>>147147150What else they're going to do about it? sing a song and hope to turn bad guys into good people?
>>147147150Yes, next question
>>147147150Yep, i actually prefer it thar way, just not in the "i'm gonna kill every two bit thug" more like "I'm gonna kill you because you're Hitler" yknow, that sort.
If they did, new villains would just keep coming. Thus no peace time in heroes lives or the civilians they protect and even spend time with.
>>147147165Batman is that stupid
>>147147259>new villains would just keep comingNo.
>>147147150Yes.
>>147147150Yes, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so. Proto-superheroes like The Shadow did it all the time, but he gave the baddies a chance to change their ways before gunning them down, so it wasn't immediate. If mass-murdering demons like the Joker never change their ways, constantly escape and constantly kill people, why should he live?. And why isn't the state doing it's job regardless of what superheroes do?. Death penalty should be the default for villains like that, nevermind what a decent vigilante would do.
>>147147150Yeah, but sparingly. Edgelord shit like the Punisher makes it hard to have any long-term storylines or recurring villains, especially for more powerful heroes that don't have to worry as much about dying themselves.
>>147147150Thats like asking if dora should just kill swiper. its for kids.
>Make a super hero.>He protects citizens, helps other heroes, but he's new to the biz.>Has his first arch nemesis who, unlike previous crooks like thieves or bank robbers, is out just to kill.>So, the hero does what he thinks should be done, and kills the villain.>This sends a shock to the villain community and the hero one, as a tenuous balance between both has been the norm for decades. Some upstairs kid in spandex just murdered a long standing crazed villain rather than letting him escape or sending him to prison.>The balance is tipped and now a serious controversy has happened.Any stories that deal with killing like that?
>>147147301Kids don't read comic books, only manchildren. And besides, it teaches shitty morals like egalitarianism and liberal socialism. Scum should be killed if they are selfish and unwilling to change, at the expense of the lives of others. Not put through a revolving door.
>>147147150Some villains need a good Franking
>>147147150Yes. It should be super brutal. If they don't use their super powers to melt the guy with lazer vison or throw him into space with super strength whats the point?
>>147147259Then just kill the new villains
>>147147446Then it will be hell on earth and eternal urban or world wide war between heroes and villains. Heroes have to rely on the cops and justice system to rehabilitate and keep criminals and villains to punish them and keep them subdued so they can be convinced to rest from taking revenge immediately after they lose and think about either changing for the better or worst.
>>147147178fpbp
>>147147331WORM kinda.The unwritten rules are about not revealing cape identities and after some point the protag gets outed which caused quite the stir.
>>147147150Stories should have a beginning, middle and end.
>>147147150Yes. Super-Villains require extra legal responses since society cannot rehabilitate or contain them. Gotham City shouldn't even have a budget for all of the civil liabilities they should be sued for because they can't keep The Joker in a cell.
>>147147150>IF NECESSARY Is a very broad term. Because there's a difference between someone dying as a result of the combat or struggle or in the event to save lives and the inevitable whining of "WHY DOESN'T BATMAN KILL THE JOKER AFTER FOILING HIS PLOTS EXECUTION STYLE!"
>>147147150Superman, Spider-Man and especially Batman are the only heroes who are autistic about not killing their enemies, the rest do not have this problem
>>147147150no, they should kill for the lolz
>>147147753Superman, Spider-Man and Batman all have body counts too.
>>147147150Hasn't the Joker already been killed like 3 times in canon?
>>147147817Superman makes sense. He doesn't want to be some God distributing justice as he sees fit. He wants to help people, and with his power set, he can go non-lethal pretty easily.Spider-man makes sense. He's motivated by this idea of "When you can do the things that I can, and you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." He's just a kid who wants to not let people be hurt while he stands aside. He doesn't want to kill anyone.Batman makes no fucking sense. You're telling me if he sees 2 parents and their kid getting mugged at some point in an alley, he's not going to put that mugger in the fucking ground? When the Joker blows up a school of blind orphans and then laughs his ass off in Batman's face that he only did it to fuck with him, and he never just goes "Fuck it, time to drop this guy because if I don't he's just going to try and one up himself"? I mean he's right when he says him killing would just be an escalation, and you don't want to do it if you can help it because if some crook thinks the bat is going to kill him, he may do something extreme, but the way it has practically become a fetish for his rogues shows how fucking crazy the whole thing is.
