It's unironically over>Raid on Graymalkin was a disaster and has made fans of Uncanny X-Men pissed >Exceptional X-Men is flopping despite people trying to push it as the best book of the line>Adjectiveless X-Men is still going nowhere>X-Manhunt has zero hype>Brevoort is still pumping out more X-Books no one cares for>X-Book discussion has drastically dropped post-Krakoa
>>147120761>and has made fans of Uncanny X-Men pissedWhat happened?>Brevoort is still pumping out more X-Books no one cares forThis has been Marvel's business model since the 90s, arguably even the 80s. It's sadly unrealistic to expect them to wake up and cut the franchise down to just a few books, especially since the one time they did try that fans chimped out and are still crying about the time there were "only" five books, plus minis, plus Deadpool.
I feel like they could have dragged Krakoa status quo longer, like with Utopia/Schism
>>147120792>What happened?Event ended in a big wet fart and ended up doing nothing except forcing the non-existent schism between the two X-Men teams while setting up for X-Manhunt. Oh, and one of the most OOC moments of all time that had everyone fucking shit on Simone on how OOC it was.
>>147120761Zero cheseecakeAwful artistsTerrible writersAll the mutants seem to wear costumes made for the CW, gays in all issues, all pages, cringe moments on each page, it's that Disney suits idea of how Marvel should be, they want to impose their will and way of life down the reader's throat, it's not working why do they continue?
>>147120825>Oh, and one of the most OOC moments of all time that had everyone fucking shit on Simone on how OOC it was.That moment would actually have worked coming from another character who wasn't one of Magneto's lovers. She couldn't have given Wolverine or Gambit that line?
>>147120842Get your coomer shit out of here ESL
>>147120825Why the fuck would Cyclops want to be XavierHe fucking killed him before
>>147120761>>X-Book discussion has drastically dropped post-KrakoaThisX-Men would constantly trend on Twitter during Krakoa every Wednesday and there was discussion everydayNow they never trend
>>147120761IT'S BREEVOVER
>>147120761Brevoort was recently caught trying to put Weapon X-Men #1 as a One World Under Doom tie-in when it has almost nothing to do with the event as well
>>147120761>>Exceptional X-Men is flopping despite people trying to push it as the best book of the lineSeriously? Because nothing so far has happened in that book, it's just introduction to the characters and reminding us that kitty is so awesome and bobby is gay.
>>147120987>there was discussion everydayHalf of it was over how fucking insane the X-men were acting, so I'm not sure that's exactly a good thing. Zeb Well's Spider-Man run used to get a lot of discussion, but it was just about fucking Paul and gwenschizo stirring shit up.
>>147120857It could have been much better for Gambit to say it because most of the worst moments of his life were indirectly caused by Magneto, but it also would mean that he harbours some resentment over him due to Rogue and the feminist writers of Marvel love a Gambit who was ok with him approving of Rogue to sleep around because at the end, she loves him and he "knows" she's coming back.
>>147120987Twitter xmen fans are terrible people who don't give a shit about the characters unless they're constantly shipped around. All they do is celebrate whenever a character is "queer" or having their own headcanons indirectly validated by the writers. The fact they stopped talking about xmen is good, but the downside is that nobody else is doing it.
>>147120857Wasn't it Joseph she was with
>>147121230She was with Joseph too, but she's also been with Magneto. She even dumped Remy to find out her actual feelings for Magneto despite their relationship was well and she finally gained some control of her powers. Even after living together for some time, she wasn't sure about Remy. That's because the then writer has them as better couple than R and G.After that, they weren't back together for more than a decade.
>>147120761Always felt like the From the Ashes books were seatwarmers/outliers for a the real post Krakoa X-line once Brevoort's had a chance to get his feet under the desk IMO
>>147120761It's because Krakoa had actual things happening in it, even if some of it was terrible.The only book I can say was outright bad back then was Fallen Angels. Even shit like Marauders or Excalibur were miles better than what we have now
Gail Simone has the X men dream team and she is doing nothing with them at all. I know little about her previous work, but she can't write action and she puts her personal interpretation of the characters over their actual development. What's funny though is that people are mad that she's written Rogue as impulsive and dumb, despite she is in fact impulsive and dumb, but Simone didn't intend to write her this way.She's also oblivious again to how shitty she feels to the reader when she says her life has no purpose if she's not with the xmen to the man she's recently married. Which ain't even true because she's been out of the xmen for so long many times.The reast of the team hasn't done much to have an opinion of how they're portrayed.Rogue's just a bad leader. Her protegees are bad fighters and she can't protect them. Simone just wants to write her and Gambit playing house with four teens, and the need of having a plot gets in the way.
>>147121338>some of it was terribleMost of it was terrible. Terrible in the general banal comic book malaise sense of yet more stupid gimmicks piled onto X-men books that never wanted nor needed them, along with characters acting like overconfident retards and characters being built up but leading to nowhere.So about the same as the pre-Krakoa era, essentially.
>>147121352I always remember how Gail Simone's secret six was never as good as everyone said it was specifically because she made the mad hatter into a telepath.Dumb bitch that's not how it works.
