So now that Slott is off to DC and it's likely the SB solo is dead (with him just making appearances in ASM and New Champions) was anything worthwhile from his creation?
>>147148650Miles should be there.Also>Twitter thread
>>147148650Miles qualifies as an industry plant far more than Bailey. Nigger got his own game before characters like Wonder Woman or the flash
>>147148675>>147148676Obsessed. Shameik won.
>>147148676That's less to do with being an industry plant and more to do with WB/DC being incompetent with getting characters their own games
>>147148688>Shameik won.Yeah, won a restraining order.
>>147148675Chill out Slott. You gotta start shilling your Superman run
>>147148706No it’s just a showcase on what an industry plant is anon, miles was around for less than a decade and got a massive push across mediums despite consistent mediocre sales. He actively harms the largest brand in comics and the system doesn’t care because he’s a safe nothing character checking boxes for zesty niggas to brag about on social media
>>147148650Trinity would have worked like eight years ago when Super Sons was an actual thing (not to mention DC was obsessed with Trinity pairings, even making Jason, Artemis, and Bizzaro a thing)But king trying to push the offspring Trinity when the Super Sons brand is dead and Damian and Jon don’t even hang out is just retarded.
>>147148675Fpbp
>>147148650Spider-Boy still getting new issues released in his solo run.
Dead how? Spider-boy is still ongoing.
>>147148675>>Twitter threadit's only ok when it's news. when it's a hot take it's garbage.
>>147148688He only has one upcoming movie that was recorded in 2022 and has been in post-production hell. Looking at his IMDB, he got too comfortable with his Spiderverse success and stopped going for other roles.
>>147148650Spider-Boy is extremely inoffensive since the target audience is more towards kids. I would rather read it than the torture that is ASM.
>>147148650>twitter user has an opinionsomeone alert the media!
>>147148688>Shameik wonGo record your lines, Shameik.
>>147148650Miles gets a verbal fellatio whenever he and Peter are in the same room while WW's kid hasn't even interacted with anyone but Damian and Superboy and only appears in backups.
>>147148774He probably genuinely thought that he’d just be cast as the live action miles whenever that charade happens
>>147148754>BizzaroIt's Bizarro dummy, two r's, one z.
>>147148858>WW's kid hasn't even interacted with anyone but Damian and Superboy and only appears in backups.Yeah, but she's getting a fucking solo, haven't you heard?
>>147148675This
Fuck it, may as well use this thread for something useful. Where do I start with Spider-Boy? I know he has an ongoing but can I just jump in?
>>147148650Is this the Twitter thread?
>>147148675fpbp
>>147148930If being an industry plant is about someone who gets famous because of who they know instead of ability, shouldn't have of these not be one? The order of operations is backwards so they mimic something popular instead of being actually connected.
>>147148967>industry plant is about someone who gets famous because of who they know instead of abilityNo? That's just good old nepotism.An industry plant is when the company pushing them in a way to artificially create hype and success around them.
Bailey has better rogues than Miles.
>>147148650Not really no. His gimmick got tiresome fairly quickly. I don't expect the majority of the 3rd gen heroes to have much staying power though. Bailey will at least have exposure due to ASM. Probably not much beyond it. Just like superior it feels like a waste of time which could have been better spent elevating another Spider with more potential.
>>147149003>>147148967>An 'industry plant' is largely accepted to mean an artist who presents themselves as being independent and doing things on their own terms, but secretly has the industry backing and money to fund them and to artificially shape such a narrative.The term doesn't work for any of these things, retard. The correct term (using internet speak) would be 'forced characters'. Characters created purely to try and get attention and sales and then kept in the limelight despite lack of popularity (that has been gained naturally). Industry Plant would only work here if it was some independent hero published by an independent or by themselves when in reality Marvel or DC is backing them with money and exposure.If Punchline was just knock-off Harley made by TotallyNotADCBrand publisher and then suddenly 5 years after her creation she is warped into DC proper, that'd be an Industry Plant.
Post the pasta.
>>147148675FPBP, Miles is the Drake of the comic book world
>>147148923Spider-Boy #1
>>147149209He has a massive dick?
Good riddance to Fat Slott, thanks for giving us Bailey but Yost writes him better.
>>147148858that's her kid? last I saw she was still like a fuckin baby>>147148782 agreed
>>147149348He's an industry plant manufactured by the Jews, a colonizer's apparatus for extracting money from the African American community under the guise of being one of them, entirely empty calories and out of touch with the real culture
>>147148650Nobody can ever give a straightforward answer as to why Bailey is a “industry plant”
Miles Morales has been the Cool New Thing™ for over a decade now, closing in on 15 years. He's had a MASSIVE push from Marvel, leading in his own movie less than 7 years after his creation. And yet:>His comics don't sell more than Peter's>His movies don't sell more tickets than Peter's>His games don't sell more copies than Peter's>He doesn't move more toys and merch than PeterHe's not just as much Spider-Man as Peter. He never will be. He's had fourteen years to fill that role and he just hasn't. He's nowhere near as popular except with black comic nerds (and maybe white cuck weirdos). He's never going to be the successor, not when Peter still brings in so much more money. They can give him Peter's villains, Peter's love interests, have Peter himself hyping him up. They can give him every other superpower in the book. None of it helps the character. His movies are glazed as masterpieces, yet they grossed less at the box office than The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - and that's not even taking inflation into account. ASM has had its worst run in years, absolute dogshit hated by everyone, and it STILL outsells Miles' book.Black Spider-Man is just another derivative. He's never been anything more than that.
