Tv Tropes is one of the most god awful things that shouldn’t have been made. It has affected /co/ and everywhere else on the net negatively
>>147154236TV Tropes it's cool. I like to read it after I've watched a movie or series for the trivia section
Sounds like OP went to the wrong page and got jump scared
I've never seen Tvtropes legitimately impact anything ever desu
>>147154236the only bad part of TvTropes is its takeover by faggots and troons like every other wiki-style site the past 10 years. otherwise its purpose is acceptable.
>>147154246There is something so fucking funny and a major why I can’t respect these folks.>>147154241Probably could find that in another forum place>>147154258Well there’s here and twitter
>>147154285>there’s here and twitterCan't ruin what was always bad.
>>147154236Is that your “The Reason You Suck” Speech?
>>147154246Jesus Christ anon, this is a blue board!
>>147154236It's also run by a bunch of self-important pretentious idiots with narcissistic superiority complexes who view all comic creators and writers as lower life forms. They act like their little circle jerk site is some holy palace of criticism, but in reality it's nothing more than a monolith of unfiltered autism, overflowing with the ramblings of untalented goons who failed at creating anything of value on their own, and now focus exclusively on dissecting the works of others, like parasites jealous of others' successes. The site is a testament to what happens when absolute losers are given too much freedom and confidence, acting like their shitty opinions are some sacred text that must not be modified by any hands other than their own.
>>147154236TV Tropes is fine enough. Just stick to the trope pages avoid the forums and personal user areas. Don't know why a wiki-esque site needs a fucking forum.
>>147154236>it has affected /co/So it has affected you. Got it.
>>147154236>Tv Tropes is one of the most god awful things that shouldn’t have been madeits just a catalogue of repeating story elements, AKA tropes>It has affected /co/ and everywhere else on the net negativelyit only gave people the language to more efficiently convey informationyou would be an idiot to think people havent already recognized half the tropes on tvtropes before the internet existedebert and siskel were already making a list of tropes they had seen several times before tvtropes existed
>>147154236>Tv Tropes is one of the most god awful things that shouldn’t have been made.It's not hard to see its purpose and there isn't really an alternative. I still occasionally use it, out of desperation, frankly, to browse comic, movie, video game, and anime tropes when I'm searching for stuff to check out. Not very useful with western cartoons because there honestly isn't that much, so in most cases you don't really get to choose>It has affected /co/ and everywhere else on the net negativelyI think you're overestimating its influence. Tumblrites just took what's good, turned it into shit, and sane people stopping their contributions was what lead to its demise. No idea where you're getting that it "affected everywhere on the net". When was the last time you heard anything about TV Tropes other than some anon shitting on it? It's just a bunch of autists circlejerking at best
>>147154236The site itself is not a problem conceptually.The problem is the userbase, aka it was made by the most obnoxious kinds of Whedon fanboys.
>>147154522>hey, why do so many movies have short-tempered redheads>let me make a list of that>oh look, this movie I am watching has another angry red head, I can add it to the list/co/ still dredging up the tumblerina meme 10 years later while being so onion-skinned themselves that they get triggered by a glorified catalogue is pathetic
>>147154236https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/PantheonLandmarkshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/CouncilOfShadowshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/MonPartnershipshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Defensehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/TheGreatTreasuryhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/DominionsExpansion
>>147154236https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/SpaceAndCosmoshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/SpiesSecretsAndStealthhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/ProphecyAndFatehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/PowerAndAbilitieshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Othernesshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Plantshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Naturehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Sportshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/UndeadAndPhasmatahttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/CrimeAndTransgressionshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/HealthAndDiseaseshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/MagicAndSorceryhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/MadnessAndInsanityhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Musicalityhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Mentalismhttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/MachineryAndTechnology
>>147154236by virtue of being analytical they become deconstructive too. yes there are noticeable and repeated patterns in fiction. it can be paralysing. in one page I remember it having a passage to the effect of how trope awareness shouldn't make you avoid using them in fiction entirely. my issue is the framing of all concepts in fiction as tropes to be kinda shallow and granular. its more fun to be in the fog of war than to have a name for every little thing you write
They actually have a rule in place that the only person not allowed to edit a tropes page is the creator of the work being discussed. Meaning that if the author goes to view the page dedicated to their own work and sees factually incorrect information (or some idiot's opinion/theory being stated as fact), if they try to update the listing themselves, they will set of a firestorm of rage in the forums and end up getting banned while their corrections get reverted.It's an absolutely hilarious shitshow of entitled autists pretending to know more about a series than the creators themselves.
>>147154236It is woke
>>147154562>by virtue of being analytical they become deconstructive toofunny that you mention that because they literally have a page about thata page that also has aversions to it, ie. a stronger awareness of tropes can lead to a stronger appreciation of them>its more fun to be in the fog of war than to have a name for every little thing you writethats like saying science makes leaf collecting less fun because they already have millions of those cataloguedjust because you have come to accept that "swords are protoganist weapon" does not mean you can stop enjoying that the protagonist has a sword or that you cant enjoy looking up the history of swords and why they are seen as noble
>>147154285>and twitteri swear to god you guys are always following hundreds to thousands of literal whos to find these takes
>>147154537>triggered>patheticYour lingo is very telling of your only purpose here
It's pretty much warped people's minds into being over analytical before they even finish watching something. Everyone wants to think they got one up on whatever it is now by pointing out every trope they see and every action no matter how mundane is now a trope. It's not that tropes don't exist, because they certainly do, but now instead of looking at them in terms of the larger picture, the whole context everyone is reading the ingredients list with zero regard for how they're used.
Test.
>>147154634>getting triggered over languagenot helping your case
>>147154635>cataloguing tropes is badI fail to see how a site thats only meant to show examples of tropes is a bad thing
>>147154236It manages to somehow outshit wikipedia since"source:my xanax induced delusions"is acceptable credentials.
>>147154236TvTropes is like Encyclopedia Dramatica for reddit.
>>147154236Welcome to 20 years ago?
>people shouldn't be allowed to notice patternsreal /co/mblr hours
>>147154236That's just online fandoms in general. The only thing that TVTropes did was centralize all the nonsense in one place, so everybody was shopping around the same pet theories rather than a hundred different forum theories. And before you try to blame TVTropes too much for that, AO3 basically does the exact same thing.I'd say all the fan wikis do as well, but they're so spread out and incomplete that they just can't manage to influence anything. If there was ever a "definitive" fanwiki website, then I guarantee you that it would have exactly the same problems.
>>147154665you can just not click the YMMV page if opinions trigger you so much
Uses of TV Tropes>randomly remembering a scene from a movie or a TV show you've seen once but otherwise don't remember all that well outside of that particular scene>looking for your fetish (getting harder now that they crack down on all the fun pages)
>>147154597they can categorise everything it doesnt make it helpful. what has trope-aware writing brought us? just more ironic, meta, self-aware, deconstructive types of media. ok so if theres a trope that mars has little green men, other writers who were naive and knew about tropes would have accepted it and done something different with it, or avoided the trope. instead we get "yeah im a little green man what are you gonna do about it ;)" >thats like saying science makes leaf collecting less fun because they already have millions of those cataloguedwriting something new and classifying things you see are different. tvtropes traps you and all possible choices under its rubric. heh you wanted a sword protagonist here's 50,000 examples. oh you want to avert or defy that? here's another 50,000 examples. don't think about deconstructing it we've already done that. its systematises creative decisions that I think leads to less creativity
>>147154760>they can categorise everything it doesnt make it helpful.its just meant to be funpeople are naturally good at recognizing patterns, tvtropes is just a place for people to list them down>just more ironic, meta, self-aware, deconstructive types of media.this already existed before tvtropes and most of them would have existed with or without tvtropes>instead we get "yeah im a little green man what are you gonna do about it ;)"stuff that would have existed with or without tvtropestvtropes is just a list of all little green men in fiction, which is an inherently good thing for people who want to know which shows had little green men in it > its systematises creative decisions that I think leads to less creativitywriting down everything you see does not make you more or less creative but it is a lot of fun
>>147154760You are seriously a troglodyte if you think authors used to write with no notion of tropes and that somehow translated into better works.You are just desperate to pin the blame on the concept just because you hate the people who run the site.
>>147154246AAAARGH I AM GOING INSANE
>>147154635>warped people's minds into being over analytical before they even finish watching somethingThe only people who might be like this are genuine autists, and if they care so much about it, then most likely they're already actively contributing to the site, loving to catalogue even the most obscure detail about a thing they love. It's fun, even I can see it and would contribute too if it was run by a more sane crowd, because I've seen a few missing examples with some cool tropes>pointing out every trope they see and every action no matter how mundaneIt's a good thing I think, it covers everyones' likes, even the littlest. What would exponentially make the site better is an advanced search function where you can enter multiple tropes at the same time, that's when the smaller ones would get to shine>the whole context everyone is reading the ingredients list with zero regard for how they're usedYeah, you have a point here. But every example has a description that tells you the reason why it was added to the page at the very least, so it's easier to ignore retarded entries>>147154742>getting harder now that they crack down on all the fun pagesFuck them for that especially. They also remove entire media pages with stuff they don't like. The most recent one I've heard about was some new-ish ecchi magical girl anime
>>147154246Nightmare Fuel pages for cartoons get funnier knowing they're written by fat, middle aged men.