Was the mutant idea a mistake? I think honestly marvel can live without mutants
Hey, hear me out.A new X-Men relaunch, but's actually a book where mutants are the only powered beings on Earth
>>147121366the fact they've been part of Marvel longer than you've been alive so this type of question is just navel gazing.
>>147121366The concept of mutants is fine, the move to separate them from "mutates" was a logical but terrible idea in the long term because it established the precedent of constructing more and more artificial reasons for the X-men to feel compelled to self-isolate from the general superhero community.>>147121374Been done in other comic lines. There was even one about only black people having superpowers and still being stuck with the Atlantic slave trade
>>147121366>>147121374This isn't gonna solve anything because the problem isn't there's other superheroes around.
>>147121395They're not being self-isolated, they're being persecuted by people who are legitimately setting up hunter-seeker robots to kill them.
>>147121356At least the pre Krakoa didn't have Krakoa. FTA is the mutants brooding over Krakoa, which makes sense because they have to deal with the consequences of it, but nobody really wants that. People who like Krakoa don't want to be reminded that they've lost it and people who hate it are tired of that plot.UXM is about Rogue being depressed for losing Krakoa, as if she didn't have a life before it. Also, chronologically, how long did it last? Because six year is little than a year in marvel time. I keep saying, it could have been a much better approach to the post Krakoa era to have Gambit as the leader of UXM because he really didn't give a shit about it and he still has human roots and links he cares for. He never lost his human American identity over that stupid "mutant culture" shit despite Simone is trying to pretend he did. He also is not an asshole who hates humans and wasn't involved in most of the debauchery that was that stupid island. Nah, they wanted a female leader and chose the most stupid and unstable to be so. A team of Cyclops and Gambit fighting together (not against each other) could have been the coolest xmen was in decades, but these motherfuckers don't want to give readers what they want and like to lose money.
>>147121411Dude, they were self-isolating themselves and pretending they weren't mutants in public well before Bolivar Trask found his first boner and decided to build robots based on that. It's a goddamn moot point.
>>147121419Man, being Gambit really is a neverending parade of suffering at this point, isn't it?
>>147121423Dude it's not self-isolating if someone is actually persecuting you and forced you to hide.
>>147120987I don't give a fuck because Twitter is not a real place
>>147121471They're not the first nor the last superheroes to deal with killer robots hunting them down. The Avengers have to deal with one with massive daddy issues who keeps sending in armies of either drones or supervillains to kill them all when he's not doing the job himself. And you don't hear them cry about being persecuted.
yeah, the raid was really disappointing. 4 issues of nothing. this is definitely not the way you rebound from krakoa. but then again, how would you write after krakoa?
>>147120804>I feel like they could have dragged Krakoa status quo longerFuck off faggot. The problem is trying too pander to woke ass krakoa faggots while also ditching krakoa. They’ve in effect ended up appealing to neither the woke faggots krakoa appealed to or the normal people who found the entire era repugnant.
>>147121441Being a Gambit fan is too. We only enjoyed his cool self for one episode of xmen 97 before they offed him.Thing is, Gambit sells and he's popular. X97 proved it, DnW kinda proved it too. People like Gambit, no matter the portrayal. His solos have always done well and are top stories even when the main books were shit. Rogue? Not so much. That's why Rogue's solos had to come disguised as "... and Gambit". He's a much better character but her fans and Marvel are in absolute denial.
>>147121504Let's drop the LARP because I'm not gonna fucking budge from the fact mutants are legitimately persecuted in-universe.
>>147120870Nah anon is right. Krakoa was an era meant to appeal to faggots. I’m not a T&A coomer but what anon said is mostly what marvel needed to do. A complete 180 and pander to straight, normal people. No writers like Simone and Eve Ewing, less solo books about female characters, less female characters leading teams. Books for straight young men, mostly white.
>>147121534You got it backwards, people only like Gambit because he's dating rogue.
>>147121505>how would you write after krakoa?Easy, ignore it ever happened.
>>147121552And yet Krakoa was a massive hit so you just sound like a fucking idiot.
>>147121562>Easy, ignore it ever happened.Have a character wake up and explain that it was just a nightmare.
>>147121541Fine with me. Cause I wasn't Larping. As a comic book reader, the X-men have it on the same level as being Spider-Man or Hulk or any other hero with bad standing in the public in how they're repeatedly unfairly shat on and hounded by maniacs and killer robots day and night. And yeah, it legitimately does suck for the X-men that it keeps happening. But they also have actively rejected outside help when it's offered time and again, and I've just run out of pity for the bullshit writing where they mope and whine and scream about how nobody loves mutants but still keep fuckwads like Magneto around who helped cause most of their misery to begin with by igniting the fucking race war that they're involved in.The Hulk may bitch about how people never leave him alone, and Spider-Man may mope like a baby when everyone treats him like dirt, but nobody tells them that they don't deserve it, they get told to fucking suck it up because there's bigger problems. Which at this point should be how we treat the X-men. They decided 'only mutants should deal with mutant problems' ages ago, so they should fucking live with it.
