Funny how Castlevania is a "cartoon" and not an "anime" when it's time for an "us vs them" argument.

>>147154051
It was always a cartoon.
Only cartoons race swap

>>147153960
did you list castlevania as a joke or because literally only arcane is worth mentioning and it's sad to just have only ONE decent western show?

>>147154660
castlevania Has great animation

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>>147154702
>castlevania Has great animation

>>147153960
Castlevania is one of the worst fucking adaptations ever to exist in the medium of motion picture.

>>147154739
Yes. That’s great sakuga

>>147153960
The second season of lol was garbage and the other series was never good. I would say that the anime won.

>>147153960
Only non-american ones.

>>147154751
nope
https://youtu.be/RzClCJFpSoM?si=QvjadiIREKw-DMSk

>>147154745
>one of the worst fucking adaptations ever to exist in the medium of motion picture
unironically I think you could actually make a long list of other franchises. Castlevania is terrible though

>>147154745
No way, not when Uwe Boll and Anderson's shit exists.

>>147154767
donghua?

>>147154051
Because I don't think that shit is made in Japan

>>147153960
I actually enjoy looking and hot black chicks.

>>147153960
I am sorry dear anon but this is such an retarded question
Is this genre if animation better than this genre of animation
Nigga it's all a preference
There is no war of anime vs western style animation
It's all a preference
It's just that western animation sucks ass now and it's thrown in the bin for most of the time by big corpo

>>147155108
Is cartoons from Japan better than the west?

>>147153960
arcane's great IF it's only S1. S2 sucks with it's lack of direction after Silco died while trying to be make some high concept franco-belgian comic story tho, even if the animation and the aesthetic is peak

>>147155144
I would say yes, the West is ruining its potential for this medium because of shitty leftist policies and corporate greed.

>>147153960
I don't play League of Legends but I hear Arcane is leagues more faithful to the games and lore source material

Castlevania went wrong from the start because of Ellis not understanding the material and doing his own shit, Nocturne just does the same without him

>>147155162
S2 looked bad imo. They used and abused slow mo static pictures and off camera sound. Jinx looked lame most of the time because they couldn’t give her the schizo effects anymore, and somehow lost the knowledge of her body language. And im pretty sure the faces where less textured

>>147155206
From what I've heard what happened with Arcane and League was like if Konami went and added cussing and Alucard getting fucked in the ass to SotN

>>147153960
Would left any day.

>>147155206
It's the opposite actually
Arcane literally radically changed some of the games lore while also erasing 2 characters and combining some with others
"Vander" and viktor got completely changed , to the point they are completely unlike how they are ingame (which led to viktor being completely deleted and replaced in lol, with major pushback of course)while dr. Reveck got combined with the mad scientist character known as singed.

>>147154761
Season 1
>Uhhh they're not doing the backstory or the roles these characters are supposed to have in the lore, but they eventually will, right?
Season 2
> They still aren't. Oh wow the series ends there? Wow season 2 is garbage.
Should be season 1 and 2 are garbage, since they suffer from the same problems.

>>147155272
Arcane really fucked over a lot of fans of the region of piltover and zaun
And most mains of champions from that region
Especially champs like warwick, heimerdinger and viktor
The total backlash was insane
Hopefully it was more like a learning experience from riot and they won't be as retarded as they were when making this show

>>147154739
I can sorta follow what's going on but the choppiness doesn't make it flow well.

>>147155288
There was no backlash you are just trying too hard to be loyal to the youtuber actir that told you this happened

>>147153960
>now
I can still find some anime to enjoy but western studio have kind of given up. The channels I used to watched as a kid have stopped making shows. Arcane is a good series but it released 4 years ago and 2021 had plenty of good anime as well. Cartoons can compete with anime by just being cartoons. Bring back the type of them that we used to get in 90s or at least 00s.

>>147155272
>Uhhh they're not doing the backstory or the roles these characters are supposed to have in the lore, but they eventually will, right?
Yes, but it was a good story. It was also obvious that they were not going to finish their stories in a single season.
>since they suffer from the same problems.
no

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>>147153960
What makes something better than another thing? Their peaks. An average ya book is as shit as an average cartoon but the best of books heavily outclass the best of cartoons. the same is true for anime. The best of anime heavily outclass the best of cartoons. Cartoon would be better now if they had produced a lot of outstanding cartoons in the last half a decade or so but the only example you have is Arcane. Arcane was great. Finally something on par with atla. But Japan already has at least a dozen of anime that are on par or better than atla. Arcane is outstanding but even it can't compete with the best of anime and even if it could, there is only 1 arcane and way more great anime. In conclusion no, cartoons are not better than anime now.