>>147154689Bad comparison. TV Tropes doesn't even cover lolcows.
>>147154810Its always funny to me that they are so against having pages of sexual media but they still keep a page on Saya no Uta.
>>147154664>I fail to see how a site thats only meant to show examples of tropes is a bad thingBecause the definition of what does and does not constitute use of the trope is become looser and looser every day. It's all just a race to get your subject of fanboyism listed in as many places as possible. They even list things as "SUBVERSION" when they don't follow a trope just to get another mention. The site isn't curated by academics or scholars it's literally all just fanboy central. And again, they don't look at works as a whole, they look at works for the tropes. They're training their readers to disassemble their stories rather than looking at combination and execution. Context and execution are ignored in favor of itemization.
>>147154867>Context and execution are ignored in favor of itemization.I'd be surprised if it weren't. General consensus is that it's a site for literal autists.
>>147154861Yeah, there are several pages like that. It's not about a set of guidelines, it's about how much someone in power doesn't like a particular thing, which makes things worse because you never know what might be gone next week on a whim
>>147154867>They're training their readersNigga please, you sound like a soccer mom; the people who are autistic enough to get caught up on tropes were never going to make anything worthwhile to begin with.
>>147154664>>147154867It's also a lack of standards and blatant favoritism. Whoever runs the site or has moderation powers gets full control over what is and is not considered valid, so you could have examples or entire definitions reflect just one person's opinion about something.At least Wikipedia requires external sources for their statements, so if somebody thinks something is true, they need to cite something rather than just pulling it out of their ass. TVTropes doesn't require that, and if you think that Aang was a bottom for Zuko's giant dick, then that's good enough to reference in the ATLA TVTropes section as an example of bottoming.
>>147154505>its just a catalogue of repeating story elements, AKA tropesOne or two instances of something, as they frequently list, isn't really a trope though.
That's basically all it boils down to. The mods desperately want the site to be seen as a legitimate archive of criticisms and literary deconstructions, but in reality it's just a cesspool of misguided and biased opinions. It's an Olympic-sized bowl of pretentious word soup masquerading as an academic resource.
>>147154236Needs to add more to its unsettling gender reveal section I need more masturbation material
I have only been to tv tropes once. I see no reason to discuss or acknowledge its existence.
>>147155084Once is one time too many.
OP here, so I gotta checked out how it went while sleeping from crippling GAD and Autism, and I gotta say this is pretty good stuff.I mean I have to point out the only issue that’s brought up is Deconstruction, which I find to be a crappy use of the word which is more like a inter perspective dive into the meaning of text and ideas.Really I also could point out all of this stuff being made by other autists who I hate a lot and sad pathetic middle aged adults with nothing better to do other than type away like a mindless idiot.Really I could criticize how they really do make everything a trope, and really I wish it shouldn’t be. I’m not really sure anymore
>Checking the Eaten Alive/Swallowed Whole page
It used to be really cool. Lost most of what made it fun to read in the early 10's, though. Before then it had actual discourse, even if it wasn't very informed discourse, you know? Like, you got peoples perspectives.
>>147154236Why is "people sit on chairs" not a trope?
I remember when /co/ and other boards would have TVTropes threads and people would talk about how they loved reading it and would spend hours and hours browsing the site, 10+ years ago. Now everyone acts as if TVTropes was always bad and hated.
>>147154236TV Tropes isn't the problem. The problem is that far too many creators or writers internalised the "nitpicky Youtuber" and got paranoid about specific tropes which lead to some of the poor media we have now. Some tropes are clearly creative shortcuts, necessary or needed. You simply can't do something wholly original and have limited time or space. E.g. we don't need every thing to be an ensemble cast with every side character or villain having depth or a thing, especially when that turns the main character into a side character. And often when they worry about one set of tropes they blunder into others. But again, this is because of YouTubers more than anything. YouTubers have painfully selective suspension of disbelief and will complain about one thing being unrealistic, for example, whilst ignoring everything else that is.
>>147154236TV tropes has a better method of presenting history than Wikipedia. compare this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheChancellorsOfGermanywith thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chancellors_of_Germany
>>147156279and where is the IceCreamIsNice page
We need a more authentic, personal style of experiencing media. And art that is actually worthy to engage with.
>>147156850>We need a more authentic, personal style of experiencing media. And art that is actually worthy to engage with.Do you not ever think the problem isn't that there is no worthy art but that finding it is impossible? When someone went to the cinema several decades ago it was, this movie playing vs that movie. Now it's:>Should I watch a movie?>Or stream?>Or game?>Or watch YouTube?>Or listen to a podcast?>Or browse social media for several hours whilst shit plays in the background. (Probably this one.)>Several hundred suggestions later, maybe read something. It is impossible to filter anything out now because content is constantly being created causing choice paralysis whilst contradictorily at the same time with so many companies and people chasing success their content feels the same. When I actually find good content and want to talk about it, either no one has experienced that content or people want to shit on it instantly. Media just feels like a personal thing now. The only stuff people talk about is some random Netflix viral hit and that's about it. I understand it's a vicious cycle where much mainstream content is shit so people are closed off but when people are so closed off they never try anything new or put any effort into exploring content that is a problem in and of itself too. And most of the complainers are only ever dissecting the same thing slither of mainstream pop culture and won't dare to look at anything else.
>>147154246I was planning to sleep tonight, asshole.
>>147154236The site lost its magic after it banned Troper Tales autism.
>>147154742That's the one thing I dislike about them. How are you going to be a catalog site of all sorts of shows, comics, books, etc. and then snipe shit that doesn't align with your personal sensibilities of modesty?
>>147154236Can we talk about the complete monster thread? It was a shit show of arbitrary self-righteous moral relativist hypocrisy, so autistic they had to shut it down twice
Half the "tropes" are made-up shithttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuryYourGays
>>147156301I mean to me it is bad, let’s be honest. I find it just a repetitive reduction of stories and whatever else you can do for trope making.>>147157196Don’t forget what >>147156061 said, everything’s a fetish or some weird shit
>>147157196This is my problem with the modern conversations about media literacy. Plenty of people are fine with death of the author when it suits them. (Death of the author is the idea that audience perceptions matter just as much as authorial intent, and author intent shouldn't always take precedent.)Sam is gay with Frodo and Lord of the Rings has homosexual undertones despite JRR Tolkien explicitly denying that? Oh that's okay. But someone enjoying Starship Troopers movie as a fun action movie? That is not okay as the director intended it as a satire of fascism. People pick and choose all the time just to pretend to have intellectual superiority over people.
>>147154404/thread
Am I crazy or was there a time where borderline every trope linked to Mahou Sensei Negima for some reason?
I liked TV Tropes. I understand that when you're an autist you have an instinct to hate other autists who are slightly less self-aware than you but you can just ignore it.
>>147154246Fucking hell anon, this is a blue board.
>>147154285>There is something so fucking funny and a major why I can’t respect these folks.but they all agreed it wasn't scary and got rid of it
>>147154562>its more fun to be in the fog of war than to have a name for every little thing you writeAt the same time, you should have an understanding of what the common storytelling elements are are. So you know what has come before rather than thinking you have invented the wheel all by yourself, but also so you can better understand what works and what doesn't and why. A story element can be good in a vacuum but out of place in a specific story to the detriment of the whole, and learning about the failures and successes of others is the best way to recognize that in your own work.Being able to break down tropes and name them so that you can discuss them with others with a common understanding of what you are talking about in specific rather than having to gesture vaguely at a story and say "You know, like that" is not a bad thing. TvTropes, the site, is fine and its function is a good thing to exist. TvTropes the COMMUNITY, on the other hand, is awful and the way that nerds on the internet have tried to use it as a 'gotcha' makes it worse.
>>147156100>Lost most of what made it fun to read in the early 10's, though. Before then it had actual discourse, even if it wasn't very informed discourse, you know? Like, you got peoples perspectives.I feel like the same could be said of most of the internet, 4chan included. The late 00s - early 2010s was sort of the high point of interesting online communities and discussions and collaborations. There is a reason that was when 4chan was at its biggest and most influential, when memes were at their strongest, when collaborative creative works formed organically online like fan wikis and group made games and such. These days the internet has fractured, instead of a handful of public forums of wider discussion you have 10 million private chats that are little gatekept communities that don't interact with each other. And when things do break containment of these small communities, they are completely alien to anyone outside of their echo chamber. Like memes that depend on you already being familiar with a specific twitch streamer and their antics. Stuff like that can never blow up to be internet phenomenons in the same way as the memes of eld.
>>147158610It's the modern Internet's fault I can't get friends on the Internet anymore then?
>>147154491>avoid the forums and personal user areasWhy?
>>147154236And yet we'll go there and lose hours reading pages.
>>147154236There's something ironic about seeing stupid people shit talk tropes because they don't understand how art works, and seeing you shit talk talk tvtropes because you don't understand how stupid people work.If they didn't get it from there, they'd get it from somewhere else.also tvtropes is an incredibly dated boogeyman. I guess be thankful you don't recognize the tiktok sources and "video essays" providing thoughts for thoughtless minds these days
>>147154404>But enough about /co/ - comics & cartoons.