>>147121573For one year. Then it dropped like a goddamn stone because people realized after its new coat of paint it was more of the same, constant X-men dying and all (even if the cloning means they can treat it like a joke)
>>147121557No. An specific bunch of Rogue fans like Gambit because they love Rogue and she's dating a hot dude, but that's not the case in general.His solos, specially the two more popular (99 and 12) don't feature her at all except for one or two numbers.The people who enjoyed Tatum's cameo didn't care at all for Rogue. They thought he was cool as it was and his original planned movie didn't even have Rogue in it as the love interest, but Bella.People got mad at Rogue for what she did to him in Xmen97. He was the absolute MVP of the show and you'll find a few fans who don't even want them back together if he comes back.Gambit can work very well without Rogue and in fact, he works better without her dragging him down.
>>147121586Storm wakes up and Logan's in the shower...
>>147121573Post a picture of the krakoa era floppies you own.
>>147120825>Least we don’t have Magneto on our teamWhy would she say this? Rogue has had nothing but respect for Magneto for years now. Simone is painfully incompetent
>>147120825I hate everything about this page. It epitomizes everything wrong with the book.
>>147121701He's fucked Magneto too. And still was in good terms with him after getting married.
>>147121596>Cause I wasn't LarpingYeah you are, this is all a convoluted argument about how systematic persecution cannot actually exist but you just objectively wrong. Having a robot trying to kill you not for your actions but just how you are born is without a doubt legit persecution meaning mutants are not self-isolating.
>>147120825Rogue and Cyclops are there talking while Xavier and the other bald dude are having a fight and the rest of their teams are on the floor collapsing. Amazing leaders, aren't they?
>>147121759>Having a robot trying to kill you not for your actions but just how you are born Spider-Slayers were made specifically to kill Spider-Man cause he's Spider-ManThe military has an entire unit dedicated to hunting and dissecting him for the crime of being green and mean>mutants are not self-isolatingMeanwhile, over in Alaska...>systematic persecution Oh, wait, you're one of THOSE kinds of retards. Never mind.
>>147121776*Hulk has an entire unit dedicated to hunting and dissecting him
>>147121776>Spider-Slayers were made specifically to kill Spider-Man cause he's Spider-ManBut he's Spider-man by his actions, not by the nature of being born you dumb idiot.
>>147121552Mackay's book being Scott hanging around with a bunch of hot chicks while berating Quire works for that.
>>147121786Would it literally be any different if he was a mutant, though?
>>147121793Yeah, without question.
>>147121789It’s the least bad of the books but I haven’t liked a single series he’s written and this isn’t any different. I also told you I don’t care about tits and ass, I don’t care about “Scott hanging around with hot chicks” (which for the record is an appraisal I don’t even agree with). I want the mutants to stop fighting their friends and do capeshit. I want them to never reference krakoa again.
>>147121759With all due respect if feels like you connect with the “persecution” angle way too much on a personal angle and refuse to think about it objectively.
>>147121771Simone also forgot that Gambit can resist the invasion of strong psychics in his mind, even Xavier.
>>147120761>Raid on Graymalkin was a disaster and has made fans of Uncanny X-Men pissedWhat are they mad about? I read their comic thanks to that crossover or else I would just bother to read X-Men instead
>>147121820It wouldn't. Don't lie to yourself. Spidey would still be treated like shit if he wasn't a mutant, especially considering plenty of people already think he's a mutant. The Hulk would still be hunted down like a dog regardless of if he was mutant or mutate. And being mutant in and of itself doesn't mean the X-men have it any worse off than any other superhero. Their choice to act like aloof pricks to the superhero community and team up with people they objectively know are terrible just because they're the same made up "species" like Magneto and Apocalypse right up until everything comes crashing down on them is what makes them so worse off.
>>147121831It's the entire premise of the X-Men, they're a direct commentary on civil rights.
>>147121854If Spider-man was a mutant then he wouldn't have great power but just another mutant ability.
>>147121776They aren't isolating. Cyclops and Beast are trying to integrate them with the rest of the human community. Or were before Magik and that other girl attempted to kidnap a child.It makes sense for Cyclops to settle himself and the team in Alaska as a way to reconnect with his human side and help the others do the same, but they aren't yet using that despite it's right there. Same way could have been for Gambit in Louisiana. They are just wasting the story unless it's something that comes later. But so far, they aren't interested on presenting the mutants as human.
>>147120761Is Mackay's X-men worth checking out tho?
I think the big problem with the new status quo is that Krakoa ended so poorly and it doesn't feel justifiable for everyone to hate and imprison all mutants again. I still believe that Fall of X should've been more about Humans turning on Mutants after the Orchis attack caused the more monstrous mutants to go around getting revenge now that they don't have any incentive to play nice with the world anymore. Instead of having the heroic mutants go around acting like terrorists have them turn their back on the Krakoan dream when they have to stomp people like Mastermind and Selene into the dirt to save people that hate them. Polaris destroying an international research station (that was also secretly an Orchis base) should've been a big moment of introspection from ther heroes over how their fellow mutants are going too far.
