>Indie animation is a bubble, it will never be as successful as television animation >can barely crack 100k Imagine getting less views than Monkey Wrench
>>147154569I'm being serious when I say this:Kids do not care about cartoons anymore. They're too busy playing minecraft or fapping to skibidi toilet on their smartphones.
>>147154569Jesus, ratings now are shit, being less than a mil on premiere was a instant death sentence in the past. Looking at old ratings 4-6 mil were average for good premieres of pilots and animated series
>>147154609I disagree, lots of kids like Digital Circus, the problem is that most television animation looks the exact same now and it doesn’t have anything to make it stand out. Kids get bored very quickly
>>147154569It's StugOver
>>147154609Kids like loud and obnoxious things and tweens like theory-crafting bullshit. Skibidi is popular with the former, and then became popular with the latter with its weird worldbuilding. Digital Circus is popular with the latter. The thing they both have in common is that they are incredibly accessible because they're on YouTube. If something like The Owl House was made for YouTube and Disney owned the full rights to that website, it probably would've been a big financial hit.
>>147154817Why hasn't any major animation studio tried capturing the YouTube indie market then?I can only think of Nick but that barely counts because all they do is make low effort animations probably made by third worlders using their existing IPs for youtube
>>147154871Because they all wanted to do it on their own streaming service. A few studios and even some independents tried to capitalize on YouTube's market, such as pic related, but the algorithm being constantly tweaked made it like an arms race. It's tricky because YouTube has so much power for artists to get recognition and they keep gutting them; but at the same time, there is no real alternative. What are you supposed to do? I have no idea.
>>147154569what the fuck is StuGo even about at a glance/looking at just the promo art?
>>147154936StuGo is a generic beanmouth cartoon fresh off the CalArts Style assembly line. All the characters look shit. It is truly one of the Steven Universes of all time.
>>147154569pffTOH got 610k views on its first episode in S1 and at this point TV was already dead dead.In my opinion, the art style and the lack of marketing really kills shows.Also binging format (Moon Girl).
It really sucks that the recent Disney shows in TV only get like 0.05 - 0.15 millions of views.While Amphibia, TOH and Big Green City managed to get to 0.30 or 0.50 views easily.
>>147154899zamn that channel is barely getting views
>>147154616Nielsen ratings in general have been on a steep downslope now that streaming is the go-to way to watch new stuff, which begs the question: why are they planning to wait until their vague "Spring 2025" date to add StuGo to Disney+? Won't that hurt the show's outreach? Shouldn't you WANT to make your new show as readily available ASAP so you can gauge audience demand and decide on a second season pickup sooner rather than later? Just doesn't make much sense to me
Can you imagine? Growing up on 90's cartoons. Cartoons made by people who were sick of the systems in the 70's and 80's. Execs who actually gave animation a budget and a chance to shine. Artists who were so eager to finally work on something worthwhile pouring their hearts, souls, and talent into their work. Some of the best TV animation we've ever seen. Shows that are so good, they're STILL recommended to people 30 years later. You, as a kid, look at that and think the world of animation is limitless and if you just worked hard and got into the industry, maybe, you'd get your own show and your own chance to shine.And then the time comes, but now the industry has been so viciously gutted and raped and you barely scratch 100k viewers. By a major fucking network. And not only that, but your pitch was probably bogged down by so many notes that it just became another, forgettable beanmouth cartoon that no one cares about and will be dumped in one month. What a fucking travesty.
>>147155351StuuuuuuuGOOOooooooo! StuGo, StuGo, StuuuuuuuuuuuGooooooOOO! (StuGo! HEh heH Ha ha hA hAaaa stugOo) StuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuGOOOOOOOOOO! StuGo!
>>147155445Such a fun, catchy theme song wasted on such a nothingburger of a cartoon. It's literally the best part of the show.
>>147154609>Kids do not care about western cartoons anymore.FTFY
>>147155601I agree that anime is going to outlive Western toons, but it has its own expiration date.Japan's population is shrinking and it means they go extinct or they're just too old to work anymore.
>>147154936It's about a group of kids who were tricked into being stranded in an island filled with mutant creatures. It's an episodic comedy.
>>147155235Well, the problem is that if you bombard the viewer with a bunch of episodes very quickly, you lose their attention. This way, they get a more consistent stream of engagement.
>>147154609And that's a good thing. I may not like everything Glitch puts out, but it's worth it to slay CN and what's left of Disney's animation division on the way out.