>>147154236There was a time when it was a pretty alright place. Back when it was just a bunch of autists getting together to fill their autistic need to catalog things.
>>147154664Because what was initially just a fun little site to say "this character embodies the trope of x character archetype" has become "let's see if we can cram fifty tropes into one scene" as well as the obnoxious critical edge that permeates much of the entries. It's one thing to say this or that is a trope, it's a whole other to identify it AND go "too bad the creator is a massive racist douche"Because that shit doesn't have fuck all to do with identifying the tropes of a work.
>>147156301That was back when this site for autistic weirdos had more autistic weirdos than normalfags who want to larp as autistic weirdos though.
>>147157036Who knows. It's not like malegaze or hartmanhips were all that explicit to begin with. They just literally listed things like moments the camera lingers on a butt or if a chick had a curvy figure. Can't imagine anybody but the most fucking desperate to be use tvtropes to jerk off
>>147158684Not him, but those areas are where the worst of the autism is, doesn't help that some of that spills over into the WMG and headscratcher sections too.It's made worse because early on, they actively discouraged people from talking about things like personal opinions and instead to frame them like opinions and concerns noticed by loads of people. Now, you'll see full on debates which, while not full of vitriol, still have that "no, I'm getting the last word because I'M right, not you!"
>>147158819/co/ will always be superior because here I'm allowed to mock autistic faggots without getting instajannied by an even more autistic faggot. A large part of why Tvtropes is so garbage is that they refuse to allow anyone to be openly negative towards something or someone that's not on their approved targets list.
>>147154246AAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME PBS KIDS
>>147154635That's only if you were already an overanalytical person who can't just turn his brain off.
I think the funny thing is the YMMV page is specifically for differing opinions, but sometimes you'll get that one guy who will remove someone's entry simply because he doesn't agree with it.
I used to watch Horrid Henry back in 2006.All of this is a lie.
>>147159054Makes me think of how people say that shit about Double D in Ed Edd and Eddy. Yes, they've made jokes about him acting a bit flamboyant, but it can just as fucking easily be the fact that Double D is just a sensitive boy, even more so than Ed tends to be.
>>147158994I still remember when someone in the Pizza tower YMMV was pushing for the idea that Peppino was trans because people that liked Celeste also liked Pizza Tower.
>tv tropes
>>147158968>"actively discouraged people from talking about things like personal opinions and instead to frame them like opinions and concerns noticed by loads of people."THIS. This is the biggest aspect that pisses me off about TVTropes as a whole. Every single page on there is guaranteed to have at least one trope that includes the phrase "the audience noticed/was upset about" when referring to a minor gripe, when it's really just the editor venting their own shitty opinion and framing it as if it were a widespread complaint. The fact that they are actively encouraged to do so by the site mods is such absolute bullshit.Like the entire site is so desperate to be taken seriously as a legitimate source of criticism, but they destroy any credibility they might have earned by pulling shit like that. Nothing of value will ever come from TVTropes, aside from potentially becoming a source of scientific research into the effects of widespread autism in a herd mentality.
>>147154236I don't hate the idea of the site. I just hate the autismos it spawned that think if something has a trope in it, it's suddenly terrible.
>>147159184Bet you whoever wrote that is the same kind of twittard who will shit on a porn artist for being obsessed with sex, meanwhile projecting their own creepy inclinations into a completely friendly relationship between a young man and his neighbor.
>>147159184>strangerShe's his neighbour. SHE followed him around and gave him no choice in the matter. And her mom most likely knows he's a harmless idiot.
>>147154236What are some fanfiction you are suprised to learn have a TV Tropes page?
>>147159054>"A platonic male friendship in a children's show?!">""MUST. APPLY. QUEER THEORY."Why are they like this?
Broken Aesop is fine, I guess. You know, as long as the cartoon actually HAS an intended message it fucks up.
>>147159328>>147159370Not to mention one of the earliest jokes Johnny makes while interacting with her is literally "come back when you're 18 and in college"How anybody assumes a grown up hanging with a kid must be sexual is just fucked up. Nobody thought Doc Brown was piping down Marty in Back to the Future, after all. Nobody with a functional brain at least.
>They shut down the complete monster page AGAINIt's one of the most interesting pages and yet they keep kneecapping it, are the jannies that fucking lazy.
>>147159526Just go to the pure evil wiki.
>>147154742Someone should make a TV Tropes for fetishes
>>147159537>Fetish Tropes
>>147159526What reason would they do that for? I can get the fanservicey ones because "muh objectifying women bad" argument, but what the actual fuck is wrong with a page detailing irredeemable villains?
>>147159537TV tropes but exclusively for porn/hentai/eroge when
>>147159589Deep tropes
>>147159611>What reason would they do that for?TLDR: Mods are getting pissy about having to do their jobs and moderate the threads since it's one of the most active ones in the site, also some retardation about wanting the users to do more than just edit that one trope.Yes, seriously.>>147159535I don't like fandom wikis
>>147158406That it got posted at all is pretty bad
>>147159656So... they don't want to deal with a page that already gets taken care by people submitting entries? Christ, what's to stop them from just nixing the entire fucking site once enough tropes have a gazillion entries?Also, not to nitpick, but wouldn't tvtropes already be considered something of a fandom wiki, just without the dedication to one series?
>>147158969They have a policy against "complaining" now. Heh, it used to be that they touted themselves as an alternative to Wikipedia so you didn't have to be neutral.
>>147159711I think anon mean fandom as in wikia before a rebrand
>>147159775Still, I would think both are kinda the same since both wikias and tvtropes just compile info that would otherwise be untapped by a wikipedia. Though I can at least see the fan wikis having some use when it comes to gathering reference images, at least when they aren't using that retarded webp shit
>>147159711I don't get it either, it's something about the "health" of the threads and being "intimidating" to new users because they are told to just lurk moar and not submit shit like a tard.>ut wouldn't tvtropes already be considered something of a fandom wiki, just without the dedication to one series?Not that, fandom is what wikia goes by now, wikis made with them tend to suck with navigation and have a lot of awful bloat.one of the few good things tv tropes has done is not switch to it, tropedia is a good example of how bad it can go.
>>147159830Far as I've seen, it really seems to depend on the wiki when it comes to bloat and navigation issues. Some will run pretty smoothly, and then others will shit the bed just by loading into the site for the first time for god knows whatever reason. Which is definitely a shame, since there are some pretty nice and informative wikis out there with fans who keep the details nice and succinct while making separate pages for the lengthy biographies of characters, as well as supplying tons of useful images.
>>147159184It's an innocent cartoon. JFC.
>>147160019But don't you know, anon? If you hang around a child who isn't biologically yours, you must want to have sex with them. What's that, you're just neighbors? Pishbah, you're just deflecting you creep!Jokes aside, it really is mind-boggling to think someone wrote that with a complete serious face. While I guess there is a chance it could be a troll post, the fact that the moderators would then keep it is as troubling as it being a legitimate concern.
>TVTropes editors/mods view their writings as "sacred" and get infuriated any time someone else tries to edit any article they've written.>Will then ignore and mock any artist who asks them not to discuss their work, because "once something has been published online, it is no longer under your control". They have an entire trope dedicated just to this purpose and cataloging each time it happens.Some next-level hypocrisy.
>>147154576>the only person not allowed to edit a tropes page is the creator of the workHow often does that actually happen?Ignoring pages for fanfic works, of course.
>>147154283Actually the bad part is when some autist basically takes control of a page and essentially uses it to push his own view of a show as if it's inseperable rom the show itself or how everyone who watches the show thinks. Same problem other wikis (including Wikipedia) have.
>>147160209>Same problem other wikis (including Wikipedia) have.It's not like older forums didn't have personal biases attached to them but when it's someone's own webspace or fansite then it's a bit more easy to accept or at least justify that their site is theirs. Wikis are, as much as anything can be, essentially official so having one fan speak for the whole audience is especially galling. Looking at you Transformers wiki. And you're not far behind Star Wars
>>147159330Some Naruto fanfiction had a page clearly written by the author because it described shit that wound up never happening, like his daughter losing faith in him as a parent.
>>147159330Any of it? I think it's absurd to accept or acknowledge fan content at all.
It's the spread of misinformation that generally annoys me. You do see a lot of youtube people try to use it as an actual source of their content. And that combined with a fresh college degree and need to flex off what little information you do know ends up in people claiming to be experts and passing off "trope information" as absolute fact.
>>147160209>Same problem other wikis (including Wikipedia) have.This reminds me of my brief time on Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki. There is a page for "Breast" that used to feature the ONLY canon nude picture in Star Wars of a Twi'lek as its main photo. It came from an official book by commissioned artists approved by Lucas/Lucasfilm. (Picture related is the photo in question, you can see one nipple which I blurred out; I blurred out the crotch area but you can't see anything but I thought I would be safe rather than sorry on a blue board.) The people on the Wiki got into a HUGE autistic conversation about it as it being the biggest "stain on the site". This spanned a while and most of the comments got deleted.>Why do we need a page for random anatomy???>Well one race in Star Wars seen in Return of the Jedi has multiple breasts and there are numerous pages already about different bits of anatomy, so what does it matter?>It is sexist, it is pornography, it is ruining EVERYTHING!Out of almost spite they changed the photo to topless Kylo Ren from TLJ with topless Anakin on the Legends page.