>>147121821It started well with them trying to solve the mystery of why some mutants are having powers late or what was the deal with a kid who seemed to had powers but didn't show in tests. Then the crossover happened.I am more interested in seeing how the team adapts in a human village while also working on mysteries and the military trying to fuck them up. Making them fight each other is tiresome already.
>>147121776>Meanwhile, over in Alaska...Scott is from Alaska
>>147121898Not really. Is it as bad as Simone, Ewing or the solos? No, but it’s certainly not worth spending money on.
>>147121867They're not. They're meant to be every outsider group out there. And they haven't worked towards equality for decades with how retarded the current writers are. The fact they outright gave up on their dream for Krakoa says a lot about how fucking dead the "civil rights" commentary is.>>147121879>But so far, they aren't interested on presenting the mutants as human.That's the main issue. When's the last time you ever saw any of the X-men even pretend to be equals with another human being that wasn't a mutant?
>>147121867It's not. It's part of the premise, not the entire premise.
>>147121867This is remarkably disingenuous and something parroted by people who, like I said, feel persecuted in their own lives and latch on to that aspect.
>>147121898only if you like Cyclops and Magik
This new status quo feels like they rolled the clock back to the late 80s/early 90s. Who asked for this?
>>147121867The difference of course being black people cant accidentally wake up one morning while going through puberty and find out they had a nocturnal emission that set the whole block on fire. This is why it’s always been a stupid part of the concept. Mutants are genuinely a danger to themselves and their loved ones without careful detection and care - which can include isolation of they lack control of unintentionally dangerous lapses.
>>147120761>is floppingAnd which run sells best? Simone's?
>>147121946>feels like they rolled the clock back to the late 80s/early 90sOnly someone who only ever read krakoa would say this. This bares almost no resemblance to the late Claremont, Image founders era
>>147121946>Who asked for this?X-Men '97 was a huge hit
>>147121946That’s not even remotely true.
>>147121947>Mutants are genuinely a danger to themselves and their loved ones without careful detection and careThat's just not true though.
>>147122008Explain to me how rogue wasnt a danger to her flatscan friends and family? Next do Scott.
>>147121914>When's the last time you ever saw any of the X-men even pretend to be equals with another human being that wasn't a mutant?Too long ago.That's what current editorial doesn't get about why former fans of xmen don't like Krakoa. Krakoa is a way for the Xmen to say "we hate humans and don't want to be around them". You know who are humans? The readers. The Xmen hate the readers. Like, you read the comics before and you understood that Magneto was a villain because he hated you, the reader, for being a human and the Xmen, also mutants as Magneto, didn't care he was their "kind", they fought to protect you and reminded you "we are the same".Why would know read a book about people who hate me?The characters are extensions of the writers. The writers hate the former Xmen fans. They are saying "we don't want you to be part of this fandom bc you're sexist, racist, and misogynistic, so we're isolating you out of our club". They think you're beneath them for having normal opinions, in the same way the Xmen hate humans don't want to accept their shenanigans and demands. Why would I buy a book written by people who openly hate me too?
>>147120825Hey remember when Cyclops and Wolverine split up the X-Men because Cyke wanted to involve the kids in the war and Wolverine wanted to just give them an education?It's not only Rogue that wouldn't have that point of view, Cyke wouldn't be the one berating her for it.
>>147121963FTA was in production before X97 was released and has no resemblance to it.
>>147122040Scott was also quite young when he started
>>147121947>The difference of course being black people cant accidentally wake up one morning while going through puberty and find out they had a nocturnal emission that set the whole block on fire.That's just overgrown minutiae though, like a fraction of a fraction of mutants that just tries to both sides the idea of mutant persecution to a comic exaggerations. The morlocks are a way better look into how mutant persecution makes sense where it's uggos whose powers aren't that useful in saving people.
>>147120761It was over when Krakoa was over
>>147122045NTA and Thats nice and all but I’d point out both X97 and FTA have zero resemblance to “the late 80s/ early 90s”
>>147122032Scott got help and can still control his powers. Rogue was impossible to help for years. Not even Xavier could help her control her mind.Funny thing, both could have become better with a small surgery. Don't know about Scott, but Rogue refused.
>>147122045SuuuuuureThat's why Uncanny is full of '97 roster
>>147122054>That's just overgrown minutiaeBut enough about gun violence in comparison to gun ownership.
>>147121495It's called X now. Coincidence?
>>147122060>Scott got help and can still control his powers. Rogue was impossible to help for yearsSo let’s refer back to the initial statement>Mutants are genuinely a danger to themselves and their loved ones without careful detection and care - which can include isolation of they lack control of unintentionally dangerous lapses.
>>147122032Scott got hit in the head, he's a disabled mutant who uses medical grade shades.
>>147122008Chamber
>>147122035God, do I miss the days when writers actually wanted to write comic books instead of lecturing the readers
>>147122040That was still a terrible characterization.