>>147155325
Real players don’t care about this shitshow qt all. Congrats confirming you are just a castrated tertiaries. Don’t bother with asmongold essay "proving you right" now adults are talking

>>147153960
>literal we wuz

>>147155405
We what?

>>147155206
>>147155246
>>147155264
You mean same shit just different degrees?

>>147153960
>only "good" show is Arcane
>Netflixvania is dogshit in everything but fine animation
>meanwhile Japan has several shows that are high quality every year in both animation and writing
Kek
Arcane is carrying the entire cartoon industry.

>>147153960
Even if everyone anon here accepted arcane was better than a majority of Anime... it's one show and thus the exception to the rule. Arcane can't hard carry the entire industry.

>>147155416
It literally is
It's fucking disturbing
League of legends once again being peak

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At leas you're not a DotA fan. This shit was ass. So ass that people don't even bother complaining about it.

>>147154739
That's a low quality webm, of course it looks like shit.

>>147154739
It does, deliberately posting something that's missing frames just makes it clear you don't know the topic

>>147155416
>meanwhile Japan has several shows that are high quality every year in both animation and writing

lol no

>>147155517
lol yes

>>147155517
Even if they were just 2 good anime per year it would still be more than one show that aired in 2021.

>>147155409
wuz sexo goddesses

>>147155517
Yeah, Arcane being the only good thing the cartoon industry has produced in 10 years is embarassing.

>>147154878
it was outsourced to a korean studio i think.
People call random chinese shit 'anime' all the time, so i guess it depends how pedantic one wants to be

>>147155344
This. Give me a LOTGH-like cartoon and I will that they are good. Until then fuck off.

Every cartoon is better than anime because japan is shit and can't make any good anime

>>147155645
does japan even produce anything on the level of LOTGH anymore?

>>147155647
In your fantasies. Most of the best animated series ever made are japanese.

>>147155649
They neved did and probably will never do since an ova lasting that much time is an irregularity(still the west never made something like this in the first place). I guess they are airing the lotgh remake right now. If you are not put off by the lower quality designs , the writing is pretty good.

>>147155655
i've ended up watching anime for the past few years now because cartoons are so lackluster lately, Arcane being the only thing i think i liked.
it's fun watching anime since there's new shows every season and some are usually really good.

>>147153960
No. Even if you like Castlevania and Arcanie (which from this post seems less likely and more you just have jungle fever) anime still produces series of that level of that ever season.
And I know some retard is going to go
>No they don't, lol
We get it, your a contrarian. No one cares.

>>147155655
Anime is garbage

>>147155473
This was funded with the same money that trained the poeple who trained the guys who caused 9/11.

>>147155688
>no argument
Keep repeating yourself..

>>147155693
I dont need to argue with a weeb. I just need to tell them that anime is garbage trash. Cartoons are better.

>>147155699
>another repetition
Keep going on. I will discuss with you when you have a proper argument.

>>147155711
Anime is all fairly terrible. Nothing but the same tired tropes over and over again. They aren't funny nor memorable. Little to no relatable characters. A lot of them are just power fantasies with no depth at all. Or you can have the worst voiceacting you'll ever hear ever. I'm surprised people like you can even tolerate listening to anime for an extended period because of this. The animations themselves are usually fine but that's all id ever give anime over cartoons. There's no cartoony anime its all very stale usually normal looking people. Japan can't make a good cartoon.

>>147153960
Worse. Far, far worse.

>>147153960
>skin tone decides politics

>>147155771
Yes that's the day and age we live in. Black people are a political statement for the past ten years now and it will never stop being a political thing to include us. We will never be seen as a normal thing ever again because of politics. Weebs tend to favor anime for this reason as black people are rarely depicted in anime which they see as a good thing over cartoons.

>>147155742
>Nothing but the same tired tropes over and over again
All fiction is the same tried tropes all over again but anime has plenty of stuff that isn't that. Plenty of anime that use character traits that you barely even find in cartoons. Name a cartoon that does a Spike-like character efficiently.
>A lot of them are just power fantasies with no depth at all.
And yet you have anime like Ping Pong, Lotgh or Haibane Renmei with more depth than any cartoon.
>Or you can have the worst voiceacting you'll ever hear ever. I'm surprised people like you can even tolerate listening to anime for an extended period because of this
Wrong, someone like Noriko Hidaka has fantastic voice acting. Once again the average anime is not better than the average cartoon or the average book or vidya etc. But the best of anime absolutely "mogs" cartoon.
>There's no cartoony anime its all very stale usually normal looking people.
Wrong as well, most kodomo are extremely cartoony. I will give you 1 thing though, the best thing about cartoons. The comedy slapstick stuff, especially the old shorts are the best thing about cartoons and the one genre where they are better than anime. Everywhere else they come short.

