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>>147122047
Relevant (again)
https://youtu.be/lIaerdcneZM
https://youtu.be/dr1VJVRsry4

>>147122047
Comics are saved?

I thought you anons say Diamonds taking over made being a comic store harder? So their tactics wasn't financially viable?

>>147122047
>Holds monopoly on comic distribution and has fucked over the medium for ages
>So badly ran it goes bankrupt anyway
Press S to spit

Diamond is a scapegoat, comics were dead because of terrible creative and terrible editorial, and distributing those bogus and unwanted stories this way or that way won't make a difference. I can read comics for free and I still don't.

Didn't PRH take over years ago for both the big two?

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Nobody uses diamond any more dumbass. That’s why they’re bankrupt. It’s been like 2 years.

>>147122047
I wonder who will be the next monopolistic distributor.

>>147122204
They’ve already been replaced by two different distributors. One is literally mentioned two posts above.

>>147122076
>Holds monopoly on comic distribution and has fucked over the medium for ages
What I hate about many anons is you just post the same grand generalisations over and over. You know there were discussions on the Diamond monopoly back in the day right? And whether to break it up? And comic book companies and experts argued against it because it propped up the industry post crash? It's not as simple to say "it ruined comics" when without it the post 90s crash would have been worse.

It is a bit like how people say "comic shops and the direct market ruined comics". Part of the reason why the direct market was so successful was because newsstands would not return unsold copies and instead resell them on different markets, which fucked up publishers profits and sales numbers. And the direct market got rid of this practice.

Like sure, diamond, the market, the shops, have had plenty of issues and problems. But they were also necessary at various times and deserve a full context picture.

>>147122047
as soon as they closed distribution due to Covid this was inevitable for them as that choice led to DC and eventually Marvel looking for other distrubutors

>>147122286
It propped up DC, Marvel and capeshit as their monopoly beneficiaries and locked out everyone else
All other comic genres died even their watch, even Disney barely made anything anymore afterwards

>>147122286
Most anons are 75 IQ retards that just repeat anything they see in green

>>147122316
You're conflating multiple things here. The reason why so many other titles died in the 90s was a result of the crash. Not diamond.

>>147122047
Good riddance tbqhwy. Obviously this can't fix any of the problems within the industry, but it's nice to see them fall.
Rest in piss.

>>147122338
yeah this bankruptcy will change nothing since i think every company has moved to Penguin for distribution

>>147122165
2 years is like 2 seconds. Give me a break

>>147122300
Why did so many people agree to kill themselves? It's a fact I can never look over, and I no longer take anybody seriously, can't put trust in anyone consequently.

go woke go broke

>>147122492
I remember officials in the UK said they would never get away with lockdown policies like they were doing in China. Then northern Italy did it and everyone just blindly went along with it because they realised they could. So we had a shit economy already with entrenched inequality made into an inflationary mess. Just to what? Protect a fraction of the population? Whilst businesses and everything crashed to not ever recover.

>>147122602
I'm not sure Diomand was especially woke in any way

>>147122619
So the healthcare system didn't completely collapse and people didn't start dying from appendicitis or broken bones

>>147122316
>All other comic genres died even their watch
Funny you casuals always claim the CCA did this.

>>147122619
Diomand had the out of being a publication(magazine, papers, etc.)distributor and as such could have legally kept going through Covid but they chose to shut down completely
if DC hadn't announce they had gotten a deal with other companies I'm sure Diomand would have kept its door shut for another couple of months

>>147122492
>Why did so many people agree to kill themselves?
Their life, their choice. Why do you care?

>>147122631
I worked in one of the set up nightingale hospitals which was completely empty and a bad use of resources, which needed to be central in hospitals. The official narratives about healthcare were the problem. The main healthcare problems were:
>They sent old people from hospital straight into care homes without testing.
>Having limited breathing apparatus despite previous pandemic awareness test two years before stating a shortage.
People would not have died from broken bones and appendicitis.

>>147122680
>why do you care about your family, your friends, your community, your coworkers?
>why is trust in others around you important?
Fuck off and kill yourself, retard.

>>147122623
they distributed woke and antiwhite propaganda via marvel and DC

>>147122701
>kill yourself
Oh the irony.

>>147122723
There's no irony. Your type is not needed, just a useless drag on the rest of us. Kill yourself.

>>147122736
Nta, you're not trusting in others or community or caring much though, anon

>>147122286
>newsstands would not return unsold copies and instead resell them on different markets, which fucked up publishers profits and sales numbers
This makes no sense to me.
Newsstand buys 100 copies. Publisher makes 100 sales, gets 100 profits.
Newsstand only sells 75 copies. Publisher still has its 100 sales and 100 profits.
Newsstand sells the remaining 25 copies some other way. Publisher still has its 100 sales and 100 profits.

>>147122492
Crabs in a bucket. Diamond shut down in large part to specific large retailers (Brian Hibbs, for example) on the west coast demanding it. If they couldn't sell comics, they reasoned, no one else should. These same retailers also got publishers to issue pencil down orders, rather than continuing to publish digitally. I said then, as I say now, this was everyone shooting themselves in the foot.
Covid was a big part of this. Comics being awful was a big part of this. But this was a long time coming, ever since Diamond decided to "modernize" a few decades ago, hiring outside consultants to revamp their distribution centers, and raising minimums to kick out a bunch of smaller publishers from Previews. They also propped up many shops by giving them huge credit lines, without actually paying publishers for those comics bought on credit. I believe that plus the shutdown was what ultimately led to DC abandoning ship.

>>147122806
no that's a misunderstanding anon if the newsstand didn't sell it's all of its 100 copies of something then they could rip off the covers and send it back to distributors for a refund on those unsold copies

>>147122638
CCA killed off the edgier stuff like horror or gore comics, but non-capeshit comics still existed. Even kids cartoon character comics were still frequent for decades
Diamond and the DC/Marvel cabal collaboration with them killed off non-capeshit comics for good by locking them out of distribution

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>put out dogshit comics for years
>blame the customers
>comic industry collapses

>>147122806
Newsstands worked differently. A publisher wouldn't get paid for all the copies, and there were deals for unsold comics etc to be returned or refunded. But actually they exploited the market. The distributors for the newsstands exploited things a bunch.

It's part of the reason why comic sales weren't accurate and it took many months to find out how a book truly sold. Like marvel cancelled X-Men due to poor sales but later found out the Neal Adams/Roy Thomas run had an uptick.

>>147122814
was a bit of a boon for non-USA comics like 2000AD though since they kept going through the Pandemic

>>147122082
This.

Capeshit plots being spread across numerous titles is fucking insane. I don't read manga but at least you can pick up books 1 to X and follow the product but with comics you're picking up Fatman #2, then Skinnyman #46, then Largewoman #22 to get the linear story all with different art, writers, characters.

Meanwhile stories showing incredible promise like Highest House fucking die because the core customer base is too small and those who are buying and reading comics are too fucking enamored of capeshit to read something actually well written. This board is exactly representative of how shit comic fans are because nobody here seems to read anything that's good. And I'm not talking about old stuff, I understand people are tired of talking about the good old stuff. I mean nobody talks about the new good shit which means one of two things either everyone here is a fucking only reads capeshit or there isn't any good shit being made anymore.

Christ I remember all the threads for Eight Billion Genies - the number of people defending that shit HERE is why there ought to be no surprise comics are fucking dead. /co/ used to be fucking better and had better taste than to praise something that is as soulless as Supernatural or what Rick and Morty became.

>>147122806
Not that anon, and I don't agree with his general take necessarily. But newsstands do not pay for every copy they receive. Comics were sold on consignment. What didn't sell had their comics ripped off and returned to the publisher as "proof." Some retailers would take advantage of this by shipping back the covers for credit, but still selling the cover-less comic. But obviously, these comics would be sold at a discount. It's not a huge thing, but it is partially responsible for the rise of the direct market, which began as a bunch of collector clubs who bought directly from the publisher specifically because they wanted pristine covers.

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>>147122701
>kill yourself
>>147122736
>Kill yourself
>>147122895
>kill yourself

>>147122872
>capeshitcapeshitcapeshit
>ignoring why the customer base was so small for non capeshit
That would Diamond's express policies, anon.You can't ignore their complicity.

