Is there a word for when a show goes on for so long that the characters look out of place on their own show? Because in season 1 you see a lot of characters that share traits like Bart's hair being seamless with his head, or characters having muzzles. But modern simpsons makes extras and guest stars look like realistic caricatures, to the point the simpsons seem out of place among them.
>>147144218so characters only exist because they fell through the cracks
>>147144230>so fuck im tired those*
>>147144218The closest thing I could find was the tv trope of "the artifact."The simpsons eyes are quite large compared to the modern designs so the glasses look quite big on the others.
>>147144218there are a lot of videos about this, and the varying rules from the creators about how weird characters are allowed to look.both simpsons and futurama did the same trend of moving away from their own styles over time, though. just to a bland general realism.
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>>147144520>this ain't Don BluthYeah, we know
>>147144520I never got the Don Bluth hate even if I'm not a big fan of his movies
>>147144520>NO CARTOONING IN THE CARTOON!
>>147144218There's a video on how these characters broke the art guidelines that weren't enforced until the Simpsons became a little more standardized.
>>147144218Not really a cartoon example but artstyle shifts in Pokemon are extremely apparent.
South Park has a ton like this now
>>147144230>>147144239it's ok, anon. i'm sure this was correct in the 17th century.
>>147144520simpsons perfectly sticking to model sheets and rules might've been the worst choice they made for their visuals. it was a lot more charming when it was essentially just an animated comic strip. i love it when they break model or have a funny face. why would you ever want a cartoon to not look like one?
>>147146089Agreed
>>147144218>Because in season 1 you see a lot of characters that share traits like Bart's hair being seamless with his head, or characters having muzzles.Not really, that photo you posted is the only real case where thay happened. It was decided pretty early on to make any trait of the Simpsons household exclusive to them.
>>147144218yeah there's probably a word for it
>>147146089i still remember that weird episode with the babysitter because it had fun animation.
>>147144218What do they bring to the table?
>>147148772It's more that simpsons characters look increasingly out of place among newer characters.
has there ever been a simpsons guest star appearing as themselves in both an early season and a modern season? if so, did the design change?
>>147149214that's never happened once
>>147144218They brought back the french guys who kidnapped Bart in that season 1 episode and look extremely out of place
>>147144465>can't draw shit on model>have to fill the entire audience with characters with separated eyes>including the main characters
>>147144218They still have the overbite though
>>147149231joe frazier 1992
>>147149415and 2006
>>147144218Nonstandard Simpsons
>>147144218I can't think of a single word or phrase for it, but "design drift" might be appropriate. It's a bit like what you see in multiplayer video games when prestige skins get created. COD, for example, started with a relatively grounded military aesthetic. Some characters where more exotic gear than you'd expect to actually see anyone using, but they're still within the realm of a grounded modern military thriller. Then you get more and more exaggerated characters, halloween outfits, crossovers with other series, until finally you've got Nikki Minaj fighting Jigsaw while a Space Marine lays down covering fire for John Wick.
>>147146089That kind of thinking is how we end up with Steven Universe
>>147144218here's a weird fuckin thing about the Simpsons: Moe and Mr Burns are, respectively, Hank Azaria and Harry Shearer doing Chris Latta impressions. Like syllable-perfect Chris Latta impressions, because he originated both roles. They've changed over the years, Burns does a lot less sneering, Moe doesn't mutter all the time, just for effect, but they're Chris Latta impressions. The fucking Cobra Commander/Starscream guy who played the derpy aliens in that one TNG episodeonce you hear it, everything after S1 sounds weird because you thought it was just Azaria and Shearer bedding into the roles that season, but they didn't even do the voices for those characters until S2
>>147149424conan o'brien 1994
>>147149848and 2021
>>147144218>modern simpsonsTo be fair, they got rid of that type of character design relatively early in the series.
>>147144976Yeah.https://youtu.be/4Iqdp77y_3c
>>147144520>>147146089Is Matt Groening autistic or what?
>>147149916idk if simpsons felt this way or started it or what, but there's a real palabable sense that a show having less animation + being worse to look at makes it for grownups, as well as prioritizes the writers (who are so obviously superior to the dumb pencil monky animators)
>>147149954It just goes back to underground comix stylesAdult cartoons got their foothold in zines, which were intrinsically zero-budget, grimy, xeroxed-looking outsider art
>>147149916Style consistency is a good thing actually.
>>147150004ironic that these shows have become so entrenched as commercial pillars, making them surreal is now zine fodder
>>147149844Crazy what a meal ticket he missed out on. Apparently Sam Simon didn't like him. Maybe he was too flaky thanks to the coke, the details of how he died are still kind of vague but it was a brain hemorrhage and cocaine tends to contribute to that
>>147149954in the early days gabor csupo would have very heated arguments with james brooks and matt groening about the 'cartooniness' of the simpsons. notably, brooks and groening absolutely hated how animated that babysitter episode was. they thought people would associate cartooniness with hanna-barbera, and thus think the show was for children. which doesnt even make sense to me, because1) HB is known for stiff limited animation, and2) early Simpsons episodes had a very HEAVY emphasis on Bart, a child. and the popularity of the show was carried by its early child fans, bartmanianeedless to say, klasky-csupo was eventually fired from the projectthen around the time simpsons had its transition to HD, i remember reading a piece about the backlash over how stiff the reanimated intro was. some unnamed animators in the story said they had actually made a much more lively version, but were forced to do it over again more stiff after screening it for the executives
>>147150627Every time I hear about executives I become more convinced they should have their testicles surgically removed.