>>147160195Often enough that they have an entire category dedicated to it, called "Auto-Erotic Troping." It pops up in the forums all the time, usually from someone complaining whenever an author tries to edit the page for their own work, even if just to clarify points or correct errors.
>>147160381>every single trope links back to a Harry Potter MCU crossover fanfiction
>>147160425Considering "death of the author" is a popular trope, that doesn't surprise me too much. People for whatever reason are too goddamned stubborn when it comes to "muh personal interpretation" that seeing the still living authors come in and say "well actually, this means that, and that means this" is probably as triggering as Sonic's arms being miscolored to Chris-chan level autists.
>>147159656>also some retardation about wanting the users to do more than just edit that one trope.It is kind of amazing that there are users who have spent years contributing to literally nothing else on the site BUT that thread/trope.
>>147160887"Death of the author" is just what retards use to justify their own idiocy and failure to understand the English assignment. You can find and twist any information to justify your viewpoints if you look hard enough.
>>147160419>The people on the Wiki got into a HUGE autistic conversation about it as it being the biggest "stain on the site"Ironic
>>147160920I know, but considering they're actively trying to prevent authors from providing correct and factual info feels like they're taking that trope to the logical extreme, or rather the illogical extreme since they're being very anti-truth with the pushback on the greatest authorities for certain content
>>147160419Of course it's the ST faggots who are pitching a fit.
>>147160134The retard who wrote that shit is probably a pedophile himself, no person sane in the head would have such thoughts
>>147154404So it's like here?
>>147161231No, we can actually tell each other off when someone's acting like a cunt. You cunt.
>>147161217Yea, as much as people love to troll and say fucked up shit, the way that entry is written feels too sincere to be a trolling.
>>147156305>nitpicky YoutuberYoutuber commentary has been disasterous for society as a whole. The average commentary Youtuber probably has more sway that TV Tropes
>>147161124Yup. I've seen threads on the forum where the author of a work shows up simply to make corrections, is basically told "YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER *OUR* WORDS ABOUT *YOUR* WORK ON *OUR* SITE", and ends up getting banned from making any further edits to their own page. Incredible how they can insist their shitty opinions are more accurate than the actual author of the work itself. They're delusional.
>>147159830Bro complete monster was cancer, they would politisperg if you mention JK rowling or sound of freedom, the seniors bent rules to get in villains who clearly had positive qualities, its cultists got very snarky if you pointed out it was a contradictory circle-jerk with incoherent hypocritical rules that made it more of a game than actually judging who is 100% completely evil
>>147154742For a while it was alright for finding things that have particular story elements that you tend to enjoy, like if you enjoyed stories about cycles of revenge or enjoyed coming of age type stories you could use it to find things that autists have cataloged for you already. Though now they have a core group of faggots who will purge any random works because they think are offensive or whatever other faggy reasoning they may come up with so it makes it less useful for jumping between "story you like" "thing in the story" and "story you haven't watched/read/played yet".
>>147159830I will always respect the fanbases that have their wikis not associated with fandom (Jojo, most of Nintendo, the New Minecraft wiki, etc.).
The autism of TV Tropes and wikis in general is almost always linked to the tranny discord mod type sensibility. In the past you might have pure tyrannical mods banning people who insulted their view or whatever but now you have so many people with puritanical ideologies ruling over their systems like a fiefdom. It is almost always about hierarchies and feeling more intelligent than someone. Criticising media has become like that.
>>147161383That just burns my ass. I can get people wanting to have personal interpretations, that's something everyone is entitled to. But there's a difference between "I view the work as being allegorical for such and such" and "nooooooo, you author person man can't tell us that we're wrong even though you literally wrote it and thereby know the true intent!"It would be like if a modder insisted that they're mod was the superior way to play a game. Sure, it might be a fun and different way, but if it goes against what the developers intended, then it's technically wrong, even if it is fun to play.
>>147161487>JK rowlingWhile I'm hardly going to white knight for the woman, it's ridiculous that they demonized her despite never saying anything remotely wrong or hurtful. No, she just stated her own opinion about a serious topic, and you'd think the woman had just murdered someone and defecated on their corpse.
>>147161749JK Rowling began with a big statement talking about her own abuse and abuse against women. But over the years she got more wild on the subject, to the point of denying the Nazis targeted early trans/sex research. The vast majority of people don't care enough or simply haven't heard anything about her. In the grand scheme of things 90% of what she is saying is stuff the majority of people agree with on sex based topics. But occasionally she does like or post something that is weird. But there are far worst commentators. The hatred for her is most because:>They all liked her and feel betrayed.>It is easier to target a woman than a man and most of these trans types are also misogynistic incels.
>>147161704I'll even still contest that if people are getting a different vibe from what the author meant then it could be the author for not saying it clearly. They're not above reproach. But to actually argue with them is astounding.
>>147161749The JK situation is especially hilarious because it wasn't really that long ago where everyone was treating her like a saint for making Dumbledor gay.
>>147161826I mean, arguing is one thing, discourse is something that I'm sure a lot of authors welcome. The issue here is the authors are trying to help by providing the most accurate info that could ever be sourced, and the tropers are effectively spitting in their faces and saying "Fuck you, you're wrong!" without any room for discussion.
>>147161793>denying the Nazis targeted early trans/sex researchWere trannies even a thing back then? I know drag has been around for ages, but that's not necessarily the same thing. Or is this something like the claims of trans being a thing since ancient Greece or whatever?
>>147161881>Were trannies even a thing back then?>Lili Ilse Elvenes (28 December 1882 – 13 September 1931), better known as Lili Elbe, was a Danish painter, transgender woman, and one of the earliest recipients of gender-affirming surgery (then called sex reassignment surgery).[1][2]>In 1931, Elbe returned for her fourth surgery, to transplant a uterus and construct a vaginal canal.[8][40][7] This made her one of the earliest transgender women to undergo a vaginoplasty surgery, a few weeks after Erwin Gohrbandt performed the experimental procedure on Dora Richter.[33]Yes.
>>147161850Christ, it seemed like every other day she was dropping some "secret lore" with that shit>Oh these two girls who barely appeared in the books or movies? They're super duper gay and they skinned another girl alive for being bigotedWhich made the whole Hogwarts Legacy thing especially funny since that game seems to occupy this weird state where it's seen as overly woke, but also anti-woke, depending on where the game is discussed.
>>147154246What cartoon is that? Also context please?
>>147162239Some PBS cartoon, in the Nightmare fuel page this image appears with the comment "And yes, THIS was aired in PBS Kids on TV" or something like that. People make fun of it because its pretty stupid.
>>147162276it got deleted 6 years ago
>>147162276I WANT to think whomever did it was doing it to be funny but given the rest of the way the sight is run, I don't think I can bring myself to believe that no matter how much I wish I could. I've seen a lot of people online openly speak about a lot of stupid stuff. Any time there's a "misinterpreted sprite" thread on one of the vidya boards I for the life of me can't wrap my head around what they're saying.
>>147161850>was treating her like a saint for making Dumbledor gay.I don't think this is entirely true. People did feel it was very shoe horned in. She was just the right side of liberal douche who seemed very forthright and said the right things on Twitter that usually amounted to, compare real life situation or racism to Voldemort. She was the bland neoliberal and the epitome of the cool Brittania/New Labour period.>>147162228>to occupy this weird state where it's seen as overly woke, but also anti-woke, depending on where the game is discussed.That's because it is literally both. One of the main villains is voiced by an actor who shares her trans views and supported Johnny Depp. Meanwhile the main pub in Hogsmeade is ran by a trans witch and you literally have to go on a quest in a cave to find her old stuff where it talks in in-game notes about her transitioning and what the people thought/how they supported her.
An interaction that lives on in my memory was discussing pic related on there once. To clarify, this game has multiple endings, and in one of them, the main character is revealed to be a de-aged version of an alchemist he meets and helps out through the course of the story. For whatever reason, some idiot on the site thinks that ending was an isolated event, and that the main character is only the alchemist in certain endings, which makes zero sense. Their reason stems from one of the critical choices letting you tell this one girl she may or may not be an ancestor to the MC, except all this does is affect whether or not you find out that the girl is in fact from the present day and was swapped with another girl. While the discussion never got out of hand, I recall having to give up trying to convince the guy because they just wouldn't accept that while each ending happens separately in the "timeline" of each play through, several of them are still revealing critical plot info, like the retarded 16th century kid who accidentally turns his mom into a ghost
>>147162276Lmao thanks for the reply Anon.
>>147162308Honestly the most annoying part for me was when they locked the History tab to require users to register since it was a good way to see how a page evolved.
>>147154742>>looking for your fetish (getting harder now that they crack down on all the fun pages)This is becoming a problem yeah. They delete tropes and pages for the most bizarre of reasons. Then when you rush to the forums to see why the fuck they did that, all you get is "Sorry you're too late".