>>147155771
>>147155776
>everything is politics...except this, obviously.

>>147155779
>Name a cartoon that does a Spike-like character efficiently.
I dont care about who this spike you're talking about is. He's a anime character so he's probably just some power fantasy you are supposed to self insert as like every other mc.
>And yet you have anime like Ping Pong, Lotgh or Haibane Renmei with more depth than any cartoon.
Don't care about any of these shows anyway never heard of em.
>Noriko Hidaka
Im sure any Japanese screeching sounds pleasant to you anyway weeb
>kodomo
Don't know or care what that means. Its not coming close to something like ed edd n eddy for the sheer laughs it can deliver

>>147155785
She could be the only black person in the show and you stupid chud niggers would call it political

>>147155798
>don't care don't care don't care
Fantastic arguments. I accept your concession.

>>147155876
Why should i give a single fuck about what weebs think? They are all retarded with awful taste in cartoons.

>>147155907
If you didn't give a fuck, you would have just left this thread. The fact that you engage with "weebs" every time means that you care about them.

>>147155933
The thread has in the op the word anime. Fuck anime Fuck weebs i hate them.

I want to colonize them both

>>147153960
>>147154739
Ebonies...

>>147153960
Does somebody genuinely care for Mel?

>>147155264
>Vander
Only the design.

Just rewatched the entirety of Arcane and it's not even funny how much superior S1 is. It's blatant. It's like you're watching some Scorsese kino and all of sudden you switch to James Gunn slop.

My God. It really is a fatigue, isn't?

As an old fucker that remembers the old-ass League lore it's seeing Riot streamline their lore by overwriting it all with Arcane. Remember when Ryze was the MC? Lol.

>>147155568
I thought chinese stuff was manhua or whatever.

>>147155699
>Cartoons are better.
Which cartoons?

>>147156699
S2 was such a mess. I thought they were taking long because they wanted it to be quality but...

>>147154051
Nobody ever considered Castlevania anime outside of retards that don't know what anime is

>>147155517
The only people that would deny this don't actually watch anime

>>147155487
That's literally what it looks like in the show nice deflecting dumbass lmao

>>147156884
That would deny what? The post you are replying to or the post that the post you are replying to mentioned.

>>147153960
>Are cartoons better than anime now?
>now
Always have been, always will be.

>>147156960
More like never have been, never will be. Read >>147155344

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>>147156998
> compelling stories
>in western cartoons
Anyways, you can't refute the truth so you have to cope.

Bump

I would not call Arcane a cartoon.

>>147157072
French cartoon

>>147153960
left looks more fuckable so anime wins

>>147155566
Invincible is neat.
But yeah.

>>147156846
All of them on the merit that they arent anime

>>147155645
holy shit it's the same retard with the galactic hero bullshit every single time.
-every Star Trek cartoon
-every Star Wars cartoon
-Once Upon a Time... Space
or basically any sci-fi cartoon ever set in space.
and yes both Star Trek and Star Wars cartoons are valid, considering that your galactic hero shit is based on novels and wasn't original to the cartoon.

>>147154739
Holy shit where did they leave all the frames?

>>147155645
>Gimme 100 episodes of boring shit where all people do is stand around and talk about space politics and then I'll say cartoons are good

>>147157072
Des seins animés

>>147156884
... in your retarded fantasies.

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>>147155420
>>147155566
>>147156846
>overhyped netflix shows are the only cartoons i know, BUT you must know every 'i got hit by a truck and reincarnated as my underage sister's tampon' seasonal anime when i'm asking for western equivalents!
how about we talk about this one? oh wait you don't know what it is and will default to not knowing it in the next thread anyway.
>>147155779
>Name a cartoon that does a Spike-like character efficiently.
describe a "Spike-like" character then. asking for equivalents is already in bad faith because your judgement will depend on what traits you were personally thinking of, but you didn't even give a clue to what the fuck you mean.

>>147158755
>literal who cartoon no one even knows is somehow better then Arcane
I'm sure the 4 people that know what that is are very happy it exist.

>>147158803
>popularity = quality
ok weeb, im glad we don't have to argue anymore because you defeated yourself in the first reply. also you can bet Arcane would be unknown if it wasn't tied to the LoL brand. how many French shows can you name again?

>>147154051
This lol

>>147154842
At least not woke DEI clarify.

Mel was the hottest character in Arcane though?

>>147157012
>FF
Best shonen horror

>>147156869
Netflix themselves considered it anime and I will not let anyone forget that.

>>147158830
>Frenchy trying to shill his unknown literal who shit on 4chan
Kek
Not my fault no one outside your populated toilet river country hasn't made anything popular in years.