>>147122108What are you talking about? X-men has always been preachy
>>147122072You mean, the main xbook has the most popular xmen? Shocking.
>>147122112Not for Scott tho
>>147122122I thought adjectiveless X-Men is the main book, no?
>>147122121No it hasn’t. It wasn’t true when you said it here either: >>147121867
>>147122091But it's not self-isolation because it's externally driven.
>>147122122>the main xbook has the most popular xmenThan why is it behind McKay's X-Men in sales? Are you a retard?
>>147122155Restate this, the wording you’ve chosen isn’t specific enough to reply to.
>>147122091I don't disagree. The existence of the school, originally, was to help them to control their powers and not being a danger. Maybe Scott didn't have a surgery, but he still wears the glasses so he could have a normal life and not be a danger for others.The only reason characters don't do these type of procedures is the writers insisting on them being normal. But Scott ain't normal, his power cant be controlled bc of an accident, he wasn't born this way. Also, Rogue's been explained as being unable to control hers due to trauma. Had Xavier found her when she was still a kid, she could perhaps control them better.Ironically, the one who was born with a full destructive potential, Remy, got a surgery to control his powers bc he didn't want to hurt others. Twice when he got reseted back and started to hurt people (he blew a woman's arm off), he did all he could to get back to a more controllable level.
>>147122173They were chosen bc they are popular, but they are written terribly. That's not the characters' fault.
>>147122191And so let’s return to the initial context. The civil rights angle falls apart when you’re dealing with people who are genuine dangers to themselves and others.
>>147122223mutants should represent mental disorders. a vast majority of them are bad and crippling. with only a few that allow you to act normally, and even fewer that you can thrive with, like some kind of spectrum
>>147121947>The difference of course being black people cant accidentally wake up one morning while going through puberty and find out they had a nocturnal emission that set the whole block on fire.They are prone to sudden and unexpected chimpouts tho
>>147121541>because I'm not gonna fucking budge from the fact mutants are legitimately persecuted in-universe."Legitimately" as in it's being done for very legitimate reasons that are largely all the fault of prominent members of the mutant community, sure.>>147121946It feels more like they rolled things back to about 2013. It's not nostalgia for when X-Men was good and popular, it's nostalgia for the Benis era, right down to Cyclops threatening people like a fake tough guy again.
I hate Exceptional so much. I hate every one of those kids. They're awful. They reek of emptyheaded social justice nonsense, and I say that as a SJW myself.
>>147121867>>147121946I don't get it. Why would anons come into an X-Men thread just to make it clear they've never actually read X-Men?
>>147122223More than civil rights, it's about civil liberties.Imagine a child being born super smart in out reality. Does the government should constantly monitor the child in case she or he develops a mega bomb that can destroy humanity? Or as we, as a society, entitled for this kid to use such gifts to our benefit? Or the kid should just grow up and decide?You can acknowledge some groups are more dangerous than others (reason why profiling exists), but you can't still deny their individuality. The original Xmen were in fact good people who wanted to help. Angel was doing that even before joining them. Their ethics were in the right place. And this was the majority of mutants.At the end, profiling them all as evil is the same as thinking they all deserve the same rights. For starters, Cyclops is American, he should subject himself to those laws and values while other countries should deal with their own in their own way. Or do writers think Gambit's NOLA background and origin is just him liking spicy food? An Euro mutant probably has a different views than the American ones. Fuck it, the Southerners should have a different approach than the Coast ones too. Making them all the same group has always been a mistake. Civil rights were a different issue because it was about Blacks saying "we're American too" mostly. The Xmen now aren't saying that, they are saying all the opposite: "no, I'm not an American (or whatever country they're from) and yet, you should accept us and embrace our newfound culture and powers otherwise you're a bad person". If you follow twitter trends, this is the H1B debate, forcing Americans to accept people who hate America otherwise you're sanctioned. Krakoa was the culmination of this and ended up badly in the same way India sucks.
>>147122360While I fully agree with what you said, I think the broader issue is that Marvel and a lot of fans of X-men have swallowed the whole "civil rights" thing without actually considering what it means, nor how mutants themselves stand in broader context to the general world outside their comic books.Cause to be generous, being an X-gene mutant is akin to having a genetic condition, NOT a separate species like a lot of them pretend now. And much like people with genetic conditions in real life, they can be benign or actively detrimental to themselves and the people around them. So the question of how much we should let them live their lives vs how much we should over-monitor them is a legitimate one, giving mutants superpowers is just a way to make it more exciting as a reader. Not to mention shift it from an all-or-nothing approach regarding acceptance vs rejection, as while most mutants CAN properly integrate into society with no issues, there's just enough mutants that will never live a normal life that makes the question of what to do with them hazy.The other thing is that the X-men books naturally present themselves as basically the only guys who face "persecution" near-daily, when I can outright think of like five different examples of the earliest Marvel superheroes who had similar issues regarding distrust and being forced into outsider roles.>The Human Torch>Fantastic Four>Iron Man>Spider-Man>The HulkAnd even then, you've got robot heroes like Vision and Machine Man who keep being pushed away for being robots, aliens like Sleepwalker and Rom the Space Knight being feared for being potential infiltrators, more heroic 'monsters' like Ghost Rider and Werewolf by Night being feared for being...monsters, and even other mutants like Firestar and Scarlet Witch dealing with shit from the public like arson and active manhunts by mobs.TL;DR X-men have it bad, but so does everyone else, and writers consistently fail to recognize that
>>147122360>More than civil rights, it's about civil libertiesThat’s the same thing. >Does the government should constantly monitor the child in case she or he develops a mega bomb that can destroy humanityThats not even remotely analogous to a kid that one day wakes up with a violent uncontrollable beam coming from his eye, or a girl who can kill people by touch them or any of the far more destructive powers.