>>147162326That's what made it so hilarious, the game was pandering in so many ways, but because the developer wouldn't denounce JK Rowling even though they didn't need to since she had no involvement with the game beyond getting royalties since she's the IP owner. It was glorious seeing the twitterati going ape shit over the game when at the end of the day, it was a pretty meh third-person action adventure, not some threat to the trannies or a dog whistle to the alt-right
>>147158936I figure they're going to get rid of male gaze next. Deleting Hartman Hips was basically a public declaration that they don't actually care about whether or not a trope has a million examples, they'll delete anything that ends up on the trope repair shop.
>>147162344That game is neat. I like seeing it pop up. You're aces.
>>147159537The kink stuff moved to all the tropes and tropedia
>>147158968Yeah but it never stops being funny to see people beg and scrape before the mods to let them post again
>>147162405I thought male gaze was gone already. Could have sworn someone said it was in a previous thread about the site. Then again, I have heard that they've apparently removed male gaze in the past, only to restore it later on. Which is kind of weird, but I guess if the site is schizo enough to chase off the legal owners of a body of work, inconsistency is bound to happen
>>147162390It sold very well for WB in a year filled with mostly crap. Which shows you how little people truly care about the JK shit. On the whole it was a fucking weak game and not worth any controversy.
>>147162497It's always important to remember that just because there's a loud outcry online doesn't mean that's what most of the audience cares about. Most people who care about something aren't online 24/7 making it their lives. And especially when there's a controversy involved they're probably not even aware. Silent majority.
>>147162486>pushovermediacriticThis feels like a troll having such an ironic name. But considering the kind of insane shit you hear on social media, it's honestly feels near impossible to tell where the line is anymore
>>147162486There is something so fucking wrong with humans atp
>>147162496God, you can really tell trannies and sex hating puritans are the ones running the show now. "Male Gaze" has always been such a stupid buzzword. God forbid a guy wants to look at a woman's tits or something, how awful. Figures that it's one of the last kink tropes left.
>>147162471>tropediaThe Fandom staff actually got so sick of all the TVT rip-offs made by pissed-off ex-Tropers that they just redirected and crammed them into this one Wiki.
>>147162497Yea, I played it for a while and had a bit of fun, but if they plan on making more like it, they gotta have more going for it then a bajillion clothing options. Just so wild how heated these people get. But not surprising, I read how two indie games didn't have gay marriage, and the usual suspects shat their adult diapers because it's somehow genociding the fags if same-sex marriage isn't in the game.>>147162527It probably was partly what helped the game get some sales, if only because there were probably some people who went out and bought it just to spite the activists, since their type don't actually support the things that they do approve of, as seen with that hilarious disaster of a turd that was Concord.
>>147162550And of course the opposite is perfectly fine. Buff dad hot bods all around so these people can hoot and holler.
>>147154236I spent like ONE night going through that site over a decade ago. It was an amusing way to spend an evening. I haven't felt the need to return.It blows my mind that people can get angry about a site they could just ignore. It's not like Twitter or something with a large off-site presence.
>>147162586Boycotts sure as easy when you had no intention of buying something to start with.
I got my editing privileges suspended for a long time because I refused to capitulate to their mods on correcting my editing habits.I capitulated eventually.
>>147162550It works well enough as a name for things like camera shots that linger on tits and ass, but all the same, them getting up in arms about it is ever more stupid because they're acting like they're champions of justice by going >take that, trope! Now nobody will know if this game or movie has fanservice, even though it's still in the actual media and we're just removing our list!Like many have pointed out, their constant pruning of tropes just feels like narcissistic crusading.
>>147162620>It's not like Twitter or something with a large off-site presence.It does have an offsite presence though. People link back to it like it's an actual credible source all the time. I don't know how you could have missed it.
>>147162442Yea, I loved it when I came across in Blockbuster way back in the day. Would kill to see it get a remake since it definitely hasn't aged nearly as well as other Konami titles.
>>147162650It totally is. They're just fucking bored at this point, ruining what was once a perfectly functional website. People say to avoid the forums, but they keep bringing forum bullshit into the articles.
>>147162639Next time I get banned, I'm just going to spam "faggot" all over the site. If nothing else, I'll just do it for the spite.
>>147157196Link extremely unrelated.
>>147162669Yeah, it was pretty unique and I liked looking over every nook and cranny. Loved how the city changed it's filter depending on the time.>Would kill to see it get a remakeUhg no. It's janky but I'd rather keep it jank and all. They redubbed it for the PSP release and that was bad enough.
>>147162620A lot of the hatred for the site is mainly concerns about the inconsistent way they run things. On the surface, many tropes are harmless and used more or less as one would imagine, but then as people have pointed out in posts like >>147159184, you get some truly unhinged uses that feel like trolling but are genuinely sincere.
>>147162699You need to be at least 18 to post here
>>147162705Sometimes I feel sorry for the mods because they're essentially babysitting a bunch of mentally ill manchildren who refuse to leave the site and go torment someone else.
>>147162704If they did like that upcoming MGS3 remake, I wouldn't quite mind, just updating the graphics while keeping the original dub. While I agree the PSP port was pretty lacking, especially since the new VAs just did generic anime voices, I feel lilke the game could benefit from a remake that was able to fix the weaker aspects like the long load times and some of the more annoying interface issues. Obviously there's no point in getting hopes up on such a thing, but it would be fun to see the game get some recognition despite not being a golden goose for Konami like Silent Hill or Metal Gear Solid.
>>147162586>Yea, I played it for a while and had a bit of funThat game was very peak "lets load the first couple hours with stuff to do and then 2 hours in fall off". The early classes you had moments like "do a prank with another student or not" and then later classes were fucking cutscene montages.. that game was a bait and switch and half.>It probably was partly what helped the game get some sales, if only because there were probably some people who went out and bought it just to spite the activistsI actually don't think that moves the dial that much. The idea these controversies = sales is something I have lost faith in. A lot of hyped up games such as Stellar Blade being anti-woke didn't translate into massive sales.>>147162527Of course, the elections and polling during elections is a prime example of this effect.
>>147162948>A lot of hyped up games such as Stellar Blade being anti-woke didn't translate into massive sales.Stellar blade sold a ton for a new IP
>>147163007And and exclusive
>>147162948It's a shame since it felt close to what I would have wanted of a modern take on what we had in the Order of the Phoenix game back on the PS2. Exploring the castle, finding secrets, all that good shit. And while it was fun getting to go well beyond the school, it was definitely bogged down by too much loot stuff. Which could have at least been mitigated with more worthwhile stat boosts, since it did ultimately just boil down to buy the latest and best gear, sell the rest, then use the cosmetic options to tweak the gay looking shit to look more presentable
>>147163007>>147163056I'm not saying it didn't sell. What I am saying is that a lot of people massively overhyped how much it would. They built it into a pinnacle of gamers resistance. See what I mean.>>147163058The castle had like.. three secrets? A bridge puzzle, a key for a place near the headmasters and a clocktower puzzle... meanwhile we got a big empty world with plenty of camps to clear. Also a lot of people wanted a Persona style system or school simulator. The "friends" you got were fucking pointless and the storylines? The Slytherin you can about justify but the rest. Fucking retarded. Loot, open world, bullshit.
>>147154236It was interesting in 2011, but it just lasted longer than anyone thought and they kept adding more entries, and listing tropes that only exist in like 1-2 things at all.
>>147163152>What I am saying is that a lot of people massively overhyped how much it would. They built it into a pinnacle of gamers resistance. See what I mean.Well yes, but at this point, you really have to ignore both sides of this particular war. People scream woke for just about anything now or any time a woman even so much does anything. /v/ was screaming about Ghost of Yotei before we even know anything about it. It's all just a shouting contest with the truth being simply teh truth.
>>147163152Pretty sure it had more than that, but the issue was that the bulk of these "secrets" boiled down to glorified loot box challenges. What could have been ways to gain new and rare spells or at least gear that could push your powers to near limits, it was just "here's a hat or robe that barely raises your stats, and will be rendered outdated because the loot you'll find on the next main quest mission will be better anyway"Not sure if a Persona style setup would work for a Harry Potter game, but I can definitely get that they wasted the potential of the friends
>>147163239yea, it's weird that we're at a point where any presence of a female character somehow makes something woke. While I'm being cautious about Yotei since the team is apparently all new, I know better than to chimp out over something like a female lead
>>147163266I think we should all call out shit when it happens. But you need to at least let them to do something stupid first. "AssCreed: We Wuz Samuraiz" okay there's a lot to talk about there. Ghost of Yotei? Just a teaser where nothing is said, and I for one would very much like to play Tsukikage Ran the game if given the chance.
>>147163246>Pretty sure it had more than thatIt didn't. In Legacy it only had three unlockable secrets. Yes there were other stuff to do, pages and collectibles, but only three main secrets in the game.https://www.ign.com/wikis/hogwarts-legacy/All_Hogwarts_Secrets_Solutions>There are three Hogwarts SecretsThey had them listed in the in game book you fill. The castle was boring because of this. Seriously I saw it when I started the game and looked in the menu 0/3. >Not sure if a Persona style setup would work for a Harry Potter gameYou need to balance actual dialogue or characters, that's what people want. That is what so much of the online stuff has been about. The combat was fine but got boring after a while and there was nothing else in the game really.>but I can definitely get that they wasted the potential of the friendsI mean look at the plot, at the end fight the teachers appear to help and it is meant to be some big thing but actually in game you had a couple of classes and no moments with them. If you wanted some teacher backstory you'd have to talk to them after class and all they'd do is talk their story at you. They couldn't even get the story beat of "people you befriended all game come to help" because you didn't do anything with these people..>>147163239>but at this point, you really have to ignore both sides of this particular warOh I do. My point was just referring to the idea that controversy = sales. I just don't think they do anymore. I think stuff mostly sells for rather basic reasons these days. For as much hype as the culture war is online, a lot of people, while influenced by it subconsciously, might not be as dominated by it as people think and just do things for the same reasons.