>>147149578Because he's white.
>>147149209Miles is white though
>>147149063Like who? Please don't say Miles or Gwen because I could die from laughter.
>>147148675Trvke
>>147149348That might explain a few things.
>>147149063Miles has been elevated for a decade. He’s been given almost every power under the sun.
>>147149800For the last time Shameik, stop violating your restraining order.
Naomi. They gave her a TV show after barely being in comics.
>>147149867who?
>>147148650>Spider-boy>Plant
>>147148650What’s so bad about Bailey that people constantly shit on him?
Industry plants refer to creators who are artificially popular due to corporate push.A fictional character being pushed in spite of low popularity is a Poochie.
>>147150036Milestards are threatened by his mere existence.
>>147149003So Miles?
>>147149348He’s a pedophile.
>>147149867DC and WB REALLY expected Naomi to be their Miles and that Bendis would be their Jack Kirby.
>>147150036He's everything Marvel wanted Miles to be except black
>>147148675Why do people think so? Miles isn't that different from John Stewart, the rotating door of Robins, or Scott Lang. If Terry McGinnis was used more and more until he gradually became popular, would people say he's an industry plant, too?
>>147150036Milefags unable to accept that some ginger spider kid can be popular and have an ongoing series that sells well + twitter tourists that haven't touched a comic ever.
>>147150086For the last time, Peni is OLDER than Miles. She's just short.
>>147149478Slott and Bendis work as "idea men", they just shouldn't be allowed to write those ideas themselves.
>>147150176Considering Bendis created Miles, he shouldn't be an "idea man" either.
>>147150136Green Lanterns are explicitly Space Police, Spider-Man isn’t. Don’t be disingenuous.
>>147150168She’s 14, you sick fuck.
god I hate spider-verse fags
>>147150165I haven’t seen anyone who likes him outside of here.
>>147150136>If Terry McGinnis was used more and more until he gradually became popular, would people say he's an industry plant, too?for that to work you have to pretend Terry wasn't popular from the get goingAlso none of the characters you mentioned have been pushed as hard as Miles has been during the last decade and this is taking into account giving Robin is own team
>>147150176Well Slott turning Jen into Ally McBeal ruined the character.
Slott is gonna have Superman kill pregnant with his heat vision isn't he?
>>147150165I like Bailey more than miles, but I doubt he’s consistently outselling miles
>>147150234Out of 10!
How is SB still getting so many issues?Who is buying it?
>>147150275>Ally McBeal>A show about a woman that gets the ick all the time 20 years before "the ick" is a thing on social media
>>147150369pedophiles
>>147150381The good girl kind or the bad boy kind?
>>147150375There's a reason why that show got memory-holed.
>>147150405The John Wayne Gacy kind. Fujo girls aren't into western boys, 99% of the time.
>>147150036Nothing. He's ok, his origin (the Sentry-esque meta one) is absolute shit though. His powers are pretty neat too for a Spider-Adjacent, but his book is very rapidly losing steam because it's clear Slott didn't expect it to go on this long. All of Bailey's personal problems are now solved and he's apparently more popular than even Spider-Man himself.Yost's issue was fun at least
>>147149800>LOOK AT MILES STANDING AWKWARDLY NEXT TO TWO WOMEN! HE'S SUCH A CHAD!Pa-the-dick!
>>147150485Why do Indians pretend to be black even though they despise them? Is it a cultural thing?
>>147150257>I haven’t seen anyone who likes him outside of here.This is sort of the problem with online voices as a view of popularity. Certain fandoms might make the most noise but when it comes to the bottom line the fandom you want are the quiet majority who just want to buy a book. Not all fans go online to talk about how HYPED they are.
>>147149593basedlove to see it
>>147150136>why does the Green Lantern Corps have multiple Green Lanterns?
>>147150499All that poop has rotted their brains.
>>147150499Even Indians know the idea of an Indian stud would be laughed out of the room. So they live vicariously through the manufactured image of black men.
>>147148650*stabs eyes out and pieces eardrums*uh yeah uh these are industry plants everything else like gay baby superman and miles morales and silk aren't industry plants they're were all organic creations!!!
>>147150136Just shut the fuck up.
>>147149800>>147149857Nah, he's saying Miles has fucked all your women habitually.
>>147150136>the rotating door of RobinsDC had the balls to kill off Jason Todd when he didn't work, and replace him with a new character designed from the ground up to work with 90s kids. If Marvel had the same balls then Miles would have been killed off and replaced with a new character designed from the ground up to actually appeal to people instead of being shallow one-dimensional pandering.
>>147148650>So now that Slott is off to DCIs this true? Are we free?
This is for all the Bailey fans ITT.
>>147150823>makes a ginger character>names him spider-boy so there's no chance of netflixicationBrilliant move
>>147150036I have enjoyed Bailey, cute spider with little bit of a mystery.
>>147149348For Nadia!
>>147150499Do Indians even like Peter? Miles seems like he’d be more up their alley, at least before spider jeet showed up
>>147150823kek
>>147150176Bendis isn't even that. His ideas are just to kick down characters/teams and replace them with his versions that he can collect back end money on.
>>147148650His only glimmer of hope is if Marvel finds someone to pick up the title once Slott leaves, or if there's even enough interest in the character to find a person to write it. Even with the appearances in ASM and the team book, that's not going to boost his presence at all. Look at what happened to Ms. Marvel when she lost her solo, and Ms. Marvel has actual, VOCAL, fans.