>>147158628
The outstanding thing about Lotgh is the character writing. None of these have character writing on par with it. Hell most of them also have garbage character designs compared to the cel animated soulfull designs of lotgh.
>>147158681
>/co/ fag has adhd
Classic. Go back to you calarts slop.

>>147158921
i'm not French and the webm is also not from a French cartoon, braindead weeb.
>Not my fault no one outside your populated toilet river country hasn't made anything popular in years.
did you read this before posting? i'm wasting my time talking with a bot, right?

>>147158755
> but you didn't even give a clue to what the fuck you mean
Watch cowboy bebop and you will know what I mean.

>>147158930
>The outstanding thing about Lotgh is the character writing.
cool because you didn't specify that. but when i list cartoons with good character writing you will also deflect by saying "yeah but those are not in space and they are not in a war and and and"
>None of these have character writing on par with it.
i'm sure you watched all of them before deducting this.
>>147158949
>lol i don't know your literal who cartoon therefore it's invalid.
>also watch my literal who anime otherwise i'm right!

I kinda miss monster of the week action cartoons like Generator Rex, Ben 10, Secret Saturdays, and Jake Long.
I wish stuff like that came back where it's just kids with superpowers fighting monsters and some cool plot in the background. I don't care about gore, sex or "mature" shit, I want fun.

>>147154051
Do you think Avatar is anime too?

>>147159001
>>lol i don't know your literal who cartoon therefore it's invalid.
Where have I said that?
>literal who anime
If you think CB is a “literal who” then you are extremely young. It would take a little to write what makes Spike special. It would also spoil the whole show.

>>147153960
Not sure why you'd exclude Castlevania when Richter became a nigress doormat.

>>147157199
French video gaming-style anime

>>147156960
This

>>147159031
>If you think CB is a “literal who” then you are extremely young.
no, i just haven't watched most things people from USA seemingly consider basic knowledge. you probably only know it because it was apparently on Adult Swim, which didn't even exist here. it's like people can't comprehend that knowledge and even pop culture is not universal in the whole world.

>>147159125
You would have learnt about CB by simply engaging with the internet back in the day or maybe just by being interested in animation since it’s considered one if not the best animated series ever made. Spike is a guy that is running from his past and is ready to throw his life away because he doesn’t see that much value in it. Telling you more about him and his development would be the same as just writing the whole plot which I am not going to do.

>>147159001
>you watched all of them
I’ve watched The Gennedy star wars and the cgi seasons. I’ve watched some episodes of once upon time space but character writing wasn’t at all their focus. I’ve watcher ST prodigy and I’ve dropped lower decks.

>>147159177
>You would have learnt about CB by simply engaging with the internet back in the day or maybe just by being interested in animation since it’s considered one if not the best animated series ever made.
and Son of the White Mare is considered one if not the best animated movie ever made (even internationally), and yet most people still don't know what it is if you mention it. i remember when the director died there was a thread here, but he didn't even get a sticky because most posters didn't know who it was.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/123409990/#123409990
>>147159177
>Spike is a guy that is running from his past and is ready to throw his life away because he doesn’t see that much value in it.
not a series, but you basically described Heroic Times (1984) i also won't spoil it, but basically you should not expect the movie to be considerate about your emotions.
Toldi short series is the adaptation of the same story, but it was left unfinished. this webm is from there: >>147158755
if they decide to continue it, you will get that in a series format too.

>>147154751
>Weeb is so japan-poisoned xhe is unable to simply call it "good animation"

>>147158930
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WATCH 100 EPISODES OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT SPACE POLITICS BECAUSE IT’S KINO
The prequels don’t get a pass for it so neither does LOTGH.

>>147154739
Where's the porn of this bitch

>>147154842
>Anderson
You're talking about those shitty netflix shorts and not Mr Fox right?

>>147155344
This.

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>>147154051
Havent you ever been on a school trip and seen another schoolbus and suddenly felt instant solidarity with your classmates even the ones you dont like? Its a universal human experience that is deeprooted within all of us.

>>147156733
go back to /tv/

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>>147153960
I'll make an expection for her.

>>147162953
GIWTWM

>>147162197
>Havent you ever been on a school trip and seen another schoolbus and suddenly felt instant solidarity with your classmates even the ones you dont like?
No.

>Its a universal human experience that is deeprooted within all of us.
I think you're just a weirdo.

>>147153960
fuck you bump

>>147155409
>newfag

>>147153960
Nope.