>>147163344True. And from what I've read of the Ass Creed situation, the main issue is that Japan has been very clear on their historical documentation of the dude called Yusuke, and yet the usual faggots had to go and chimp out at Japan as if they were said "no niggerus in our gamus!' when all that was said is "hey, the dude wasn't a samurai" and of course the crazies just ignored that for their "narrative" reasons.
>>147154236I thought it was more of a collective of medium function autists that for some reason NEED to spend hours and hours of their days neatly categorizing things into very specific little piles. Damn place was an Autistic magnet unlike any ever seen before. If anything it was an exceptional teach tool for Autistic Behaviors.
>>147163352That's why I hope if they do make a sequel, which I've heard might be happening, that they can figure out a better system for rewarding exploration. Doesn't even need to be anything too in-depth, just have meaningful finds like actual good gear or resources. Tears of the Kingdom and Dragon's Dogma 2 got me really big into cave exploration, so if they just made fun caves to explore along with castles and keeps that weren't just needlessly long loot box unlocks, that would be great. Can only wonder if the writers were too worried about the canon to make the player character have more impact on things. Which I could kind of understand, but not like it would have mattered much since this was before any of the book cast were even at Hogwarts, though I guess some people out there would love to see a game where young Dumbledore was able to be befriended
>>147163418Why they even felt the need to push for him of all figures in Japanese history too. When we could be focusing on some other more prominent and important figure, It raises an eyebrow is all I'm saying. Nioh gets away with a lot because they're not selling themselves as being especially historical. And while Tsushima was based on a real event the Sakai clan was made up. And named after the Usagi Yojimbo guy. I mean I suppose it IS possible they could be counting on Yasuke's lack of information to be more flexible with the story. If I were being generous I could say I could even see how seeing him adapt to another culture Shogun style would be interesting. It's not like there's nothing to work with. It's just that I don't trust them and they've given me no reason to.
>>147163508From what I've read, it seems like the usual pandering stuff, which is just insulting to the people they're trying to pamper with this act. I imagine most black people don't care what the true story of Yusuke is, they would just want him to be depicted as an entertaining character. But we're in an age where any black character is treated like some big thing despite numerous games having black men and women in them. Haven't kept up as much about the female character in the game, since I think most of the issues is on Yusuke. But I can see some people being worried about her possibly upstaging Yusuke since that tends to be a concern when the whole issue of female characters comes up in games. Long as whatever her name is and that of the Yotei MC aren't pulling any "we're totes better than da mens!", I'm not going to lose sleep over the matter.
>>147163614It's insane actually. The only information that really exists about the dude are a few anecdotes where he was treated terribly and basically like a pet for Nobunaga to troll people with. Oh. And also he was a "vassal" of NOBUNAGA "SIXTH DEMON KING OF HELL! ODA. So even if we dress up how much of a samurai he was, he was a vassal of basically the worst guy out of a bunch of already kind of awful guys. Can't wait for the mission where we have to massacre a bunch of monks.
>>147163508>>147163418Ass Creed games are just ass at this point, shitty open worlds with samey content. I have no reason why anyone even cares. People have wanted an Ass Creed game in Japan for years and they only seemed to break glass in case of emergency to release it. But Ubisoft are on the ropes here. The Ass Credd overarching plot at this point is well, ass. I don't see why we don't just get more historical open world games in general.
>>147163650Yea, can only wonder how they're gonna portray Nobunaga. Anime and Japanese games like Onimusha at least try to have fun with him, but Ubisoft is either going to make him a boring scapegoat for bad things, or pull the usual antics of Ass Creed games where he'll do something that should get him killed, but you won't get to do the deed because history has to have him die/disappear at the last place he was documented being at
>>147163614>"we're totes better than da mens!",I honestly feel bad for anyone writing female characters today. Even when their intentions are pure and they're not trying anything funny they're having to dance a tight rope. You need to have them in life or death sword fights so you have to write them to win but you can't have them win by too much or without XYZ explanation because people can't take a video game as a video game anymore. Everything is a statement one way or another when this was never the case in the past. And it's not that I don't get why people are jumpy this days but goddamn, let it happen first.
>>147163759It's got to do with the weird expectations "modern gamers" have, by which I mean the ones who will both laud and shame the likes of Lara Croft because "she was cool and strong, but why did they make her boobs so big and have run around with her ass hanging out?"Which I often find hilarious because these same types want to make women ugly in games because hot women are somehow unrealistic, while ignoring the fact that the carpet muching lesbos love hot women just as much as the "cis het men" the weirdos keep blaming for societal expectations. They can't seem to grasp that most people enjoy seeing attractive characters, men and women, in the media they consume. That's why we get the roid monkey Slabby in the Last of Us Part 2 when she was just fine way back in that early trailer where she was believably muscular looking.That said, I detractors aren't too much better, since they have a hair trigger over the presence of female characters, doubly so if they're black, as seen with the overblown outrage over Saga from Alan Wake 2
>>147163683To be fair, that's been largely what they have been since very early on. What I don't get is the weird pivot from skill-based stealth and assassination to this weird RPG shit where you can backstab a nigga and it won't do dick all because you're level 15 and the dude's level 60 or some shit. On top of that, it's strange how they suddenly leaned more heavily into the supernatural stuff. Beforehand, it seemed like the series kept the supernatural simple and mainly confined to the whole alien precursor race. Now, you've got things like the Egyptian and Norse gods all being real, along with mythological beastsBecause yea, this famous viking was totally fighting Odin or whatever
>>147163940>To be fair, that's been largely what they have been since very early on.The plot has always been mental but regularly shits the bed so much that most people just completely ignore it.>What I don't get is the weird pivot from skill-based stealth and assassination to this weird RPG shit where you can backstab a nigga and it won't do dick all because you're level 15 and the dude's level 60 or some shit. The original games combat wasn't great but steadily added new things. The newer games just wanted that live service/gear shit type model grind. They are fine open world trash, I didn't mind Odyssey, didn't pay for it though. Everything in it is bland and shallow but it scratches a certain itch. But they just don't evolve the formula and stretch it out into a grind.>On top of that, it's strange how they suddenly leaned more heavily into the supernatural stuff. Beforehand, it seemed like the series kept the supernatural simple and mainly confined to the whole alien precursor race. Now, you've got things like the Egyptian and Norse gods all being real, along with mythological beasts>Because yea, this famous viking was totally fighting Odin or whateverIt was always fucking weird stupid plot but yeah, they want to eat their cake and have it too, sci fi shit, diversity, sailing, combat and stealth, map clearer, monsters/mythology. These games have become such a fucking mess.Ghost of Tsushima was the best ass creed game of the last decade and it wasn't even an ass creed game. Ubisoft make fucking bizarre choices and deserve to collapse.
>>147163940I just really want a new Tenchu man. Capcom is doing Onimusha maybe there's hope. Part of me wonders if we're only getting a new Onimusha so Capcom can gloat. Which if true then this will all be worth it.
>>147164023Yea, I'm pretty hyped since it felt like NOTHING was going to happen when they dropped that HD port of Warlords back in 2018 and never did ports for Samurai Destiny, Demon Siege, or Dawn of Dreams. Still sucks the port wasn't even the Xbox version of the game. I can't imagine that there's any legal reason preventing that, given the Xbox port was well over a decade old by that point. Hopefully both it and the Okami sequel are good, but only time will tell.
>>147164012I know the series wasn't entirely grounded even early on, but it's just weird how the first several games at least felt a little plausible, and now you've got minotaurs and draugr and whatever just wandering around the game world. If that had been kept to DLC stuff like the one in Ass Creed 3 where Washington goes all evil, I could maybe let it slide, but it's just so weird how off the rails the series seems to be now. Of course, I know a lot of people feel like the series should have just ended with Ass Creed 3 given they gave up on the present day narrative after killing off the token Nolan North character
>>147164081I'm surprised they didn't try it sooner. Seriously, why have there been so many samurai games? Not that I'm complaining or anything but it's weird right? Real shame they wasted using Mifune's likeness on that anime too. I mean Mifune as Musashi is perfect but I'd rather have it in a game.