>>147150627thanks for depressing confirmation, anon
>>147150627They probably were associating Hanna-Barbera with the golden age Tom and Jerry shorts. Which funnily enough were still you know, not intended just for children.
>>147150627well, ultimately your job is to give your client want they want right? like where does this retarded idea come from that being an animator is like some kind of holy vocation or some shit. it's a good solid artist job.It wasn't what they were looking for visually and honestly it's fine. the show looks great basically throughout the entirety of the 90 and still had plenty of time for fun animated stuff. frankly i understand where they were coming from, the style of the babysitter episode is just distinctly "non-simpsons" feeling.like this pic here: >>147150098this isn't like "charming" it just looks like a fucking mess, lazy even.>>147149844that's actually pretty cool, i didn't know what.
>>147149275looks like an OC
>>147149275the thing he's holding being so much more fiddly and complicated than he is, it's bad to look at.
>>147150664>surgicallySurgically? I say we use a sledge hammer
>>147150029Proofs?
>>147144218>>147150098>Its a Background characters are drawn like shit EPISODE!Kinda reminds me of one video shitting on Disney characters that werent the main ones while sucking up Miyazaki, but man there were some abominations.
>>147150098where's his spotlight episode
>>147151835You're the reason for this shit You disgust me
>>147150627bagge's stuff is as cartoony as it gets but about mature topics. the first few seasons were cartoony in other ways, like daydream sequences and surreal gags. new seasons dont really have gags and the surreal quality is completely gone
>>147144520>>147149892This is like actual schizo autism
>>147151835imagine you run an italian restaurant and some dude comes in ordering 100 pizzas with no sauce
Rick and morty has this to an extent. Everyone feels a little too polished.The new Power puff girls had this.Potentially it might be a new trope.
>>147149844I always forget it wasn't always Shearer and Azaria voicing those characters, so I'm always thrown for a loop when watching Season 1 Simpsons.
>>147149865He actually got more Simpson-eaque.
>>147152093>>147144520>>147144218it's not just the fucking characters either. the backgrounds, the props, the colors. it's as if all life had been sucked out of the show
>>147149275They brought them back again this season and they look even more out of place.
>>147149653>Vinny Dieselhttps://youtu.be/wYcVZLQHA_k?feature=shared&t=49
>>147154387>>147149275jesas
>>147151835It didn’t take long for a bootlicker to start showing up, what do you get by defending modern Slopsons?
>>147151835>It wasn't what they were looking for visually and honestly it's fineThat’s what makes it retarded, the Simpsons isn’t done in a realistic style like KOTH that would require constant on-model methods. It resembles a cartoony comic strip. Telling animators to make a cartoony looking show stiff is like asking for a hamburger without the buns and beef. It doesn’t make for a good meal. The Simpsons had no chance of falling like Fish Police or Family Dog did because the writing carried it. Nobody would’ve cared about it looking cartoony, if anything it actually would’ve made adults embrace bouncy animation more
>>147149214Seasons 14, 19, and 34.
>>147144619love him or hate him you gotta admit his movies are pretty schmaltzy
>>147144520Why are you guys offended by this? It's not even trash-talking Bluth's films, just specifying The Simpsons's house style. I'm pretty sure this was drawn during the Klasky Csupo days, too.
>>147154777Geeze what did they do to him in season 34?
>>147155523they gave up on trying to make caricatures that fit the simpsons style and now just draw celebrities as accurately as possible
>>147151923ewww, you're right
>>147144218one of the worst offenders in this regard is Phineas & Ferb, most of the main cast just stick out like sore thumbs* compared to most of the background and one-off characters or for that matter when compared to the cast of Milo Murphy's Law, some of this is of course an artifact of how long P&F was being shopped around before Disney picked it up, the main cast still have a rather early to mid 90's character style to them heavy on unusual head shapes, while outside of the main cast the design language had shifted to a much more unified and natural style*Candace probably is affected by this the worst aside from maybe the titular duo themselves, Doof meanwhile is of course absolutely perfect the way he is
>>147144520Souless
>>147144218There is no single word for that, I'd just say that the characters have "outlived their style" or "outlived their original design".Are you trying to come up with a title for a TVTropes page?
>>147156221I don't agree. The incidentals on PnF are still wonky and stylized enough to make everything fit well together aesthetically. I'm worried the revival might have some style dissonance, though...
>>147156245ew gross
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>>147149848>>147149865
>>147156267>spoiler We'll need to form a prayer circle
>>147155803yeah that's pretty much a simpsons' yellow Weird Al and not Werid Al in the Simpsons' style
>>147155518because they're trying to define the point at which they started hating it, when the truth is they never liked the show until it was on-model and now they're trying to pretend they only liked it up until that point>>147154777but isn't the middle one representing him in the 90s when he did look like that? and the left is how he looked 10 years later even though it was made earlier than the middle, and the right is how he looks now?you guys know people change over time right
>>147149809>Then you get more and more exaggerated characters, halloween outfits, crossovers with other series, until finally you've got Nikki Minaj fighting Jigsaw while a Space Marine lays down covering fire for John Wick.You know it's gotten really bad when Crowbcat makes a video about it.https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rhv2CHLo6Nc
>>147156498Fuck forgot pic.I think it's interesting to compare with what he looked like in Futurama (1999).
>>147149842No, we ended up with Steven Universe because character models, designs, and proportions weren't uniform in key frames. There's a difference between squash-and-stretch and going off-model for movement/emotion, and going off-model on key frames.
>>147158058no we ended up with steven universe because layout departments aren't a thing anymore. they make the storyboard artists do literally everything these days.