>>147148675Seems like less of a plant and more of a co-opted character that easily fits the agenda they're pushing. He's a fine character on his own, but shoehorning him as the coolest Spider-Man who's hip with the kids and always right is fucking retarded. What-if scenarios are cool, so long as they stay in their lane and have little to no impact on the main universe's persistent setting.
>>147148650whats an industry plant again?
>>147150046So Kelly Thompson is a plant?
>>147150606> he's saying..samefag
>>147148650milesfags still seething i see
>>147150136>Miles isn't that different from John Stewartnope
Slightly off-topic (I just want to take this opportunity to complain), but I'm annoyed how the early Bailey threads were mainly shotacons and nowadays it's just /ss/hitters and lolifags. Bailey was supposed to be /ourshota/, not some vehicle for self-insertfags to use like he's a blank slate.
>>147148754>that backup story where Trinity, Jon, and Damien are confined to a single spaceship for a months on end space tripI'm not the only one who assumed Jon and Damien took turns railing the shit out of Trinity the whole time in spite of DC/King pushing a whole siblings thing between the three, right? It felt like every spat between them ended in hate-fucking off panel.
>>147148650>Slott is off to DCSucks to be DC lmao
>>147148675Fippy bippy.
>>147150136Green laterns had been established to be space cops since the silver age. It's different.
>>147148650Bailey is the most blatant pedobait i have ever seen. It's like every artist feels obligated to draw him with a bulge.Every single adult Soider Boy fan is a pedo and should be put on a watch
>>147148930Miles fans who hate Bailey never explain why one's ok but not the other. I would rather they both go away.
>>147148675fippyWIPPY?That's right. Miles isn't an industry plant but instead an integral part of Spider-Man media with millions of fans worldwide. >FACT: The Spider-verse movies are some of the most loved pieces of Spider-Man cinema>FACT: His solo spin-off of the Playstation Spider-Man games is critically acclaimed>FACT: His powers are cooler than Peter's>FACT: He IS Spider-Man
>>14715082310/10
>>147152651Jarvis, post the miles copypasta
>>147152651Slott please go fuck off somewhereMiles is an industry plant and there isnt a thing you can do about it besides screech. No matter how much money he "makes" for his investors he will never be truly embraced as anything more than a sidekick. He is a copycat, non original - and to use him as an example to hammer home what downfall the Spider Man brand has come and to compare to something like Green Lantern or Flash or even Batman shows just how far away we've got from the core premise of what made Spider Man popular. Spider Man is not Baskin Robbins, you all misrepresented what Stan Lee said to work a narrative that was never there so you could push this phony for over a decade>FACT: The Spider-verse movies are some of the most loved pieces of Spider-Man cinemaLargely due to the downright rape of the overall spiderman mythos to compensate, the entire Spider Man universe is in the films there is no way it doesnt move units regardless of main character, complete prop up. >FACT: His solo spin-off of the Playstation Spider-Man games is critically acclaimedoh wait hes serious let me laugh harder HAHAHAHAHAH>FACT: His powers are cooler than Peter'sWith the amount of powers he has he better be, what new anime bullshit are they going to pull next after the electric sword lmao>FACT: He IS Spider-ManNo he is Miles, a Spider Man keikaku gone on way too long. Please just stop. Sales dont mean a damn thing when the worst Spider Man run in history moves numbers. Comics is a dead consolidated medium gatekept by spinless corpo holier than thou faggots wanting to be Stan Lee or Grant Morrison. Fuck you and your dead mother. You are everything wrong with comics you capitulating paypig.
>>147152906Bad opinions. Ignored.
Okay but i want to have sex with Trinity
>>147152906Good opinions, approved.
>>147149593Has it really been 15 years since Miles appeared?
>>147149593Yeah. It's Spider-Man. Spider-Man in red and blue IS Marvel. He's their number one guy and has been for decades. Apparently for Marvel Vs Capcom, Marvel's first demand was to include Spider-Man, the Hulk, Captain America and Wolverine as their core four as they were the faces of Marvel. No replacement Spidey is over taking Peter Parker in pop culture just as no Hulk but Bruce Banner sticks, no Wolverine but Logan gets over and no Cap but Steve Rogers is acceptable. The only successful legacy characters are the ones of characters who weren't that popular. People were okay with the Flash not being Barry Allen or Green Lantern not being Hal Jordan (everybody but writers) or Robin not being Dick Grayson but people don't want Batman to not be Bruce Wayne on a permanent basis. Batman is Bruce Wayne, that's all there is to that.
>>147148650spider-boy would have worked a lot better if they didn’t go with his retarded origin where he was there but everyone just ‘forgot him’.poochie ass
>>147152598Fuckin hell
>>147152651here >>147149593
>>147152651>>FACT: The Spider-verse movies are some of the most loved pieces of Spider-Man cinemaWrong. If that were the case, they would’ve made more than TASM2, and none of them have.>FACT: His solo spin-off of the Playstation Spider-Man games is critically acclaimedWrong again. Generally the reviews for it were lower than the first game and 2, and it sold less despite being cheaper and bundled with a remastered port of the first game.>FACT: His powers are cooler than Peter'sThey’re not cool. They’re dumb, and get thrown at him to make up for the fact that he has no personality.>FACT: He IS Spider-ManHe’s Miles Morales.
>>147152198>He's a fine character on his ownNo, he's not. Never was.