>>147164081>let's slowly remaster every onimusha game for 20$ each>oops that backfiredfucking mental retards
>>147164135That's something I'm curious to see if they'll keep the celebrity likeness for the MC, or just put that aside. To my recollection, Soki from the Dawn of Dreams wasn't modeled after anybody, but I know that it was also kind of the "thing" for the series since Samanosuke was based on a dude who was pretty big at the time, and Jubei used the likeness of a dude who had been dead for several years by that point. Also curious if this will be a reboot or something set within the original continuity. Either seem possible, though I guess a reboot might be more likely since unless Capcom gets on track with more ports, most modern players aren't going to know what the fuck is going on if this does tie into the PS2 tetralogy
>>147164211Eh, I'd take that kind of price over what some remasters tend to be where they're full priced and the only change is a mild graphical increase. Of course, they really should have either used the Xbox version for the port, or at least included it alongside the original since Warlords did have the least content of any entry in the franchise, even with the Genma version content
>>147164239Soki was completely original. I feel like they might have been starting to realize what the ensuing rights problems would be. Especially with 3 which also had Jean Reno. Which was cool, but also weird and probably confusing with international likenesses.
>>147154597>I read the first 40 pages of Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces, and then went, “If this stuff is true I’ll do it anyway. And if it isn’t true it will just be cluttering up my head.” And did my best to forget it.Neil Gaiman
>>147160413>It's the spread of misinformation that generally annoys me. You do see a lot of youtube people try to use it as an actual source of their content. And that combined with a fresh college degree and need to flex off what little information you do know ends up in people claiming to be experts and passing off "trope information" as absolute fact.its worse than wikipedia because it doesnt cite sources.
>>147154635>It's pretty much warped people's minds into being over analytical before they even finish watching something. Everyone wants to think they got one up on whatever it is now by pointing out every trope they see and every action no matter how mundane is now a trope. It's not that tropes don't exist, because they certainly do, but now instead of looking at them in terms of the larger picture, the whole context everyone is reading the ingredients list with zero regard for how they're used.I used to read tvtropes a lot and I dont let it warp my thinking at all.my guess is I think about tropes in a completely different way from them.
>>147164266My only problem was that they didn't bother to get him to speak English in the dub, so he's only Jean Reno for like five minutes when he's still speaking Frog, and then the rest of the game is Leon from the original RE4. Granted I know Samanosuke was also not played by his actor in English, but at least his actor has the excuse of not having the best English skill whereas Jean has played a number of English speaking roles. But yea, probably isn't worth the hassle for royalties and all that when they can just get a TV actor and keep it much cheaper like the Yakuza series
>>147154635>It's pretty much warped people's minds into being over analytical before they even finish watching something.The problem now is extremes: some people are so fucking critical that they refuse to have a positive opinion on anything; whilst other people blindly like things without any ability to qualify the reasons they like it. All this does is make it impossible to talk or discuss anything.
>>147164349What's worse is people need to escalate things to either the MOST EPIC HYPE EXTREMELY BEST THING EVER or SHIT SUX! The concept of reliably good is basically foreign to people. Like you can't just have a comic or a show that you can read and enjoy each episode or issue that are just good. It's great when that MEGA HYPE event happens but you need to built to it with reliable good. Reliable good is where the status quo exists so when MEGA EVENT happens and things changed it actually has weight.
>>147154236I find TV Tropes, especially the episode recaps, very useful for learning about a show I haven't watched.It's impossible to learn anything from Wikipedia episode guides, especially modern serialized shows where the episodes don't have a lot of individual identity. It's all just a vomit of plot points.The organization by trope gives a better idea of what the show is like, what a character is like, etc. because the whole point of TV Tropes is that each trope connects to the many other works that have used the same trope.So I don't take it seriously but it is kind of useful as long as you recognize everything is just someone's opinion with no source. And the trope-to-trope connection can sometimes help me discover things I might not have read/watched otherwise.
>>147163479That's what it started as. Then the sorts of people who like to have control over people and things in order to make up for their own lack of direction, control, and/or pride in their real lives started to worm their ways in and take over. Some of those are still autists of course, but not the same sorts of autists who first were the driving force behind the site.
>>147164512You're not wrong there. It's baffling how if someone says something is good, like a game or movie, people chimp the fuck out because somehow good = great when the literal definition of good is more akin to adequate or acceptable.
>>147164639It's a weird complaint to have, I realize because it SOUNDS dismissive but it's really not. But if you read say, Avengers for a long period time, you were reading for the fun of the comic. It was great when you got to the big stories but you had fun just in the event of the hobby itself. You weren't looking to have your mind shattered every month. It was just something comfortable you did over time. You weren't looking to rush to the end or the good part because you read in the moment.
>>147164694>You weren't looking to have your mind shattered every monthYou know what it comes down to? Expectations. Old comics had one and done stories, it might be good or okay or bad. Your expectations adjusted. Now marketing forces the idea of FOMO, fear of missing out, an anxiety that you must consume and it must build up and get bigger and better! But all that does is brew eventual burn out. They want you to be a fanatical consumer, whether you buy something because you think it is the best thing ever or buy something to see the train wreck. (In general expectations are why so many people are miserable because they are comparing themselves to fake social media lives etc.)
>>147164762I feel like a lot of people are rushing to get on board with things now that they're "In" so they can be part of the "crowd." And while I understand everyone has to get their start somewhere there's just generally a desire to be at the top now. FOMO has been a special bugbear too with how often I see people buying half a dozen omnibuses for the sake of showing off.
>>147161383reminds me of furry artists getting mad at e6 when they label their art incorrectly and stick with it caus WYSIWYGlike with smaller characters being labeled cub and some flat chested girls being labeled as cuntboys/trans
>>147164864>I feel like a lot of people are rushing to get on board with things now that they're "In" so they can be part of the "crowd."People nowadays are lonelier than ever because they are anxious, divided and tired. They are anxious because the problems keep mounting up and they feel they can't do anything about them. They are divided because the media prefers quick ragebait to actual journalism. They are tired because they work hard for less pay without adequate housing or careers. Modern culture has become a temporary relief to this: streaming shows, video games, porn. It gives people brief respite and is easy to consume. But you can't connect well with others with this stuff. People do try sometimes, like people in an office will talk and speculate about some new documentary/true crime show/drama that Netflix put out, but their conversations are boring and repetitive regugitation of whatever interesting tidbit they read somewhere else to appear smart. Part of the reason why the MCU was so big was the gimmick of team ups/after credit scenes bred speculation which allowed discussion. Endgame was weirdly a cultural moment for people, because that is all they want, connection, to whoop and cheer together. People need an excuse for it. It isn't just a comics problem but a societal problem, with people unable to connect or discuss things. Everything is generalizations, like culture wars podcasts with broad speculation about motives over and over again with no journalism. So many people don't bother to engage in culture so they can't talk in specifics about it. And without specifics there is no true discussion. Just people half remembering things to win an argument or chinese whisper opinions or tidbit facts to appear clever or constant anger complaining about things they didn't read or bother with over and over again, ad infititum. This is why they are so desperate to fit in and why FOMO is a powerful allure.
>>147164966>reminds me of furryThere are points when you should realize that a sentence is not worth finishing being said or posted. This is one of those times.
>>147164992Internet conversation is weird. I feel like it's at a point where we somehow say both too much and not enough. You either disagree or you don't and the discussion isn't about convincing people or sharing ideas as much as it's effectively become shouting matches till someone has to leave. Talking to other fans used to be a rarer more personal experience but with everything being centralized and homogenized opinions need to be safe. A new fan who's talking out their ass is just as valid as the person who made the damn thing.
>>147154285>Well there’s here and twitterSo basically nothing.Less than nothing even
>>147154246Man-made horrors unfortunately well within my comprehension.It doesn't help.
>>147158968Unfortunately it spills over to the main site too. It's the reason you see tropes either cut or renamed to something less imaginative.
>>147159054there's a LOT of reaching in ymmvI think some users take it as a short-form fanfic section
>>147165104I mean could consider tv tropes itself to be nothing, along with Reddit.None of it matters
>>147154236it's autism. it's fidgety, self perpetuating nothing-work for the compartmentalized mind of autists that have no capacity to actually opine, or write or document something that bares some kind of actual discussion.it's like a baby jingling keys to amuse itself. just be glad you don't have a defective retard brain and disregard.
>>147160326I'm guessing like 90% of fanfic pages are created by the author
>>147165153I'm dead certain most e-celebrity ones are anyways. I seriously doubt Linkara and his little plot lines have t hat dedicated an audience. And he just seems to type to.
>>147154236I used to know a friend who loved TVTropes and it was one of his favorite sites He died about 7 years ago, still hurts
>>147165100>You either disagree or you don't and the discussion isn't about convincing people or sharing ideas as much as it's effectively become shouting matches till someone has to leaveIt is meta textual flag waving. Go on any old music Youtube page and one comment will be like:>I am young but this is real music!!!That isn't a conversation or a debate. They are saying all culture now = bad, culture then = good. There is no discussion to be had, just blind support or blind hatred over the same generalizations about everything. And to circle it back to this thread topic, this is precisely the problem with sites like TV Tropes. It is the same gross flag waving. There is no real human experience in it.
>>147165171I blame the SHARE A LIKE mentality. It's all upvotes. You don't want a connection you want an acknowledgment.
>>147161594It's annoying seeing the old forum mod mindset wholesale lifted but not with a moral superiority angle
>>147154810>The most recent one I've heard about was some new-ish ecchi magical girl animeThat was the point of no return. Where the site became completely irredeemable trash.
>>147164600Also because it attracts, let us say, obsessive people, you can find almost anything written up in depth. You can not only find tropes for just about every opera in the standard repertoire but someone writes up their favorite recordings of the opera in the Trivia section under "All Star Cast." It's nice to see people wasting their time in relatively harmless ways.