>>147122911
>DUURRR
Yes. Now kill yourself, useless faggot.

>>147122910
>general take
I mean the general take is true that both Diamond and the direct market were necessary at those specific moments in time. But they didn't adapt and change to the market. And now they are obsolete completely, clearly.

This is how natural markets work
Unnecessary cancer like Diamond is replaced by something better structured and it dies out, no matter how long they try to hold out. This is what happens when companies fail as they are intended to

>>147122973
The replacements are just as obsolete though. Really they should take the shops off of life support and kill them and then sell physical directly to consumers or via digital.

>>147122063
I have reached a point in my life where I can't listen to grown men with auts rant in a way that demonstrates they've never actually done a real job that would demand they talk in a normal regular manner.

Because anybody who has done a real job that required any degree of well-adjusted social interaction, which could be as little as sitting down for a beer or meal with coworkers, would have learned how fucking unappealing it is to talk like this.

Who even still used them?

>>147122988
Over time they will, only thing is if they want to do it in their terms or be forced to when the time comes

>>147122989
It is just generalizations and speculation from people constantly telling you the crash is coming, but not through actual analysis. Even an idiot senses things are bad, so one day they'll be right, but it'll never be exactly like they think it will.

We used to shoot the shit with friends about interests. Now that doesn't happen, so people do it vicariously through online commentators, listening to randos online rant and ramble endlessly. Then get mad themselves. And like you said, it is just unappealing. It's rather disgusting when you think about it.

>>147122942
>I mean the general take is true that both Diamond and the direct market were necessary at those specific moments in time.
I do disagree with this.
It was a choice on the part of the big 2. It was a logical choice, it was a good choice at the time, but not an absolute necessity.
What I will agree with is that Diamond rose to meet a demand, and their dominance was largely organic, and people blaming Diamond for the state of the industry are ignoring the much bigger problem - the market itself did not need more than one national distributor.
Diamond is a logistics and fulfillment company. No normal person would be talking about logistics with such emotion were it not for the fact they distributed comics instead of potatoes or hammers.

>>147122994
that's why they went bankrupt

DC and Marvel are the book version of Sears and Kmart
They refuse to adapt to the times that no one wants capeshit anymore and doesn’t want outdated distribution of comics anymore, so it’ll be a long road down until they stop making comics fully

>>147123073
The original distribution methods were flawed, both in the time it took for information to return to them as well as the lost profits. Going to the direct market also pushed them towards their literal sales peak. It's worth noting the original direct market was chopped up because it was deemed a monopoly.

Diamonds monopoly post crash was testified as preventing total collapse of the industry. Again this is well documented.

People moan about the issues because yes, the entrenched industry issues did become problems holding back comics, but it was never as simple as anons would make out. You can't just overturn industries overnight. It has eventually caught up to them.

>>147123065
>Now that doesn't happen
I should have made this clear, but I've grown tired of listening to people talk like this in part because of real-life interactions that sound like these online rants. The thing that has changed is that this sort of unhinged ranting has become present in reality like everyone thinks it looks cool to sound like a late night TV host or John Oliver or Jordan Peterson. Like you're sitting across from someone who is going off, in real life, and I'm just thinking, "I am not Twitter I'm a person and I need you to fucking actually hear the things I'm saying". They're ranting and rambling in real life and despite years of being in proximity to these people they have not actually ever picked up any social skills whatsoever like I wouldn't dare let myself be seen at a party with these people, which probably has a lot to do with why people aren't shooting the shit anymore because I'm not fucking inviting these people to anything.

>>147123212
Parasocial relationships with these YouTubers are becoming training manuals for behaviour. People are obsessed with authenticity but it's all fake. Someone playing a horror game will shriek and scream and play up for the camera then people copy this behaviour as if it's real. Because it's seen as more real than real. And this is why we have that behaviour, like you say, going into real life.

>>147122204
An even bigger monopolistic dinosaur, penguin random house
The narrative is actually the whole opposite, comics are doing so good that penguin started pumping millions into the industry a couple years ago and they just bought a comics publisher, Boom studios which was mismanaged and on the verge of bankruptcy but their intentions are pretty clear

But chuddah what if....

>>147122047
>Diamond Comic Distributors has announced that it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Maryland. This filing is intended to help restructure the company's business.

The press release follows:

>Media Release -- Diamond Comic Distributors ("Diamond" or "the Company"), today announced that it has filed a voluntary petition for relief under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Maryland to facilitate the restructuring of its business. As part of the restructuring process, Diamond has received a $39 million stalking horse bid from an affiliate of Universal Distribution ("Universal") for Alliance Game Distributors.

>The Company has received commitments for up to $41 million in debtor-in-possession (DIP) financing from JP Morgan Chase that will be used to fund post-petition operating expenses and ensure adequate working capital to meet its obligations to associates and suppliers.

>In addition to securing DIP financing, and a stalking horse bid for Alliance Game Distributors, Diamond has received strong interest in its specialized business divisions, having also entered into a Non-Binding Letter of Intent (LOI) with Universal to acquire Diamond UK. Diamond is actively pursuing offers for, and has received interest from potential purchasers for, its other business units, including Diamond Book Distributors, Collectible Grading Authority, and Diamond Select Toys, as well as its main comic, toy, and collectible distribution lines.

>"Diamond has been a linchpin of the comic book industry for over four decades. Our priority has always been to provide quality service to publishers, retailers, and, ultimately, comic fans, and we remain committed to finding additional buyers for our businesses," said President Chuck Parker.

>>147123452
"Universal Distribution is looking forward to working with the Alliance and Diamond UK teams to bring a stronger balance sheet and growth opportunities to retailers and suppliers. Both companies have deep roots in the industry, and we look forward to continuing that into the future," said Angelo Exarhakos, President and CEO of Universal.

>DIAMOND COMIC DISTRIBUTORS: CHAPTER 11 FILING RETAILER FAQ

>1. Why did Diamond Comic Distributors decide to file for Chapter 11?

The unexpected loss of certain exclusive publisher relationships, compounded by an overall contraction in consumer spending, increased inflation, and a loss of margin on key print product lines contributed to this decision. After exploring all available options, Diamond determined that filing for Chapter 11 is the best course of action to restructure its operations and secure the most favorable outcome for all stakeholders.

>2. What were the contributing factors in the industry that led to this decision?

Post-pandemic, the comic book industry at large has seen a decrease in consumer activity paired with rising operating costs, and Diamond is no exception. Shrinking margins, growing expenses, and a decline in sales, as well as the desire to achieve the best possible outcome for the majority of our vendors, customers, and employees all contributed to this decision.

>3. What is Chapter 11? Does this mean the company is closing?

A Chapter 11 filing is generally an action a company takes to protect its ongoing business from financial claims while it continues operations. During Chapter 11 proceedings, the company typically reorganizes financially and manages its operations to best meet the claims of those to whom it owes money. Diamond has received funding from its lender to enable it to meet post-filing obligations and continue to operate while it goes through this process.

>>147123459
>4. Is there another company taking over?

As part of the restructuring process, the Company has received a stalking horse bid from Universal Distribution for Alliance Game Distributors and signed a letter of intent with the same company to buy Diamond UK. We are also actively pursuing offers for additional Diamond Comic Distributors assets and lines of business, including our comic, toy and collectible distribution, Diamond Book Distributors, Collectible Grading Authority, and Diamond Select Toys.

>5. How will I be impacted as a customer?

Diamond Comic Distributors will continue to fill orders and operating business as usual during this process. We are currently in discussions with companies inside and outside of our industries to acquire parts of Diamond. Our goal is to minimize any potential impact on retailers and ensure the continued, uninterrupted flow of products.

According to our customary practice, we will continue to invoice once a product ships.

Product cannot be returned once it has been shipped except in the case of publisher return programs and our standard defective product replacement policy.

>6. What happens to my pending orders? How can I confirm their status?

Pending orders will be processed as usual unless otherwise communicated. You can confirm the status of your pending orders by visiting the Reports section of the Retailer Services Website. This section will continue to provide up-to-date information on Orders, Shipments, and Invoices.