>>147164696
Yes.
Gay

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>>147154739
You ain't Spiderverse bro

Anime is shit

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>>147165981
No.
It’s better than most gay cartoons

>>147165981
Cartoon have gay black vampire?
>>147164381

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>>147166547

>>147166549

https://gizmodo.com/castlevania-nocturne-season-2-black-representation-drolta-annette-2000549714

>>147153960
I prefer political over constantly being thrown idiotic underexplained fantasy words at and everyone expects me to understand what they talk about.

>dark skinned character

>>147153960
I woild always take anime over the woke slop that are cartoons.

>>147167366
Black

>>147160886
>>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WATCH
No one is forcing you to do anything. Go watch whatever garbage you like instead.

>>147166547
Ive never seen a good anime ever and I've watched a lot of them. They are all bad.

>>147167733
This is me with cartoons. I've watched every cartoon ever made and they were all worse than bad, they were awful so anime only bad makes it better than cartoons.

>>147153960
The mediums are both generally still just as bad as they were 10 years ago, for different reasons.
>Cartoons
Largely bean mouth kiddy shit paired with cheaply-made Rick and Morty style crass "adult" animation. Tacked on politics and morals when they don't even need to be in the show, let alone the episode.
>Anime
Regurgitated slop, the industry adamantly refuses to engage with new ideas, both anime and manga. Everything that succeeds is a copy of a copy of a copy of an actually legendary anime from the 80s, 90s, and aughts.

>>147167873
>Regurgitated slop, the industry adamantly refuses to engage with new ideas, both anime and manga.
Odd taxi was not a copy of a copy and 10 years ago you've got Ping Pong which was one of the best anime ever made while avoiding the typical spokon trappings.

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>>147159026

My rule has always been if it's not made by an ethnic Japanese then it's not anime.

Shows like Totally Spies aped the look of it but because it's from France I still draw line there.

>>147167887
>Ping Pong
Not an industry success. I know only one guy who likes it unironically.
>Odd Taxi
Did alright, still not a megahit. The industry successes from that year were Tokyo Revengers, Wonder Egg, Redo of Healer, and Mushoku Tensei, all of which prove my point.

>>147168016
>Not an industry success.
Prove it, post the numbers.
> The industry successes from that year were Tokyo Revengers, Wonder Egg, Redo of Healer, and Mushoku Tensei, all of which prove my point.
Again prove it and if if it's correct why should I care? The best of anime have rarely been success. In the 00s the successes were mindless battle shounen. In the 90s/80s the success were mostly mindless violent ovas and romcoms instead of the more artistic stuff like Angel Egg. I don't give a fuck about what succeeds. I actually prefer when I can enjoy an anime without a retarded fanbase.

>>147168046
>post the numbers
No. But only winning one award in what is essentially a movie festival for retarded auteur types doesn't make it an industry success.
>why should I care? The best of anime have rarely been success
Are you just retarded or do you lack reading comprehension? I'm not saying that there are no good cartoons or anime out there. Just that the mediums in general have been consistently, on average, bad for a decade.

>>147168085
>I'm not saying that there are no good cartoons or anime out there. Just that the mediums in general have been consistently, on average, bad for a decade.
And what's your proof for that? How successful a show is? The averages have always been shit. The successful stuff from the past has mostly been shit as well. Read >>147155344

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>>147167873
>The mediums are both generally still just as bad as they were 10 years ago, for different reasons.
Even in the 00s anime mogs cartoons. Even in the 90s anime mogs cartoons Same with the 80s and 70s. You have to go further back for cartoons to get a win. The best of anime have always been better than the best of cartoons.

>>147168135
>And what's your proof for that? How successful a show is?
Paired with the actual quality of the show, yes.
>The averages have always been shit.
No, get out.
>The successful stuff from the past has mostly been shit as well.
Not really.
>Read (post number)
No.
>>147168149
Just going to list some cartoons that are of such high quality that they rival the entire medium of anime from each period.
>00s cartoons
Samurai Jack.
>90s cartoons
Batman TAS.
>80s cartoons
Inspector Gadget.
>70s cartoons
Wizards, or if we have to stick to kiddie shit like most people do with anime, Schoolhouse Rock.

>>147153960
Anime has seen better days for sure, but cartoons are still at the same place they were 10 years ago. Rock bottom. Nothing is worse than modern cartoons.

>>147168177
>Just going to list some cartoons that are of such high quality that they rival the entire medium of anime from each period.
Lmao.
>00s
Gets mogged by Haibane Renmei and Texhnolyze, Kino no tabi, Princess tutu, Mushishi, gits sac etc.
>90s
Mogged by Cowboy Bebop, Eva, Lain, Lotgh, Trust and Betrayal etc.
>80s
Gets mogged by Perfect blue, Space Cobra, Area 88, Gunbuster, Dirty Pair, 11-nin Iru! etc,
>70s
gets destroyed by Rose of Versailles, Takarajima, Ashita no joe, Gundam etc.
There are so many more good and diverse anime than cartoons it's insane.
>Wizards
kek, you have so few adult directors. Oshii and Kon destroy all of your slop.

