So anybody wanna shit talk Akaina Mai’s shitty idea at a magical girl?https://x.com/kianamaiart/status/1878952040053051451?s=46
>>147128963Not really. Her idea may be shit but at least she's doing something. Beats being a snarky anonymous critic with no work to speak of.
>>147128963>she/herWhy are western Magical Girlfags like this?
>>147128963I support this, as long as it keeps corpos from raceswapping
>>147128963Reminds me of calarts Yotsuba.
>>147128963>shit talk someone’s attempt at something creative for the sake of itWhy not just honesty look at it? Why the need to be an asshole?
>>147128963This honesty looks cute
>>147128963I've seen worse. Idea's not original in the slightest, but the design at least looks marketable.
>>147129137>Why the need to be an asshole?autism or bipolar disorder I assumeanytime someone is an asshole on the internet they usually have some sort of disorder
>>147129224>they/themMore like was/were am right?
>>147129216i think a lot of people can come up with marketable ideas, they just assume they also have to write it too.
>>147129273True. This particular pitch doesn't have too much of a hook to it out of the sea of other magical girl parodies that already exist, especially the ones that mock the pageantry and theater of the genre. I imagine if the creator handed the base idea off to someone and focused on the drawing, they could really expand it into something neat.
It seems like it would fit in effortlessly with DTVA/Steven Universe but It not getting picked up also doesn't feel like a huge loss. Props to the loose terminating twists on dreads tho
>>147129137Cuz it's funny
>15>Drawn with the proportions of a six-year-old.
>>147129385that makes it hotter
>>147129215>love interest (I assume jokingly crossed out) Ugh dyke shit
>>147128963Why and how is this person so popular?500k followers, what the fuck?Simply working at Disney can't be the only reason, right? Because otherwise it's just fanart and stuff that's derivative of other stuff.
>>147129428Jealous?
>>147129251hnng
>>147129439I mean sure, you could say that? I'm not an artist but I just feel like most of the artists I follow are about as good as this person is. Do I have to be a pokemon fan to get it?
>>147129448It's just networking, anon. Artists follow each other to basically get their work out there and keep abreast of current trends so they can jump on board the bandwagon. It's not complicated.
>>147129215let's see the transformation sequence
>>147129353>>147129361>>147129376>>147129392>>147129403>>147129412>taking a shota's plushie from himNot even Satan is this evil.
>>147128963>Black Star vs.What could go wrong?
>>147128963I've already called it retarded here before. It's retarded. It doesn't understand the basics of the genre and any "idea" it has has been done better decades.Oh wow what if magic girls hated their job? Been done.What if they used unconventional weapons? Who doesn't, I could probably name five with minimal effort.Tuxido Mask but le bad? Sailor Moon literally already did this in their first arc.What if they're gay? Even excluding the soft core porn this isn't anything original.Look I don't think you can't parody a genre, it just feels wrong to do it when your parodying something from a culture that's foreign to you and you clearly don't understand fully. Like this shit feels so fucking pathetic and just makes it obvious to anyone with even a passing knowledge that this shit is made by someone who has no idea about the actual genre aside from some series that aired on the fox box 2 decades ago.
Porn when
>>147128963Seems like it's subversive for the sake of being subversive. Boring, plus wasn't there an anine with this premise recently?>>147129336I second this.
>>147129499Bwc..
>>147128963pronouns in the bio, dropped like a retarded hot potato.
>>147128963>magical girl
>>147129244>>147129328>>147129342>>147129361>>147129392>>147129403>>147129412What a shitty design. God could you somehow make a bitch with less sause? Give her a cool Tokusatsu design you fucking coward.
>>147129561Agreed, the big bad should be completely over the top.
you are some cruel peoplego do something constructive with your time rather than rip on someone's hard work that you can just as easily tune out
>>147129633>wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg
>>147129633Sorry, just can't be bothered to really rip into it and you aren't inspiring me to do so.
>>147129633it's autism, they cant
>>147129633You're the one coming into the thread to be mad about it, anon. Hell, I was one of the people that said it wasn't unworkable, it just needed a proper hook to stand out among all the other baker's dozen or so "lol the magical girl doesn't like her job" stories that already exist out there.
Sailor Moon really burrowed into the brains of Gen X and Millenial women huh?
>>147128963This personality makes absolutely no sense, even from a comedic perspective. She's eager and wants to try new things, but also wants to live a normal, average life? Huh? Wouldn't it be funnier if you just kept it simple and had it be like a Daria-esque character who is forced into Sailor Moon adventures?
>>147129561She's just wearing Teen Titans Raven's costume
>>147129681DBZ did the same to men
>>147129681Yeah but not in any meaningful way, just superficial elements.
>>147128963This is such a weak gimmick that you might as well just play it straight.
>>147129726Fair but I can't name any show pitches that are based around homages/parodies to it.
>>147129633Because anon asked my opinion and I gave it.This shit is unnorigional at best and the designs are sauseless. I'm sorry that I'm right.
>>147129633I am I'm saying this just isn't enough to carry a show. Maybe she should make a comic as a proof of concept to show how it would actually go.
>>147129795OK KO's pilot
>>147129129Looks nothing alike. It's not even bean mouth.
>>147128963Pretty meh. I wouldn't cling to this too much if I were here.They really aren't bringing their best and brightest with these show ideas, it's still better than Sabrina Cotugno's show though
>>147129795Amphibia
This is just Bee and Puppycat but even more DEI
>>147129795I mean, it did spawn an entire genre, basically all battle shounen is a dragonball homage/parody on some level, which in itself spawned more homages of homages, hell, even making stories based on journey to the west is it's own sub-genre at this point
I don't really get why stuff like this has to be so insincere. The shows that made magical girls so popular were sincere and respected their audience, really don't think that's too much to ask for.
>>147129633Not your hugbox.If you like the concept, then actually attempt to defend it instead of shitting your pants and crying when it receives discussion that isn't complete unconditional praise.
>>147128963This is just boring/painfully derivative. Hasn't Kiana ever watched more Transforming Hero stuff outside of Sailor Moon? Or really any Japanese fiction outside of girls' anime?Aren't animators supposed to read books and watch a lot of movies?
>>147129224>>147129215>Moon SailorI don't know why it seems like they took inspiration from Sailor Moon, when the premise(MC's best friend is in love with them, the sassy yellow sidekick character, the MC that's sort of insecure about being a MG) falls more in line with Cardcaptor. All it needs are the gay brothers and deeply concerning romance between multiple teachers and students.
>>147128963Well at least you're being honest about using /co/ as a glorified, mean-girl gossip forum
>>147129689Yeah that was my first thought, a fundamental flaw in the main character, shes just too cool for magical girling and easily wins with rocket launchers, if its a gag i guess it would come down to how funny she is but the premise seems weak.
I'd rather talk about some actual good Magic Girl content.
>>147128963This is the most obnoxious, masturbatory horseshit EVERY character is a faggot, and based on the images already ITT, the white male villain is an effeminate pussy as wellI hope this gets made just so it can fail miserably
>>147129911Japanese women are just built different. American women care too much about what people think because the sexes are overly mixed together in contemporary society, while similarly, American men don't care enough about what anyone thinks to unhealthy degrees. And there's no real community because of how atomized communities are even on the smallest level.In Japan, there's still a healthy degree of segregation between the sexes. Women are mostly around women, and men are mostly around men, so either side doesn't really give a fuck about each other when it comes to media made by and for either side. And EVERYONE cares too much about what other people think because of how communal the culture is, so it's balanced, especially when fiction exists to serve as an outlet.
>>147129970please tell me this isnt some stupid shotashit
>>147129942I liken it to when Hayato Miyazaki did that one interview where everyone got "anime was a mistake" from. Turns out that he was making a broader point that, at that time, the animation industry was beginning to replace most of its workers with people that have no reference for material outside of anime, essentially weakening the industry as a whole as it was becoming a medium of shut-ins producing work for other shut-ins with far less regard or understanding of fiction outside the context of anime.I imagine the same thing is happening there, most of the people involved are basing their cartoon pitches around other cartoons and anime they saw, rather than bring anything new to the table, and are gradually becoming more and more derivative and shallower the more they reference their own flawed and hollow understanding of another branch of animation.
>>147129981The teacher is the artist Jessie/OC/Expy, but with green hair.
>>147129998I keep forgetting that most of the artists currently in the industry are just a bunch of lazy/mid-IQ pseud rich kids with art degrees who don't make a habit of learning new things for the hell of it.I bet Kiana hasn't even watched I Dream of Genie or Bewitched (both inspired the magical girl genre).
>>147129981They make a lot of shipping fanart
>>147129982American women just have bigger egos.Japanese women don't take themselves as seriously, which allows them to be more sincere.Frankly, this also applies to American men.Also, American artists are just much much gayer.
>>147129633It's not a terrible idea and would probably make for a good 2 seasons. I do think some anons are being overly critical for the sake of being overly critical because this is an imageboard
Why do unfunny people so desperately want to write comedies?
>>147129015>>147129137>>147129226OP here, I do have those things and yads yads, but I’m just pointing out this shit is what it is, like what >>147129500, >>147129561 said>>147129633Shut it, at the end of the day it’s just a shitty Californian bitch’s attempt to make a “Le anime parody” of a beloved genre because she thought it was the greatest shit ever, as if parodies are the biggest idea ever, which btw isn’t. All the while this bitch draws like she’s 12, works for a show that I hate with a vengeance.At the end of the day, drawing a cool comic character beating Aika to death seems justifiable then putting it up with any longer and throwing it at her in a @ on twitter
>>147129999Nice quads>>147130036She should keep her shlick material to their fan arts and not make it the focal point of an actual product she's trying to sell, especially if the demo shes aiming at is children/tweens
>>147130024Oh, absolutely not. I'm surprised that those shows haven't been labeled terminally "problematic" by the current cultural zeitgeist as it is.
>>147130048Funny people are usually sad people or confident people. Or both! A funny person understands that comedy is a skill, and it must be cultivated through observation and constant trial and error. A funny person can also laugh at themselves.An unfunny person who wants to be funny is clearly identified by a lack of self-actualization and a poorly defined identity, on top of being overly dependent on the attention of others. An unfunny person is usually so insecure that they can't laugh at themselves because they take all jokes made at them to be personal attacks, even if they're the joker.