>7. Will there be any changes to how credits or refunds will be handled?

Credits for returns will continue to be processed on the usual schedule. If you have prepay credit terms, orders for products that are canceled will be credited to your account. No cash refunds will be issued and all credits must be used toward future purchases.

>>147122806
>Newsstand buys 100 copies. Publisher makes 100 sales, gets 100 profits
That’s not how it works retard.

>>147123466
>8. Should I continue paying my outstanding invoices to Diamond?

Yes, all outstanding invoices, back debt payments, and payment plans remain due and payable under the usual terms and schedule and should be paid. For specific questions regarding your account, please open a support ticket on the Retailer Services Website.

>9. Will my retailer discount tiers or terms (e.g., payment terms, credit limits) remain unchanged during this process?

At this time, all credit terms and retailer discount tiers remain unchanged.

>10. Will Diamond still facilitate Free Comic Book Day this year? If not, are there contingency plans?

At this time, Diamond remains committed to supporting Free Comic Book Day (FCBD) as planned. We understand the importance of this event for retailers and fans alike and will be working closely with participating publishers to ensure the event proceeds as smoothly as possible.

However, as we navigate the restructuring process, there may be changes or adjustments. In the event Diamond is unable to fully facilitate FCBD, we will be actively exploring contingency plans to ensure that stores can still receive materials and participate in this critical event.

Updates will be provided as more details become available.

>11. Are my Alliance Game Distributors orders impacted?

Alliance Game Distributors will continue operating as usual throughout this process. Your current and future orders with Alliance will not be impacted.

>12. What about my Diamond order data?

Diamond will continue providing order data for your records as per our usual practice.

>13. What will happen with ComicSuite and Pullbox?

Retailers using ComicSuite and / or Pullbox will receive further communication about these tools as more information becomes available.

>14. What will happen with the PREVIEWS catalog?

As this process moves forward, we will announce any changes to PREVIEWS as more information is available.

>>147122814
>Diamond shut down in large part to specific large retailers (Brian Hibbs, for example) on the west coast demanding it
Retarded suggestion. They shut down because they lost their two biggest accounts who made up 60-70 percent of their business.

>>147122837
Neither of these statements is true. Watch less YouTube videos.

>>147123114
>outdated distribution of comics
Why do retards say this as if they don’t have digital options and paperbacks?

>>147122047
>Diamond dies
Okay whatever
>Suddenly remember the amount of lost information if Previewsworld dies as well
Fug

>>147123498
Because they’re not speaking from lived experience. 90 percent to the shared opinions about comics and the industry are just parroted things people heard on a podcast, YouTube channel or in tweets.

>so little people gove a shit op is reposting the whole thing.
Let me guess, you have a youtube essay about this

>>147123498
Floppies still account for a larger amount of the market by value than people will admit.

Best comics news I've heard in YEARS. What a fantastic start to 2025. Rest in piss, Diamond, may you never rise again to haunt the industry with your monopolistic practices and ass-backward business model.

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>>147123598
Bone literally is as successful as it got BECAUSE it pursued broader distribution opportunities
Marvel and DC have paperbacks sure but they're too expensive, aren't reprinted frequently, and suck compared to what fucking Panini publishes and digital got fucked by Amazon gutting Comixology

>>147123598
>90 percent to the shared opinions about comics and the industry are just parroted things people heard on a podcast
I don't hate the fact there's a consensus in regards of how to interpret events. What I hate about things is that all comics media, podcasts, and YouTubers are intellectually stunted people who sit there and repeat the same fucking line for 20 minutes like Jim Sterling such that I don't fucking trust their interpretation of anything even if it's something I would agree with.

Christ the comics YouTubers are fucking disgusting people but this is true of any medium nowadays the top results with the most views are fucking awful fucking people. Stretching out a point for 10 minutes to get the ad revenue is so bad.

>>147122286
>And comic book companies and experts argued against it because it propped up the industry post crash?
Why are you acting like this is some kind of gotcha? Wowee, the two biggest comic publishers who benefited the most from monopolistic price fixing and bundling wanted to continue the monopoly? GEE WILLICKERS!

How's Lunar compared to Diamond?

>>147123684
>Why are you acting like this is some kind of gotcha?
I'm not. I know you like to read stuff as an attack but it really wasn't, seriously. I'm simply saying that all these stories and histories are far more complicated than the single serving statements anon declare. That's all.

It wasn't a price fixing situations, the industry almost completely crashed because of the bad business practices and speculation. Again, you're misrepresenting the situation. This is why these discussions are pointless.

>>147123498
Because their digital options and paperbacks SUCK you corporate bootlicking retard.

>>147123713
>nuh uh I'm right and you're wrong and I won't explain myself I'm just the smartest guy in the room is all
Go fuck yourself, nitwit.

>>147123675
>Bone literally is as successful as it got BECAUSE it pursued broader distribution opportunities
Name the ones it pursued that the big 2 haven’t been operating in for 3 decades.

>>147123713
>Again, you're misrepresenting the situation
I’ll be fair with them they heard a few of those remarks made on, as I said above in another reply, podcasts, YouTube channels and in tweets and took it as marching orders to disseminate ad nauseam.

Most of them truly don’t know the history of the industry.

>>147123753
Scholastic Bookfairs which Marvel and DC are late to capitalize on
The entirety of Bone can be sold through bookfairs which you can't say the same for entire runs of the mainline Spider-Man series
Bone being able to capitalize on better distribution is more apparent when you remember it wasn't even the first all-ages comic, just the one that managed to get itself out there and be sold beyond niche hobby stores

>>147123779
And even before that, some of Bone got reprinted in Disney Adventures during the 90s, which had a larger reach than most comics

>>147123779
*first all-ages indie comic

>>147123779
>Scholastic Bookfairs which Marvel and DC are late to capitalize on
That’s not true at all, I want the exact dates/years to prove your point.

>>147123798
The color editions Scholastic released were first published in 2005

>>147123779
NTA but scholastic only allows scholastic material to be sold at their book fairs. Marvel and DC paperbacks were always (and still) barred for that reason, until they entered partnerships for scholastic-chosen writers to make original stories for them.

I’m not sure why you don’t know that.

>>147123821
>NTA but scholastic only allows scholastic material to be sold at their book fairs.
I remember seeing fucking Transformers comics (the original IDW Beast Wars to be exact) at an elementary school book fair as a kid

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>>147123785
>Bone being able to capitalize on better distribution
Absofuckinglutely. Bone is the only fucking thing from the comics world I've ever been able to gift to kids and have them actually pick it up because their parents could find the other issues or the omnibus with zero friction.

Even when you go to the bookstore and look for "Spiderman" you're hit with a wall of disjointed stories where if you just picked one up randomly it might not even be the Spiderman you like. You can't fucking pick up a random Batman because you liked the movies and get Christian Bale or even TAS Batman you might end up with sad-fuck Batman surrounded by his sad-fuck allies.

I don't even think Bone ended well but that doesn't fucking matter because it started off so strong and was accessible enough so that parents could get it. I know someone who worked at a big bookstore and countless times she saw parents and grandparents pick up a superhero comic and just put it down immediately disgusted because it looked like smut and violence with Ivy or Catwoman's tits just slathered all over the first page.

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>>147123816
Pic rel is from 04

>>147123838
I don’t care about your convenient and unsubstantiated memories, that has always been their policy.

>>147123869
Nigga I read those
Those are fucking picture books for early reader training

>>147123864
>have them actually pick it up because their parents could find the other issues or the omnibus with zero friction.
These are separate issues and it feels more like your retarded ass just likes bone and recommends it for that reason.

There are THOUSANDS of minis, OGNs and one off comics collected in paperback format from the big 2 that are fit for children.

>>147123895
The point you made above was
>Scholastic Bookfairs which Marvel and DC are late to capitalize on
This release predates bone color editions being sold in 05 as per >>147123816

>>147123916
Those are literal picture books
No different from the type of basic licenseshit based on shows made to help kids start reading
This isn't even comparable to the actual DCAU comics

>>147123909
>There are THOUSANDS of minis, OGNs and one off comics collected in paperback format from the big 2 that are fit for children.
And are those comics accessible and affordable at the same level of Bone?