Yes, if there's really no other option.
>>147148241>Batman makes no fucking sense.He's an overgrown kid who doesn't want playtime to end. Makes perfect sense.
>>147147150They should be held to the same standards as cops and soldiers in real life. Or really, the standards any "good guy with a gun" in a self-defense situation is held to in real life.So no cold-blooded murder, but if you're in a fight and a villain is endangering the lives of others and refuses to stand down, lethal force is legally and morally justified.
>>147148241>"When you can do the things that I can, and you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."way to out yourself as an MCU secondary
>>147147150Yes, but it should always be balanced>Supervillain that can regularly break out and kill againDeath sentence immediately>Villain that while dangerous, never kills innocentsMaximum security with chance for parole>Henchman that just loads up cargo for a villainRegular charges for accessory to crime>Henchman that kills and torturesDeath sentence
>>147147150Yeah, but with how much power superheroes have, they have to set the bar for "necessary" accordingly high
>>147148293Its a better phrasing than the whole "great power" shtick, framing inaction as a choice with consequences.
>>147147293Funny enough, but nearly every single Shadow Radioplay had the villains either dying of fright, because their guilt was too strong, or refusing to change their ways and causing some accident that killed them instead. The Shadow rarely raised his gun to just ventilate their skulls, at least on Radio.
>>147147644Man, it's been a hot mintue since I read WORM. Got kinda... Weird at the end.
>>147147150They should only kill villains with a lot of high brand and earning power and the kills should be permanent
Even Superman would kill if he had to.
>>147147742Why is it Batman that must kill the Joker instead of being executed by a court decision?
>>147148437Shadowfags mostly read the plups which were the same in name only adaptions. It's like if someone adapted Batman but as a plan clothes detective named Jake Batman who carries around a baseball bat, also Bruce Wayne is some gay rich guy he extorts money from in the 30th story.
Who cares. If they don't kill them, they come back. If they do kill them, they spawn a copycat or get reincarnated.The no kill rule feels like some technicality excuse against pearl clutches who didn't want their kids seeing violent books. Like how horror movies make sure to show the victims be dirty sinners. It becomes a staple, but to dwell on it now is to try and turn society backwards.The ONLY function kill rules serve is to establish how mom-friendly the comic is. Stories around the kill rule are dumb, morals guided by a kill rule or lack thereof are dumb, just have the guy fight the bad guy and show some tight ass
Pretty much any villain who isn't magically immune to bullets who works in America should be dead the second or third time the hero let's him go from either cops gunning them down, feds gunning him down, random redneck gunning him him down, fascist paramilitary larpers gunning them down, ghetto gangsters gunning him down, random middle class guy who carries for self defense gunning him down, a rich guys private security gunning him down, ect ect
>>147149168I was going to counter with someone like Black Cat or Catwoman but the fact that they target rich people and high-society shit means they'd get Epstein'd almost instantly
>>147148232but how many times has he been raped?
>>147148505Point is, is that the character Batman ripped off wholesale is a better example of a hero. Someone who isn't afraid to do what is RIGHT, even if that involves killing someone. Batman, meanwhile, plays 4D mental gymnastics on a daily basis to rationalize why himself nor the state Gotham resides in hasn't taken the life of the Joker, 3724 victims ago.
>>147147150Mass murdering or serial killing villains? Yes. Human traffickers? Yes. Drug dealers? Maybe. Bank robbers? No.
>>147149276"In other news, the joker, catwoman, the penguin, the riddler and all the usuals were discovered to have committed suicide by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head and locking themselves in the trunk of burning cars. Please, if you are feeling suicidal call 1800 blah blah blah now here is Tim with the sports. "
>Homelander is my fave superhero
>>147148241Batman actually makes perfect sense you troglodyte. If Batman punches the joker out and stops the nefarious deed the responsibility then falls on the legal system. You use the appropriate level of force, you can't just start massacring people on your own whim. That's NOT justice. God he's a comic book super hero. None of these people are real. You want to complain about something complain about Joker going from a goofy themed hood to a walking genocide factory but the problem isn't Batman having a moral code. Goddamn little kids understand this shit.
