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>>147144609Kek.
>>147144648Thanks OP.
Im enjoying this, Apokolitian civil war and now to be destroyed by the Anti-source gods, it feels like theres some actual stakes
>>147144626hey look it's that guy
>>147144595I don't if this art is good or not.
>>147144582Is the redhead in the purple supposed to be Tigra or Bekka?
>>147144601Holy shit, Orion has a light bike?
>>147144604These characters were once the same height. now she's chunky giantess, which is tied with feet as the dumbest fucking fetish of all time. Also this art is terrible.
>>147144648interesting read so far, very Ram V with all that implies
>>147144604Barda = SECKS
>>147144573Fuck you, you’re not my real Highfather.
I like Fourth World but only Allred got 4th World.
>>147144573>Darkseid has fallen >Billions must die
>>147144601Kudos to Cagle for making the astro harness look cool for the first time in history
>>147144626Dont know much about the forever people but isnt this guy supposed to be slme sort of space hippie
>>147144590Has anyone taken a shot at deciphering the language of the gods yet?
>>147144573Ok
>>147146179Yes
>>147144573Anyone else thinks this guy is an expy of the Scarlet King from over in SCP? Please tell me I'm not crazy.
>>147145269He does not, I assume this is an attempt to make the harness scooter thing cool. Any day now, they will acknowledge it's an actual manifestation of the Astro Force and not just a random piece of New Genesis technology like most New God media has treated it.>>147146179I assume living through the New 52 and what it did to the Forever People (hint: One of them owning the Anti-Life Equation was a major point point, and their run was ultimately cancelled before it could be resolved) fucks you up.>>147144634>considered officially part of Darkseid's household along with Kalibak and Granny>considered a friend by MetronDamn, Desaad has really come up in the world from just being some poor sap a younger Darkseid fucked up.
>>147146581>Astro Force and not just a random piece of New Genesis technology like most New God media has treated it.The impression I got, is that it is device used by Orion to channel his astro force.
>>147146694In Justice League Odyssey at least, it's very much "just" supposed to be New Genesis war gear and the Astro Force isn't even mentioned as something Orion has. In fact, come to think of it I don't think anyone has confirmed Orion has the Astro Force in YEARS
>>147145859I respect your opinion but strongly disagree. Only Kirby got it right.
>>147146581>Damn, Desaad has really come up in the world from just being some poor sap a younger Darkseid fucked up.He killed Darkseid's mother after all.
>>147144582Serifan isn't alongside the rest of the forever people
>>147146802I'm just amazed anyone still cares about the Forever People at all, myself.
>>147146811I was just pointing a possible bit of foreshadowing.>Caring for the forever people.The original run was a fun read, it was mix of Scooby-Doo and superheroes, it needed more polish here and there.
>>147145373Barda was at always at least 2 inches taller than Scott, but yeah, the difference has been exaggerated these days. No doubt a nefarious plot by the soiboy illumanti to normalize the muscle mommy fetish
>>147147005Honestly, I find the idea of artists having shit taste in women more despicable than the idea that Barda bulking is part of some kind of 5D chess plan for the lizard people to control me through comics I read online for free without supporting the creators anyway.
>>147144604It looks like he is rock HARD in this scene lolC'mon just look at it I am not even imagining it
>>147147209All i can think about is that this is the SECOND time Highfather has ordered Orion to go on a mission to kill a baby for the greater good, and I'm still amazed that not only is this happening but that there was first time at all.
Evan Cagle ones are the best covers
>>147146581Wonder If Ram has read that one. He's a great writer and continuity nerd but not an Ewing/Williamson level of "Has read every obscure story you've never heard of".
>>147144604V mentioned in an interview with some YouTube that Barda would grow in size the angrier she got in battle. Which isnt a bad idea, really, a modernization of the powers of the gods has a long time coming.
>>147144586Thank god a good writer decides to tackle the Great Darkness after Dark Crisis wasted its potential.
>>147147479Oh, come on. It was bad enough when they inflicted that on She-Hulk.
>>147147435Serifan is a white dude in this, in didio reboot he was retconed to be a black woman.>>147147479I wonder if he will change Orion's rage form.