>>147122051
>Chud Parker
lmao
typical parker luck

>>147123916
Picture books like those may make a kid aware of the character but rarely bring them into comics

Bone was published in its comic form, through Scholastic

>>147122047
>The age of floppies has come to an end.
So, what will be the future comic format?

>>147123947
I don't know how someone could claim that there's shit for children when it's impossible to shake the perception that none of the shit on the shelf is at all appropriate for children.

https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog?cat=3

I can't believe I'm making this point but Emma's glorious tits just can't seem to not be a feature of anything - good luck convincing people there's a kid friendly variant of this product. Half the Spiderman covers are just going to make people say, "that's not Spiderman".

>>147124035
I can't believe there are that many Red Sonja and Vampirella products coming out right now.

>it's for kids
Laughable

>>147124057
The people who use the direct market are 40 somethings who remember the time before the crash
Zoomers don't go to LCS'

>>147122872
>I mean nobody talks about the new good shit
Because it isn't real, there hasn't been a good comic in twenty years. When people talk about good comics now they mean good for a comic.

>>147123476
That was in reference to the shutdown during Covid.

>>147123961
kek

>>147122814
>this was everyone shooting themselves in the foot
You could say this about so many decisions in the American comic industry. It's actually quite astounding.

That doesn't matter retard.
/A/ won

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>>147122069
No.

>>147124380
I hate to see this because manga is really gay and awful, and the people who enjoy it are always subhuman

>>147124388
>can't discern between children's literature and comic books
This board in general is obsessed with kid media.

>>147122492
You're honestly just as useless as everyone else on here. You should probably kill yourself too, fag.

>>147124366
>>147124380
This isn’t even /a/ specific, give Dog Man or whatever else. There’s one trend that is very clear:
Capeshit is no longer relevant or wanted compared to other genres, and the big publishers basically have to retire making all superhero comics if they ever want to compete

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>>147124397
Just another fad. In a few months I expect we'll see another drop.

>>147124442
I mean, they still sell. There's no reason to retire something that still sells. But there is pretty good argument for not making capes the tentpole of your publishing business, and to invest in other areas.

>>147124397
At least the Manga is less gay and BBC loving than the west

>>147124538
I can take one look at the fans and tell you it isn't.

>>147124546
/co/pe harder
Hahaha

>>147124560
Your father copes with his son being a faggot

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>>147124607
>pocky fag mall ninja shit
https://youtu.be/VKMw2it8dQY

>>147123483
Check some sales reports, Scrooge used to be one of the top selling comic book characters.

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>>147124510
They're the big fish in the small pond of the shrinking floppy market, but looking at graphic novels, the non-cape stuff made for kids is dominating. Ditko saw it before he died. Hell, Stan said that when he created the Fantastic Four and went all-in on superheroes he also thought they would be another quickly-ending fad like cowboys and Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon-style spacemen. Just took them a while longer.

>>147124607
I don't see much of a difference here. Both look like shit.

>>147124773
Post these “sales reports” anon by all means.

>>147125162
/co/pe & seethe

Goy, bye!

>>147124773
The comic company that was publishing Disney licensed comics died long before the direct market took over, largely due to how newstands and store sales were failing the industry. The direct market helped float it.

>>147125296
Animation is shit and you're just as shit for liking it.

>>147125182
https://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/postaldata/1960.html

>>147122165
This. DC left and Marvel was doubling down on Diamond and then they left and at best a bunch of smaller publishers are still with it but that's not going to help them stay in business.

>>147124465
Two more weeks!

Doesn't make a difference. Five times as many people are reading their comics from right to left. Western publishers insisted on doubling down.

>>147122047
That's great news, floppies are pointless these days

Always happy to see another casualty of the covid death cult.

>>147125856
Didn't some guy from Image say that DC was "sociopathic" for leaving Diamond and going exclusive with Lunar, and now Image is exclusive with Lunar?

>>147123728
Again you attack me, if you have a question and want an explanation I'll give you one anon.

>>147126036
>*Manga

>>147122082
>>147122872
some of these are the same absurd nonsense that some anons have been regurgitating for years now.
no one cares, except for the three of you that keep arguing this back and forth.
and MORE IMPORTANTLY, it has nothing to do with other basic issues, like lCSs being a dying way to find/buy much less sell any form of sequential art.
Or the direct market has been propped up and unsustainable for years.

>>147124426
Well it's the cartoons and comics board, both mediums are exclusively for kids.

>>147126756
This thread happens every other day with the same comments and same anons. Even what you just said has been said a thousand times or more.

>>147122047
>First month of the year, Diamond goes bankrupt
Based. Hasbro dead next?

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>>147122047
yipee

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Will a manga company buy Diamond?

>>147124607
Bottom looks better

MangaCHADS WON.

>>147127242
crunchyroll

>>147122850
>>147122910
Thanks for the explanation, I do appreciate it.

But it still makes no sense to me to say that it screwed up publishers profits and sales numbers.
I did a little reading up after seeing your explanations, and it looks like the system is like that for comics and other magazines precisely because numbers and profits are not what matters.
Apparently, the real revenue is from ads, and ad prices are based on how many copies you print, not how many get sold. So you'd print many more than you ever intended to sell, because the ad revenue more than makes up for cost of extra printing. And you didn't want the shops to feel cheated, so you used the returned covers to make sure they only paid for what they sold. (And a couple other variations on that same theme.) And you'd just pulp the magazines they sent back, because you didn't need them.

So when anon says
>newsstands would not return unsold copies and instead resell them on different markets, which fucked up publishers profits and sales numbers
is what he means
>newsstands would not return unsold copies, which meant publishers still got the same ad revenue. They also got extra sales numbers, which meant extra sales revenue, so they were even better off. And because the vendors didn't send back the unsold copies, they weren't getting credited for them, so nobody was cheating the system. Everyone came out ahead (except the advertisers).
because it still makes no ducking sense.

>>147123467
You're a pissy one, aren't you? You have my pity.

>>147127281
Yeahhh
Das rite
/co/cksuckers get mad

>>147127296
/co/ can't compete

>>147124607
>Cropped tweets from 10 years ago

>>147127716
>>147127777
Says the seething /a/sslicker lol

>>147127777
>Quads
I kneel

>>147128009
/co/cksuckers must kneel before CH/A/D

>>147128097
You're already kneeling before /co/

>>147128097
that's what I said to your mom last night before I knocked her up with my massive /co/ck

>>147128126
Ur mad?
:(
Kek
How good it feels to be a winner
A CH /A/ D

>>147127592
In the 60s the big comics publishing companies needed to know how much to send to the printers. They used a national distributor who had relationships with local wholesalers, who tended to control a local area, e.g. a town or city, who then went down to retailers. The national distributor would decide how many "draws" (amounts of comics) each local wholesalers would get. (Some wholesalers chose their own draw amounts.) The retail margin on comics was relatively small and local wholesalers would just estimate numbers based on previous month sales. Nowadays number 1 issues sell well but in the past it was harder to estimate how many issues a comic would sell. Estimates weren't properly analysed because the margins were low they didn't care. Publishers didn't use national distributor numbers but the actual sold amount, because publishers used to have returns. So they'd try to print the right amount of comics based off of these figures. So local wholesalers would drop off the comics and pick up the unsold ones. The retailers would pay the wholesalers for the amount they actually sold. The local wholesalers would pay the national distributor. The distributor would pay the publisher an advance, then either pay more if they sold more or reduce the next advance if they sold less. So these sales were essentially done on credit, via advances. Publishers then may sell their returns to other markets, back issue services or destroy them. Because of the low margins, they eventually allowed the local wholesalers to tear off just the covers of unsold comics and just return the covers as proof of unsold books. These comics without covers were meant to be trashed but many retailers kept them and sold them. And some local wholesalers did the same thing. It was against their contracts but no one could track it.

