>stan has jjj hire literal criminals to attack spider-man ruining several of their lives and creating long time villains>later writers keep making him the asshole with a heart of goldIs the white washing of JJJ based or cringe?
JJJ being a morally complex character is perfectly fine, especially as a consequence of development. He was 110% asshole when introduced and became nuanced across decades of comics. Having it be a more intentional or structured arc would have made it more cohesive, but overall the shift isn't inherently bad.
>>147119101I don't think it's whitewashing, it's trying to make him more interesting
>>147119101it'd be white washing if the villains he created didn't come back to haunt him or other characters didn't throw the fact he did it in his face. Hell he had his Spider-Slaying work bite him big time when Alistair Smythe killed his wife or Freddie Foswell being a major consequence of Jameson's smear campaign in Spencer's run.
>>147119101Cringe. Phony sentimentality.
>>147119101Why is Stan getting all the blame for Jameson when Steve Ditko was a major plotting force on those issues?
>>147119101>>147119478>>147119479JJJ's always been nuanced and interesting. Stop shitting up /co/ like a dumb secondary and get me pictures of Spider-Man
>>147119101I find it funnier that JJ was based off of Stan himself
Writers should stick to the essence of characters (in that case, a gigantic asshole but actually not that bad of a man deep down), instead of focusing on weird continuity details which always ends up in character assassination.I know it's hard considering character development and progression, but a good writer should be able to do it.
>>147119101The real problem with this is that it raises JJ at the expense of Peter. Now he got his start in his career entirely out of pity, rather than just being a very good photographer. Like everything else about modern Spider-Man it's just another way to subtly drag down the character.
>>147124011It's not like Peter was ever considered a genius reporter, and not "that one guy who keeps taking pictures if Spider-Man".
>>147119101you see this as a JJJ retconI see it as a millennial writer not being able to suspend disbelief that peter got a professional job with a firm handshake
>>147119101I don't think Jameson should be an outright villain
>>147119101Stan Lee was just making fun of himself via JJJ.
>>147121223It's kind of funny that Jameson is exactly the kind of person that Ditko *should* view as an objectivist hero.
>>147119101People aren’t just one thing, anon.
>>147124911Objectivists are anti-envy, though. Jameson would seem more like a Gail Wynand to them, someone who could be a great man but isn’t due to wanting power and being overly focused on public opinion, both shaping it and being given prestige by it.
>>147124957So, he's just how Objectivists actually are. Pretty funny, either way.
JJJ js a great character and I hate how normies view him as an Alex Jones type, at least the insomniac games didn't make him a complete schizo with him having legitimate moments of journalism and advice for people in danger
>>147119101I like the idea of him being an old fashioned tough guy who still tries to do his best to help normal people, but has a massive chip on his shoulder about vigilantes for whatever reason.Have him genuinely care about Peter, but also genuinely hate Spider-man.
>>147119101I'd say that, for a while, JJJ could be considered Peter's main antagonist more than someone like the Green Goblin.
>>147119101A newspaper guy creating supervillains because of a weird random hateboner for a hero was retarded from the beginning, so the best thing to do is to ignore it. A decent guy who just won't trust Spider-Man is more interesting to explore long-term and that falls apart if he's actively creating villains.
>>147124011>rather than just being a very good photographer If he was ever a really good photographer he wouldn't have been stuck on starvation wages taking paparazzi shots, anon. Clark Kent is a good journalist who cares about the job, Peter just used his childhood hobby of photography to pay some bills. It was never deeper than that. If he didn't have his exclusive Spider-Man pictures he'd never be employed long-term, unless he used his spider-powers to take other paparazzi shots of celebrities. Not exactly the work of a great photographer.
>>147125178Have they ever retconned JJJ as like a corporate wageslave that has no actual control of the paper like a realistic newspaper manager-level worker was in the last decade or so of their relevancy
I see JJJ as a disappointed idealist at heart.
JJJ should be an opportunistic asshole who helps others while he helps himself while never crossing his bottom line.Him also knowing who Peter is, yet knowing that exposing him would cause irreparable damage to people's lives (and cause him to lose quite a few opportunities along the way), is perfectly in line with that.
>>147125298The idea of a guy sitting in an office running a newspaper with the explicit goal of making money was already like 30 years out of date when JJJ was brand new. Giving him some kind of legitimate journalist or truther drive is the absolute least you can do with him
>>147125718Spider-Man is outdated.
>>147125091No one will ever live up to their utopian fantasy ideal, part of the biggest ills of the 20th and now 21st century have been people continuing to parrot their promises of a utopian ideology while being shitheads in real life. Ditko still wrote Peter at his absolute most interesting so he gets respect from me no matter what his weird beliefs were..
>>147126638No he isn't.
>>147126638>>147126869 He should be updated to modern times and use his vast intelligence to be an AI Artist making AI pictures of Spider-Man!
>>147126963A guy who uses Peter's pictures to make AI images of Spider-man, would actually be a fun adversary for Peter to tackle.
>>147119618You're cringe
>>147126698>Ditko still wrote Peter at his absolute most interestingagreed
>>147119479>>147119515This is happening BEFORE all that. Meaning he has a heart of gold AND is a straight up villain.
>>147125718What the fuck does this mean?Ideas don't go "out of date", it's all about if it fits in the context.That other anon is right: Spider-man is outdated, but only because western comics don't dare change anything about the status quo, lest they piss off their fanbase that consists of boomers and only boomers.
>>147121995Did they just let him smoke in the hospital, was there at least a panel of conflict over that?
>>147131538>infringing on a patient's freedom by stopping him from smoking when he's not in the tuberculosis ward What are you, a commie?