The problem with killing villains is always finding excuses to keep legacy characters alive.Everything else is a symptom of that. Should Batman kill the Joker or should he finally be executed for his crimes after a fair trial? Moot point because the editor would never allow them to kill the golden goose that is the Joker, except in elseworlds and such. Same goes with Marvel villains. If we are to talk ideally without the rule of legacy villains never dying? They'd be tried and most assuredly found guilty and executed for the myriads of murders. But then a good chunk of villains would be gone forever. Part of the issue is the believe it or not the slow march of each villain being around so long has caused each progressive villain to have to "raise the stakes" in each new story in an attempt to get more readers with exciting story hooks.For example the Joker starting out with criminal mischief. Then each issue he had to have bolder and bolder crimes in an attempt to get more people interested until the Joker is using chemical warfare, and it becomes almost impossible to believe he isn't executed yet. When it was something small it's easy to believe he'd be back and not executed for a small crime. Now? That suspension of disbelief is stretched so thin it's a joke unto itself.We could argue philosophy of the death penalty all day long but the reality is many of these stories and characters have lasted too long and become so deadly serious in their scope of stakes that it's become unbelievable. In a sense, trying to make comics more "gritty" and "realistic" has made them far less believable.
>>147149437Joker becoming genocidal is a symptom of comics continuing long past their shelf life. It's to fight off the natural stagnation.Kids don't get it, they just mindlessly consume.
>>147149524Considering how much Joker has been wanked, they could have a new Joker take the old one's place if Batman killed him. Just say some eldritch force creates a new Joker when the old one dies or something
>>147149555Having Batman suddenly snap the Joker's neck isn't going to fix anything especially anyone with any sense knows DC can't just off their most popular villain. >>147149561That's stupid. Just let it be a fucking comic. You don't need to explain any of this shit. It's a comic.
>>147148241>"When you can do the things that I can, and you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."That bs excuse was non existent in the ditto era. Spidey was as harsh as fucking punisher dealing with villains who couldn't be simply nabbed up as common crooks. Peter having this "guilt regressive trauma hurting others" has ruined his character, Peter has no problems killing bad guys if they get him to that point.
>>147149580It's fucked, dude. Doesn't matter what they do now.
>>147147150Name one major villain frank killed that actually stayed dead
>>147147570>>147147277Seems Batman actually wins in this argument.
>>147147293B-but!! Killing a killer makes you a killer!! If Batman kills the Joker after setting off a nuclear bomb and killing a million people, he's no better than the Joker!
>>147147150Alien heroes shouldn't kill (we barely tolerate humans killing humans, no gov't would stand for aliens getting in on the act) and deputized vigilantes like Batman shouldn't kill EXCEPT in cases of self-defense (because cops shouldn't kill except in that circumstance.) Illegal vigilante heroes and gov't agent types should kill because they're not very heroic to begin with.
>>147147331superior spider-man
Frank isn't a hero by his own admission
>>147147150
>>147149580That's why comics are so bad.
>>147147150Mainstream super heroes should kill under the following conditions:>There's no viable alternative >The enemy isn't defenseless/hasn't surrenderedSo no breaking the Joker's neck in Arkham, yes blowing his fucking brains out when he's strapped a bomb to an orphan for the millionth time. Though speaking of which, I'm fine with certain characters like Batman actually being weirdly strict about killing people, and Spider-Man straight up not wanting to do it because the idea of killing someone makes him feel sick. The Punisher should be controversial because he's basically an assassin/terrorist, and ruthlessly hunts down and kills his targets regardless of other means of taking them down.
>>147147150The "no kill rule" shouldn't even be on the table. It's an absurd concept that ONLY exists in American superhero comics and NOWHERE else.There are only a few characters that should avoid killing, but even then that should be treated as a character flaw and not a virtue.
But they just keep coming back, so if even if you do kill'em it'll just make things worse. Or its someone else with their identity. or its a clone, or its a robot. or it's a multiversal duplicate, or a time-traveled doppelganger.
>>147148241>he sees 2 parents and their kid getting mugged at some point in an alley, he's not going to put that mugger in the fucking ground? For as shit as King's Batman was, the Superman issues were REALLD good. It actually went into this and had Superman talk about how by all rights Batman shouldn't be a hero, and yet he was.