>>147152906He’s got Electricity, Invisibility, Electric Swords, Super Saiyan mode, his own Spider Armor, a Vibranium suit, X-Ray Vision, Vampirism, and now he’s the Herald of Anansi because he’s black. Is he cool yet?
>>147150823lmao
>>147153517Across the Spider-Verse didn't even make more than the first Venom
>>1471530472011Getting close
>>147153569This is why Miles' powerset is shit. Compared to 2099, where the differences in his powers are built right in, Miles just has the exact same powers Peter does, but with everything you've listed as addendums. (All having nothing to do with an actual spider can do) It's so fucking lazy.
>>147148743This is true. Everything else aside, an industry plant is pushed because the executives want them to be popular not because of fan demand.
>>147148861Makes sense. Woke shit was reaching a crescedo and Marvel was doing it's best to foil Peter right out the gate.
>>147153163>People were okay with the Flash not being Barry Allen or Green Lantern not being Hal JordanYou mean Jay Garrick and Alan Scott, the actual original Flash and Green Lantern. Barry and Hal are some of the most successful legacy characters of all time.
>>147153608TASM2 is a better insult, since it’s the worst live action Spider-Man movie of all time, and it still preformed better than any Spider-Verse movie.
>>147152651No shit he's gonna have fans with how hard they push him in everything. Miles could have been anyone, Jessica, Kane, Reily, Anya, ect. They could have replaced Miles with an original character and that stuff would more or less still have happened
>>147153569He can also shoot electric webs from his fingertips.
>>147152651Why does Miles HAVE to be Spider-Man when Peter already exists? Why is it so important that Miles IS Spider-Man? I don't understand you people.
>>147148650I only really care for his Archie Sonic stories, which funnily enough, created a butterfly effect that led to the whole Spiderverse thing that we know today
>>147153728If Miles didn't have the Spider-Man name, he'd be nothing. He doesn't have anything else going for him. All the other derivates are rightly called such. But when it comes to Miles, he NEEDS the legitimacy of the mantle.
>>147148650Spider-Boy was a suprisingly charming little story that didn't rely to heavily on Pete's shit.I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop as I've not liked slott as a writer, but it didn't as far as I read (I didn't read the spider-verse stuff for Bailey).So... it was surprisingly competent and I'd actually recommend it to people.
>>147153653It helps that both were originally just reinventions of their concepts without any important connections to their predecessors. People accepted "the Spider-Man of 2099" and "the Spider-Man of Japan" and the like; I wonder if Miles would've been better received if he was "Ultimate Spider-Man" from the very beginning with Peter simply not existing in that continuity.
>>147153774He’s a parasite that literally can’t exist without Peter. His only purpose is to steal everything from him and replace him.
>>147153774>the Spider-Man of 2099Ooh, cool setting. cool costume, different enough from Peter, nice>Spider-Man of JapanHaha, Emissary of Hell, proto-tokusatsu, so cool.>Milescrickets chirping in the background
>>147153841Takuya is also THE reason why Sentai added giant robots to their shows, and Stan’s efforts to get the show localized to America eventually led to the creation of Power Rangers.
>>147148676blame DC for that. Not Marvel, for piggy backing off the spider verse movies, which MADE Miles a house hold name. Also Spider0boy is a much bigger industry plant than miles. I wouldn't consider miles a one because it took a movie to make him popular
>>147148675And Carol.Of course I mean Carol after the rebrand, she was an actual character before.
>>147153880>This new character is the plant because the other character got a movie despite doing nothing to merit one...okay.
>>147153728Because BendisMarvel has an odd fetish of blindly obeying fat, balding white men
>>147148650Personality, i view Bailey to be pretty harmless. Miles for better or worse isn't going anywhere anytime soon. His fans have nothing to worry about.
>>147153880Miles isn’t even popular in Spider-Verse. More people like them for all the other characters, not Miles. If you gave him a solo movie, it’d flop hard.
>>147153909What would a solo film about Miles even be about?
>>147153880Bailey isn’t getting pushed nearly as hard as Miles has been for years now, so you’re wrong about that. All he has is his on line of comics and a few guest appearances. That’s not enough to be an industry plant.
>>147153925Him fighting one of his original villains
>>147153925Fighting with electric swords?His uncle is a ruthless criminal but it's other people's fault?Miles calls Frost Pharaoh racist but then Frost Pharaoh tells Miles that the Ptolemic dynasty was the last and longest-reigning dynasty and Greek, just like he is?
>>147153569Sounds like a Death Battle parody. Does any of that set do anything in stories?
>>147153925Miles gets a movie exclusive power up and with the help of his movie exclusive love interest they have to stop the Red Goblin
>>147153945It blows my mind how Aaron was literally about to murder a child in Spider-Verse, and the only reason he didn’t is because that child was also his nephew. For fuck’s sake, he literally helped kill Spider-Man, and he still gets a Rest In Power mural at the end. The whole movie just grinds my gears.
>>147153969Yes.
>>147153925There's no sense in making a solo Miles movie since his premise is about being a parasite on the IP, if you have a good solo Spider-Man movie premise there's no reason not to give it to Peter
>>147153997>if you have a good solo Spider-Man movie premise there's no reason not to give it to PeterSomeone should have told Lord and Miller 10 years ago.
>>147153983You have to understand, socioeconomic factors mean that Aaron had no agency and thus could not be guilty. All the guilt transferred to the socioeconomic factors.
