans as canon. As soon as Magneto turned back into a villain the books quality became all over the place.
>>147129121It's not just "downplaying his past", it's pretending he was some kind of freedom fighter acting to protect his people from oppression, even though nobody even knew what a mutant was before his first attack, and he clearly just wanted to rule the world, and didn't have any regard for other mutants except as henchmen. It's eventually led to some writers trying to pretend mutants were so oppressed and persecuted before Magneto's first attack, even though it's also still canon that the world doesn't learn about mutants until that attack.>As soon as Magneto turned back into a villain the books quality became all over the place.You can't blame the quality of the entire line of books on Magneto reverting to being a villain, when what you're actually talking about was creative turnover of writers.
>>147129182>You can't blame the quality of the entire line of books on Magneto reverting to being a villain, when what you're actually talking about was creative turnover of writers.Out of the problems, what didn't start in the 90s, started around Morrison's era.
>>147128884Nah, OG Magneto legit felt like he had brain damage and was fucking retarded.
>>147129202>Morrison's era.You're meant to stop reading before you get that far.
>>147129233Morrison did write the best ending for Magneto in that run, though. That’s why most fans still consider that his canonical death.
>>147129288I'd take Wolverine killing him at the end of the previous run as the canonical death AND the ending of X-Men.
>>147129182I've heard these arguments before I know this will go no where. I was talking about the meta issue. Look, comic book ongoings change stuff all the time because creative teams change, they are ongoing soap operas and are never fixed. Yeah, you can't rectify all canon, it cannot be done, you explain stuff away. A canon should never be so loose nothing matters or so strict nothing can happen. Claremont's run was pretty good comics, it really wasn't perfect, it was often carried hard by the art, but it had casts of characters people enjoyed. And Magneto's development as a Holocaust victim and reformed villain was a decent part of that. Yeah, originally he was mutant Hitler and wanted to fuck shit up. I know, I get that. But the other stories were good too. Keeping him as the same Mutant Hitler moustache twirling villain didn't go anywhere fast and we had many stories of that already.The problem is you want to hyper focus on the details of canon when I'm trying to say that a good story comes first and those hyper details can never be rectified and attacking those details is just attacking superhero ongoings and that is a fine opinion but then you just have to admit superhero shit ain't for you.
I was just reading the gruenwald captain america run and there's something battle star says while hunting a mutant that just collapses the x-men and mutants allegory stuff. He says In a thought bubble " what difference does it male how a person got his super power? Being born with 'em--or gettin 'em through a special process like Cap and I did? Powers are powers! Seems like this is just another new to find minorities to oppress."If a character in the comics can say it, so will I.
>>147129473You're really going with "just accept that one writer can turn GigaHitler into a good boy who did nothing wrong, or superhero comics just aren't for you"?
>>147129540Anon, I don't know how to get through to you with this, but changes happen in every series, everytime you get a new creative team. Ditko Spider-Man looks different to Romita Spider-Man and what each one wanted is different. The book changed. People rectify that change as Spider-Man growing up but originally there were different intents. Fans will argue endlessly over which changes they like and dislike, and that is standard practice.The strength of superhero comic books is that multiple people can reinterpret them with the possibility of new good stories (but sometimes bad ones). And this doesn't necessarily erase the past stories, they still exist. The stories that came out of Magneto's reformation were good. There is a reason why Magneto is one of the most popular villains at Marvel precisely because of the addition of this backstory which added new dimension to the character.Now either you don't like those Magneto stories, which is fine fair enough, or you just continue to argue they don't make sense. And that second part feels very artbitrary considering the sheer amount of continuity errors and problems that have always existed in canon. Selective suspension of disbelief has always been a silly concept for me. People will argue one thing is "unrealistic therefore bad" whilst handwaving away plenty of other stuff. It really does come down to, did the stories justify the changes, yes or no. Maybe in hindsight we can say: the continuity changes with Magneto SHOULD have been better. But the pressures of a monthly comic book did not necessity huge long term planning. It was a disposable entertainment form and the fact we got anything good out of it is a blessing. I would love to discuss it in good faith with you if you would address anything I am saying.
>>147129540>a good boy who did nothing wrongHe wasn't turned into a good boy who did nothing wrong at all. They addressed that shit multiple times.
>>14712860460s Marvel is a bad read to begin with. Fuck every poser who pretends it's good.
>>147130982Just wait until you grow up and realize this is true for every last bit of capeshit that's ever been published!
>>147117870Iceman was the boring x man. The guy who went and became an accountant.
>>147128604>Hardcore X-fags pretend 1960s X-Men is awful>citation needed
>>147129627I love you anon
>>147131087damn, young elon musk was yummydidn't he have some luggage, lad?
>>147128780The reprint era deserves some book analyzing it, because at the same time, brazilians were publishing brand-new stories in Gep magazine, with Malagola being the artist (or writer, don't remember it right now). But the 60s x-men era might be their most reprinted / revisited era. Beside multiple reprint series, you have specials, hidden years and so on, up to the point that they brought the O5 to the present time. It's fascinating reallyOnly GOTG comes to mind as a second example, where people care more about the all-new line-up, but GOTG never got this big in comics
>>147131468>But the 60s x-men era might be their most reprinted / revisited era.Because 1. it's not very good and you can improve on it 2. the Claremont era is one guys epic which leads to a tighter continuity until the franchise explodes around the time he leaves 3. Claremont himself has been revisiting parts of his various eras since the late 80s (which ties into 1 somewhat)