>>147129376>>147129392They always over-explain dialogue and take way too long to get to a punchline. Can't these people just experiment with trimming shit down?
>>147130070>especially if the demo shes aiming at is children/tweensbut they love that stuff
>>147130048toriyama became a millionaire being unfunny, and then he became even richer with dragonball
>>147130086Who is recommending DBZ on the basis of its comedy?
>>147130086>>147130094I think Anon was referring to Slump, which started out sorta modestly and then went ape shit fairly quickly
>>147130081Ah, a fellow believer in KISS>Keep>It>Simple>StupidSadly a lot of these artists don't watch or study enough comedy or jokes to understand that Less is More. Think of the best joke you can remember right now and take a moment to understand how short/simple it is.
>>147130068>calmdownitsjustadrawingspongebob.jpg
>>147130098>I think Anon was referring to Slumpcorrect>>147130094>Who is recommending DBZ on the basis of its comedy?dragonball is also a gag series, this is objectively true
>>147130081>I'll give you anything but my soul!>Gimme the bear, little nigga>what>you heard me, white boy, hand the little bear nigga over>but that's my bear>yeah and I want it, bitch>I think I'd rather give you my soul than the bear! Take my soul!>nah, changed my mind, gimme the bear
Honestly reminds me of bee and puppy cat it's pretty cute and I think it's suitable for kids.If you're racist and hate black people or only want to see big tit lolis then I guess this could be a problem for you since ur not the target demographic and it's probably intended for children which is not you??
>>147128963I don't hate it. Bio could use some work, but I'd probably watch this.
>>147130156This is bait, because the most egregious thing about this is that the entire main cast is composed of dykes Here's your (You)
>>147130156I don't think it even meant to be an actual show as the artist has never expressed any desire in actually running their own cartoon. Seems like a side project they're doing for shits and giggles. Yeah the concept of "What if being a magical girl was actually really mudane!" Has been done to death, but anons here are acting like it killed Usagi's dog or some shit.
>>147130156nigga what American child in the 6-11 age demo wants to watch a little black girl as a magical girl superhero where the whole premise is built on making fun of magical girl shows made in the 90s, something no ordinary 6-11 year old child knows about or has the context behind what it's parodyingnevermind how gay it is also here's your (you), faggot
>>147128963Watch rainbow bubblegem instead
>>147130171That's only because white girls (and the kinds of white guys who watch cartoons) watch lots of yuri and yaoi, so it's their only frame of reference when it comes to anime.See the post above you.
>>147130173
>>147128963There was another thread here complaining about the lack of battle shounen made by the west, this thread is probably why there is a lack of western battle shounen
>>147128963Honestly this reads like a really generic rip off of Cardcaptor Sakura
>>147130203 this thread is probably why there is a lack of western battle shounenExplain
>>147130180>something no ordinary 6-11 year old child knows about or has the context behind what it's parodyingnormies took to squid game well, and it's basically a kaiji ripoff
>>147130024>>147130048>>147130180>>147130098>>147130139This, all of this just says a lot about Americans and generally even those we look up to, kinda ashamed to see how this is how we’re going for entertainment.Also thank you for letting me know that Japanese and Americans kinda just inspire one another here and there.Also concerned everyone is just okay with Toriyamas shitty humor, especially in early DB with bulma or whatever.I mean if dude stuck with doing Dragon Quest and SquareEnix, I would’ve been cool with him.
>>147130234>concerned everyone is just okay with Toriyamas shitty humor, especially in early DB with bulmaOkay, fag
>>147129251>A 39 year old lesbian teacher being friends with a 16 year old young girlSo Statutory rape definitely happened at some point
>>147130210/co/ will never be happy
>>147130229"death game/puzzle" isn't something unique as a genre or even something Japan has a monopoly, there's plenty of American examples>Hunger Games>Saw>Circle>Running Man>The Long Walk>minecraft hunger games
>>147128963>makes Jessie/James comics for years>breaks up with her boyfriend/gets rejected>proceeds to become a lesbian/starts presenting herself as masculine>only does lesbian comics about Jessie fucking Ash's mom nowwhat drives women to do this to themselves
>>147130210I imagine anything made would either be extremely derivative of some other japanese battle manga series or inadvertently not derivative enough, maybe a bit of both? which is basically the main complaint being presented here. Even if faithful, the premise itself may be dismissed regardless, you can see it in attitudes regarding mainstream shounen post attack on titan, it does have its fans but not everyone likes them. Though, when I say that I guess it's possible it could work if they ignore the type that isn't feeling it, maybe this series could too if it finds the right crowd.
>>147129235Art of this twink railing the two black nerds or possibly being railed by futa versions of the two black nerds is the only positive angle I can find on this ever being made.
>>147130276I guess milking "reluctant magical girl" could work afterall
>>147129633Should I be unhappy in silence? Would you say the same of joy? It is not the responsibility of any person to validate another, not without further context.
>>147129015FpbpThat said>>147128963Gen Urobuchi already did it a decade ago. And far better than she ever could
>>147129946It kind of sgows how little she knows about mahou shoujo to even make a critique of it. I bet that bitch does not even watch Precure. Or Italian mahou shoujo like Winx and W.I.T.C.H.
>>147130156>If you're racist and hate black people No one was even talking about race here.>ur not the target demographic and it's probably intended for childrenI don't care about gays but pronounfaggotry is definitively not appropiate for children.
>>147128963Realistically, what kid/teen WOULDN'T absolutely love the chance to have cool magical powers?I just don't get it.
>>147130526Only a pitch made by a sheltered LA artist would ever conceive of the idea of an "ordinary kid who wants to be normal" followed up with "hates being special"You know who actually loves the fantasy of being a super-hero? Poor/middle-class kids.
>>147129412It's alright. Cutesy. Feels very animator-who-did-storyboards coded. I won't harp on the concept itself since execution matters far more than obsessing over originality but so far what I've seen feels half baked. It seems like the kind of thing that just started as a goofy shitpost than some serious pitch with DEEP LORE already developed. At least she's doing more with the idea rather than letting it sit forever as a flashy design and bio sheet. More power to her if she's having fun with it.
>>147129998Miyazaki is a retard blind to his luck and privileges.The anime industry has always been largely sustained by losers consuming slop just like every other entertainment industry.Not everyone gets a golden ticket to produce passion projects.
>>147128963>Pronouns.Nothing of value is lost.
>>147129235>>147129244>move diversity hire magical as the side character and make it about /ss/ between these twoI will now watch your cartoon
>>147129911American creators have gotten it into their head that everything needs to be self aware ironic and self deprecating because randos on the inter complain that it's "cringe" or "goofy" if the premise is actually taken seriously and isn't a joke.>>147129946I mean the whole thing seems very superficial, and I don't even really watch a lot of mahou shoujo stuff. I mean, they're deliberately drawing attention to the gayness, but mahou shoujo is about as gay as you get aside from going to straight yuri series.>>147130024>I Dream of Genie or BewitchedGranted I not familiar with what manga artist cite as inspiration, but wouldn't these be more along the lines of magical girlfriend series? Like Ah! My Goddess and the like.
>>147130024>I Dream of Genie or Bewitchedlearn from life not from slop
>>147130751
>>147130139>dragonball is also a gag series, this is objectively trueYeah until which ever volume Krillin dies for the first time
>>147130777What a waste of tripsThose shows spawned the genre being focused on, is everything fucking "slop" to you?
>>147130777Trips of truth>>147130797No, no, hes got a point
>>147130834No he doesntIf youre attempting to deconstruct a genre without understanding where the genre came from, its not difficult to believe you have no idea what youre doing
Why is it always Sailor moon? There's 500+ precure shows now.
>>147130849You sound genuinely retarded
This feels like something that I would enjoy the antagonists over the protagonistsWhich I can't say is usually a good sign for a story that will be following the protagonists most of the time
>>147130860concession acknowledged
>>147130849I don't think Gen Urobuchi needed to watch I dream of genie to write madoka>>147130860kek
>>147129911Madoka is somewhat responsible for this
>>147128963Who know what this needs, a rival magical girl, one who is bored of the mundane trivialities of everyday life but is always excited and eager to turn into a magical girl and jump into the call to save the day.
>>147130855Because it's popular enough that hack writers can rip it off without having to do the work of actually watching the source material they're supposedly parodying.
>>147128963>Akaina Maiwho?
>>147129998I think there's a lot of truth to what he's saying. Look at all those light novels and manga that have generic worlds andaesthetics. They're all just copying off each other and it shows when they make them into anime. Same thing happens in the US, look at all the non DC and Marvel comics that just try to do the same thing but be off brand.
>>147129015>>147130360
>>147129998Seriously, there are people who don't know what that was referring to?
>>147130899Not really, I doubt creator in the OP even watched Madoka.>>147130751>everything needs to be self aware ironic and self deprecating because randos on the inter complain that it's "cringe" or "goofy" if the premise is actually taken seriously and isn't a joke.I think thats the real problem. The metamodernism. Metamodernism itself sprang up from the weaknesses of postmodernism, but postmodernism itself rose up from flawed modernist thinking
>>147130593most anime are "passion projects"
>>147130925It's not that what he says is not true, it's that it is a stupid complaint.
>>147128963This is super generic if you watch anime.
>>147130952Retarded take. You cannot seriously tell me Boruto and every Precure season is a passion project. Especially the latter.Besides, the REAL passion projects of /a/ are on the doujin side. Its how the Touhou, Higurashi and Nasuverse started out, as doujin.
>>147128963The design is cute. Her magical girl form could do without all the long bits but still.What I don't like is that it is another deconstruction. We get it. You watched Madoka Magica 14 years ago. So did everybody else. We have gotten to the point where just being a genuine mahou shoujou show would feel more novel.Also all of the teens look and act like kids so why not make them early middle schoolers like most of the genre classics did?>>147129215>The love interest is explicitly a girl instead of having a group of friends where you can choose your favorite ship>Blatant Sailor Moon name droppingBad form.>>147129224>The mascot critter will likely spend more time as a human than a critter and looks like an Adventure Time character for some reason>>147129235>Rival villain is a straight white dude who seems to act more like a comic supervillain for some reason than a traditional MS type villain>>147129244This one is okay I guess.>>147129251>Teacher is a dykeNot too big a deal but that makes every female character outside of the villain.