>>147128541
So what the issue? Let us say the draw is 100,000, so Marvel print 100,000, the local wholesalers might distribute only a percentage, let's say half or 50,000. Grocery stores etc would get a few copies, some stores would get little and don't care because of the low margins. Let's say they sold a good percentage of that, 40,000. Marvel would get paid for those 40,000 but the 60,000 comics kept by retailers or local wholesalers could then be resold with no money passing to Marvel. Eventually it stopped being covers being ripped off and only half the covers. Then it just became affidavits swearing they were telling the truth.

The direct market was a more.. direct approach selling to speciality stores. They agreed to buy comics directly from the publishers at a huge discount but with crucially with no returns. They wanted to provide reliable numbers and better quality (no ripped covers, no random amounts to grocery stores but precise numbers so Billy could always find what he wanted). So over a decade the direct market became a monopoly.

>>147122047
Diamond hasn't been the primary distributor for ANY relevant American comic publisher in half a decade. This affects NOTHING.

>>147128591
So it's worth noting that unsold copies being sold had a huge effect not just on a publisher receiving no money back but also on future printing run estimates, wastage and other thing. The margins were low and all these companies were constantly essentially credited against each other making a very precarious position.

>>147128356
Said that to your mom too

>>147122165
It's been longer than that.

>>147122204
Diamond was never a monopoly. You're an idiot.

>>147122082
This poster gets it.

>>147128861
The US government literally said they were a monopoly, and only didn't break them up because they were a monopoly for comics but not books overall

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>>147128902
>The US government literally said they were a monopoly

No, they didn't. They even acknowledged that comics were not big enough of an industry to support multiple (profitable) distributors.

GO BACK 2 REDDIT, YOU LITERAL FAGGOT.

>>147122837
I was wonder what the best selling graphic novel/trade paperback from DC is. Do you think it sold 10,000,000 copies?

Because Graphix, the comic book side of Scholastic, have sold over 10 millions Bone TPBs. So there is a very real chance that more people will know about the Great Cow Race than "Dog. Dog with head split in half."

>>147122047
I hope the comic book industry dies and all artists become homeless prostitutes and drug addicts, I don't care

>>147129153
I want to see them on Facial/A/buse™

>>147122837
Delusional nonsense.

>>147122047
Lot of retards in here believe they know how the industry works, what happened, why this is good or bad, etc. Just do like manga. Just put spinner racks in grocery stores again. Just do this. Just do that.

Here's a simple reason why this happened for morons to understand - Diamond had exclusive contracts with DC, marvel, etc for many years after collapse of comics in 90s. This contract was pretty iron clad - even marvel and dc couldnt get out of it. With one exception. Diamond couldnt miss a single week of publishing under any circumstances. If there are books to sell, they are distributed.

Enter covid. Diamond missed its first week of publishing and only the one week during covid. DC jumped all over this and terminated the exclusive contract and started using Walmart, etc. Marvel and image eventually followed suit.

This is why diamond is filing chapter 11 now. Their monopoly and exclusive distribution contracts were broken and they fell apart under their own weight and spite from publishers.

>>147129033
>They even acknowledged that comics were not big enough of an industry to support multiple (profitable) distributors.
So monopoly, but not a notable enough industry to take any action
So what was said

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>thread about comic industry
>its either /a/ shitposters or people plugging their ears saying everything will be fine
>it happens 10 times every week

>>147129264
To any grocery chain. I repeat, NO grocery store is interested in that demonic, jewish, horribly drawn garbage that is ((western comics)). Stock is not sold and refunds cannot be obtained. The manga sells a little better. waaaay better than western shit.

>>147129313
>people plugging their ears saying everything will be fine
People aren't plugging their ears, anon. No one is saying things are fine, we are just sick of culture warriors constantly screaming about a crash. Like sure, one day the big crash will come, we all know it, but faggots who scream about it every other day are obnoxious, unappealing and make for poor conversation. Diamond hasn't been the big dog for many years now. The problem is faggots have to come into every single thread with the same bait and won't let anyone talk about anything.

Why doesn't anyone on /co/ try to save the comics industry? Surely someone here is talented enough!

>>147127592
>But it still makes no sense to me to say that it screwed up publishers profits and sales numbers.
It makes sense. It was not as big a factor as the other anon believes, but it was big enough a factor to drive comics to the non-returnable system (keep in mind that the publisher essentially loses two sales - a comic is not returned, and a reader does not buy a new copy because they got the cover-less one). You're also incorrect in assuming comics was wholly sustainable by ads at that time.
There are three things that make the ad-supported magazine/phone book model work: economy of scale, ad rates and conversion, and density of ads. Comics cannot compete with regular magazines in all three. There were not enough readers to justify larger print runs. Color on every page makes comics more expensive to print. As comics evolved from newspaper strips to modern layout and long form story telling, there were fewer spots to put ads. The readership itself did not attract advertisers willing to pay high rates - you don't see car ads in comics.
The floppy is essentially a compromise, something that exists between periodical magazines and books, but compares poorly to both. That is why the big two pivoted to appeal to collectors and hardcore fans, which created the need for a dedicated comic shop that guaranteed buyers an unblemished comic, and guaranteed publishers that a sale is a sale.

>>147129810
>It makes sense. It was not as big a factor as the other anon believes,
It was a bit factor, anon. Because it wasn't just lost sales. Sales numbers literally decided the future printing numbers too, anon. So it was a much grander sustainability issue.

>>147129925
>It was a bit factor
*Big factor

>>147129264
>listen to government fearmongering propaganda for one week
>completely destroy your entire business
Oh this makes me so happy

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>Brian Hibbs of San Francisco store Comix Experience reminded us "There are a LOT of people who were actively rooting for Diamond comics to fail. Well, your wishes appear to be coming true, as Diamond files for Chapter 11, and this is going to be TRULY dire news for the Direct Market, at least in the short and medium term. Say "Goodbye" to most smaller publishers, and "so long" for the right opportunities for a majority of smaller and unproven creators. Never EVER forget that the blame for this falls directly upon DC Comics, and we should never forget this, or ever withhold that blame.
Remember to buy some DC comics this week to thank them for killing Diamond.

>>147122047
>>147122051
S

>>147129810
>>147129925
Like here's an example of how it would happen. Let's say you print 35,000 comics, you send them to distributor who sends them to wholesalers who send them to retail. And let's say you sell 30,000 but 5,000 are unsold and "returned" and then sold by the wholesaler. You get paid for 30,000 books not 35,000. You've not just lost out on 5,000 sales but the trickle of money effects your next advance from the distributor too, to compensate for the advanced payment they gave you based on expected sales. And sales figures take time to get back to you and in the intervening time you still have to print numbers on figures from several issues ago. So let's say your comic book sold 30,000 issues a few issues ago, then you gauge drop off. But you're also not counting books that did actually sell because they aren't included as they were returned and resold. So you've essentially wasted printing those books you didn't get paid for. Then you compensate by say lowering the print run. You'll anger customers who did want to read the issue but won't get one because you overcompensated in lower prints. And all this process happened over time with low margins. Saying it was not a "big factor" is just wrong.on your part.

>>147129276
No, that's literally the opposite of what happened.

>>147129264
Diamond's primary business has never been comics. It's a downturn in everything they were distributing that ultimately destroyed them.

>>147130075
This has literally no effect on anything. You are a gullible idiot.

>>147129810
You're missing a lot of stuff and your conclusions are heavily wrong, but this is still one of the few posts in the thread by anyone who even slightly knows what they're talking about.

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>>147129081
Watchmen sells.
>2007: George Gene Gustines is reporting in the New York Times that DC Comics has “printed 900,000 additional copies of the novel (Watchmen) since the (Watchmen movie) trailer began running in mid-July."
>The Times article also quotes Levitz as indicating that the total print run for Watchmen this year will be “more than a million copies.”

Considering Watchmen has been in perpetual print since 1987 or so. And there have been individual years that have sold a million copies. It's pretty fair to say as a whole it's sold easily more than 10 million. Not counting deluxes, artists editions, anniversary versions etc.

