Sandman should have stayed a good guy
>>147154486>Mentally disabled man driven insane from isolationVery weird take on him desu but ok.
>>147154486I agree
Maybe, but the inertia is too strong on him. If you want a good guy phase to stick, you need to pick an unpopular villain or have it happen early in their career. Coming up with a different identity for your good guy appearances also helps.
>>147154486Riddler tooand Doctor Doom, and Doc Ock, and Phil Urich, and Clayface, and everyone else that ever wen't good but got fucked by Status quo
>>147154486but he killed uncle ben. he's a murderer. he deserves the chair.or well uh. whatever method of capital punishment is best suited for men who are also made of sand? so probably still the electric chair actually. i assume that if you were to petrify him into a chunk of fulgurite, that would probably kill him dead.
>>147154729>but he killed uncle ben.Not in the comics>i assume that if you were to petrify him into a chunk of fulgurite, that would probably kill him dead.Surely someone would have tried to electrecute him already
>>147154709>Phil UrichMy nigga, Urich WAS good from the very start.He was fucked over because he was turned into a generic bad guy later on, not the other way around.
>>147154658The true endgame
>>147154729>t.
>>147154486now hes a big guy
>>147154729>but he killed uncle benAnon......
>>147154789Goddamit you know what I mean, he never should've gone badIf they wanted another Hobgoblin them pull out the brainwashing machine again, if they wanted him specifically to be a goblin then make him green and a hero again to combat Norman or Menace or whoever, Or pull the Loners back together
>>147154729SM3fags really are all zoomers
>>147157209It annoys me that of all the stupid changes this one stuck. Fuck Slott the fat dickwad.Heroic Goblin was actually something unique.Now he's just another evil one, not as cool as any of the others.
I guess the only good goblins a dead goblin lol
>>147154729Begs the question. How much of the sand particles are necessary for him to reanimate himself. Like, can he pull a riener Braun and transfer his mind to one tiny spec then accumulate more sand to bring himself back later on?.
>>147157261he and Hydro-Man (and I'm assuming all other elemental peoples like them) have one specific soul particle/molecule that keeps the whole thing together, which is dumb to me but whatever. At least in Sandmans case, it can be Isolated and contained, and separated from other sand leaves him completely imprisoned. Dunno about Hydro-Man
>>147154729I remember the X-Play segment where he's interviewed and he confesses to doing a bunch of other stuff and ends with blowing up Krypton.
>>147157281isolating water seems harder than sand
>>147157281in the shattered dimensions game the shard made him lose his mind and his consciousness kept splitting the more he absorbed more sand
>>147157281Makes me wonder about all those times in the comics where his consciousness split (at least three times from what I remember), were they all subconsciously by this sole grain, or did other grains take on "lives" of their own? And it doesn't stack up with that one time venom poisoned him with a bite (though that's retarded on it's own), how does a bite that takes out a chunk of his mass cause such extreme destabilization to the mind and the rest of the body? How the fuck to you poison sand?
>>147157368*subconsciously controlled
>>147157249I mean...He is a demon, and he died saving a child.>Anon who wishes Demogoblin got a redemption mini
>>147157368maybe his soul grain also split up
>>147157368meant for >>147157337>>147157378I always thought he was cool, to kid me (whos only experience with him was maximum carnage, and potentially a mid transformation issue where he fought ghost rider?) he came across as a venomized goblin, going on about punishing sinners but with a very warped sense of what that meant. Sucks he died but cool he died doing some goodI hear his body was being used by Shriek so who knows, maybe another Midnight Sons run happens and he's able to get himself a new body and a ticket out of hell anon
>>147154486Blame John Byrne, he thought Sandman couldn't ever be a good guy because he was on the FBI most wanted list before he got powers. Also blame everyone else at Marvel from then up to the present day for letting Byrne wreck something yet again and doubling down on it afterwards instead of fixing it, yet again.Is anyone else surprised Marvel never launched a Sandman book in the 90s just to try and confuse people who were looking for Gaiman's Sandman?>>147157462It's the other way around, Demogoblin is using Shriek's body, she apparently died to bring him back.
>>147158278What did he do to get on the fbi most wanted list?
>>147158278>Is anyone else surprised Marvel never launched a Sandman book in the 90s just to try and confuse people who were looking for Gaiman's Sandman?Who would be the villain? Hydro-Man?
>>147154729I hate non readers
>>147157368>all those times in the comics where his consciousness split (at least three times from what I remember)that often?
>>147158393Pirating nintendo games
>>147154486Sand is inherently evil
>>147157368does venom even have a poison bite anymore
>>147160614Shut up, Anakin
I liked when he and the Thing were friends
>>147161996man... at least they still got to be friends for a bit before the status quo curse hit
>>147154486Based Avengers line-up
>>147162802with sandman having been a part of the avengers and a regular ff character does disney have the film rights for him?
>>147162146>at least they still got to be friends for a bit before the status quo curse hitThe worst of it is Byrne didn't just have Sandman revert to being a villain, he'd been faking his reformation all along. Ben had never really trusted him, and was spying on him.Another writer did some damage control and retconned that the Wizard brainwashed Sandman into being evil again because he wanted his old Frightful Four ally back, but nobody but Wizard and Sandman know this happened, everyone else thinks he just chose to return to crime.>>147162898He made his debut in a Spider-Man comic, he's part of the Spider-Man rights package Sony have got.
>>147164076the big two will really come up with the most convoluted stories just to bring back the status quo>He made his debut in a Spider-Man comic, he's part of the Spider-Man rights package Sony have got.wanda and pietro made their debut in an x-men comic
>>147154729God I hate secondaries so much
>>147164076Everything about Byrne's run pissed me off
>>147164139That's not really a fair comparison, Sandman has a lot more history in Spider-Man comics than Wanda or even Pietro has in X-Men comics, Sandman being part of the Spider-Man rights makes a lot more sense than them being part of the X-Men rights, yet they were anyway, because it was the book they first appeared in. Sony and Disney came to some arrangement to share the rights to them.There was a similar situation with Kang being tied up with the FF rights because his original identity of Rama-Tut having been in an issue of FF, even though most of his later appearances were in Avengers.>>147164218Agreed, but outside of what happened to Sandman, none of it really ended up mattering in the long term. They're awful, but they haven't permanently tainted Spider-Man comics in the way modern runs have done. It's a terrible reminder that no matter how bad a Marvel run can seem at the time, things really can keep getting worse than you ever imagined, eventually the old bad runs don't seem so bad in comparison to the present.
>>147161955No, it only happened the one time in a dumb story, around the same time someone flicking a lighter in his presence was enough to make him panicGiven what we know now about that green goo that's always around his mouth though, I can sorta buy it? All that green gunk is literally symbiote shit (which begs the question of why no other symbiotes are drawn producing it now that it's canon, is venom the only one that shits??), his bite could've been like a komodo dragons where it's just riddled with (alien) bacteria/venom and can seriously fuck you up if not kill you
>>147164276>outside of what happened to Sandman, none of it really ended up mattering in the long term.Long term I guess you're right. It did really regress Flash's character until BND of all things fixed him up though
>>147154486Blame John Byrne, he fucked up one of the best villain rehabilitations ever.
>>147164276i see