>>147131046>We have gotten to the point where just being a genuine mahou shoujou show would feel more novel.youre a liar, since magical girl shows aimed at kids are still the standardwith pretty cure being literally exactly what you want, girls who are magical without a single ounce of anything deeper
>>147129561>Give her a cool Tokusatsu designI think Sqetches\Kyubumlee did something like that
It's been done before. And not just magical girls. I'm certain light novels have covered just about everything involving doing something they hate just to live an easy life.
>>147131079Hate that Canadian fuck like you wouldn't believeHe used to work on CanCon slop and its so blatantly fucking obvious in all his personal work
>>147130952Nigger, not even Makoto Shinkai gets to do what he wants. You are extremely ignorant.
>>147130301Penis envy.
wait fuck are "subversive" takes on magical girls like this really that overdone?>>147128963 anyway i think its fine enough, it feels a teensy bit bland in the art department and i really think it should have had a solid set of comics before really going full head on into an animated show but yeah, looking forward to the executioni also think this op is really funny, gives, "wait until 4chan raids this thread" vibes
>>147130976Those are more like video games or vns which are not anime/manga. The real passion projects of /a/ are doujinshi. Also some precure seasons have a lot more passion and effort put into them than others.
>>147130068Remember "4chan is not your personal army"? You want a hate comic s'damn much, draw it yourself
>>147130925>Same thing happens in the US, look at all the non DC and Marvel comics that just try to do the same thing but be off brand.It's happening even worse in USA. At the end of the day isekai makes for like 3% at most of all manga. Capeshit meanwhile makes for 80% of all comics making it way more derivative than anything ever. If Miyazaki had seen capeshit he would have killed himself since it's the most generic slop out of all of them.
>>147131058>girls who are magical without a single ounce of anything deeperif your depth is garbage like in the op then I don't want it.
>>147129998I find it weird that i see this applied to cartoons. Like anime has always had thaose fantastic directors like Dezaki or Kon or anime like ping pong, lotgh, eva, lain etc. Even in recent time you had stuff like Odd taxi or Sonny boy. Meanwhile western animation has always been kind of mediocre with the best of it being great slapstick and a few decent action series in-between. Anime has always been above western animation in what it achieved which makes that a valid criticism which just doesn't fit with western animation.
>>147131046This, it’s just a realistic take on the genre or some dumb shit and it just feels mai is wayyy too crappy at her potent abilities and all we get is this
>>147129015This. Better to make something than to be a little bitch boy who sits on the sidelines.
>>147129500The beauty of making your own thing is you can make whatever you want in the way you want. It doesn’t matter that you think it misses the point of the genre…maybe that was the point in making it? This person thought “oh man, I love Sailor Moon but I wish it had these changes”. And after spending years working on art and learning about animation they’re now in the position to do just that. Anyone else can do it too but very few have the patience and drive.
>>147129942It's always Sailor Moon because that's all the lowest common denominator knows and is comfortable with. If you mention go further into Cardcaptor Sakura territory, eyes glaze over. If you go into Madoka territory, the assumption is edge. If you go into Precure they assume you're a pedo. Sailor Moon is safe like how DBZ is safe.
>>147129511>plus wasn't there an anine with this premise recently?Most of the I don't want to be a magical girl animes re kinda ancient, the pig one the bathing suit one, all at least 5 years oldWe got corpo magical girls and the horny yuri one recently though
>>147129633They could drop the pronouns and it will improve a lot, the advice of a group of friends so the audience does the shipping is also a good oneIt's just uninspired as fuck, also pronouns got old a decade ago
Why are black people so driven to appropriate other people's cultureWhy not try coming up with something of their own
>>147131179>The real passion projects of /a/ are doujinshiNigga thats what I litetally said. The doujin side aka doujinshi. There's a reason why so many mangakas started out as doujin artists
>>147131467japan did not invent magical girls
>>147131474Doujin means anything indie. Doujinshi are indie manga specifically.
>>147128963It's a cute design but the title seems to sell it on its subversion which makes me worry. Kiana's art is nice and she's not combative or mean afaik so I don't feel right shitting on her work.This is the fourth time I've seen an indie american comic do this concept though (Serendipity, Black Hole, Phoenix Flair), and I bet there's probably a lot more that I never read.LGBT stuff where everyone is gay normally makes me pass too, it just feels too much like wish fulfilment>>147130156>big tit lolisOppai loli is actually pretty ncihe.>>147130068>At the end of the day, drawing a cool comic character beating Aika to death seems justifiable then putting it up with any longer and throwing it at her in a @ on twitter>Using twitter at allISHYGDDT
>>147131483So which non-Japanese magic girl property is this based on then
>>147131497> ISHYGDDT doing the most insulting thing to a wannabe artist from Californian who works on a shitty show from DisneyHmmmmmmmmmmm
>>147129235>>147129244/ss/ time
>>147131597Random violence is edgey, anonRape Correction is better
>>147131467Desu, nearly the entirety of western pop culture is appropriated from black people. Even country music…the earliest country recording was recently discovered on wax cylinder and predates the previous earliest known recording by about 30 years and it was a recording of a black creole man.
>>147131597define wannabe artist
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>>147129244Would.
>>147128963Already been done to death. Genre subversion has become so tiresome.
>>147128963if this were ever made into a show, Kiana would 100% discard the premise of the plot and go all-in on cramming in as many lesbian yuri fanfic tropes she can as soon as possible, much like the She-Ra reboot and High Guardian Spiceshows made by fanfic writers are rarely if ever good, it's all a means to an end to implement whatever they've "learned" from thousands of hours of ship analysis into some poorly constructed veneer of a plot>>147129215This character is literally just an inferior version of Tomoyo from Cardcaptor Sakura, and if this show were ever made Kiana would absolutely just copy Tomoyo's arc but remove any subtlety or room for interpretation>>147129244Queen Beryl from Sailor Moon with a worse design (Kiana just moved the underboob cut to her stomach)>>147129235Tuxedo Mask but he's not allowed to be the Magical Girl's boyfriend because it's a modern cartoon and the protagonist must be a lesbian if female
>>147128963>dodged another brownslopGood.
>>147131847"Magical girl" genre was subverted and deconstructed so much I have doubts it was actually ever verted and constructed. It's like it emerged out of thin air to lampoon something that never existed in the first place.
It's funny how indie animators think the industry is oppressing them, then they churn out the same black/brown girl fantasy lesbian content everyone is already tired of, thinking they're the unique opposition.No, your content is the stuff viewers have been wanting to get away from. It's watered down anime tropes without any pieces that made the source material, that inspired you, good in the first place.Like Invincible Fight Girl but with magical girls.
>>147132473>indie animators think the industry is oppressing themNobody said this
>>147128963will this show actually happen or is it more of a concept that she's gauging interest online about?
>>147130156So what makes you think a kid wants to watch this instead of actual magical girl animes for children?
>>147129251>>147131046you can still save her.
>>147129340>It seems like it would fit in effortlessly with DTVAit makes sense since Kiana's been working for that studio pretty much since she was like 20 and is now a director on Big City Greens.
>>147129428she's been cultivating an online following for about a decade and has always been pretty active in trying to get people engaging with her accounts and her content. One of the big things people know her for is her Pokemon content and the occasional nostalgia reboot ideas she puts out, like the Jimmy Neutron thing.
>>147129499does that mean Marco will be Asian?
>>147129681Technically Kiana is a zoomer. She's just on the oldest end of the zoomer generational spectrum.
>>147130156>If you're racist and hate black peopleKiana is also Japanese
>>147129633Why did everyone respond to such low quality bait?
>>147130526I think it's supposed to be an allegory for being gay or mixed-race? That's at least my assumption knowing this artist's previous work.
>>147129244Mega would
>>147129224>they/themAKA "I don't want any dirty BOYS to help out my female MC >:(" but need some gender diversity
Good lord, modern cartoonists are so lame and gay.
>>147129946Tomoyo wasn’t a faggot
>>147130360Madoka was shit anon, don’t kid yourself
>>147128963This OP reeks of newfag from twitter so hard, man
Why are the protagonists of over two thirds of western cartoons with female protagonists, gay?
>>147133310As was previously stated ITT, western artists tend to be very very gay these days.
>>147129328His virginity lol>>147129412Post impregnation
>>147128963I had to look at this for a whole 2 seconds to know that it was drawn by a trans "person"
>>147128963Nah, it seems okay. Cute art.
>>147129015FPBP>>147128963Cringe OP.The idea isn't original but I like the art style and it's not taking itself seriously. Why would I wanna make fun of someone's comedy show idea?
>>147130024>I Dream of GenieI forgot show existed, I think me and my grandmother watched some recently on the old folks channel although I wasn't paying attention.
>>147133461Anons are insecure in their own lack of artistic ability so they have to shit on others
>>147133461>>147133491Friendly reminder that you will never be a real woman.
>>147131168Oh good lord yes. There's one for every flavor under the sun.>Magical Girls But Grittier: Puella Magi Madoka Magica>Magical Girls But Evil: Magical Witch Punie-chan>Magical Girl But She's Too Old To Keep Doing This Shit: Oku-sama wa Mahou Shoujo>Magical Girl But She's A Hag: Grandma in the Magical Girl>Magical Girls But They're Boys: Cute High Earth Defense Club Love!>Magical Girls But They're Unfeminine Violent Punks: Machimaho>Magical Girls But They're Spec Ops Killers: Magical Girl Spec Ops Asuka >Magical Girls But They're Suicidal And Insane: Magical Girl Site >Magical Girls But They're Kinky: Gushing Over Magical Girls >Magical Girls But They're In Grim's Fairy Tales: Princess Tutu I could genuinely go on for ages, but even "Magical Girl But Over This Shit" has been done for ages. Sailor Nothing has existed for the better part of two decades, and A Magical Girl Retires was released just last year. Even in Western animation, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil could be seen as a send-up of the idea due to the story begins to argue whether or not the magical princess's kingdom is so great or if magic really is all that beneficial or needed.I'm definitely not ragging on the person who made this "I don't want to be a magical girl" stuff, if only cause it's clear they don't know anything about magical girls outside of Sailor Moon or Cardcaptor Sakura. But seriously, you can't throw a fucking rock without hitting a magical girl parody or deconstruction or send-up these days. Akaina Mai's pitch would only succeed in a western market, and just absolutely barely, cause her idea's cute but extremely lacking in anything to make it stand out. It's like spitting into the ocean, really, and it's a shame cause her art isn't that bad if a bit generic.