I remember that episode of Justice League where Superman said the gloves were off and they killed a fuckton of Nazis
>>147152625stop being a retard
>>147147570No, just kill the villains. The justice system is a failure
>>147153792This has nothing to do with the "no kill rule" and everything to do with editorial retardation.
>>147147150If killing humans is necessary then they aren't superheroes.
>>147153966and that was retarded
>>147147288is this AI slop
>>147148232Even this is ripped off from a Shadow story, although in that the prison doctor was crooked and faked the verification of death.
>>147147331I forget the title. It's a series where supers actually work for law enforcement as a super powered SWAT team and one of them starts to secretly kill villains. He's ultimately found out and has to go underground as his former teammates are sent to arrest him. He eventually ends up in a shitty ghetto were the locals defend and protect him on the grounds that he's doing the right thing so he just becomes an open vigilante.
>>147148595>The no kill rule feels like some technicality excuse against pearl clutches who didn't want their kids seeing violent books.Of course it was. Comics Code Authority
>>147154147Batman gave up killing in 1940 (or 41, whenever Robin hit the scene), years before CCA. I don't think Superman ever killed before the 80's. Wonder Woman originally was all about redemption and rehabilitation through loving submission, and iirc was the last of the trinity to really get any blood on her hands during the mid 00s.While the CCA absolutely rawdogged the Crime and Horror genres Superheroes didn't change much, if at all. By design as the CCA was made to take those competitors out of circulation.
>>147147150These monthly threads about capes killing villains are like asking why the heel wrestlers don't get suspended or fired for 'cheating' in matches when everybody except the referee witnesses it. Batman doesn't intentionally kill because Joker and other villains because they are PRODUCTS and his no killing code creates a narrative justification and is logical for the way Batman has nominally been portrayed. It seems like everyone who hates it are either Ennis types who just can't wrap their heads around the fictional conceits of capeshit or blowhards who want to project their own headcanon into Batman. Like this fag who thinks unfettered vigilantism is a good idea: >147149344
>>147149561>some eldritch force creates a new Joker when the old one dies or somethingIsn't that the Batman Who Laughs?
>>147151020Mandarin is still dead, last time I checked.
>>147147293Shadow the hedgehog?
>>147154347Yeah but does modern Marvel REALLY want to bring him back?
>>147147150I don't like when heroes kill. it's exhausting to see them mow down bad guys when they clearly have the strength to incapacitate. but in a Man of Steel situation where there's innocents at stake, yes I do believe it is justified
>>147147150Frank killing people he doesn't have to is why he's not a hero.
>>147154139You're thinking of Absolution. There was a storytime a long time ago if you're interested.
>>147147150>>147147165>>147147277The Punisher and The Shadow have killed countless goons, and still they haven't made a single dent in the level of crime in the world. Sure, they've toppled some crime syndicates, rescued a few damsels, but so has Batman, all without needing to kill a single person. Retards like Rageaholic fail to admit that, despite Batman's logically questionable reasons for not killing, his methods are identical in effectiveness to those that kill, making Batman the morally superior and more impressive superhero.
>>147154548That's where I read it.It was OK, I felt like Gage (just looked it up) made up his mind about he thought was 'right' but didn't want to be honest about it.
>>147154548>look the comic up>find a trade on Amazon>browse previews>first storyline is literally just a rip off of Billy Kincaid from SPAWN
>>147154717I never read Spawn so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>147154639you are beyond retarded
>>147154639>The ShadowOh fuck off.
>>147154717Billy Kincaid was just John Wayne Gacy.>>147155371One of Spawns earliest "enemies" was a kid killer named Billy Kincaide who dressed up as an ice cream man. He was based on the aforementioned real life serial killer who was instead a clown. And I say ENEMY but Spawn basically obliterated the guy instantly. There was some hint he was coming back as a hellsapwn too but I don't think it ever got followed up on. Early Spawn is kind of a lot of nothing to be perfectly frank.
>>147149178is that castle? did he kill cyclops?
>>147147293SHADOW MENTIONED
>>147154639stay mad, batfag, shadowchads know where it's at
>>147154087It's almost 20 years old, you mong.
>>147154639Based.I wish I was an eceleb worshipping schizo, that'd be fucking cool!
>>147154639>The Punisher and The Shadow have killed countless goonsOn a different planet where comic worlds actually develop and progress this would be the certain way to make a change and clean up the city you seething Batroon.
>>147147150sure why not