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>>147129356
>NO grocery store is interested in that demonic, jewish, horribly drawn garbage that is ((western comics))

>>147129081
>Because Graphix, the comic book side of Scholastic, have sold over 10 millions Bone TPBs. So there is a very real chance that more people will know about the Great Cow Race than "Dog. Dog with head split in half."
I always wonder this because it's been selling like crazy for scholastic for decades now, and yet, I've yet to see anyone in person who actually read Bone.
Other kids books series, you can have a discussion for. Millenials gather around for Animorphs threads on this site, late millenials and early zoomers will talk about Percy Jackson, Zoomers talk Wimpy kid. Holes, Hatchet, all those standard 90's-2000s books from the same time. And yet, even on the Comic Book board, I barely see active Bone threads
So what is it? how is Bone selling so much and yet has no memes or pop culture references?

>>147122047
>>147122051
Good. Fuck 'em. They did more harm to the comic industry by strong arming every LCS I've ever had.

>>147131878
The 90's comic boom was a big money laundering scam anon.
Diamond just swooped in and took advantage when people were still reeling from the reality that they weren't as popular as they claim and the fake gold rush DC Marvel and others perpetuated.

The comic industry NEVER recovered from this. Even when the comic book movie thing was huge and they had all the opportunity to just print MCU DCEU and Teentitans go comics to sell as big books they never tried.

The comic inudstry isn't dying or imploding. The big two comic industry is 100% dead now.
It's a sub niche industry that is only surviving as a luxury hobby for a now rapidly dying and drying up group of boomers and a few millenials.

The only comics that are really thriving are the non-cape comics comics like watchmen bone the walking dead, the sandman, a few others. Stuff you can sit on your coffee table or lend out for others to read.
Good stuff that will stand the test of time.

Comics are pretty much over and are just kept afloat as a prototyping stage for for the valuable IP. That's all.

>All those Previewsworld catalog information that might become lost media
>But nobody fucking cares because comics are below fucking snack food commercials when it comes to media preseveration

>>147122063
Whoa thought that was Greta Thundberg from the thumbnail

>>147129264
This, Diamond were notorious shitheads and have nobody to blame but themselves.

>>147127242
Why would they?

>>147124835
Ditko sounds psychotic.

>>147123667
You are beyond retarded.

>>147124835
Based Ditko

>>147128591
>So over a decade the direct market became a monopoly.

NO, IT DIDN'T, YOU FUCKING RETARD.

>>147131956
>The big two comic industry is 100% dead now.
>It's a sub niche industry that is only surviving as a luxury hobby for a now rapidly dying and drying up group of boomers and a few millenials.
>Comics are pretty much over and are just kept afloat as a prototyping stage for for the valuable IP. That's all.
This

>>147131153
Wal-Mart employee here.

NO ONE buys those. We don't carry (most of) them anymore, and we only ever did because WB talked the corporate offices into carrying them. But they're a waste of shelf space.

>>147131246
Scholastic doesn't sell to customers. They sell to SCHOOLS. And the teachers unions decide what is ordered and how much of it gets ordered. So "sales" aren't based on what people are reading, they're based on what you can convince the schools to hand over tax dollars in exchange for.

(And yes, I'm exaggerating and generalizing, but my point stands.)

>>147131956
>now rapidly dying and drying up group of boomers and a few millenials

You're talking about people 35-55. They are not by any means "dying". Stop parroting cliches, you literal retard.

>>147131956
>non-cape comics like watchmen

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>>147132496
They also put them near the toys. And they failed because no one gives a shit about comics.

>>147132567
Look at those covers.
Who in the fuck is that for?

>>147132535
A full deconstruction so thorough it might as well not be a cape comic.

>>147132527
55+ are the dying ones.
The drying up group are the 55 and under. And they are shedding readers daily with no one under 35 coming in.

Comics are dead with the normals and no one in comics cares or knows how to sell to the normals at all.
Geoff Johns is basically a godking in the comic space. But when he was given free reign in movies he just pulled the dumbest fucking shit ever and not only ruined his own career he helped shit tank both GL and the DCEU.

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>>147132677
>A full deconstruction so thorough it might as well not be a cape comic.

I don't buy into the doomer shit about how comics are dead and can never be rejuvenated. There's still great stuff being published. Someone just has to figure out how to make it more popular. What's the way to get books in front of more people, and hopefully make them more affordable. All it takes is one person with a vision to make it work.

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>>147132677
>A full deconstruction so thorough it might as well not be a cape comic.

>>147132937
to be fair he probably looks more like pic related

>>147132949
>I don't buy into the doomer shit about how comics are dead and can never be rejuvenated
I don't think any serious person is saying that. Rather it's that the mainstream is dead, or the direct market is dead, or the floppy is dead. Sure, there's exaggeration and dramatic flair to that if you took it literally, but the point is that the industry is in a significant downturn, and it has been that way for a long stretch of time. No one has been able to address it substantively other than to leave the direct market and find success elsewhere.
Let's be honest here, when people talk about comics on /co/, they don't mean manga, they don't mean Dogman or any of the Scholastic books. They mean floppies from the big 2 or 3, and the comic stores that sell them. That's what /co/ wants to save, when thus far every successful solution has been to not be those very things.
The comics industry doesn't actually have to turn things around. It just needs to accept a new standard of survival, which is what it has continually done. The belts can always be pulled tighter, artist and writer pay can always be shittier, sales can always be more embarrassing, fans can always gaslight themselves harder, and there can always be less ambition to change.

>>147132949
>All it takes is one person with a vision to make it work.
And a whole lot of money.

>>147133130
It is. The industry has refused to evolve and it's suffering because of it. It doesn't have to be that way though. Yeah the MCU being the biggest thing on earth is over, but these characters are still popular. Even more obscure Marvel characters that weren't in any movies are getting buzz because of Marvel Rivals. People can be made interested in comics. I think the big issues are that they need to be available outside of specialty shops, and they need to be cheaper. That's really it. And as soon as they get a single person in there who is willing to try things instead of just gradually decline, comics can be made much more successful than they are now. It takes a change of strategy, but that's possible.

>>147122047
Sad!

>>147123821
>>147123885
Scholastic bookfairs sell non-scholastic books
>t: I have kids

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>>147131153
>>147132567
>>147132677
Nobody buys that shit. We live in a world /A/
Japanese people at least read and support their official industry and doujin scene

>>147132496
Don't worry Target, Bestguy, Lidl or Aldi will carry them.

>>147135142
in your dreams maybe
/co/cksucker

>>147132515
kek, it'd be funny to think all this time all the hype for Bone sales was just for schools and it's all just rotting away untouched in classrooms as bookshelf filler.
I know as a kid I would never be interested in that lame looking shit. I wanted to see guys beating each other up and sexy girls, not some generic looking cartoon with fantasy mixed in.

>>147135407
Thissss

Apparently Diamond was corrupt as fuck, I hope they'll go under

https://youtu.be/waJPF9sS918

>>147122047
>Diamond Bankrupt
Good.

>>147132677
>A full deconstruction so thorough it might as well not be a cape comic.

Watchmen is literally unreadable unless you're already familiar with comic tropes and cliches. This is why the movie had such lukewarm reception. The story doesn't make sense for people who don't already read comics.

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>>147131956
Even in your post you are mixing up "comics" with "big 2 comics"

As you said, stand alone graphic novels sell well, especially ones for kids.

>>147123212
If the way they talk makes you uncomfortable, have you considered communicating with these people?

>>147123212
If the way they talk makes you uncomfortable, have you considered communicating with these people to convey that? Communicating expectations, boundaries and desires is key to any relationship, even a casual friendship .

>>147135630
It sells well for schools perhaps. The graphic novel is also dead. autobiographical shit or very leftist shit

>>147132360
You're factually incorrect, the first direct market was a monopoly

>Seuling maintained a virtual monopoly on comics distribution, until a lawsuit brought by New Media/Irjax in 1978.[17] Irjax sued DC, Marvel, Archie, and Warren for their anti-competitive arrangement with Seagate.[18] As a result of the suit, Irjax eventually acquired "a sizable chunk of the direct-distribution market,"[17] and many of Seulings's sub-distributors left Sea Gate to become independent distributors.

>>147135659
"Selling books you don't like" is not the same thing as "Not selling." Graphic novel sales are quite strong. Telmaiger and Pikley are generational successes.