>>147153621Um akshually there's one type of spider who can use static electricity on a web strand to fly kinda so all of Miles's electricity bullshit is completely justified
>>147153983>Favourite scene in the movie is Peter B seeing Aunt May again for the first time since she died in his world>Scene going great>Has to end with a fat joke at Peter B's expense>Cuts to Gwen going "yup he's fat" because otherwise she'd have nothing to do in the sceneThey were so close to greatness and they spat it away
>>147153983is some weird niggas 4D chess >Miles father knows that his brother is a piece of shit but also that Miles admired him while not being aware of his criminal side>Miles admires his uncle until he leans about his criminal side and is confused about what he thinks now >Aaron dies>Miles father only knows Miles is aware of his uncle death so he tells Miles that they should do a graffiti together for him not being aware of Miles knowing that his uncle was a cold blood killer I hate Miles but is not that hard to understand
>>147153929>Bailey isn’t getting pushed nearly as hard as Milesidk seems like it to me. Now granted i get what people are saying for Miles with these power ups, again feels less industry plant to me, and more like over selling, if that makes sense
Now they can make Franklin Richards a mutant again after the stupid stupid Slott retcon.
>>147154062This
>>147154075Does Bailey have have multiple movies, games, and comics sucking him off and talking about how cool and special he is?
>>147154062Sure you can try and justify the characters' motivations like that, but that's not how the movie paints it. They paint it as a memorial to a great man when it was anything but
>>147154080Slott was right to keep Franklin away from Krakoa bullshit. You people act like being a mutant is integral to his character when it's a piece of trivia at best
>>147153925Nothing. He doesn't really "work" without Peter. He doesn't even work with Peter either...
>>147153709>He can also shoot electric webs from his fingertips.For fucks sake
>>147154080... why?
>>147154092>multiple movies, games, and comics sucking him off and talking about how cool and special he is?I don't think the games and movies are sucking miles off to show how special he is, at least that's not what I got from the story.
>>147152264It's basically Nepotism. An insult in the Music Industry to an artist who gains fame through connections, money, or family rather than talent/genuine interest. You could argue Spider-boy with the fact of him dropping in out of nowhere, immediately getting announced his own solo with over 30 something variant covers plus an announcement of a marvel legends figure within like 3 months of that singular issue.For comparison, Gwen also debut as a side story in the Spiderverse before gaining her own solo. That was like over half a year later, and it was after a trial run of her on a team book Web Warriors which had Mayday as it's protagonist. She stole the show so hard she was given a book. Spider-boy was essentially akin to a crypto currency rug pull. Speculative hype but with no real basis in reality. The argument you'd see from like Dan Slott or something is "That 1st issue REALLY resonated with people, We just capitalized on their demand!" when anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could understand the turn around is way too quick without prep work. It's likely Spider-boy was Dan Slott 'big ask' and he had enough clout / previous success behind him to go along with it. Right now though I don't see any writers jumping up to take his place or to carry the 'torch' of Spider-boy in any capacity once he leaves. Not in a solo capacity.
>>147153163>people don't want Batman to not be Bruce Wayne on a permanent basis.It's pretty unanimous that Terry is the next Batman after Bruce, I mean that in a permanent sense, not just filling in for him like Dick has.The popularity of the mantle has nothing to do with it, Mayday and Miguel are much better successors to Peter than Miles ever has been.
>>147154721Terry, Miguel, and Mayday are all alternate future scenarios off doing their own thing. That's why they work
>>147148650>Slott is off to DCOh Christ, not again...
>>147150680except for the fact that miles is far more popular than jason todd was. the only ones that dislike him are the ones who would have went to the charlottesville rally. the hate is even starting to fight against reality
>>147154726Terry explicitly comes from the same world as the one BTAS takes place in, Beyond just takes place at the very end of the DCAU, it's not an alternate future to that world, it's just the future of that world.
>>147148675>B-B-BUT MILES!!!!!KEK still buckbroken by MilesGODS.in another 10 years chuddies still will be seething while your average lil timmy view Miles as THE Spider-manShameik won, Najid won, Miles won.
>>147154917>Shameik wonbait used to be believable
>>147154907And the DCAU is an alternate Batman story altogether. If Terry suddenly showed up in the mainline comics and started taking over people would very quickly start to hate him
>invisibility>wallcrawling>enhanced spider sense>electricity>lightsaber>sword mastery>immortalityJust make him One-Punch Man already.
>>147153569>X-Ray VisionWhich would make more sense for RADIOACTIVE spider powers but Miles got his ability from the serum/genetic ultimate Oscorp one
>>147154294>I don't think the games and movies are sucking miles off to show how special he is, at least that's not what I got from the story.Then you are intentionally being stupid.
>>147155019It's less X-Ray vision and more Miles being able to use his Spider-Sense better than Peter ever has to the point where it became a quasi Daredevil Radar Sense. And all of this because he went to therapy. He didn't train this power, he went to therapy and it manifestedAt least when Peter almost did it while he was blind he was actually being trained by Daredevil
>>147154489>For comparison, Gwen also debut as a side story in the Spiderverse before gaining her own solo.Gwen was literally introduced with the line>Your new favorite. They didn't even give anyone a chance to respond in any direction.
>>147154994The DCAU was the main canon for DC cartoons back then, the average viewer doesn't think of BTAS Batman as an alternate Batman, they think of him as just Batman.The problem is when they try to replace the hero in their prime, eventually Bruce will either die or retire, Terry only steps into the game long after Bruce calls it quits, similarly Miguel and Mayday don't cramp Peter's style because by the time they're in full swing, Peter has already spun his last web.