>>147168177
>No, get out.
>>The successful stuff from the past has mostly been shit as well.
>Not really.
So the 00s were so good because Naruto was popular? Fucking retard. Anyways this sounds like cope because cartoons are garbage while I can still find some modern anime to enjoy.
>that list
Kek, mad cartoon sloper detected.

>>147168237
>00s
Incredibly wrong, holy shit.
>90s
TV literally doesn't get better than Batman TAS.
>80s
Debatable, but only with with Dirty Pair. Rest aren't worth considering.
>70s
Just flat up wrong except for maybe Ashita no Joe.
>>147168256
ESL, learn to read English and then we can have a conversation. The other guy can at least comprehend my points.

>>147168177
>they rival the entire medium of anime from each period.
That is such a HUGE lie. There are some good cartoons but none of them touch the best of anime(unless you take slapstick like T&J consideration which is better than anime slapstick)
>if we have to stick to kiddie shit like most people do with anime,
This is ironic considering that 90% of adult western animation is comedy while you have so much more interesting ideas in adult anime, even in he modern era.

>>147168269
>Incredibly wrong, holy shit.
Nice arguments, retard.
>TV literally doesn't get better than Batman TAS.
Batman tas is garbage.
>Debatable, but only with with Dirty Pair. Rest aren't worth considering.
All of them better than inspector trash.
>Just flat up wrong except for maybe Ashita no Joe.
1 episode of RoV is better than the entire cartoon industry.

Anime has largely been shit for 20 years but I don't know how anyone could argue in favor of western cartoons. They're one step above stick figure animation at this point.

>>147168269
>The other guy can at least comprehend my points.
I am >>147168135, nigger. Anyways, nice cope kek. Cartroons are still garbage.

>>147168177
>all his examples are slop
At least post some shorts, braindead nigger.
>>147168281
This. Cartoons died in the 1970s when they stopped making good shorts.

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>>147168237
>Haibane Renmei
One of the best things I've ever watched. I wish cartoons could be like this.

>>147168281
I would actually prefer if they made stick figure animation, we might get could fight animations.

>>147168237
/co/ sisters… How do we cope woth this?

>>147168270
I would argue that the best of cartoons and the best of anime are roughly equivalent. I'm mostly trying to not be a gigantic fucking nohoper weeb that slurps down any mediocre show that's an anime and decries an entire branch of the medium.
>90% of adult western animation is comedy
You also don't seem to recall the fact that anime is, in Japan, a hobby that you're supposed to "grow out of". So most adult anime is still for teenagers and very young adults, making the comparison almost meaningless. Western adult animation is for immature 30-40 year olds who think in Joss Whedon quips, yes, but Japan doesn't have anything currently being made for the same age demographic.
>>147168277
>Samurai Jack stands on its own, I don't need to argue further.
>Oh, you're just stupid?
>Oh, you're just stupid?
>Oh, you're just stupid?
>>147168285
Still not learning to read. So sad.
>>147168281
I'm not arguing in favor of either medium over the other. I'm arguing that they're generally equivalent.

>>147168269
>TV literally doesn't get better than Batman TAS.
>budget Cowboy Bebop
>better than anything
Kek.

>>147168316
>I would argue that the best of cartoons and the best of anime are roughly equivalent
I disagree. The best of anime destroys the best of cartoons. That are sadly any true auters in the cartoon sphere. They are not equivalent at all. You could never get something like Akira or Perfect Blue or Patlabor from cartoons.
>You also don't seem to recall the fact that anime is, in Japan, a hobby that you're supposed to "grow out of". So most adult anime is still for teenagers and very young adults, making the comparison almost meaningles
Kon's stuff is not really for teenagers.
>ut Japan doesn't have anything currently being made for the same age demographic.
Not for 40+ years old but there are plenty of anime for people in their 20s/30s.

>>147167490
Yuck

>>147168316
>>Samurai Jack stands on its own, I don't need to argue further.
Stands on his own as being garbage slop.
>Oh, you're just stupid?
>Oh, you're just stupid?
>Oh, you're just stupid?
I accept your concession. All that garbage doesn't even begin to touch anime.

>>147168316
>another cope
Kek, mindbroken.

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>>147168269
>Yeah bro, Inspector Gadget mogs that Satoshi Kon and Osamu Dezaki tripe!

God almighty, at least list something like Plague Dogs or Son of the White Mare.