>>147122047
Good.

i hope their lawyer dropped the envelope containing the paperwork so they had to file with beat to shit documents

>>147134980
>me and the boys.jpg

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>Diamond bankrupt
>Gaiman is a pedo
>mfw thinking how many comic collections burned up in LA
Damn what a good ass week

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Really, the boomerbrained people in this industry and their single-minded obsession with floppies and the direct market/comic book shops is what is fucking things up.

Marvel is finally putting out the Mighty Marvel Masterworks, which are cheaper and smaller collections, which is good!

Buuuut good luck finding them. They're not at Barnes and Noble, not near me anyway.

>>147135470
This video is fucking kino. Perch is great. He deserves a better comic industry than he has.

>>147135470
Nice

>>147122872
>Christ I remember all the threads for Eight Billion Genies - the number of people defending that shit HERE
Seethe more, and make sure to add The Lucky Devils to your pull box

>>147123947
beyond delusional

>>147122047
I'm amazed that a board dedicated to comics can know this little about the comics business.

Diamond hasn't really distributed comics in years.

>>147122047
Whole lot of too little, too late. Comics industry is still completely fucked.

This should have happened in 2007 or so to have a hope of reigniting the comic industry again.

>>147122047
Great this will just keep Penguin/Random House alive and that's a publisher that should've died decades ago but won't as long as it keeps getting that Warner Bros funding. Fuck that

>>147122082
>>147122872
I want to know why all cape comics turned into talky drama. What the fuck, why is every writer wanting to make some hard hitting personal drama that only has someone in a costume for like 1-2 pages at best.

Action comics out today, only a single page of Superman in a fucking super suit and he never even punched Major Disaster. Then the whole rest of the issue is Clarke chatting with various villains about how their personal lives suck, they are addicted to things weepy sob story shit.

What the fucking Fuck?

Nobody.
Is.
Reading.
Action.
Comics.
For.
The.
Drama.

>>147140507
Because OP and others are morons copying what they heard from Youtube videos and old posts from the 2010s

>>147124465
Boy, that finale to My Hero Academia really cratered the fucking manga genre in the West, didn't it?

>>147124607
Hey anon, tell me, how much did those two movies gross?

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>>147127296
>>147127777
>MANGA CHADS WO-*ACK*

>>147140945
It's everywhere now. In all media. We can never have a very simple, easy good guy vs bad guy story any longer. It MUST be shades of gray everywhere, if there is even a villain at all.

>Last couple Disney, Dreamworks, Illumination, and Pixar movies cannot even have a villain or plot, it is all generational trauma and parents/grandparents being mean
>Comics are largely relationship drama and portraying supervillains as innocent victims of circumstance, therefore it's immoral to have a hero hit them
>Video games are dramatic cutscenes in between long periods of wandering around walking in empty buildings and doing nothing but...opening doors and wandering around some more
>Cartoons are just a complete fucking mess where everything goes swimmingly and there is no conflict

Why the fuck are all writers like this now? Why can't escapism BE escapism?

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>>147140945
It's like this for everything nowadays. TV Shows, movies, even talk shows now are just talking about petty dogshit personal drama no one cares about. Part of me just likes to think it's bad writing, but it's too concerted to be a coincidence. It's because all these dipshits went through the brainwashing academy that is modern college, and turned into a meek, feminized, retard, that finds violence "problematic" and strong characters "toxic". Everyone needs to be diplomatic and negotiable now. It's sickening and boring. It's also neither entertaining, nor realistic. Real life is more exciting than fiction nowadays. It's hard not to assume that this is what's happening, because it's EVERYWHERE.

I pine for the days when entertainment used to be entertaining.

>>147134980
Easier done when overwhelming majority of people use public transportation and will buy quick entertainment for the train ride.

Also supplying periodicals in a country the size of Japan is infinitely easier than supplying periodicals in a country the size of the US. It costs too fucking much, from manufacturing 20x more, and distributing 500x more places than Japan. There are too many factors that make it cheaper, easier and more useful in Japan over the US.

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>>147129356
>horribly drawn
Kill your family and then blow your own head off so you stop infecting the human race with your stupid.

>>147141040
And how does that translate into comic sales?
/co/cksucker
The comic industry in the west and France dies with Generation X

>>147141346
>and France
The comic industry in Europe is doing just fine, and in fact is 2.5 times bigger than the US comic book industry.

>>147141326
If I was interested in a comic because of the plot or story and it had that realistic, boring and bland artistic style, I'd better wait for them to release a movie. That's what /co/cksuckers don't understand. That's why in terms of sequential graphic art, the Japanese win and westcucks are better in visual arts like cinema.

>>147141383
The French government subsidizes the Bande Dessineé industry like Canada does with its animation industry.

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>>147141414
>that
>realistic
Retardedly laughable cope.

>That's why in terms of sequential graphic art, the Japanese win
Oh im laffin.

>>147141441
You're an idiot. I'm talking about market size, you dumbshit. In gross sales, they are 2.5 times bigger. Go back to licking your dads balls in his mancave while he watches football.

>>147141472
The SOVL cannot be seen in your illustration, there is nothing in it that does not translate excellently to the screen. That's what the Japanese do so well. They take advantage of the medium and do not see it as a genre like in the west. In your image everything is so crude, technical, empty.
For example, there is no modern westerner who can compare to Kaouru Mori and his Manga. in history, art, expressiveness.

>>147141485
Ur mad?
/co/ockie chan

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>>147141532
>The SOVL cannot be seen in your illustration, there is nothing in it that does not translate excellently to the screen.
SIMPSONS DID IT

>That's what the Japanese do so well.
No, they only sell because they have hot chicks in them with stories that even dumb children can understand, with lots of violence. That's why the US comic book industry was out-selling them decades ago, but have fallen off. They abandoned what worked.

>In your image everything is so crude, technical, empty.
Please, be specific about what is so technical about it Mr Wizard....Or, oh, I'm sorry, were you just ranting about obscurities you have no comprehension of to feign like you knew what you were talking about?

>For example, there is no modern westerner who can compare to Kaouru Mori and his Manga. in history, art, expressiveness.
You mean that dipshit retard that doesn't even know how to draw faces? LMAO

>>147141532
Kaoru Mori is a woman

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>>147141616
Oh, so you're jumping topics to cartoons again?

>>147122286
>newsstands would not return unsold copies and instead resell them on different markets

OK but even if that was happening, those newsstands could do that legally as long as they paid the cover price and it went back to the publisher; it's no different to what the LCS secondary market has been doing for 30 years so if it "fucked up the market" then guess what, going to Direct didn't do shit about it

if they weren't paying the cover price and were still writing off the copies they sold that way as unsold for the pittance they'd get back on their deposits, that's fuckin fraud dude, that's so, so easy to prove and to prosecute, there's no way in hell more than a handful of newsstands would be doing that shit because they're not huge businesses and it's just not worth getting crapped on by the courts for the like $40 you might have got for a mint condition avant garde interpretation of the human form by Liefeld in 1992

nobody was even sending them variants back then, why the fuck would there be a collector market worth them entering into? sheer fucking dumbassery

>>147122687
sweetie people do die from those things all the time, that's why we need to have people to treat them

but congrats for you, you passed the two days of training for idiots who were supposed to cart corpses around in the worst case scenario so you must have a grasp on the finer points of healthcare provision

u should write this up for the Lancet, they're missing your sparkling intellect you dumb fuckin moron

>>147142058
They didn't pay for unsold copies and stopped returning them, in part because comics had low margins anyway, the cost of shipping them back and forth wasn't worth it so they began only ripping off covers to send back as proof. They resold a lot of coverless books. So some fans would get coverless books, this is why certain decades have coverless books in the market. Sometimes they wouldn't have any books at all as the ordering system was done very half heartedly. Eventually they stopped ripping covers off and sent them back half covers and then no covers at all just signing affidavits. See: >>147128541

The original direct market fixed the issue in several ways. They bought comics for cheaper wholesale but had no returns for unsold books and shops bought far more copies than newsstands randomly buying a few. So they created a more reliable system of ordering. Unsold copies in the old system being returned didn't just mean they didn't get the profits, but future print runs were based on sales from several issues ago which they have sales information for. Unsold books being resold wouldn't appear there influencing printing, reliability of getting an issue etc.