>>147132473Shut up Dan
>>147133310Because they're all made by privileged, entitled white women, who are the biggest targets of LGBTQIA+ jewish brainwashing due to how sheltered and easily manipulated they are.
>>147133518At which point do these stop being suberverions/deconstructions/whatever and start just being a part of the genre, because I think we already passed that point long ago.Do any of these authors even intend to take a critical look at the genre?
>>147133514I know your transition didn't work out, but you don't have to lash out to everyone else
>>147129561Its magical girl anime parody, not tokusatsu
>>147129244This design in a more detailed art style would be pretty hot actually.
>>147133567>n-no uNice one, sis.
>>147133585>you will never be a woman>but I'll call you by girl namesSounds woke
>>147133559To be rather blunt, doing so is far more difficult than it seems, if only because the whole point of magical girls is on the same level as stories of superheros. It's basically a giant extended metaphor for growing into yourself as a more complete person, albeit with frilly dresses/capes as a way of externalizing the kid's potential and magic/super powers as a more imaginative form of the responsibility and power of being a grown-up, all while still retaining the imaginative power and positivity of youth and hope for the future. It's why the earliest stories of magical girls were more along the lines of Himitsu no Akko-chan and Sally the Witch, being slice of life coming of age stories. And why two of the arguably earliest "magical warrior" stories were stuff like Princess Knight and Cutie Honey. So if you really wanted to deconstruct the genre, you basically have to tackle societal issues regarding the messages society is sending little girls and molding them out of wanting to become stronger independent selves into more passive "knows their place" office drones, trad wives, pretty spokespeople that never cause controversy, and otherwise "normal" people that don't stand out. Which might sound like a load of feminist bull, but it's what I could really think of if you wanted to outright rip into the general concept and examines what makes it tick....Or at least, I'd say that, if the magical girl genre itself hadn't already done that plenty of times before on their own. PreCure made an entire movie about how growing up can kill the same youthful spirit that's at the heart of a magical girl fantasy, and how fighting the general apathy and passive evil that pervades modern society is a whole lot different from punching monsters every week.So considering the magical girl genre is happy to deconstruct itself, I don't know what else you could add to it.
>>147128963So did some discord troon start this thread to talk shit because of some drama between them and the artist? Anyway, design kinda sucks, too many wings and frills and maybe get rid of the ribbons. Other than that, pretty good. The artstyle is cute, the characters aren't going to break any troon art stereotypes. Also you need to add at least one male character that isn't gay.
You know it's really no wonder animation is in the spot it's in today when literally every other pitch I see is like this. I can only imagine how frustrating i is for studio head to be pulled into a pitch meeting each week only to hear 3-4 variations of >Hi I watched Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors and lived in California as a kid, my show is about a quirky gay magical girl and her group of quirky gay friends. My life experience was literally entirely online, ever heard of AMVs?
>>147133745>Anon thinks studio heads ask for pitch meetings weekly anymoreKek, that's exactly the problem.
>>147133737>Which might sound like a load of feminist bull, but it's what I could really think of if you wanted to outright rip into the general concept and examines what makes it tick.I don't know what feminism has anything to do with that but I really enjoyed the rest of this synopsis.
>>147133795Oh, so they actually DID get tired of "Sailor Moon but she's me as a teenager" pitches?
>>147133737>I don't know what else you could add to it.
>>147133834No, they got tired of any ideas that aren't regurgitating past IPs for remakes, sequels, and reboots.
>>147133745I think the issue is that the pool of talent are all like the same gay Californians.It's literally a lower bar than fucking isekaishit these days, at least shit like ReZero was made by an angry butcher instead of some salary man yuppie.>>147133846Magical Girl Spec Ops already covered the lesbian BDSM and batshit insane romance like a decade ago.
>>147133859>Magical Girl Spec Ops already covered the lesbian BDSM and batshit insane romance like a decade ago.There's more ground to cover.
>>147133853Damn, they're so hell-bent on using past IPs that they won't even greenlight all of these shows that lift every single idea they have from an old IP.
>>147133868If you wanna shut down any new idea that has any inspiration from other media then you get nothing new ever. And I call bullshit when a lot of big IPs are just copies of past media as well.
>>147128963>>147129215>>147129224>>147129235>>147129244>>147129251I mean it doesn't sound very original but I can't say I hate the designs. You can hate the artist or whatever but the characters are okay for what they are.What I don't get is how the MC is the cheerful energetic type but she wants to be painfully average like her friend. Like I get the general idea but the usual genki type NOT liking the magical girl role and just wanting to be normal seems more like a mistake than a genuine part of the trope subversion the artist is trying to go for. Like in the red panda movie it works because A) metaphor and B) randomly becoming a giant panda sucks until you start finding out the perks, but in this scenario being a magical girl just feels like it would fit the personality of the MC at the start and then she'd progressively find out the job fucking sucks, instead of her wanting out from the getgo.
Do people in the California animation industry even talk to each other? Because I feel if each of them knew that every other person they talked to had a Magical Girl idea, they'd probably switch focus to making something different.
>>147133892I actually haven't seen a magical girl parody pitch like this for a while. Sci-fi or SOL comedy is what's popular on indie.
>>147133888Or even a better/more recent example, jentry chau is energetic sure but she has trauma and a couple very good reasons to hate everything having to do with her powers and the supernatural, her character arc being to eventually learn to embrace it.
>>147133826Anime fans tend to roll their eyes when you start talking about stuff like the way society puts a lot of pressures on women to be more "feminine", or at least take on more socially acceptable implied traits of femininity such as being pliable, subservient, emotional but never in a way to embarrass their superiors, etc and how that contrasts to something like PreCure which sends the opposite message of how you can be confrontational, self-motivated and forward and still be properly feminine as "feminist shit". Even if it's 100% relevant and important to the topic at hand since, you know, magical girls. Frankly, I'd say that kind of message divide is also why we have a lot of genre "deconstructions". I imagine most authors are fully aware how ridiculous it is that society expects girls to be prim and proper while they're writing a genre where they kung fu monsters until they explode, so they've started taking the opposite tract of implicitly mocking society's expectations of girls by having the magical girls portray other "grown-up" traits like treating it like a job or acting a lot more cold and cynical about something that's nominally all sparkles and rainbows, as if spitting in the face of the expectations that girls should only dream of being mature AND pretty as pre-teens and that dreams of being a magical girl and implicitly being a stronger independent person should be put away in the toy bin once they grow up.
>>147130884Post 1 interview in which Urobuchi uses the word "deconstruction". Just 1.
>>147133892They're too busy talking about how to most efficiently groom children.
>>147129998Miyazaki is an absolute legend but don't forget he hates almost all redditors' favorite films. He's a guy who would shit on movies like Akira and GITS or entire disney films without hesitation.
>>147128963She's cute but the whole premise seems pretty dumb. She and the other kids also look like 15 year olds. Maybe 11-12.
>>147133867What the fuck even is the context of this scene
>>147134233It's hot.There's also an ABDL scene involving one of the magical girls cumming in a diaper.
>>147134265Miyazaki was right.
>>147134284If Miyazaki was such a master at making anime inspired by real life instead of other media then 90% of his characters wouldn't feel like shittier reskins from the anime that he has been working on before ghibli was a thing.
>>147134306Call me a normie but I'd take that over diaper porn, I'm just saying.
>>147128963Meh. Looks fine. I'm good with magical girl stuff, as the worst it can be is another Star VS.>>147129215>gay forced yuribait backup characters>she's a they unless she's a she so it's not technically gay>is this how you use your pronouns, my fellow kids?Nevermind, this is looking bad already.
>>147134331That's cool, I don't disagree. I was just saying that Miyazaki was not as special as he thinks he is.
I hate how gaijins bring up miyazaki just to talk shit about niche kind of anime. he doesn't even know that kind of shit and he would shit on your favorite movies too.
>>147134380It's funny when Euros do it because Miyazaki also hates stuff like LotR.
>>147134380>>147134306Just so you know that quote was never used in the context that people are using it. The original context was that animators don't draw characters moving and acting realistic because they don't study how people move in real life. It has jack and shit to do with writing, which is the subject of the thread.
>>147134380He can shit on the shows and movies I like because I don't really care what he thinks for most things. But what he said is very much applicable to all aspects of animation, that's why people use it all the time
>>147134451But people don't even know the original context of the quote?
>>147134399>Miyazaki also hates stuff like LotR.He hates the movies and how they glorify the violence which was never the point
>>147134532He's never seen the movies or read the books, his impression of it is what filtered through pop culture and movie trailers - so fantasy anime and movie trailers. Other people have pointed out common points between his work and TLotR, he might even like the books if the bone dry writing didn't put him off, but he's already given it up as "otaku trash."
>>147134399Miyazaki hates everyone and everything that isn't 12 year old girls and airplanes.
>>147128963I find a big thing with black characters is that a lot of artists (or 'artists' fixing other others shit even) is that they never take into account the balance of color vs the skin tone. Like someone drawing a black princess Daisy with the same outfit the usual Daisy has, but making her skin tone SUPER dark to the point where it and the bright yellow dress color clash and fight for attention. But here it really works well, the muted blues and yellows match the skin tone perfectly.Cute designs in general, anyway, would the villainess.
>>147135028The Hobbit is on his list of 50 best children's books
>>147129137Being an asshole is all some people have for a personality
>>147135171>the book he had to adapt for an animated movie is on his listNo shit.
>>147135171Maybe he's changed his mind since then, or maybe he holds the Hobbit in different regard without awareness of what LotR actually entails. either way, his comments on LotR show he doesn't really have deep knowledge of it.
>>147129376>>147129392>>147129403>>147129412>Hot, brown villainess and her cute, white shota subordinate.This is infinitely more interesting than the same old "Sailor Moon magical girl" shit going on with the other characters.