>>147122650Back during Krakoa Gillen devoted an entire issue to "mutants are genuinely dangerous and not interchangeable with real minority groups"
>>147121374Won't that just result in there being more kung-fu and gun guys running around?
>>147122678And yet, you can't tell when a mutant is gonna be dangerous or a mutant at all until they hit puberty. You'd have to monitor every child since birth.I don't disagree that mutants can be dangerous, btw. The discussion is how to solve that without destroying their rights as citizens because if we're claiming they are humans, then they have basic human rights too.That's why they example of a smart kid. You don't constantly monitor the kid in case the kid goes evil, because the kid is a person with rights. A smart kid can cause damage too, without meaning it.
>>147122650>being an X-gene mutant is akin to having a genetic condition, NOT a separate species like a lot of them pretend now.Remember that the current Xmen audience now thinks that having a chromosomal disorder is the same as separate sex or gender. Or that average heterosexual fools think dying your hair green makes you "queer". Current xmen is exactly the narrative the expected audience understands the world and this view is highly unpopular in the world but marvel comics refuse to acknowledge it.
>>147123082Gillen also argued against Hickman's "mutants are a separate species" take.
>>147123109At least Charles has been consistent about that.
>>147123082>Current xmen is exactly the narrative the expected audience understands the worldAnd good lord do I hate it
>>147123109Gillen handles it better than some, but I remember being surprised at how much the Krakoa era went back to the kind of wordiness and explaining the subtext that used to be associated with old-school X-Men comics.They're not trying to be old-school, there aren't any thought balloons and other such devices, it sort of felt like the worst of both worlds, Claremont-style wordiness without Claremont-style comfiness.
>>147120761>>Exceptional X-Men is flopping despite people trying to push it as the best book of the lineI thought adjectiveless and X-Force were the best regarded. Nothing has happened in Exceptional so far and I figure NYX is more popular with its target audience.Graymalkin was also bad for Uncanny because the adjectiveless author had slightly more interesting scenes with the new kids. It doesn't help that New Champions came out and the stupidly derivative cashgrab characters were actually fun.
>>147123034>And yet, you can't tell when a mutant is gonna be dangerous or a mutant at all until they hit puberty. You'd have to monitor every child since birth. We know the general age of puberty and cerebro already pegs them from birth. Around their 8th birthday for girls and 10th birthday for boys yes they should be monitored frequently. >I don't disagree that mutants can be dangerous, btw. The discussion is how to solve that without destroying their rights as citizens because if we're claiming they are humans, then they have basic human rightsThey aren’t humans. Like quite literally they are a different species. Ffs even the “heroic” mutants now see themselves as “homo superior”>That's why they example of a smart kid. It’s not analogous at all. More apt is a child with access to firearms.
>>147120761It always was.
>>147123788>They aren’t humans. Like quite literally they are a different species. Ffs even the “heroic” mutants now see themselves as “homo superior”They are not a different species. They are homo Sapiens with a mutation. That doesn't make you a different species.
>>147122085IS Called X because its X-COM
>>147122035And people asks why DC got rid of their own Muties for them trying to take over the world and the League putting an end to them.
>>147123020>>147123109Again, this is why in every timeline that isn't Kang where Charles method worked the mutants die out and are wiped from the universe.Even Magneto the moment he was crippled accepted that Charles was right AGAIN For the time being of the Status QooOld Chuck would Cry over what the Mutants became and how the "Homo superior" faggotry spread and became the norm because of fucking Cyclops.
When are the X-Men gonna go back to being the X-Men instead of whatever they fuck they have been for the past 20 odd years?
>>147125402It's called x-corp. Maybe musk is a fan.
>>147125628I want my Snek girls with legs and weak to anal
>>147125573When Marvel fires all current writers before even thinking of a relaunch.
>>147120825But Rogue has literally have sex with Magneto. Who is she to neg Scott about him?
>>147126632Exactly.
>>147120792>What happened?Muggas without the ability to blame humans turn on other muggas.
>>147126632And Cyclops has used child soldiers, including one who is literally on his team right now. Simone hasn't read an x-book since the 00s probably.
>>147122040>Hey remember when Cyclops and Wolverine split up the X-Men because Cyke wanted to involve the kids in the war and Wolverine wanted to just give them an education?Except that's not what was happening, the war was already coming to these kids the whole fiasco with Idie was proof of that he only meant to actually teach them to defend themselves the same thing they've done since forever, Wolverine school still got attacked all the same and he still taught them to fight so that schism was still retarded and Logan was a moron for doing it.