>>147155237That doesn't matter. The point is that Batman Beyond was its own thing that never encroached on any of Bruce's things. It was a story set in the future, disconnecting it from the main Batman story. The same is true of both Spider-Man 2099 and Spider-Girl
>>147149003So Mufasa?
>>147155274>its own thing that never encroached on any of Bruce's thingsBruce's entire thing is being Batman until he can't, when he can't be Batman anymore, Terry becomes Batman, not an alternate Batman, the Batman of the future, he was designed to be Bruce's successor, so he is, that's Terry on a fundamental level, Batman.>disconnecting itBeyond is not separate from Bruce's story, it's the end of Bruce's story, but it's not the end of Batman.
>>147154257He's been an mutant since day 1 of his creation with Stan Lee.
>>147152598These are miles fans in their natural habitat
>>147152598kek
>>147155002All of this and he's still less interesting in a fight scene than Peter.
This shit is embarrassing.
>>147156729
>>147156729>Channels power into his fists>His torso and head's red bits light up with power>His red fingers don'tThat's...odd. If anything I wouldn't expected the opposite.
>>147153983And he did all of that for money.
>>147156752>I would've* expected the opposite.
>>147148650Characters being "industry plants" is retarded since so many beloved characters would fit that term considering it hust means "New character being pushed". Bane would objectively be the biggest "industry plant" since frim his inception he was pushed as a rival to Batman that beats him and many oldheads fucking hated him at the time.
>>147153983Crazy to me how that bozo is seen in a positive light, but George Stacy is seen as a monster.
>>147156729>>147156734I clapped.
>>147156734Rabble needs a proper fucking to control her sanity.
>>147156944I like Miles comics because he actually wins in his comics. Unlike Peter, who loses and gets cucked in his comics.
>>147150136Listen faggot, I'm not reading your gay pedophile caped escapades or your autism is my superpower space cops. Might as well bring up Gabby Rivera's America to support your point.
>>147157432Didn't ask, faggot.
>>147157466But it’s true
>>147157485What's true is that I fucked your mother's tight sweaty cunt while your father watched in the corner. Say hello to your new baby brother in 9 months.
Anyone have the last page from what if Miles was Thor and it tries to use rap lingo
>>147157432We know. Little fairy
>>147157620Milesisters...Shameikbros...not like this...
>>147148650idk who that is on the left, but she looks hot
>>147157620Filthy name stealing whore
>>147157620Who is that even? Moon Knight with the Venom symbiote?
>>147148676>DC is fucking retarded and incapable of managing their flagship heroes>"hurr it's Miles' fault"
>>147152598This is an actual comedy masterpiece
>>147157620>>147158104
>>147158265Black Tarantula
>>147157653People forget Miles is currently dating Starling in comics.Gwen is free to date.
>>147157620>>147158346>stealing characters and plots from Spider-GirlPathetic.
>>147158361Mayday was aborted in 616 due to OMD.Gwen is free to hook up with him.
>>147158399That's not the point.
>>147158269Why would DC want that when >pic alone makes every milesfag insane?
>>147157506But you’re not Paul.
>>147158431https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FJgIZVW4g
>>147158399Wasn’t Black Tarantula hooking up with Araná in the Spider-Girl comic?Araná, currently in the present, is hooking up with Spider-Punk
>>147158447Capeshit really is just soap opera for boys
>>147158453Dude we were saying that even in the 70s
>>147158418Terry is always going to be a “future character” away from the present. His counterparts are Mayday and Miguel, not Miles.
>>147154721Miguel hasn't worked since the 90s, Interest in Mayday only extends to her being an epilogue to ASM/Peter and not her character, Old Bruce completely eclipsed Terry by BB's 2nd season.
>>147152598Bailey is also anti black according to freaks like thishttps://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138250665/#138261437
>>147158418While spider man and miles got gay ass 2000's college rock music.Terry's theme is still the same and iconic technometal of a dark and dirt cyberpunk future of the 90's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1s3T-rnFUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCJbHpciw0>>147158494Miles is treated as Peter's successor and still he will never be because Mayday, Miguel and even Anna May and Bailey exists.And Milesfags are always livid that People remembers Terry more fondly than miles, and that people hated that his movie got cancelled because DC fell for the spidervese meme and cancelled it.>>147158570Because Old Bruce is still Terry's mentor but also Terry acts as his son without the retarded JLU episode, a true master and aprentice that worked perfectly.And No, Old Bruce didnt eclipse Terry mielsfag.As Mayday or Miguel either
>>147158604Miguel’s dad is isn’t even sperm yet in the present.Mayday, Anna May And Anya are semen demons that can service Miles, so yes, keep them around.
>>147158618Why don't you neck yourself or die in the califonian dires shammeik, even as a voice actor you suck more than Jennifer Hale
>>147158618So true, rabbi.
>>147158618Hold the phone, you be telling me niggerman is a pedophilic incest uncle?
>>147158705Just as every hood black guy irl
>>147158705>>147158711Why does any thread with Miles dovetail into racism?
>>147158618You are an embarrassment. Have Sex!
>>147158618Kill yourself you disgusting pile of trash.
>>147158719>Why does any thread with miles involve cuck fetishismAnswer me question first, is that what you be telling me?.