>>147128963>>147129244Wake me up when the villain corrupts the MC and they start making out
>>147128963Cute drawings but it's just another cookie cutter "magical girl but with a kooky twist" we've seen a million times before. There's browns and gays and one of the villains is a prissy blond white boy. Real riveting stuff there.
>>147128963Isn't Kiana Mai friends with Tajmark who told people to DM her pictures of their siblings and mom as some edgy gotcha on how she could draw porn of them and it wouldn't be "just fiction" anymore?I know she is/was friends with that Jenny Park lady that said Koreans into Hetalia needed to tell their parents and get a whooping and disowned.
>>147129215>TheyThis aspect of Zira will be dropped if it gets picked up by Disney since they know hate Trans/Non Binary people
>>147130301There's also the arc of Jessie getting fat and more butch, that her fans argue over whether or not it's epic Body Positivity representation, butch lesbian props, or if Kiana's got a little bit of Architect taste in her.
>>147128963lemme guess its because she wants to be a magical boy?
Might have been "cool" 10 years ago, but in this day and age where every media is subversive or reactionary, it comes off as very generic and tiresome.
A sincere attempt at Magical Girls in Da Hood would be better than whatever this slop is
>>147135710>Cute magical girls doing a magical drive by with their wands.Kino
>>147135710Honestly, yeah. American inner city life is way different than Japanese inner city life and could provide a fresh take on the genre. I would be interested in a show that was magical girls + Hey Arnold.
>>147135619>confuse people and anger bigots by randomly shoehorning people with clinical disorders into stories and portraying them having those disorders as normal>send mixed signals to people with those disorders and anger progressives by suddenly doing a 180 degree turn on that incredibly odd policyDo they employ exceptionally stupid or downright insane people over there?
>>147130976I said that most of them were, not all of them. moron>>147131144Kys nigger
>>147135619Why Molly is so mean to her hubby Nate?
>>147135445cringe
>>147131483The person who invented the bomb was German. Furthermore, it is a stupid argument. Does the fact that America has great scientists mean that other countries did not have them?
>>147135958No, based
>>147136074Sorry I had the wrong thread.
So the artist is a half-Jap half-Jamaican woman? That's making it far more difficult for me to shit on this, unironically.
>>147136255That much of a weeaboo, huh?
>>147131847It’s gotten to the point where genre subversions have enough of a catalogue to where they could be classified as their own Genre. Subversion Westerns, Subversion Superheroes, Subversion Sentai etc.
>>147136272Not at all. Gaijins mixing up what Japs have done usually seem to be boring and even dishonest to me these days but it makes a lot more sense if she's half-Jap half-Jamaican.
>>147131483ok so what's the inspirations of this. I'll listen.
>>147129077Why wouldn't a magical girl be a girl?
>>147136375>>147136255Amricans are still americans.
>>147135710The kid-friendly version of this would be Moon Girl.
>>147136564>It's kind of irrelevant what her racial make-up is because she's still fully submerged into American culture. So even if she's half-Japanese, that doesn't mean she'll understand the genre or medium because she's still exposed to it in a superficial way the same as any American. You can argue that a lot of modern anime is also superficial because pop culture is just playing a game of telephone, but you still notice the cultural differences in how someone approaches tropes. Even when trying to make her own magical girl show, Kiana just can't help but be snarky about it. >>It's fine to have stories that are rooted in second gen culture. There are TONS of movies and TV shows that are specifically entertaining to Jewish-American or Italian-American groups. We've had a boom of Asian-American (and kind of Asian-Canadian) stories. But in this case, being half-Japanese is relevant. She's still an American approaching 90's anime tropes with American sarcasm.
>>147136255why?
>>147136620American who is half-Jap half-Jamaican, yes
>>147136702Yes and still an american. Hell she is part of the worst american demographic aka the asian-americans.
>>147129287>>147129300oh that's LITTERALLY the moon stick
>>147136620American isn't a race, it's a nationality. It's one of the few places on the planet where you can move from anywhere else and still be called "an American". Italians won't consider people who change their citizenships to be true Italians. Same with Chinese, French, Koreans, etc. But in America? Take a test and pass, and people will say, "You're an American now". It's one of the reasons why moving here is so appealing to people all over the world.It's also why it's so offensive to shit on immigrants who put in the work to become Americans are still seen as outsiders. In many other countries, that is barely considered a taboo.
>>147132941Cause you're retarded and we hate you
Why is it ALWAYS Sailor Moon or DBZ though? There was so much other anime out there that was also very popular with Americans back in the 90's/2000's. Inuyasha, One Piece, Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh, Fullmetal Alchemist, Azumanga Daioh. Like, damn, where are the Death Note parodies?
>>147136910>Yu-Gi-Oh,Already had some cartoon clones in the 00s. >Azumanga DaiohJapanese humor doesn't fit with the mainstream western audiences and you already have plenty of western sol cartoons. >Fullmetal Alchemist, Death noteHow the fuck do you pitch something like that to a children's channel? How do you even make a death note's clone without looking way too similar?
the designs are cute, but the story seems like it'll be meh
>>147136667maybe because gaijins who rip jap shit off are often arrogant and opportunistic and don't really have any respectand maybe she was naturally familiar with jap shit since she was a little kid because of her parent it's also understandable that someone who has multiple cultural identities would be motivated to mix them up
>>147136981>How the fuck do you pitch something like that to a children's channel? How do you even make a death note's clone without looking way too similar?Well that's the thing, most of these parodies are very superficial anyway. Sometimes they just straight up steal prop designs and call it a homage. So nobody's had the idea of just parodying Death Note by having your generic, optimistic, happy-go-lucky kid protagonist who finds a book with a demon that can manifest all his evil desires and most of the episodes are about the kid trying to reform the demon or some shit? I'm not saying they need to copy the premise 1:1. I'm just curious why it's always the same two shows when there were so many other popular anime that these people definitely grew up with or grew up knowing about. I couldn't escape Naruto or Yu-Gi-Oh back when I was in high school.
>>147131847Name one.
>>147137031Gonna be frank, when you say "parody Death Note", that's not exactly quantifiable if only cause there's a ton of different elements to it. Are you making fun of the mind games aspect? The moral quandaries? The interpersonal drama and stress of juggling different images between so many people? The very idea of a kid given literal power over life and death? What?>So nobody's had the idea of just parodying Death Note by having your generic, optimistic, happy-go-lucky kid protagonist who finds a book with a demon that can manifest all his evil desires and most of the episodes are about the kid trying to reform the demon or some shitOh. Just that? So basically you'd just have Fairly Odd Parents but instead of a cynical loser you have an optimist as the ead?
>>147136490> Why use retarded pronoun bullshit instead of just putting down 'female' or 'girl' like a normal person?
>>147133573Magic girls anime is just animated Toku for girls.
>>147137361It's for guys as well.
>>147131110Hate how they just title them like this now. Imagine if Ben 10 was called so I found an alien watch that let's me turn into different aliens and I use it to fight crime.
>>147131191I was mostly using it as an example
>>147133518>Princess TutuThat one feels way different than the other ones that I know on there. Feels almost closer to pre sailor moon magic girls. >>147133846I found this kinda boring. Not pervy enough and the story too bland.
>>147137542Glad to see a fellow Princess Tutu enjoyer. Although it's funny you mention pre-Sailor Moon, I did toss Magical Witch Punie-chan on there too to make sure I touched on both slice of life and magical warrior sides.
>All Aika wants is to live a normal life>she/her
>>147129385I was scrolling to see if anyone else noticed it. Feels very off-putting, almost to the degree of "she's actually a 1000 year old dragon".Are artists too afraid to draw non adults with figures? I get the idea of not wanting to serialized an underage character but it's to the point of infantilizing teenagers. I'm still shocked Anne Boonchuy had any bumps at all.
>>147129499VS who?
You will never make a real magical girl show. You have no artistic talent, you have no cuteness, you have no eastern sensibilities. You are westerrner twisted by sailor moon to make a crude mockery of fiction's perfection.All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish designs behind closed doors.Audience is utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of anime titles have allowed weebs to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even western magical girl shows that "pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your art style is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to watch your show, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected identity politics.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your western name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a western is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a magical girl showthat is unmistakably western.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>147137705Likewise. I'm not familiar with that one I only know about Sally, Minky, Lala,Yumi, Mami, and princess knight. Guess I better do more research.
>>147137542>>Princess TutuImagine if the west tried to make something with the same writing quality and direction as this instead of the same garbage.
>>147137791I could recommend a couple, but this is only barely on-topic as it is. I'll just explain Punie-chain in terms of being "subversive" in that it's a comedy presents the main character as the same sort of whimsical and excitable magical girl as Sally or Chappy the Witch...when the truth is that she's a violent selfish brat whose magical feats and lack of thought of the consequences terrify the shit out of the world and make their lives a living hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6lAFlIjys
>>147133518Magical girl but they got to a magical girl school: Akazukin Chacha
>>147137031Think about it from this perspective: your average millennial cartoonist might be aware of more anime than the same 2/3 shows - but is the average network exec?
>>147129970tell me this is some stupid shota shit
>>147137905Oh man, I've not seen Akazukin Chacha in ages, thanks forr reminding me
>>147128963Why is “pretty pretty please” in katakana in the title?
>>147129215>Cute black girl. >Implied to be a carpet muncher.I'll set her straight.
>>147134004Post 1 post in which Kiana uses the word "deconstruction". Just 1.
>>147138346>Post 1 post in which Kiana uses the word "deconstruction".Wowowow let's calm down for her a second. First she needs a bit of fame and reputation before she gets an interview unlike the butcher which has plenty of it.
>>147128963why does anyone think 'ugh i hate that i live in a wonderful whimsical fantasy world' is a good premise for a character
>>147138510It worked for I hate Fairyland
>>147128963Remove the wokeism and I would watch it. Main character and >>147129244 are very cute.>>147135445Lolidom would be better, imo
>>147129795speaking as someone who never gave a shit about DBZ, there are a fuckton of references to it in a lot and i do mean a lot of stuff
>>147138591Not the same thing.
>>147128963So this idea clearly does not take place in Japan. Why is there katakana?