>>147144586>>147147514>Justice League Incarnate claimed that the Source/Presence/Overvoid's emergence drove the Great Darkness to revenge>Dark Crisis itself established that actually the Great Darkness is totally chill about everything and doesn't give a shit (and that therefore didn't actually care about the Empty Hand trying to release it), calling the entire JLI backstory into canon>Now New Gods is seemingly recanonising JLI's accountIt's really funny that as of right now, JLI's explanation of the Great Darkness is probably canon but also the Great Darkness doesn't give a single shit about being rent asunder by God and everyone was just wrong about it harbouring malice for existence.It also has odd implications about Apokolips since JLI established that Darkseid is literally the Darkness' left hand but this "scavenger" thing doesn't seem to acknowledge or recognise him.
>>147147552>also has odd implications about Apokolips since JLI established that Darkseid is literally the Darkness' left hand but this "scavenger" thing doesn't seem to acknowledge or recognise him.Metron mentioned in the previous issue that "another hand of Darkness aproaches" so Im sure JL Incarnate is being taken into account.
>>147147479>V mentioned in an interview with some YouTube that Barda would grow in size the angrier she got in battle. Which isnt a bad idea, really, a modernization of the powers of the gods has a long time coming.she should turn in to a dragon or assume a more monstrous form something with a more fantastical bent to it than just being big-ger barda, it fits with new gods stuff better>>147147521>Oh, come on. It was bad enough when they inflicted that on She-Hulk.complaining about the handful of female characters this happens to when it's their whole thing is lame and retarded. we musclefags only get 3-4 jacked, thick, mini-giantesses and you still have the rest of almost the entirety of female capeshit characters.
I've only read the Kirby New Gods, I'm enjoying this but a little lost whenever a later development is brought up. I never did finish Forever People though, and seeing Serifan show up maybe I'll go back and finish it to complete the Kirby stories.
>>147147978>I've only read the Kirby New Gods, I'm enjoying this but a little lost whenever a later development is brought up. I never did finish Forever People though, and seeing Serifan show up maybe I'll go back and finish it to complete the Kirby stories.after kirby there's almost no real continuity with the new gods at all. they're probably the one set of their characters dc has treated the worst aside from maybe stuff bought from other publishers or tie in originals.
>>147148011>after kirby there's almost no real continuity with the new gods at allThe main thing I'm confused about is Darkseid being dead, did that happen recently?
>>147148084The DC all in special, he killed himself and was reborn as the essence of the absolute universe and is currently incubating there
>>147148264The implication I got from this is issue is that the kid everyone is after is Darkseid reincarnated.
>>147148305That's what Metron told Desaad and Highfather to get the prophecy ball rolling, the source probably told him the whereabouts of the true Darkseid.
>>147144639That third row middle panel of Desaad looks highly exploitable
>>147146206It shouldn't be too hard, the last issue had a decent rosetta stone page. I'm just not autistic enough to care to lay it out.
>>147148084>The main thing I'm confused about is Darkseid being dead, did that happen recently?it's happened like five fucking times but see >>147148264
>>147145859I remember that forager mini a few years back in which Metron was the bad guy and portrayed as this guy who sought the secrets of the source but would never acquire them because of his arrogance, which I think is more in line with Kirby's vision. Still, Ram's portrayal of Metron as a trickster agent of the source isnt completely contradictory either.
>>147145373Barda was always taller than Scott, Barda is probably one of the tallest superheros in DC
>>147147375The New Gods go so fucking hard man.
>>147145373It’s a fetish designed in a lab to infantalize and diminish a certain subset men. Who? Well, you don’t seem to see many black or Mexican men posting about, “ungh, muscle mommy Thicc milkers,” do ya?
>>147150740Ive seen it plenty in hispanic men. Plus Barda is supposed to be big anyways, fetish be damned.
>>147147967>we musclefagsI'm specifically annoyed because your people inflicted it on other girls instead of staying in your lane. Be happy with Orca.