I'm genuinely curious why they haven't seeked out alternative forms of earning money without angering their Google overlords.Being targeted by Google twice is half the reason (the other is their massively puritan and autistic userbase) why the site is in such a sorry state.
You know my post mentioning unsettling gender reveal trope was a sign for you to post shows and movies for me to fap to anon... you failed me anon
>>147154236I use that site to find some fic recommendations
>>147165367Well it's probably a closer suggestion system than MAL. >You watched this show. You will like OTHER SHOW because they are both teh awesome.
>>147154236I think it's useful for finding media with tropes that I enjoy.
>>147165181That just reminds me of the sad state of thumbs downs, which don't even fucking mean anything anymore. Where once you could tell if someone's youtube comment was great or trash by the like/dislike ration, now it's just whether the thing gets triple digit likes or 1k and up likes. Heaven fucking forbid a terrible comment is downvoted. Same with twitter, and I can't even remember if they ever had a downvote there or not, but the only way you know something is good or bad is if it's ratio'd, which even then isn't a perfect means of determining a post's worth since like any social media site, people can easily organize their little mobs and affect the like/retweet ratio.Almost feels like at some point they'll just remove comments altogether from certain platforms and only let you give a smiley face or a frowny face because god fucking forbid you say a positive or negative comment on a YouTube vid or a twitter post.
>>147165464>could tell if someone's youtube comment was great or trash by the like/dislike rationCould you ever really do that? Even with dislikes, the ratio was a bad way of telling anything. People had to REALLY dislike something to give it a thumbs down but mostly gave things a thumbs up as an acknowledgement more than anything.
>>147165505It wasn't perfect, but at least when you hit the button, it showed a number. And up until recently, that was also the case with the dislike button for videos, until screwyoutube decided that they didn't like people knowing what the dislike number was so you have to get add-ons to your browser to see that shit. Which makes things kind of sad and hilarious at the same time when you have movie trailers that are clearly getting heavy dislikes, but this won't be obvious without said add-ons.Bottom line; it just feels like any form of negativity, be it a simple dislike number or even a written comment is becoming heavily discouraged all for the sake of "muh feelings"
>>147165575Like I said, unless it was realllly bad the ratio of likes to dislikes tended towards positive, so much so that people would remember the most disliked videos. I don't think negativity is being discouraged, considering that 90% of Youtube culture feels like people complaining or having petty dramas themselves.
This is going to sound weird but this reminds me to a certain extent of the expansion of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). There was a point at which Robert Spitzer with the DSM III in the 70s was just sat there letting people in committee throw out any number of psychiatry ideas, literally shouting over each other, to put in the manual, leading to a massive increase in the size of the manual. Pick up a copy of the DSM-5 today and it is massively thick with so many pathologies, some which have no actual basis in any kind of research orientated thought or that would be best as being under another condition.TV Tropes kind of feels like the same thing. As a committee they find tropes even ones that don't really fit or exist and claim the examples all neatly fit even if they don't and they don't really care to examine anything.
>>147163849See Tanya in Mortal Kombat 1.Like the problem is not that she's black, if she was black but her design was otherwise the same as the other games, nobody would've said a word.It's that they went out of the way to make her as ugly as they could.
>>147165600It certainly seems that way with them removing the dislike number from videos. Maybe it meant nothing for for comments, but at it meant you could tell if something was equally as disliked as it was liked or vice versa. Now, it just feels like nothing but positives. As for negative comments, it does at times feel like the only accepted ones are those that only make disparaging remarks in one direction but not the other. I've seen a lot of people mention how they have to constantly reword their comments because it triggered the filter that is so obtuse and vague you never know what words are allowed and what ones will get your comment sent to the shadow realm your ability to comment locked for hours or even days on end.
>>147154246This must be the horror H.P. Lovecraft saw all those years
>>147165720>unalive>ass ayy>PDF fileI hate that a lot of channels I watch have to walk on eggshells and use these fucking retarded terms because Youtube's algorithm is ass-backwards. I die inside every single time I hear any of that shit.
>>147154236I'm sure it's been explained but it used to be so easy to trip over cringe on that site. Like not even looking for it, you find people relating their personal stuff and them as characters, wishful thinking about themselves.>socratic method is a trope for some reason>"there's a trope for how I talk??"And then you had people even here name dropping tropes as proper nouns as if everyone was in the know and should respect their system of reducing ideas and concepts.
>>147165799My favorite one is Cody replacing the Nazi Swastika with the Youtube logo.https://youtu.be/FME3eEcvhsshttps://youtu.be/2DDkC8lcz2E
>>147165799I honestly don't know what I said wrong the other day. I was commenting on a video talking about that stupid LA fire chief bitch. The comment didn't have any name calling. I simply mentioned how her sorry excuse reminded me of a lazy coworker, and then I nicknamed her Paula Blart because she looks like a genderswapped Kevin James.I can't possibly imagine it was the fucking nickname, unless the goddamn algorithm is just that broken it felt the nickname was too mean, when that was probably most tame joke I could fucking make when people have said far worse about her on the news.
>>147165868I was watching a video about AI slop animal gore channels on Youtube.I said something to the extent of "you can't say fuck, but apparently this is what Youtube algorithm considers okay" My comment was removed almost immediately, kek.
>>147165900Oh yea, youtube kids and its inconsistent categorization of shit. If I remember right, back when it started, they had a fucking ton of shit like Rick and Morty on labeled for the thing, meanwhile far more tame shows like Simpsons would be age restricted or whatever. And then there's that retard minimizing message. I don't know why the fuck they insist on it, but it's fucking stupid that if a video is slapped with the YTK label, you can't minimize the video without getting that stupid popup message. What in the flying fuck is the point of that?
>>147166030There's a channel that does "every time [song] was played in classic Looney Tunes" and adds "Fuck" to every description so they will be allowed to have comments.
>>147154246I now have more motivation to kill myself
>>147154547>>147154558Holy autism
>>147154236they should bring back troper tales
>>147166080Really is weird how they just throw anything into the YTK thing instead of just fucking getting a person to authorize shit properly
>>147154258TVTropes gave rise to Anita Sarkesian.
>>147165138That's the worst part. That's not the YMMV page, it's Henry's character page.
>>147165310The new admin appears to be incredibly lazy for one thing
>>147165799>This video contains references to self harm
>>147166727While I get that those messages are for more emotionally and mentally fragile people, goddamn do I hate how forced some of those messages are in modern media. That Silent Hill game they dropped a year ago, Short Message had a thing about suicide. Not once. Not twice. BUT EVERY FUCKING GODDAMN TIME THE SCENE CHANGED.Like, I fucking get it, the game has references to suicide, the main character is a fucking teenager and those little faggots kill themselves by the truckloads. But I think if anybody with suicidal tendencies has just agreed to play a game with heavy themes, they only need to see the warning once, not every five figgity fucking minutes.
>>147166769There's a big red one when you boot up the persona 3 remake. It's honestly getting exhausting how much we have to dance our these sensitive babies.
>>147166803Yea but that only plays when you boot up the game and then that's it, and pretty sure you can even click past it like a lot of the publisher stuff. The Silent Hill one did it for every big scene change when the girl tries to kill herself, and it feels like the game was ending abruptly because the message feels like those old warnings you'd see in horror games from way back. The whole thing just felt like it was being way too pandering>Hey, this game has naughty bad themes that might make you want to say bye bye life, but please don't :(>No seriously, we want you to know you can get help, safety first! :)>Please don't commit die, that would be sad, uwuLike I said, once when the game first boots up is fine, but every time while you're playing it? If I were suicidal, I'd probably do it just out of spite for being overly pandered to.
Nah, I find it useful for discovering things I might not otherwise learn about. Also kind of good for finding out spoilers so I can decide if I want to waste my time with some things, since almost nobody any longer does written in depth reviews of episodes or films that outright say what happens in it.
>>147165206The worst part is that the reason they used to allow a page for it, but some guy told a bunch of lies about what the show was about and got it banned.Which is hilarious because the Cuties page is still up despite that also sexualizing minors. In fact, they all but swore that they'll never take it down despite the pressure.
>>147167032>CutiesOh dear god, that whole shit show. I understand what the director was trying to get at, but holy fuck, did they ever muck up the execution, and Netflix had to double down on the whole thing by giving it a racy advert instead of something tasteful that would make it clear "this movie is AGAINST sexualizing kids, not promoting it"
>>147154562>yes there are noticeable and repeated patterns in fiction. it can be paralysing. in one page I remember it having a passage to the effect of how trope awareness shouldn't make you avoid using them in fiction entirely.I was so obsessed with being original or not ripping things off that on the rare occasion I had an idea I'd check TVTropes to see what the name for whatever cliche piece of shit I'd thought up was and how many stories I'd read already used it. Eventually I realized it was a horrible habit and the best thing to do is just fucking steal everything from everywhere and stop caring.
>>147154236I've browsed it a lot.I mainly just can't stand when its clear someone went overboard in trying to list every vague instance of something being a trope when it doesn't even match the description, or is such a tiny minor 5 second thing it shouldn't really be listed on that trope's page compared to other works.