>>147138555that's true. although i'd argue that gertie is a literal child, or at least started as one. i'm thinking more of the sulky teen who just wants to be normal
>>147138555It worked for that because she was forever stuck in a Disneyland world where her body couldn't grow up but her mind can. She initially loved it.
>>147137502it's because the website where lightnovels blew up from either didn't have tags or the tags were shit, I don't remember, so the titles of the novels started being used as basically the tags instead
>>147132363so was Tomoyo really a fag?
>>147136778eh, I feel like you can apply this to France and other western countries, maybe less so
>>147128963I tried to remove a bunch of lines so animating it wouldnt kill a korean, but i think that makes it more clear what an boring design it is.
>>147138935Is it weird that I find this a bit better than the original?
>>147138836Yeah. Mahou shoujou series are only outdone in gayness by actual yuri series
>>147138935You shouldn't be allowed to draw or touch other people's work.
>>147138935Pretty nice, probably better than the original. Full blonde or full black is a better look for her.
>>147129215>>147128963>15>16I thought they were elementary schoolers... School full of late bloomers?
>>147129981The main villain is black, the white boy is a romantic insterest that starts bad but gets redeemed.
>>147138935>>147138956I think it's cleaner overall especially the hair and shoulder puffs
>>147137823I can see something like Tutu coming out of France but there's too much irony poisoning over here. >>147137859Thanks I'll check it out.
i was going to give my opinion on this show but the thread is already at 350 posts so the likelihood of someone engaging with my post is low. i won't bother, have this picture instead
>>147138754Didn't know that thanks
>>147130778Find a real source that shit hallucinates, it's not to be trusted.
>>147133518i asked that a bit more in relation to recent western media or so like serendipity, but i seeand mainly just asked that cause i have my own magical girl thing i wanna make one day and while i knew the market was already really full with that stuff i didnt know it was genuinely that full
>>147134284Miyazaki is a hypocritical pedophile and a terrible father.
>>147135950>most are because I say sook retard
>>147131058He's right, Precure exists but it's the only thing being made for kids nowadays.There's more parodies and edgy shit aimed at adults even on the Japanese side
>>147129015>"I dont want be a Magical Girl"SHEZOW, but with female protagonist?
>>147134399I really like the quote where he's like "man christian art is fucking creepy">>147135085true and basedI don't even agree with his takes but I like that he gives these takes and think there's shit to learn from them
>>147139201nowadays it's probably irrelevant but it just became the style it's done in
>>147136255and she's from Hawaii, not California
>>147139835>I really like the quote where he's like "man christian art is fucking creepy"probably a bigot thing. japanese christians have a long history of being discriminated against
>>147139096>whitecheck the voice actor she wants. that boy is a hapa at best
>>147140113Christians are generally obnoxious and should be discriminated against
>>147140124you know america is not the world in general, yes? america christianity is a special brand of home grown retarded.
>>147140134I know japs and they tell me christians in their country are just as bad
>>147140113it was in the context of him visiting europe and just finding the focus on art of the martyrdom and suffering of holy figures to be creepy, that in japan you get shitoist or buddhist art of like kami looking grand and divine, and then you get to europe and it's endless paintings of jesus crucified looking like a corpse and staring at the sky
>>147138705>She initially loved it.The first pages of the comic show Gert falling face first into Fairyland, permanently breaking her teeth, and being so traumatized that it can be argued that part of the reason she was unable to complete her quest was that this bad first experience affected her trust in others.
>>147129552>>147130159Utena would do everything in her power to make her want to be a magical girl
>>147132856>Nic is a trans girl bc yes Jesus fucken Christ I'm so sick of this shit.
>>147129998Every cartoon/anime reviewing e-celeb (like Mr. Enter, LSMark or RebelTaxi) is the poster child of this, they have no outside reference other than the children cartoons they consume. Then even more retarded knuckle-draggers parrot their opinions because they are mentally retarded faggots that have no inner thought whatsoever.
>>147138935You can tell she wanted to go with a star motif and have her hair in the shape of it, but also wanted a black main character and realized pure blonde hair looked like ass with that skin tone.
>>147128963It's just really bland and forgetful.
>>147129508Try checking the usual places
Ngl the moment I saw pronouns I knew this was bad.Again, we are seeing these unenthusiastic characters that melenials love to write. Just enjoy the genre your making. Let the characters enjoy being magical. Enough with the bathos. When a main character is reluctant to the fantasy and reluctant to tropes that tells the audience that enjoying the genre is cringe, when the audience wanted to watch the product because they liked the genre in the first placeThey should just make the white boy the love interest, its the most interesting dynamic and it will be shipped the most by fans. >>147139344Anon, its ok, just make it. Do you have pics of your characters?>>147138935Looks waaaay better. I couldn't even articulate how blah it looked untill you made the changes. Do u have discord or deventer? I understand if you don't want to doxx yourself.
>>147139344>mainly just asked that cause i have my own magical girl thing i wanna make one day Strongest advice is to just go for it. The fact that the market is so full just means that you have a chance to really think and give your own spin. As long as you don't inject a ton of irony into it and let your own thoughts shine, you'll find an audience.>in relation to recent western media Like I said, Star Vs. is a slight example of slice-of-life magical girl subversiveness via the protagonists eventually questioning whether magical solutions are all that good or necessary. Sailor Nothing is a web story that does it for magical warriors and what happens when one wants to give up but can't.
>>147128963>>147129215>>147129224>>147129235>>147129244>>147129251i guess it's fine, but it just seems like every other twitter artist's generic wet dream dyke pitch and the "magical girl subversion story" is so fucking overdone, there's nothing particularly interesting about this whatsoever.i don't really have an issue with akaina but i lost interest in her art when she started leaning way more into the generic simplified calarts-slop shit, i get that it's partly because she's been working on making this into a pilot so she needs to keep it relatively simple, but it started affecting her work overall more and more and something about her more simplified art just irks me. generally her art from a few years ago was much nicer.
>>147131467in fairness she is actually half-japanese.
>>147128963Imagine if Luke Skywalker in A New Hope spent the entire movie going “UUGHHHH I HATE BEING A STUPID JEDI THIS DEATH STAR PLACE SUCKS I WANNA GO HOME”
>>147129287>>147128963This is character design done right.The MC's stylized braids are adorable.And yay, she gets a cute straight boy pairing.I actually love it.
Cool pitch bible. Can't wait for her to only draw random concept art of it and never turn it into a comic or animatic or pilot or any tangible story whatsoever for people to actually latch onto other than "cute character designs". Cause I guess if a studio doesn't pick up your idea, you're just helpless to make it yourself.
>>147135619Trans shit targeting kids is called grooming and propaganda.
>>147138836In the Japanese version of Cardcaptor Sakura she had "feelings" for Sakurait's CLAMP so "feelings" go beyond romantic/sexual, she loved Sakura beyond simply wanting to just be with herso calling her a "lesbian" or even Sakura-sexual wouldn't be entirely accurateSakura's brother is the actual fag though
>>147132856>Nick is a transgirlDoes that mean Cindy wants to suck her girlcock?
>>147141272sure why notim still kinda working on the meat of it sillily enough, mainly cause a chunk of it is so old and out of date in comparison to everything recent, but yeahi atleast think im confident in how gray some aspects its in than others, like how she likes being a magical girl but not being bossed around by her magical guardian to do so
>>147135619>gets greenlit over Molly's showNothing personal Ostertag
>>147129385anime does it all the time>>147137760Drawing stick figures is easier and nobody learns basic anatomy anymore
>>147129235Unironically, could work if instead of being a villain he was just a rival like Gary Oak or Kaiba.
>>147128963Honestly? The character designs are cute and fun BUT what is wrong with doing a normal magical girl show? Why does it have to be ironic? Why are all 'love letters' ironic? Is it because they actually hate the tropes associated with magical girls?
>>147141548That’s why those stories kill the parents/home. It forces the protagonist to leave and grow.
>>147142372>>147141548Oh yeah, Luke did deny Obi Wan until Owen & Beru were slaughtered, didnt he
>>147142362Because people rewatch things from their childhood with a Mystery Science Theater lens where they can't just go, "Ha-ha, the villains in Sailor Moon are so cool". They have to add a layer of wit like, "Ha-ha, it's so stupid Usagi doesn't recognize Tuxedo Man. How can you not?!". Everyone wants to be funny and being sincere doesn't give you the same immediate satisfaction as making someone laugh.
>>147141696She is making an animatic and already revealed the voice actresses she paid to voice her characters
>>147128963looks cute
>>147128963How come these "I'm tired of being a magical girl" stories never just have the girl hand her cool magic to someone else like, >>147129215 zira would adore to be a magical girl who gets to go on cool adventures and fight evil bad monsters. But NOOOOOOO, it's gotta be the jaded jackass who will eventually amount to literally nothing in their life.I think that'd actually be a much more compelling story, a jaded loser is forced to mentor someone who WANTS to be the hero instead of a loser. Maybe even comes into conflict because the MC is both ignorant of how troubling being a hero is and poking trauma the older one has that they'd rather ignore by sulking around.
>>147135619what was her show?
>>147134479The original context doesn't even matter, because the underlying point is very true and applies to a lot of aspects of animation: that the people creating these shows/movies don't actually enjoy life, or people. They're creating simulacrum of other fantasy media, cartoons based on cartoons, based on video games, based on a comic. Its escapists creating escapism for other escapists. It's a self spiraling culturual toilet. It feels all very empty at best, or cynical at worst.And it's not just applicable to Japanese animation, or western animation, but writing and world building in general.>Insert Marvel "That just happened" meme for reference.
>>147134451>But what he said is very much applicable to all aspects of animation, that's why people use it all the timeNo, you are just parrot repeating what an out of touch coot says.
>>147135710>>147135769Just a straight up animated adaptation of Boyz in da Hood, but with magical girls. Not a parody. Fully sincere. Don't even try to hide the inspiration, it's straight up just a 1:1 adaptation, with magical girl logic added where necessary. Even call it Girlz in da Hood.
>>147130855Because people not watch anime outside of the American editions for Adult Swim/CN.And people are scared of subtitles.
>>147129998So i just have to reference the western canon and some real-world history and I'm cool? seems easy enough...