>>147150136Scott Lang worked because his predecessor had a history of changing names constantly, with an entire wardrobe of different identities he could use at any moment and was consistent in rarely going back to being Ant-Man
>>147153541Responding like a whiny child, who could've imagined. I doubt you can even tell me why without rattling off some DEI bullshit.
>>147150036They think he’s trying to replace Miles.
>>147159017You're dick riding a character created because a bald jew goons to blacked porn too much.
>>147159036You're tryna reason with bunch'a pedophilic incest uncles. Let it be
>>147148650Don't care for Spider-slop, but so far Trinity has been inoffensive. Hard to call her an industry plant when she seemingly solely exists in back up stories for King's WW book and even then, the worst thing you can probably say about her is she's just another addition to Wonder Woman's already large pool of Wonder Girls.Would've probably done better if they introduced the concept back when Super Sons was actually still a book getting pushed.
>>147159017>instantly sounds like a whiny childLmao, loving the projection.Sorry your beloved shitty Bendis OC was always an incredibly boring charisma black hole with zero good stories, villains or personality and could only sustain "popularity" by leeching off everybody else.
I like both Bailey and Miles.However I actually despise Rek-Rap. What does that say about me?
It says you're an attention whore. And you're not even worthy of a (you)
>>147159398Disagree, it means they have taste.
>>147159437Shit taste
Spider-Boy is just Slott taking away all the things that fans hated about his OC character Alpha, and inserting most what made Miles Morales cool but in to Bailey.Miles walked so Bailey could run. Meanwhile Alpha was D.O.A.
>>147159500>inserting most what made Miles Morales coolSo, he added nothing?
>>147150823>>147158299lmao, nice.
>>147159517Swagger sneakers.
>>147150958Amazing how Nadia is suppose to be asexual but she wanted to sniff Miles’s body all day.
>>147153674It's a shame we don't get ticket sales because I'm sure that would be even worse. Inflation has been huge over the last decade and premium formats (like Imax and 3D) have become a bigger chunk of the boxoffice.
>>147155760I've noticed that a lot of MTF trannies online are obsessed with black men. It makes me wonder if they blame their failure as men on their ethnicity and see blacks as inherently more masculine. I don't know how zesty blacks and black trannies fit into that mental illness, but it's not like it was ever based on reality to begin with.
>>147160081It feels like you think about trans people way too much.
>>147160081That loops back to the fact they're all dumb smelly bimbofag porn addicts.
>>147160081Not only do I think you’re paranoid but I think your obsessed with those people
>>147160081You got them samefaggin on a dead ass thread.Well done.
>>147160142It's not even subtle, the discordtroon is crashing out.
>>147159136>>147159036>he must love him so he's dickriding him! No, I don't give a shit about Miles Morales, he's nowhere near approaching my favorite Spider-Man, let alone anyone I'd argue for. He's a neat character concept for a side story, he's just overused. I'm arguing *against* retards like you two, who insist any nonwhite main character is inherently a corporate plant trying to push an agenda past making money. It's pathetic, to put it lightly.
>>147160391Miles got a movie greenlit 4 years after he was created. He's been astroturfed to shit.Your disingenuous bullshit isn't tolerated anymore.
>>147160391Shut the fuck up, retard, and shove your retarded politishit persecution complex up your ass.Miles Morales is a garbage character. Barely a character at all in fact. End of story. There's nothing "neat" about him.
>>147160391P.S.>muh raycismsIt always comes down to this with Milesfags.Funny because I haven't mentioned his race even once. Unless you're so literally braindead, you think "charisma black hole" refers to the color of his skin in which case I'm afraid your brain damage is terminal.
>>147150136The Robin mantle, like other kid sidekicks, is a training role before said person gets a role of their own; Terry was approached by a retired Batman who was desperate for a successor in an entirely new setting and new enemies.Meanwhile, Miles appeared out of fucking nowhere and took the Spider-Man mantle when having no connection to it: just like iron heart, and went around the city, fighting Peter's roster while OG Spider-Man was still alive and working.And, while Bailey too appeared out of nowhere, he is his own thing and has enemies of his own; even if they are kid versions of others.Of course, I'm not going to ignore his /ss/ harem appeal.You can add Conner Kent to the list.
>>147162054>static tucked in the backgroundlmao
>>147162054Why does Miles get new blue electricity powers in the game, and why do they all suck?
>>147148650Not really. Maybe if he appeared say, 10 years ago when the Spider franchise wasn't so saturated. Biggest obstacle was always be billed as "The Miles Morales Killer" by his 'fans' when in reality there hasn't been a single product, character, or concept which was hyped as "The 'x' Killer" that has succeeded claiming that. Schizos on /co/ meme about the movie 'saving' Miles but, Morales broke the news at his debut. Mainstream, on TV back in 2011. When was the last time a purely comic character or comic story line has ever done that? With how rage bait the News Cycle is right now would any comic character be able to do it again? Bailey was really just speculative hype. At least with Punchline you got gooners gooning over her figure.
>>147162091Then Tim Drake has failed by your definition
>>147159500wasn't Alpha explicitly meant to fail as a sidekick?
>>147152651After that What If comic run he got, the only thing I can say to this is: cap.
>>147163291>By Odin's fadeThe writer had fun with this.
>>147163291Bet he'd make a better Thor than odinson, too
>>147163291Unintentional, or intentional?
>>147163175>the worst robin is a failure.that's correct.
>>147163414>shoes on the power linesDid they know?