>>147126695Can you blame her?
>>147122008>That's just not true though.
>>147126748X-Men fandom really does have the highest percentage of cape comic readers who just mindlessly tolerate stupid, character-damaging stories and accept them unquestioningly as precedent and justification for the next stupid, character-damaging story instead of getting mad at Marvel and demanding they stop doing this.
>>147126751The books were mostly good before Bendis desu when the Magneto/Rogue child soldier stuff happened.
>>147126770>Beast heel turn>Magneto face turn #15672>Emma face turn>Rightclops>The entire Krakoa eraYou're not wrong
>>147126751When it's her job, yes.
>>147126790You can't expect a writer to be familiar with everything. You can however blame the editor who should know better since it's literally his job. Brevoort is not pulling his weight.
>>147126830There's a difference between forgetting some bit of continuity from 50 years ago and not picking up some of the most recent shit so you know where you're starting from.
>>147126788Everything from Morison onwards is dogshit
>>147126839This stuff happened over 10 years ago and I'm guessing Brevoort did not provide any Krakoa material because he wants to ignore it entirely.
I liked everything except X-Factor and Heir of Apocalypse. I'm not caught up, but it sounds like my suspicions were confirmed, in that everything related to the "main plot" is stupid while most things unconnected to that are solid, at least for me because I'm a massive faggot who enjoys modern comics.
>>147126682Are you telling me Gambit's strong enough to hold Rogue? Lol.>>147126695>Simone hasn't read an x-book since the 00s probablySince ever.
>>147126830It's their job to know. Sure, there are details for the editors to know, but why would you accept to write a book you know nothing about? It's like me accepting to write transformers. I know nothing about it and read some previous numbers ain't the same as knowing the whole story.
>>147126862Carey and Gillen were great, Milligan, Aaron, Liu, and Gage weren't too bad. Didn't care for Whedon but his run has its fans, likewise with Brubaker and Fraction. I'm not attached to any particular status quo so not judging the books based on that.
>>147126864The Wiki is right goddamn there. It's never been easier to have information on comics.
>>147126926Transformers reinvents itself constantly. Just stick Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, and Bumblebee or a similar character in and you are golden.
>>147126862Most of the books were rarely good for several years before that, but that era really was the point of no return, just because of how fundamentally it changed the nature of the books in a way Marvel can't or won't walk back from.
>>147126862Honestly I kind of checked out around that whole Onslaught mess.
>>147126695Hell, Scott himself and the OG X-Men were Xavier’s child soldiers
>>147126947Wiki-diving has its own risks, just look at Tom King and how he gets some details about characters garishly wrong because his research begins and ends with the wiki.
>>147126964That was still when the comic functioned as whimsical super hero adventures. >Go fight the dude at the circus x-men>Oh no it's Toad!!
>>147126969Getting all your information from wiki-diving tends to lead to people getting things most egregiously wrong if a character has any kind of foreign ancestry, the wiki article is likely to put more emphasis and importance on this than it may actually have. It's how Kyle Rayner went from originally having no idea his dad was Mexican to sometimes being vaguely brown and King writing him as speaking Spanish as a first language.
>>147127102That's where the editor steps in to sort what's germane and what's not
>>147127130Marvel and DC don't have that kind of editor anymore, especially not for "star writers".
>>147120918Brevoort us trying to have his cake and eat it to with Scott in full Richard Spencer mode ala the Bendis run and yet having him try to be the new Professor X
>>147126926Writers have never been hired on a book based on their own knowledge of the characters. Editors assign them to a book either because they like them personally or because they personally like their writing style. It's the editor's job to keep track of the details. Brevoort actually lived through all these events while working at Marvel, and he's the one who hired Simone, so the blame is entirely on him.
I miss before everyone suddenly hated Xavier.
>>147126962Still better than current runs. At least they still pretended it was an action comic about superheroes.
>>147127744"You can't tell me what to do, da-- I mean, professor X!!"
>>147126789>RightclopsThere was nothing wrong with that.
>>147127880Other than admitting Scott as a character is shit and so you have to make him into Magneto Lite, but even then his story was not so compelling, so you just kill him in le ebin savior sequence a couple issues after he escapes prison, but then you show he died pathetically like a chump. Like the biggest chump. Like he died so pathetically they had to lie about how he died.But then he was resurrected and everything was forgotten for 5 years. But now they have to do something again with him but there isnt enough character to work with...so Magneto lite again.
>>147127880>Betray everything the character stands for>Pretend it's based because it's cool and epic to say "Cyclops was right"Just admit you don't like Cyclops
>>147128276It's still so weird to see people outright agreeing with the shitty school shooter kid that the nazi twat Magneto was 'right'
>>147128327>Just admit you don't like CyclopsNo.>Betray everything the character stands forName me a big name X-Man who hasn't.>it's cool and epic to say "Cyclops was right"No, it's le epic.
