I think making her change her personality was a mistake. Yes she did bully Anne by making her do shit she didn't want to do, but like big deal. She improved Anne's life a million times more than she worsened it. She gave Anne purpose. Anne should have honestly felt privileged to be best friends with a kween like her. Anne was nothing without her back then. She was a worthless nobody. If Sasha moved away, Anne wouldn't have magically became a better person. It wasn't Sasha who was standing in her way back then. Only circumstances had to change for Anne to change.Sasha became a bad guy for two reasons in Amphibia. One, she tried to kill Hop Pop. And two, she tried to squash Anne's character growth after Anne became a hero. At that point Anne had the right to break off from Sasha's control.So I think Sasha's "lesson" about not forcing people to do shit they don't want to do is stupid. You should do that if you're a leader, especially to peasants. Otherwise there's no point in there being a leader. It would all be anarchy.I think Sasha was a good and generous person before she went to Amphibia and I disagree with Mutt for portraying Sasha's change of heart as a good thing. She became somewhat weak and timid, at least compared to her old self. It was a drastic personality change, but she only needed a minor adjustment: to stop doing the ONE bad thing she had been doing. I think it sends a bad message to kids that they have to throw away who they are and reinvent themselves if they end up going too far or making a mistake.
>>147152032Big frog cock corrupted her.
>>147152036toad cock saved her
>>147152032You're mentally ill.
>>147152032I mean sure, call her a "troubled youth" but she asked her friend to shoplift while looking out the window on her fucking birthday.
>>147152068That's not that bad. It's not like she made Anne buy drugs or something. Also, that was technically Marcy's idea, Sasha just went along with it.
>>147152061Good argument bro?Seriously try again, or get out my damn face.
>>147152032You got the lesson wrong anon, sasha’s lesson was to do what’s best for everyone and keep there feelings in mind not do what’s best for yourself. It’s why she had to lose Percy and Braddock and she had to fail to save Marcy. Most importantly feel the guilt of losing Anne’s trust and realizing she had to stop manipulating people. It’s why she had her turning point in the episode of her in Wartwood defending with or without Grime. It’s ok to like a flawed charecter anon if they don’t have flaws people often see character's like that fall into the Mary Sue category.
>>147152032>one of the only good parts of the show was bad actually fuck this show then
>>147152103Is manipulation really a flaw? Is it really bad? Sasha has been shown to use that power for good, like when she took over the school and stopped all the big brute type bullies from running rampant. Also when she freed herself from captivity, rebuilt the Toad army and helped the toads free themselves from the newts.I also believe that all of Sasha's compliments are real and that she loves everyone for who they are, so it's not like she's a sleezy con artist.
>>147152160When manipulation is used to have basicly human shields, like Percy and Braddock or to lie to people not telling them the entire truth to kill there Family, or to have your friend take the most dangerous part of the theft so if you get caught you’re fine. I don’t hate Sasha anon I think she’s the second most interesting charecter in the show under Grime naturally. She’s not perfect though she was two faced that’s why she got the scar and duel wields to reflect that. It’s also why when she beat Darcy she used one sword for the final blow also why she grew her hair to show that she grew as a character. I mean come on this is basic symbolism.
>>147152213>percy and braddock were human shieldsBullshit no they weren't. She loved them and respected them.>Killing Anne's familyYeah but it all depends on how you use manipulation. It's not automatically bad.>made Anne steal the boxMarcy did that. Also no way would Sasha let Anne take the fall. She's not like that. More likely she would find some way to save Anne from the pigs.It sounds like we're agreeing that Sasha did a couple of bad things after going to Amphibia. So you must also agree that she didn't need to change her entire personality, right?
>>147152213>she was two faced that’s why she got the scar and duel wields to reflect that. It’s also why when she beat Darcy she used one sword for the final blow also why she grew her hair to show that she grew as a character. I mean come on this is basic symbolism.Anon, are you fucking with me?
>>147152032I don't care. I just like the super Yuri vibes between her and Anne after her redemption arc.
>>147152281>Percy and BraddockShe told them if it got to bad they could leave no problem, than nope she lied basically using them as human shields in that fight>Killing Anne’s familyKilling is almost always bad anon and this was for political power that’s bad you know the context don’t be stupid.>Made Anne steal the boxYou know what fair Marcy manipulated both Anne and Sasha here that’s fair except it was still Anne’s birthday, she would t let Anne go home and pic related here who’s in the shop and who’s not? Like I agree Marcy was a bigger bitch here but still that’s Sasha safe outside and Anne being the only one who’s get in trouble.
>>147152337>lied to Percy and BraddockAgain, that's really not the big of a deal. And it was moreso that she changed her mind, not that she was planning on betraying them. Why do you think they didn't outright hate her after this? She was just making the kinds of decisions she had to in order to achieve her ambitions. And it was fucking epic.>it was bad to kill Hop PopI know but what I'm saying is that was only one example of her using manipulation for evil. Almost all of the other times she uses it it's for good or neutral stuff.>Anne would be the only one to get in troubleI don't believe that for a minute. Sasha doesn't let others take the fall for her. However a good argument against Sasha in this scene would be that without her Marcy probably wouldn't be able to make Anne do stuff. She only can because Sasha automatically has her back.
>>147152408Dude it was stated Anne took the fall for Sasha that got her grounded for like a month before Amphibia.