>>147149593I know this is pasta but come on, if you use Peter as a comparison, you'll end up thinking literally every other comic book character is a failure. Not even Batman sells as much as Spider-man, he's literally the most popular superhero on earth
If this is what constitutes as an industry plant then nothing beats Harley Quinn. The bitch is front and centre in almost everything DC does.
>>147163806It's true since they made her a lesbian, before that noteven Miles being able to 1vs1 Peter makes more sense than 99% the things Harley does nowadays
>>147163757And Miles is supposed to also be Spider-Man. Yet nobody cares. They don’t even pretend he’s just another one of those alt costumes you’d see them make up for toys and merch.
>>147163291Aight I don't have a defense for the miles what ifs. Then again that can be applied for the "overselling" aspect of miles
>>147163291This comic line is a real contender for the worst thing Marvel ever let stand.
>>147163414Is it bad that I kind of like inner city asgard as a concept? Like something about the mix of Manhattan with kirby's fantasy architecture seems so distinctly marvel. I wouldn't mind seeing that become an actual thing like mutant town was for a while, without the whole "Miles is Thor whatif"
>>147158361>I was hoping you'd just pack up and return to South America.Jesus Raimi!
>>147150136Green Lantern is a title given to numerous "space cops"Spider-Man isn'tIt's like if a black teen came to Gotham and Bruce decided he was the perfect replacement somehow and- OH FOR FUCKING HELL
>>147163414You wouldn't know this from ANY OF THE FUCKING COMIC BOOKS IN THE PAST 15 YEARS But Miles is also half Hispanic
>>147165808What about the Robin example, then? Flash?
>>147165808Based fellow Duke Thomas fan
>>147165824Doesn't his mom speak spanglish?
>>147165824his middle name is Gonzalo
I tried Ms Marvel/Kamala Khan's comics. The first several issues were alright at best, just plain fine really. The first trade was fine and sold very well albeit a huge drop off after the first one. But after her first appearance everything went downhill and her sales dipped. In fact her floppy sales dipped below levels that would usually trigger cancellation and have done in other books. But then they just kept pushing her.. kept retooling her.. she got a Disney show, she was in a movie, before that she was in games, prominent in that Avengers one, or other projects. They made her into a mutant and did all that. They've had her appear everywhere. And still the character is alright to mediocre. She's been around more than a decade and has no good stories, let alone great ones. But it keeps going, why? She really doesn't generate much of a buzz. I'm not hating on her, I know she has a few fans on /co/ (many coomers), it's just, a lot? Like maybe someone will eventually write a good run for her but I don't see why she has appeared in so many places as compared to many of the other 2010s characters like that.This industry plant stuff just feels like this is the problem. I get that comics creators find it easier to keep reusing a character than create something new but this stuff going on and on until it "sticks" just feels like throwing shit at the wall..
>>147165824GONZALOONZALO
>>147149071>The correct term (using internet speak) would be 'forced characters'. Characters created purely to try and get attention and sales and then kept in the limelight despite lack of popularity (that has been gained naturally).The truth is though to an extent many characters are like that. So much stuff in comics was done intentionally until it stuck, or reworked and reused. So many creative ideas are actually industry and marketing ideas that became entrenched. So many characters people say they like are characters with many poor series who kept getting pushed again or boosted by purposeful crossovers to get people from one book to another. The simple truth is, it's easier to reuse and try again than to keep coming up with new ideas. It's like the whole diversity shit, people always think that's forced where as in the past it wasn't, but in the past it was just as purposeful. After the original X-Men were cancelled they purposefully made the reboot team diverse to appeal to overseas audience, hence why you had team members from many countries. People just think when it's good it equals purposeful and when it's mediocre or bland then it was artificial. So really it's a question of quality and acceptance and not audiences understanding which is which.
>>147165847As someone else stated earlier in the thread the mantle of Robin not only doesn't replace Batman but is used as a training role to build them into their own future identity (Nightwing, Red Hood, Red Robin)Each Flash has their own villains and identity. Wally had to earn it. Just as Barry has to from Jay.Miles did none. He doesn't make his own identity (tons of Spider themed heroes in NY and yet he's the only one to try and claim Peter's mantle?). 15 years and he still doesn't have any cast of his own besides his Mom and Asian friend. Or villains. He borrows both from Peter. Miles worked in Ultimate as a replacement for a Peter Parker that's dead. In the Main universe he's nothing more than a shallow attempt at trying to slowly force the main mantle away from someone who is alive and kicking and not willing to give it up
>>147161907You are so absolutely mindbroken, it's unreal. When did I mention racism? Or are you just assuming I'm so other guy you're also losing your shit over?
>>147165911Ms. Marvel was a product of that era when they tried to pander to the female audiences, as a result creating these bland books with no real sense of danger or adventure. Usually having obnoxiously comedic tone and silly villains who are more jokes than threats.It's maybe better than Kate Leth's Hellcat or Kate Bishop Hawkeye, but not by much.
>>147166003Kekaroo, Milestranny is actually retarded.>who insist any nonwhite main character is inherently a corporate plant trying to push an agenda past making moneySomehow your retarded projecting ass got all of that out of me saying Miles is a terrible character with zero charisma and good stories.
>>147158399None of that matters. It's blatant copying regardless of what excuses you make.
>>147152198he's a complete nothing character, effectively a blank slate that they keep slapping new powers on in increasingly desperate attempts to make people give a shit. The only time he had anything resembling a personality of his own was ITSV, and they managed to fuck that up too
>>147163175Yes, he's long due to a change, even more so with Damian; everybody has complained about it.