>>147128386>Name me a big name X-Man who hasn't.I can't, it's shit all the way down
>>147128386Nothing epic about how he died and the scott was right plot concluded.
>>147128386>it's epicYou idiots with your edgy fantasies about leading a racewar revolution and taming a whore, celebrating garbage comics and pretending character assassination was a good thing.The worst of it is how most of you are middle class white straight guys self-inserting in a "muh people" minority uprising movement power fantasy without irony or self awareness, as bad as people who simp for Magneto and think he wouldn't indiscriminately kill them.
>>147128524>middle class white straight guysthey are a minority. and there is an uprising movement. yes.
>>147128524>it's epicI never said that. I said it's le epic.Also you're wrong.
>>147128576You didn't have to say it out loud, you Rightclops people are all the same. And it's not even epic. It's just fake and gay.
>>147120761>>X-Book discussion has drastically dropped post-KrakoaNot us Ultimate X-Men fans. AND Ultimate Wolverine drops tomorrow... Ultimate fans are thriving
>>147128635>>Also you're wrong.>You didn't have to say it out loudNo, I'm pretty sure I did.
>>147120825Ignoring the story, what the hell are they doing with the drawing? You don't understand anything about the movements of these characters or what is happening.
>>147126757Dog this whole storyline was just something else. Mday happens and wither thinks he's de powered and injury his crush. Then said crush gets snipped all as a precursor to Messiah complex and wither runs away. THEN we get a follow up issue only for it to be tied to another event arc. What was the writers/ editorial smoking
>>147128817I think the idea is to use deviantart quality artists so that wannabe comic artist fans don't feel so bad about their own work.
>>147128999Garron is just the crappy cheap fill-in for Marquez who's one of their better artists.
>>147128830Yeah that was a lot to take in all at once.
>>147129051Marquez has *become* one of their better artists. His early stuff wasn't that great (pic related), but then he was drawing for Bendis so that may have killed his inspiration.
>>147120761How many supporting mutant characters have they killed for drama? I know they killed the electric Japanese girl. They really are going back to the old ways aren't they?
>>147129629Yeah Surge just got bumped off in X-force. I used to really like her and if I had a fuck to give I might have gotten upset. Always thought she deserved better. Has anyone given a shit?
>>147129683>Already a mutant killed after Krakoa "promised" to stop with the constant murders of the secondariesIt's like they learned literally nothing at all lol
>>147129683>Has anyone given a shit?We all used to at one point.Remember when you used to?But then you read too many comics.And you realized how it's just the same thing over and over again.There are reasons for that. What do you think those reasons are?
>>147129801I can live with the repetition. On some level I find it comforting. But that doesn't mean I'll accept disrespect.
>>147129190He doesn't draw like this anymore, he does a more "twinkified" version of males in general. It's like he would rather be drawing manga now.
>>147129051This is the one for upcoming #10.
>>147129879>Logan ruins another Christmas while Rogue pretends everything is fine
>>147129954I miss thanksgiving
>ASM writers are fucking up so badly that Marvel will undo OMD>From the Ashes writers are fucking up so badly that Marvel will bring back KrakoaHickman can't stop winning, G.O.D.S. is about to get a 50 issue run.
>>147130030Neither of those things are happening
>>147120761I liked X-Men and Uncanny X-Men, but I dropped them when this crossover of all the X-books was announced. No thank you.
>>147130126B-b-but it's a big event. Buy more comics. (please)
>>147130136There's just no scenario where I will pay money to read a Mark Russell book.
>>147130176Fine. Then you are dead to us. Who is your favorite character? We will kill them out of petty spite. (also please buy our comics)
>>147130362Miles Morales
>>147129954I think the issue will be about Gambit. The artist of the book is a big fan of the cajun, so at least it has potential to have good art.I'm glad it's about Gambit. It only took them ten numbers to feature him in his own home state. I trust it can be good, but not even Remy can salvage this mess.
storm is kinda hot
>>147130002Look how well dressed they all are... and then, Gambit.
>>147130136> big event> Rogue and Scott just talk to each other, meanwhile, the rest of the team picrel
>>147130423We're meant to believe Rogue had that dress while going to Mexico for her honey moon and they were travelling around in a rented car.I think they also got the cats with them. LMAO, nothing makes sense any more.
>>147130450She cute
>>147130464What about the mAle gAze.Also,> property of Anna MarieShe travels with that? Seriously? Who's gonna steal it, Remy?
>>147130469I keep forgetting they revealed Rogue's name and then I remember there was never really a reason why it was kept a secret. And also that her name is two first names. This whole thing is stupid and problem movie shit.
I kinda want a comic about xmen villains just doing edgy villainous shit. Has there ever been anything like that?
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>>147130497The explained it by saying that she already was called Rogue even before Mystique took her. So, she's never really used Anna-Marie, it makes no sense she's called that. Gambit even called her "Roguey".
>>147130799It's just kind of a massive anti climax. >Oh did I never say that. tee hee.
>>147130497Wait. Are you saying the name came from the movie?