>>147168316
>I'm arguing that they're generally equivalent.
Then where are the western equivalents of directors like Dezaki, Oshii, Satoshi, Ishiguro etc. Where are the cartoon equivalents of the stuff mentioned on >>147168237? What's the cartoon equivalent of >>147168307

>>147168316
>I'm arguing that they're generally equivalent.

Eh. Anime still hash some effort put into the production values. Not much, mind you. But it is some. Cartoons should probably just get replaced by AI. It would look like fake, uncanny valley slop, but that would still be an improvement.

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>>147168269
>>147168177
The most pathetic posts I've seen from /co/.

>>147153960
Mating press

>>147168340
>First point: literally just your opinion. Just look to Europe, rather than America.
>I'd argue that his stuff was for young adults, which still ties into my points. Also, he's not really relevant for the discussion of the industries in the last decade. The year 2000 was 25 years ago, remember?
>20s is young adults, 30s isn't the target demographic anymore. They may enjoy current-day anime and manga, but they aren't what the industry is aiming to get.
>>147168347
I call a fatwa upon all those who disparage Genndy Tartakovsky. Enjoy your visit from the loyal sons of Allah, SEAmonkey.
>>147168350
I'm just listing the first things that come to mind from each era that are good enough to compete, anon.
>>147168356
>Dezaki
Died in 2011.
>Oshii
Last anime was in 2014.
>Kon
Died in 2010.
>Ishiguro
Died in 2012.
It may be true that in the west, there might not be as many all-star directors for cartoons, but in the last decade, only Shinkai could really stand as such. Plus, having all-star directors isn't really an indication on the general health of the industry in general. We have all-star directors in Hollywood and that industry has been spiraling around the drain for a good 20 years.
>>147168358
I wouldn't argue this, given how much is being replaced with CGI, which is another step towards AI. Especially with how prevalent that absolutely awful "60 FPS" AI upscaling is for anime fans.

>>147168177
Only Samurai Jack and btas are good from this list. Sj's more experimental episodes are really great and btas had plenty of hard hits as well(funnily enough the best looking ones were animated by the nips). The problem is that the other anon is right for every good cartoon he could name 10 good anime and neither of those is better than the whole medium from each period. Hell Cowboy Bebop was a better episodic show compared to BTAS and the 00s had plenty of experimental anime to compete with SJ.

>>147168429
>>First point: literally just your opinion. Just look to Europe, rather than America.
Not my opinion in the history of anime there have been way more remarkable directories than even all of Europe combined.
>>I'd argue that his stuff was for young adults, which still ties into my points. Also, he's not really relevant for the discussion of the industries in the last decade. The year 2000 was 25 years ago, remember?
You fucking retard, his stuff was copied by movies directors and we are not talking about only the current industry. We are talking about the bets of anime in general.
>>20s is young adults, 30s isn't the target demographic anymore.
30s have never been the target demographic ever(unless it's mahou shojo)

>>147168429
>I call a fatwa upon all those who disparage Genndy Tartakovsky. Enjoy your visit from the loyal sons of Allah, SEAmonkey.
Kek, you said that Perfect blue "isn't wroth considering". Meanwhile Kon is 1000 better than Genndy you dumb fucking retard.

>cartoons vs anime arguments

If it was made after 1999 it's crap, same as everything else.

idk but the western side has a 100x uglier attitude
Japan wouldn't copy the west and immediately claim it's better than the west

>>147168429
>It may be true that in the west, there might not be as many all-star directors for cartoons, but in the last decade, only Shinkai could really stand as such
Why are you changing the subject? We were talking about anime directors that are unrivaled in the west. Is this your concession? "Yeah they were better than anything in the west yet now they are dead". Ok, I accept it. I can name directors that are still alive if that's what you want.

>>147168470
But anime before 1999 are still better than cartoons before 1999.

>>147168456
>we are not talking about only the current industry. We are talking about the bets of anime in general.
You guys who jumped on my dick made it about "generally". Going back to my first post, it specifies "just as bad as they were 10 years ago" in the first line.
>30s have never been the target demographic ever(unless it's mahou shojo)
No shit. Tell me more. Not like I implied this. Or outright said it.
>>147168480
See the above.
>>147168478
No, they wouldn't. Because the Japanese are polite, unlike all the Indonesian and Filipino weeaboos that use this website.

>>147168429
>I'm just listing the first things that come to mind from each era that are good enough to compete
You lying brown monkey. You've literally written
> Rest aren't worth considering.
Kill yourself, worthless nigger.

>>147168500
>You guys who jumped on my dick made it about "generally". Going back to my first post, it specifies "just as bad as they were 10 years ago" in the first line.
Yes, your embarrassing responses here>>147168269 >>147168177 were claiming some shitty toons are better than the best of anime. You can't back down now, retard.