>>147152435When was this? I don't remember this at all.
>>147152453One of the episode with her Marcy and Anne hanging out in season two I think the diner?
>>147152460Post a clip or it didn't happen. I would remember this if it was true.
>>147152488https://youtu.be/omvjwjey0Zg?feature=shared1:30 seconds it was the diner this clip leaves out the part where Anne says she was grounded but now you have the episode to double check it.
>>147152032bitches got her killed for frog adventure so fuck'em both.
>>147152555Didn't fucking happen then. Also I can't check as I don't have Dibney Minus anymore.
>>147152555This was Anne's fault. She clearly chose to take one for the team.
>>147152577Oh go fuck yourself, I gave you the episode I’m not searching all of youtube for the rest of it cause you have a shit memory and are too poor to halve plus and too stupid to pirate.
>>147152636Whatever you say Parasite Pete.
I will make no excuses for Marcy.She would just fake or exaggerate her clumsiness and autism for attention and make the girls feel like it was their responsibility to give her love and affection. And she would take advantage of the fact that Anne can't say no to Sasha to make Anne do bad shit.
>>147152828Yeah Marcy really is the worst of the three girls.
Sasha biggest flaw is she’s kind of a terrible cheerleader. All her moves are basic at best.
>>147152991Spirit is more important than the moves, anon.
>>147153024That’s what the losers say at cheering competitions.
>>147153094Actually Sasha canonically has good moves and doesn't really lose at anything.
>>147153117Really cause Anne seemed to beat her twice.
>>147153161Yes but she didn't fucking lose ever in her life before that? Did you not watch the show bro??
>>147152032Fuck Sasha. Anne and Marcy would’ve been better off if they had never met her. They were robbed of a drama-free, toxic-free childhood thanks to this blonde bitch.
>>147153315Marcy would have still grown up to be a bully to Anne even without Sasha, she just would have needed to put in slightly more effort to do so.And Marcy still would have kidnapped Anne and took her to Amphibia probably.
>>147153315>>147153425Basically their lives, especially Anne's would have been a hundred times worse because they would always get beat up and they would still be losers with no purpose in life. Their lives would contain no beauty without Sash.
>>147153425The box would’ve needed three people to start up like it did so probably not.
>>147153437Anne would’ve grown a spine much sooner though. Also there’s no guarantee Marcy would end up being manipulative without Sasha’s influence.
>>147153446>he thinks Sasha made Marcy manipulativeAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!Wtf?No dude, Marcy is a bad person and her manipulation tactics aren't even the same as Sasha's. Marcy makes people feel bad for her and pressures them into coddling her. Sasha uses charm and sometimes intimidation.
>>147153439Wait is that even true? Where are you getting that information from? Is it just based on the fact that each of them got the power from one stone? Because I'm sure the pink stone could have just stayed colored. We don't know anything about how it works actually.
>>147153534When in the show did it specify that Marcy makes people feel bad for her on purpose?
>>147153548>he can't fucking use basic media literacy to see what they plainly show her do on screenYeah okay bro, please get smarter. Or you can listen to Mutt if you want. He specifically calls Marcy a bully, and this is what he means by that.
>>147153446>Anne would have grown a spine much sooner thoughPlease tell me why you think this. I unironically can't guess why.
>>147153568In her first episode we can see how Marcy hated being coddled by Anne. The only instance I can think of where it seems like she’s doing what you’re saying is True Colors, where she’s crying while giving excuses to the girls on why she sent them to Amphibia.
>>147153571Marcy wouldn’t have been able to stand up to bullies, thereby forcing Anne to grow a backbone to protect both Marcy and herself.
>>147152032She was a bitch because she wanted to fuck Anne and didn't know how to process those feelings. I mean, can you imagine spending all day around Anne "Mommy Milkers" Boobchuy and not being able to suckle on those colossal brown sweater cows? That shit would drive anyone crazy.
>>147153581>her first episode she didn't want to be coddledBut why do you think Anne already instinctually felt the urge to coddle her? Also look at every single flashback about MArcy.The truth is Marcy didn't feel like being coddled anymore because she basically was treating Amphibia as a role playing game where she's the hero, so Anne coddling her became inconvenient. It was ruining her fun.>>147153590Anne never would have done that back then. She was too passive. Too comfortable in her mediocrity. What I think Anne would have done is just covered her face and taken the beatings, and from the bullies pov it would look like the "doing hurtful things to your waifu" chart.
>>147153611Post proof. I have never seen an image of the show where Sasha was looking at Anne's boobs.
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>>147153568Pretty sure Bully Marcy refers to his original vision of amoral Marcy that didn't actually get into the show.
>>147155153Nope because that's not true and amoral Marcy is in the show also. But he was definitely talking about the actual finished product. Which you would know if you WATCHED it. As I have explained.
>no one posting>thread will die if I don't keep it alive>want to go do other shitThis sucks. I know if I just wait I can have some good quality discussion once you niggers wake up.
I'm going to bump it one more time before leaving. Please keep this thread alive until I get back so I can continue having kino discussion. This is the only thread on /co/ to have any discussing in a while.
>>147155940Also feel free to post Sasha art. NO GAY YURI.
>>147153289Do you know what Anne had that Sasha didn’t stable parents.