It was fraud. Only it wasn't easy to prove back then. Your talking about thousands of shops and wholesalers. Tracking who did what was difficult. We have literal pictures of wholesalers making comic bundles of coverless copies. It was enough of a problem because of the profit margins/print costs/advance payments on credit.

>why the fuck would there be a collector market worth them entering into? sheer fucking dumbassery
Because if Billy liked Spider-Man, the way draws worked was unreliable as newsstands and shops weren't too bothered with low margins comics. So getting the comic would be random if his local newsstand had a few copies. There is a reason some fans, before the direct market, made buyers clubs. Because they wanted comics with covers not damaged and they wanted reliable copies.

>>147142096
>sweetie people do die from those things all the time
Barely any and it is an irrelevant point.
>but congrats for you, you passed the two days of training for idiots
You train a bit longer than two days to become a doctor, you mongaloid.
>u should write this up for the Lancet
Society was irreparably damaged because of retards like you.

>>147142058
>$40 you might have got for a mint condition avant garde interpretation of the human form by Liefeld in 1992
We are talking about the 60s/70s and creation of the first direct market. Which was then broken up in 1978 because of anti competition lawsuit. Not the 90s.

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>>147122047
>>147122051

>>147142994
this post is at least partially bullshit

>>147143405
Which part?

>>147143405
>Seuling maintained a virtual monopoly on comics distribution, until a lawsuit brought by New Media/Irjax in 1978.[17] Irjax sued DC, Marvel, Archie, and Warren for their anti-competitive arrangement with Seagate.[18] As a result of the suit, Irjax eventually acquired "a sizable chunk of the direct-distribution market,"[17] and many of Seulings's sub-distributors left Sea Gate to become independent distributors.

>>147141133
And most of the time they can't even talk about politics beyond centrist liberal drivel
>>147122047
CRASHING THE INDUSTRY WITH NO SURVICORS
>>147141441
>goverment isn't asincompetent there, it doesn't count

>>147122047
Cool. IDW next please

>>147122082
>I can read comics for free and I still don't.
oh god, i haven't read a comic in years

>>147140945
>talky drama
Older comics had superfluous narration/dialogue when the art did the talking. Marvel House style and Marvel method of creation meant artists did plotting a lot of the time.

Someone like Claremont with X-Men wouldn't shut up and that was heavily memed, but that's considered peak superhero comics. More so the stories, small soap opera moments, good character growth, artists than people actually enjoying the paragraphs of Claremont bollocks, but you take it as a whole package.

Superstar artists killed the Marvel Method with new influences away from the classic style. The Image revolt scared the big two away from superstar artists and artist driven capeshit was dead to them so they moved to writer driven stuff. There is a Bendis interview in the early 00s where he talks about this, I'll look for it. (And Bendis speak is peak talky drama bollocks.) We moved into the writer age, hence everyone knows the writers name and not the artists. Combined with story decompression and writing for trades. Combined with the lack of action and lack of artistic shortcuts with people focusing on detail and splash page type pin up rather than fluid fights and battle scenes which might ignore the backgrounds etc to focus on fights. So we went from one extreme to another.

>>147141133
They killed one and done storytelling despite audiences clamouring for it (everyone loves streaming sitcoms etc). While everything else went to overarching plots and fear of missing out fanatical consumerism marketing.

Then big streaming shows became a two hour movie screenplay being stretched into 6-8 episodes. TV shows literally parallel comics problems. We went from one and done television to one and done with seasonal overarching plot to continuity/overarching plot only. And this led to a kind of story decompression like when comics went to longer arcs/trade market. So now you watch 6 episodes where barely anything happens and it is unsatisfying.

>>147131956
>by strong arming every LCS I've ever had.
I'm not just talking about the 90s anon. I didn't know shit about distribution or whatever in the 90s. I just bought comics. The 00s when I was in college was when I noticed it. Every fucking LCS I had from then until about 2010 had their shit pushed in by diamond with many ceasing to exist BECAUSE of diamond. Forbidden Planet became my LCS in when I moved to NYC and I guess they're too big to have felt it from Diamond. I left the US around 2015 so I cannot speak to the industry or how LCS in the US fare, but my knowledge on 00-10 was that they were absolute dogshit to work with.

>>147141616
What a retarded fucking post, might as well compare 05 Doraemon to 95 macross plus or 05 Guyver while you're at it.

Gst fucked old fucks. You get what you fucking deserve.

>>147144495
>TV shows literally parallel comics problems.

More than that it's kind of astounding how the entertainment industry seems to be driving itself into almost the same problems as the American Comics industry

>>147145180
lol delusional

>>147145326
>lol delusional
Really, that's your response? Diamond would do shit like forcing LCS to buy minimum amount of specific issues, but then also do the opposite like sending 0 of an item when an LCS asked for a specific amount. One of my comic book shops in Arbutus sold up in the mid to late 00s because of that shit. The guy that bought them renamed it to universal comics and as far as I could recall when I left the area, he was still having the same kind of trouble with them.

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>>147145368
Looks like universal WAS the original name and the guy did keep the name.

>>147141007
>manga genre

>>147145368
>Diamond would do shit like forcing LCS to buy minimum amount of specific issues
You have to be more specific here.
-Diamond has a minimum order because retailers demanded it. They didn't want individual whales to be able to buy comics from Diamond.
-Certain comics required minimum orders to get alt covers. This was a tactic by the publishers, not Diamond.
-Diamond had discount tiers, where one has to buy a certain amount to qualify for better pricing. This is not an unusual thing in distribution, since smaller shipments cost more to ship per weight.
-Publishers had the option to give an extra 2% discount to Diamond to secure a better deal for retailers. Some chose not to.
>but then also do the opposite like sending 0 of an item when an LCS asked for a specific amount
Was it a re-order? Diamond buys 5% above the initial retail purchase order to cover re-orders and damages, and most comic publishers print exactly what they need to print and no more because it's a periodicals business. This "efficiency" is the raison de'tre of the direct market. It's up to the retailers themselves to place enough initial orders to cover their future needs.
I hate to come to the defense of Diamond, but this is what's wrong about this industry. It's mistakes at every level, but it's too easy to place it all at the foot of Diamond.

>>147145921
>Diamond has a minimum order because retailers demanded it. They didn't want individual whales to be able to buy comics from Diamond.
No, I didn't say minimum total order. I said minimum order of specific comic issues, alt covers were not relevant to that.
>Was it a re-order?
No. Several of my LCS would absolutely not receive what they ordered. Diamond would promise the items at a later date, which was fucking pointless since comic book buyers would just go elsewhere to buy whatever it was leaving the new store with mech that rots on the shelf.

>>147145296
The MCU was popular so everyone needed a franchise. Remember when Universal shoe horned in stuff in Dracula Untold, which felt like a superhero movie anyway, to create a Monsters universe? That film flopped and then they tried again with The Mummy with Tom Cruise. Chasing the MCU and Marvelised entertainment has produced flop after flop.

>>147146391
I'm hopeful for the new DCU, because the Marvel movies all felt so sterile and most of them had the exact same tone. I hope that they really lean into different tones and genres with all these upcoming DC projects. I liked Creature Commandos a lot.

All the comics creators who hate comic fans can now get a real job, like making my fries and burger at McDonalds. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

>>147122047
Fuck em. They were cancerous and deserved to burn decades ago.

>>147146997
>Fuck em. They were cancerous and deserved to burn decades ago.
Fuck you asshole without diamond things will now only get worse MUCH worse.

>>147147031
Got a single shred of evidence to back that up? Because we lived through a world where Diamond existed and held majority control over western comics distribution, and it did not go well.

Hell yeah, motherfucker.

>>147122082
>comics were dead
You mean "capshit was dead" because comics are going strong.

>>147148149
No
That's the manga

>>147148149
Manga and children's picture books don't count.

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>>147149154
>Muh semantics

>>147149651
Cry
/co/cksucker
Cry

>>147149651
Speak for yourself.

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>>147150801
>copium

kek