>>147140124>>147140210cringe
>>147140524Western animation literally uses the same designs of 1920's Mickey Mouse (four fingers, gloves, round shapes). The problem in cartoons in older that Miyazaki itself
Why do people watch magical girl animes anyway?
>>147143962Adapting design trends isn't really a problem though. All art is iterative. The bigger problem is that western animation is largely devoid of pathos, you know that deeply human meaning shit that was infused in all the early Greek tales that make stories like Prometheus, Pandoras box, Flight of Icarus, etc such absolute timeless classics.
>>147143986Cause its cute :)
>>147143986It's anime not and animes and people watch them because they are fun.
>>147143807>The original context doesn't even matter,It does when people use it to claim different things about Miyazaki himself when he has done or said none of them.
>>147128963Cute. Now who is this?
>>147129244>Star GuardianDidn't League already use that?
>>147128963I know it's 4chan but why do we have to hate everything? Why can't I just view media with cold indifference.
>>147131110Trailer for this anime just came out a few days ago.
>>147143986So I can find hot bad guys to oggle at
Imagine living in a world where a literal parody is more truthful to what a Mahou Shoujo should be and at the same type still doing something out of the original series it came out than whatever western stuff it is
>>147129981It’s normal for teachers to talk about their exes to their children students?
>>147128963we already have enough magic girl anime inspired shows as it is>Miraculous Ladybug>Jade Armor>Shasha and Milo>Kitti Katz>She-ra Princess of power>Winx Club>W.I.T.C.H.>Magic Girl Friendship squad>Life and times of Juniper Lee>Lolirock>Mysticons>Z-squad>Angel's Friends>Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders>Sky DancersThere are other shows that are close.like Code Lyoko, Atomic Betty, Totally Spies, Tara Duncan, Star Darlings, Starbeam, Dew Drop Diaries, Magic Mixies, Nella the Princess knightshttps://youtu.be/0oMTmtN7lHI?t=17
>>147138420I did not say interview
>>147144217>Why isn't everyone a mindless consoomer drone? It breaks my infantile immersion
>>14714467075% of these are unknown to the viewing public
>>147135445Cringe
>>147144894Oh boy I sure do love to move the goalposts
>>147144992No, the goalposts are very much fixed in place.People keep rehashing Magic Girl tropes and recycling ideas because most people will never see the previous works that already did it.
>>147141849probably
>>147144217Most people here think the character designs are cute, but the core concept is tired and uninteresting outside of the prospects of porn. Can't always feign joy and whimsy for boring stuff.
>>147140232don't japanese have many statues of dead pincushion benkei? i guess not religious but still gory af.
>>147142406'refusal of the call' i believe it's referred to. i think it's worth remembering luke only does that for about 30 seconds of screentime, then he sees his aunt and uncle's corpses and that's the end of that. >>147142029 thanks anon. but i'm just a humble lurker
>>147144849Thats not what he said. You're still mindlessly consooming just hate consoom instead
>>147134233The show is secretly about exploring kink as a teen and both accepting you can be into weird shit and it doesn't make you a bad person. Wholesome messaging with a shit ton of ecchi + also hot.
>>147128963I like Magical Girls because it's a genre that Western artists and writers are just fundamentally incapable of understanding It's an excellent microcosm of the schism between Eastern and Western aesthetics and character writing.
>>147145197art of sacrificing deities exist worldwide. that said, you gotta admit the proportions are different. you might find, kinda rarely, art of some boddhisatva getting sacrificed, in japan; you go to a church in france and the altar is immediately a man getting killed in the cross. if you're from a culture not used to that, I can see how that'd creep you out.
>>147143986Cause I like watching girls in pretty dresses have misadventures together and beat the crap out of monsters with lasers and kung fu. Why else?>>147144217I DON'T hate it, though. I just think it needs some reworking.
>>147145155>Pathetic white girl serving her black queen
>>147143986Because they are fun? Not all magical girl anime are equal and different types of them appeal to different people but there are plenty of good entries in this cute genre. Ojamajo Doremi and Cardcaptor Sakura are my favorite and I've cried while watching both of them.
433 replies and not a single artfriend itt?Did AI kill all of them?
>>147128963It just feels really “pessimistic” to me. Like the whole vibe and every joke is just the author saying, “This fun magical girl trope? It would actually SUCK,” and it feels somewhat condescending.Fun deconstructions have things left over after the destruction of the original tropes. Like Evangelion, after it destroys mecha tropes, you’re left with intriguing situations and heart-wrenching moments. I wanna watch that. Here, after the destruction of magical girl tropes, there’s shallow humor and a predictable “going to school” story.Plus, I don’t want to watch a main character just moaning and groaning their way through life. I think it’d be better if the MC found some goal they put their frustration towards. Like “SheZow”, where the MC hated their powers, but still worked hard to make their powers work for them, creating an “uphill struggle” that the viewer would admire.
>>147146266Well I'm working on something but it's lewd, so I don't know if anons here would like it.
>>147146309This full on, it’s just a shitty “le realistic” take on the genre and just alone from the comics mai has created, I’m getting really annoying lame vibes from Aika as she’s just so basic and a whiner.It’s why it feels justified to just imagine an Oc or character you like breaking her gruesomely. I mean it’s messed up but it feels…good
>>147146266SIGH Ok what do you want?
>>147146489Well that depends, do you do cute only or cute and funny?
>>147146506
>>147146251>cried Kek what a pussy, what was so sad
>>147146525Eggscellent, how about some very classic magical girl tentacles.
>>147146525>>147146489those tight spats demand a showing of her buns
>>147130905Knowing the industry they'd make her either a villain with some loose moral about how you should be content with being an aimless cuck or a comic relief punching bag who gets her shit kicked in 24/7 and has to be saved by the reluctant hero every single timeSuch a Protagonist is both unrelatable to the current westerner as they on average don't have the money or drive to do anything other than smoke pot and waste away in their shitty apartment or parent's basement, and current artists despise such people because ambitious types remind them too much of the Chads and Stacies they envied throughout high schoolMost media circa the mid late 2000s has just been Nerds and Losers masturbating themselves over how they're the actual cool ones
>>147146489I would very much like to see some cute Aika x Eclipse stuff.
>>147146538Watch the shows and find out.
I've read most of the messages posted by the anons in this thread.I just can say that I do agree about the idea that they had said of the concept of this project is very basic and less imaginative despite having good character design, because it uses ideas that had been already done before without fully understanding them. And this makes the author be one of the many "Millenials Media Producers" that tries to do the same and fails at trying it.Despite that, I do also se it as a promising idea that would make this project succeed in some way, and if that happens, I hope it can receive enough support so Kiana can have enough feedback to flesh the ideas of her work and improve it to be better than it was.
>>147146489Aika making out with DeVoid
>>147130081This mentality usually ends up in a race to the bottom, where all dialogue is stripped of any personality to be as purely utilitarian as possible.
>>147130043Ladies gotta have some "Va-Voom"Some "Bada-Boom"
>>147140529>pure blonde hair looked like ass with that skin tone.
>>147146661I’m asking what scene you cried to, I watched both and never cried to anything
>>147146733The main thing it needs is someone else to flesh out the characters or at least give it a stronger hook than "Magic girl is burned out". Like if her active goal were to find a legitimate excuse to quit or pass her "job" onto someone else instead of solely "be normal". And I only say someone else because sometimes creators can be a bit too married to their baby, and they need a second perspective to help them refine the raw idea into something solid. If they did that, it'd probably be something /co/ would find watchable.
>>147146182canonically speaking, she actually wuz kangz
>>147146936Finale of sharp and the last episode of Dokkan + The Naisho Nozomi episode for ODThe great-grandfather episode for CCS
>>147146539 https://files.catbox.moe/l7loi0.png actually drawing her is a nightmare. Her long pigtails are too much and I cant see a little Korean slave constantly drawing frames of that
>>147147459Well it's a start, I'd recommend not making it so dark though.Can't see shit.
>>147128963Who the fuck is Akaina Mai?
>>147146733Given the echo chamber she seems to be in I think this is as far as it's going to develope. No one is going to give her honest feedback on twitter - unironically the best thing she could do is read this thread, but she'd probably ignore any of the actual criticism.
>>147147459>simple shapes>can't see them being drawn consistently by someone who does nothing but drawKorean tweeners draw more complex shit all the time, this would probably be easy
>>147146309to an extent they do this with any genre for kids. 'if a real kid had to face a dark lord it would fuck him up for life, where are the responsible adults to stop him having to do anything for himself!!' ignoring that confronting your fears is the point of books like harry potter and other kid hero books.
>>147128963Reminder that she got a gf before you
>>147148108Why you're stalking a normal person?
>>147147993That and 4chan already has a repute for being a den of hate, even if most of that is cause of /pol/, so normal people to automatically presume the worst even if the advice is solid and agnostic of any political affiliations
>>147148165It’s literally on her insta
>>147148165>normal
>>147148186frankly it is a fetid den of hate, but even a stopped clock can have correct opinions about anime sometimes
>Western pronoun faggotry>brown "magical girl">"ironically" appropriating the convention of Japanese stories with silly titles without understanding why it exists on the first placeInto the bin with it. Garbage.
>>147129633Your gayslop is cliché and retarded. No one wants to see that shit, and only confused, permanently online teenagers and aged out Millennial women ever gave a damn to begin with.Your ideas are bad, and you should feel bad.
>>147148049They know this but since most of these new age writers and animators are/were sheltered nerds who use/used fiction ad escapism they don't have any actual experiences to draw from, thus they project a cope for their own lack of experience and development into the characters and stories they writeWhy else do you think the reluctant hero trope is so popular? It's an easy way of comforting themselves, with the added effect of instilling a lack of ambition and acceptance of mediocrity in children that makes them into aimless adults, which the elite love
>>147148365>>147138555>>147140317What would I Hate Fairyland's name be if it was a Japanese light novel?
>>147148365>Complaining about 'muh cultural appropriation'Actually worse than the pronouns in their bio. You will never be Japanese.
>>147128963If I were to come up with the most generic slop that sums up all the most overused tropes in our time, it would be this.
>>147148187Why are you stalking her social media?