>>147168505
I'm ever so sorry that I insulted your unicorn without knowing, anon. But it tends to be that the only people who open up with the nigger brigade are either underage or from the depths of the Pacific Ocean. Which are you? Both? Shouldn't you be getting dinner, now?
>>147168517
Wow, no shit. Almost like I responded to what you said. Shocker. Got any more truth nukes to drop, Javier?

>>147168500
>See the above.
So you are conceding that anime and cartoons are not equivalent? Ok.

>>147168523
>Wow, no shit. Almost like I responded to what you said
So your small brain thinks inspect gadget is better than Perfect Blue? Holy fuck you are retarded. No wonder cartoons are so garbage.

>>147168523
>I'm ever so sorry that I insulted your unicorn without knowing, anon.
Nah, the truth is that you haven't watched any of the anime mentioned. Maybe 1 at best or else you would have realized that Dezaki mogs all western cartoons.
>ut it tends to be that the only people who open up with the nigger brigade
Imagine getting triggered by "nigger". You are most likely a zoomer kek.

>>147168497
Maybe. If it was made before 1999, it's probably worth my time so I don't bother to discriminate.

>>147168269
You have not watched any of these. Texhnolyze alone has directing like you will never see in any cartoon.

>>147168500
It's not about politeness at all. It's just like when whites stole music styles from blacks. it's nothing but a systemic issue.

>>147168558
>If it was made before 1999, it's probably worth my time so I don't bother to discriminate.
I do because there are not cartoons on par with the best of anime. Why would I watch a toy commercial when I can watch a gritty ova or something like Cowboy Bebop?

>>147168237
>Area 88
>11-nin Iru
>Takarajima
>Princess tutu
I still haven't watched those. Based list.

>>147168535
Just because something is highbrow auteur shit, it doesn't mean it is automatically better than lowbrow works of high quality. It's like how Oscar, the film, is better than any Godfather film except the first, to use a 3DPD example.
>>147168550
>>147168559
I was going to give more in-depth replies to both of you, but then I realized you would both just keep going no matter how much I reply, no matter what I say, even if I do provide examples of each and every one of those anime I watched. But I leave you with this- you're being /lit/ for anime right now, saying something absurd like "all Russian Lit mogs all American Lit". Consider rethinking your life.
>>147168569
It is about politeness, because the Japanese DID copy the west at the beginning, and for a good while afterwards, and they didn't act arrogant. Unless you're talking about animesque western cartoons? Because those are usually made by weebs who talk up how much they love the exact kind of anime that the above two anons talked up endlessly. Either that or just massive Ghibli heads.

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>>147153960
1. Castlevania Nocturne was animated in South Korea so the animation is anime by default.
2. Castlevania is a Japanese property.
3. Picrel is how Annette looked in the games.

>>147168600
>Just because something is highbrow auteur shit
Perfect Blue is not highbrow auteur shit. It's just a very good movie with very memorable direction. Inspector gadget is just a shitty episodic action-comedy with nothing memorable but the direction(which was done by the nips, who would have guessed)

>>147168600
>I was going to give more in-depth replies to both of you, but then I realized you would both just keep going no matter how much I reply, no matter what I say,
Kek
>I can but I won't do it!!! Trust me!!
Sure. Do it or you are a lying bitch. Write about every single anime from those and I will engage with you. You won't do it because you haven't watched any one of them. And I have enough proof for that.
>/lit/ for anime right now, saying something absurd like "all Russian Lit mogs all American Lit"
The better example would be "books mog coloring book" which is the comparison used here considering that you think Btas is better than Cowboy Bebop or Schoolhouse Rock. is better than Takarajima. The cartoon industry wished it had as many good entries.

>>147168578
I like gritty ovas and toy commercials. I also want toys of Cowboy Bebop.

>>147168659
>and toy commercials
I only like the good toy commercials and there were way too few of those on the cartoon side. Also no cartoons like the kino shit you got from 90s and 90s Gainax.
> I also want toys of Cowboy Bebop.
You could probably still find some.

>>147168630
I would argue that most thrillers actually are all highbrow auteur shit, or at least attempt to be such. It's why the genre is littered with so many failures across all mediums.
>>147168649
>Sure. Do it or you are a lying bitch. Write about every single anime from those and I will engage with you.
You make such an enticing case for continuing the conversation. I'm certainly ever so interested. Unfortunately, I can already tell you this is how it will go:
>point out positives of anime that I liked
>hmm, I bet he read that from a review or wikipedia
>point out flaws of anime that I didn't like
>stupid lying fucking nigger, I bet he got that opinion from /a/ or /co/mblr