>>147147978I've read both Kirby's New Gods and the later developments. I'm just grimly waiting for Grail to show up.>>147148305Yeah no like >>147148264 said that's a crock of shit, note the slimy CEO guy being marked with the omega symbol. Darkseid's not gone, he just decided to take his ball and go home.>>147151352I'm actually fine with Barda being taller than Scott because she was from the elite warrior caste and he was for all intents and purposes a lowly, but this new design is like drawing Wonder Woman as a gorilla.
>>147144626>Forever Peopleyay>Serifan is a baddieaww
>>147144634So Desaad is first in the line of sucession after Darkseid's children >Kalibak died in the All in special>Orion refused to take the responsability again >Grayven forgotten in Limbo>Grail playing lackey in King's Wonder Woman
>>147151915Its escalation. Darkseid used to be slightly taller than a human and now he's like 20 feet tall.
>>147152694I wouldn't be shocked if Orion's plot in however long Ram V has this planned out is to ascend the throne
>>147144626I remember Morrison's Final Crisis sketches had concept art of the forever people in which Big Bear was wearing a Darkseid shirt, as a sort of evolution of the idea that they were counter culture kids in a world of freedom, capable of questioning anything. So maybe Serifan is going through his chud phase here.
>>147153660Darkseid used to be small enough to sit in a chair in a regular guy's apartment, but those days are gone.
>>147147552>Dark Crisis itself established that actually the Great Darkness is totally chill about everything and doesn't give a shitMan that was such a stupid, nonsense twist. JL Incarnate established an interesting unified theory for the workings of the DC Omniverse with a lot of potential and Dark Crisis wasted multiple pages walking back on it on a twist that contributed nothing. Yeah sure, Pariah corrupted the Darkness, what about Darkseid, Mandrakk, and the Anti Montior, avatars of the Darkness that precede Pariah for billions of years.
>>147151880>I'm specifically annoyed because your people inflicted it on other girls instead of staying in your lane. Be happy with Orca.barda was always the dc musclefu, artists just didn't discover how to draw strong women until the late 80s and still aren't good at it. orca's depictions have also been pretty bad for a long time.
>>147144582Wonder if we'll see the Empty Hand down the line in this run >Ram V mentioned the scavenger wasn't the "biggest" villain in the story >Already incorporated the idea that the Great Darkness acts through hands >Empty Hand is shown to be associated to the New gods since its debut in multiversity >This run's structure will be based on indian mythology about the end of the world. The cyclical destruction and remaking of the world in indian mythology could have an analogue in the empty hand's impulse of crisis events.
>>147154108used to be Apokolips was the size of a Galaxy an the New gods were titanic in size, but the boom tube 'corrects' it when they teleport. Supergirl once flew to Apokolips manually and was surprised on how big it was. No one ever remembers it these days.
>>147144604THIGHS
>>147156525I don't remember it from Kirby
>>147157809IIRC in Super powers by Kirby it was stated that New Genesis was considerably larger than earth. But the "New Gods are larger than worlds" thing was started by Pollack I think.
>>147147552>>147154202I think the Morrisonian explanation still holds. The Great Darkness should represent the ultimate destructive aspects of the DCU whether it be Anti-Monitor in CoiE or Mandrakk/Darkseid in FC or the Empty Hand in Multiversity and that these events are its contribution because that's its nature. In contrast the Source represents the ultimate "creative" aspect whether it be creating New Gods or creating lore like the Speed Force/Emotional Spectrum/Elemental Parliaments.
>>147158553A lot of people didnt like the Empty Hand being an extension of the great darkness because they prefered the more meta interpretation from Multiversity, but I think in the hands of a competent writer it even enhances the metaphor. If the Empty Hand is the hand of the stagnant cape reader, the Great Darkness is the ultimate reality in which it exists, encompassing all consumption and concerned only with itself at the expense of ridding fictional existence of all life, multiversity and significance. The self centered ambition of Darkseid, Mandrakk's hunger, the Gentry's nihilism, all emanations of the Great Darkness' primal anti impulse.
>>147158376Thanks, someday I will read super powersm
>>147146581Didio did n52 forever people right? Kinda sad he was the only one who cared for these characters
>>147161147Yes, he did, oddly enough, big bear was Orion 2.
>>147144623>>147144626>>147144628Cant imagine Scott and Max's meeting will be a happy one