>>147143732https://ostertag.substack.com/p/neon-galaxyIt's rumored that it got passed in favor of a Gummi Bears reboot and a new Noah Z. Jones cartoon
>>147128963>>147129244If I wasn't gonna be gone for like a week I'd draw her with Lady DeVoid doing things to her
>>147149016>Modern audience slopI'm glad this was passed
>>147146866Then maybe it's just my opinion cause I still think that clashes and looks weird compared to black.
>>147148535"I'm trapped in my ten-year-old body in a magical land and I want to get out"
>>147149377>hen maybe it's just my opinionIt probably is. The original makes me think of caramel which is extremely appealing.
>>147149016if they want this shit greenlit they need to learn self restraint. like orange is the new black or steven universe, you start with a white normie or 'aliens' and then you phase in the homos as side characters once you get greenlit. you don't put the trannies in on the first pass.
>>147149425Ah yes, the Aqua Teen Hunger Force method.>>147149016I skimmed though and did not see signs of woke besides the SU-like art style
>>147149403I always thought Gert was ~5 when she arrived in Fairyland.
>>147149619Yeah but if it was Japanese, she might be aged up a bit just to appeal to the lolicon crowd more. Ten or twelve or something. Exactly the same personality and design, but now she's "technically' trapped in a twelve-year-old body.
>>147149649Really?
>>147149681I dunno, I know manga titles are meant to stick out because they're in a sea of competition so I figured going for fetish bait was the way. Does the lolicon crowd actually go for "1000-year old dragon in 5-year old body"? I always thought it was like, twelve or so. Right before the teen years. I don't know much about the lolicon crowd. I think we just need good ol' fashioned, simple rule34 of characters like Mandy or Raven without the bells and whistles.
>>147149377The black hair looks worse
>>147149719To be frank, most lolicon characters don't look like actual children, but more like children-shaped dolls, which definitely isn't better but probably better gives you an idea what they're looking for. The whole "1000-year old dragon in 5-year old body" is to justify them talking and acting like adults while still looking young enough so they can excuse away the moral quandaries with "she's mentally mature enough to consent".
>>147128963normie look is literally just Luz
>>147144666This promise is so retarded I find it hard to believe it worked
Wish I could make a magical girl show. Though I can't promise it'd be much better.
>>147129015>it's okay for slop to get made because it's """""something"""""
>>147149377Nta, the dark is actually better. The blonde would be better if the suit is a different, lighter, brighter colour or if the blonde is a different tone.Dark hair and the dark suit combo suits fits nicely into a particular 'colour season" (a styling colour pallete guide based on hair colour and skin tone) which would be 'deep autumn' in this case. The blonde and the dark blue/green suit combo makes her face look washed out. Ariana Grande has the same colour season- dark autumn - does she look better blonde or better with darker hair? I think the answer is obvious. Why are colour seasons helpful for character design? It's a cheat code to making harmonious designs.
>>147128963Didn't Kiana emotionally abuse her gf
>>147129439It's funny how this is always the cope responseNo not everyone is jealous, sometimes someone is genuinely baffled that something that doesn't look exceptional is laudedWhy do you fags get so defensive when people don't like what you like?
>>147150772Make something better or cry about it
>>147150786 is ment for >>147149745>>147142362>Is it because they actually hate the tropes associated with magical girls?The Magic girl genre is a cultural, archetypal story telling framework about a girl becoming an idealised older female version of herself, who uses her idealised femininity as power.These woke adjacent creators are uncomfortable with their own femininity so they reject the whole premise yet they want to be a part of it secretly, thus they outwardly are reluctant to enjoy the thing they inwardly enjoy. It's sorta like they are asking permission to enjoy something that goes againsts their moral framework, and the echo Chambers of social circles- the moral framework is that traditional femininity discovers women, but in Japan and Europe (where Winx and W.i.t.c.h. and meraculous ladybug originated) traditional femininity is seen as empowering.There are many Japanese shows about femininity being empowered and breaking away from the patriarchy - like Utena, but these characters are still feminine in their power and outward appearance.It comes from internalised misogyny that these woke creators can't see traditional femininity as empowering, not even against a patriarchy but rather a nuisance. They want a lack of gender, not one gender overpowering another like in Utena, not two genders working togeather but no gender - hence we have a they/them character.
>>147150991*the moral framework is that traditional femininity disempowers women
>>147150991>muh japanese women are feminine and dainty flowers of womanhoodkek no. the actual answer is more boring: western millenials are detached, ironic and allergic to sincerity. this is why the only superheroes we get these days are edgy parodies. and it is why the only good 'western magical girl' is steven universe because that show wasn't afraid to be cringe.
>>147150786You realize the reccomendation for people with dark skin is to wear light colored suits, right? It's this thing called "contrast." By turning her hair darker her overall value scheme is shifted to have significantly less contrast and makes her stand out less. Dark skin/light hair has been a thing for decades and it looks good. Go ahead and tell me how Pirotess/drow would look better with dark hair, I dare you.
>>147135619Are there people out there genuinely outraged over this decision?2 of out of 4 of the main characters being trans is absolutely insane, trans representation in a silly toddler cartoon is also insane. I applaud Disney for showing some kind of restraint when dealing with identity politics.
>>147138935This blows OP out of the water. Isn't the artist supposed to be a animator? You would think they would've gone for a more simple approach like this. Also, this made me actually read the bio and man this character sounds annoying as hell>All Aika wants is to live a normal life, make friends and go to schoolYeah, because school is just so fucking great
>500+ repliesClearly there's credit to this idea if it brings this much attention
>>147151199popular thing made by a popular user that was crossposted from a popular website with the incentive to bash on it gets lots of replies, doesn't seem like rocket science to me
Does someone renember that manga where a bootleg iron man, and a bootleg sailor moon teamed up to beat a bunch of aliens and monsters?
>>147151199Nobody likes this idea, though.
>>147151069As I wrote the europeans are also able to make magical girls. They design them feminine outwardly and inwardly, and are successful.I agree, bathos or lack of sincerity is a main part of the issue, the whole premise of this pitch is full of bathos. However bathos is the symptom, the root cause is a rejection of gendered archetypes.I beleive bathos comes from the popularity of deconstruction. The archetypal story of the hero is a story of sincerity, a story of struggle and transformation. This hero archytype is gender based in popular modern media - for men that is the superhero , and for women that is the magical girl. So the deconstruction, the bathos is a rejection of gender based tropes, by saying this doesn't matter, it says gender norms and particular gendered human pathways to empowerment are unimportant.Hence why there a joke that the blonde boy hetero love interest, who is a parody of tuxedo mask is deluded. Instead of having the characters be sincere with their feelings, the feelings are stupid, because a male love interest is stupid, because of deconstruction, because of post modernism and american feminism. >>147151102Re read what I wrote Either change the suit and keep the blonde hair or change the hair and keep the colour of the suit. She can even still be blonde but have a different tone.You can google colour seasons, there are plenty of videos about it if you are interested in the theory. A Colour pallete that works doesn't have the same values. If you look at the deep autumn colour pallete you can find many values. If you don't understand colour seasons then it might be a difficult theory to grasp, but it is easy to learn.
>>147151323My dude, values trump colors. A good value scheme will always work better than a bad one, regardless of color. If you want to get into color theory, the blonde hair also balances the suit by countering the cool colors there. General color theory and value structures 100% trump dogmatic fashion theories that rarely even work well for character design. And this is some basic bitch color theory shit - dark, cool colors, balanced by warm, light colors. Her skin sits at a midtone to stand out against the dark suit and the light hair, which pops against the dark hat, creating a stepped effected that draws attention to her face. Kino shit.
>>147151557I get what you mean by readability, but it doesn't look the best. It's not the most easy on the eye.Here are some examples of the same character where the blonde and skin tone matches the blue/green a bit better but it's not perfect imo. The character on the right is an example of a beautiful colour pallete on a blonde brown skined character.
>>147151557>And this is some basic bitch color theoryAlso, explain the theory if it's so basic.
>>147151671Nta but values are really basic stuff.Putting light colors or similarly dark colors together often harms readibility.
>>147151572AWOOOOGA
>>147151572That is cool.
>>147151671Light against dark, warm against cool, using contrast to improve readability. I said as much->dark, cool colors, balanced by warm, light colors. The real shit to avoid in stuff like this is heavily saturated complementaries next to each other, i.e. candy apple red next to apple green, because that shit will fuck with your eyes and is genuinely unpleasent to look at. As a general rule, values >>>>> colors. If your value scheme is working you can get away with a lot on the color side since the values are going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting anyways.>>147151656>not the most easy on the eyesBecause Haruko's blazing red against jet black and pure white is? It looks fine in context and is far from hard on the eyes(esp. given the desaturated palettes the show uses). This is nitpicking.
>>147151928Whoops, forgot image.
>>147128963I would rather just ignore it and let it fade into obscurity, thanks OP. And yeah, I know this is counterproductive.
>>147149929Nah, the "1000 year old in a 5 year old body" thing is mainly done so you can have a loli/shota character with an actual personality.5 year olds tend to not be very interesting, which is fine if you're making a Yotsuba type character, but not so much in a fantasy adventure setting.
>>147151772>>147151928Sorry anons I'm dyslexic, I thought the anon was calling colour season theory basic. I know what values are. Sorry for the confusion. Also, colour season theory and contrasting values don't have to be mutually exclusive.Haruko looks nice because those reds, pinks and blues go well together. Even though we consider red a warm tone and blue cool, technically there can still be warm reds and cool blues.As you see on haruko she is wearing both warm reds and warm blues.The blues present on the Kitsuru character are cool. They clash with the orange of her hair and not in a good way. The images in >>147151656 have a more cohesive pallet, the hair is more ashy then brassy so they don't clash with the uniform.I do wonder what the value difference between the skin and hair of the black haired edited Kitsuru character is, vs her original blonde and skin vs harukos hair and skin value difference is. I can't be bothered to go on clip studio to find out because I have chores to do. If any anon wants to test it please do. It would be interesting. Her skin isn't that dark, I think there's contrast in the edit, but the hat is too dark with the dark hair for her to look like a main character.
>>147153020I'm not reading any of these arguments.At the end of the day, brown skin + blonde hair looks great.