>>147155762But why the massive gap between when the first couple episodes premiere on TV and when they premiere on streaming (where the majority of viewers will ideally be watching)? It's bad enough that they're releasing two full half-hours each week for January, but waiting even longer to then dump all these episodes on Disney+ months later leads to some weird dissonance where so many cord-cutting households won't even know the show exists until "Spring 2025." This in turn makes it even harder for Disney TVA to decide if a season renewal would be worth putting into production, not that I expect StuGo to even get such an opportunity.
>>147154609literally me
>stugo airedmega?
>>147154609Skibidi Toilet is a cartoon. Maybe Disney should stop making gay cartoons filled with they/thems, and start making violent mecha animations. Children yearn for it.
>>147154569WHY ARE CHILDREN NOT WATCHING OUR CARTOON CALLED "STUGO"???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaefe8BrZM>ambiguously brown girl protagonist>bean mouths>Adventure Time esque world, but it's all isolated to an island>Probably a bunch of secret "lore" that the writers make up as they gozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>147156256man almost all those characters designs are ugly or boring. I hate this era of cartoons
>>147156256Those comments seems like bots>wow disney 100th show>neat disney's 100th show>cool song>cool >haha I like StuGo!!!!
Why does the chick scientist sound like a man
>>147156256>I figure it's some guy's name. Some guy named Stugo.
>>147155862Probably to give breathing room?>>147156194It's in the archives.
Calarts fangays have either trooned out and subsequently unalived xirselves or grew up and are now too busy with the baby to watch cartoons. (And no parent actually wants their kids to watch cartoons, deep down we all know it's brainrot)
>>147156256do they explain what the hell a stugo is
>>147156714In-universe? Not really. It's just basically a bunch of kids fucking around. And they're upfront about it.
>>147154609Nah kids like cartoons but none of this new shit appeals to them at allThey only appeal to adults in a sad way
>>147154569
>>147156315They're autistsonly autists watch cartoons
>>147157100Hopefully this brown girlpower phase has ended
>>147155496My brother recently showed me this music video. Funny how you discover something new and then it pops up multiple times after that.
>>147154817>the owl house copelmfao
>>147157106I'd watch this if the whole was taking the a piss about it
>>147154569First rule of anything kid related: make it interesting looking. Something that is great but looks generic won't get watched by kids.
>>147157127>Brown girl kino is over >Shota-fag shit will now become the normFuture is looking grim
Saberspark made a rant on YouTube on how people shouldn’t criticize it because it doesn’t have a unique artstyle then deleted it because people made fun of him
>>147154569What diversity hire showrunner created Stugo?
>>147157732Kys
>>147157768did that really happen
>>147157772Someone who can do an episodic show that could be rerun in any order?
kick em right in the stugo
>>147157835No it was the alpha Jay show lol my bad . But yea he did a long rant about this tweet then proceeded to show a bunch of examples of shows with the same/similar animation to adventure time.
>>147157931but that faggot video is still up
>>147154609Shouldn't Skibidi Toilet count as a cartoon?
>>147157127I imagine pitch for The Doomies was>It's Gravity Falls except I made it!
>>147154609>Kids do not care about cartoons anymore.>They're too busy playing minecraft or fapping to [CARTOON] on their smartphonesWhat did anon mean by this?
>>147155666>it means they go extinctStop falling for the media fearmongering.At the current rate of population decline, it'll take Japan another 50 years just to go back to the population numbers of the late 1980s
>>147157424It takes modern satire about 6-7 episodes to unironically become that which they were making fun of
>>147154609Shit like this makes me madKind of glad my cousins and brother didn't give the little ones tablets whenever they started crying
>>147158348Meant 1960s.Whatever
>>147154569painfully mid show
>>147154569Nobody watches TV anymore, especially kids, gramps.
New episode titles and descriptions:https://www.dgepress.com/disneybrandedtelevision/pressrelease/february-2025-programming-highlights/>>147159547>“Finders Kelpers” – KELP-TOMANIA! Pliny and the Kelp Folk try to beat Lullah at her own game.>“Truck Everlasting” – NACHO NOSTALGIA! Mr. Okay worries Lullah is going to replace him.>“Alpha Betta Chip” – FISHY FISTICUFFS! Chip is forced to use slap-based tactics to defend a bullied mutant. *Johnny Pemberton (“Superstore”) guest stars as Peanut.>“The Bomb Swapper” – BLUFF GO BOOM! The kids’ prank accidentally lures one of Lullah’s nemeses to the island.>“The Wolf of Jealousy” – GOLD-RIDDEN GUILT! Larry must confront his jealousy or be consumed by it!>“Stench Mensch” – OFF-PUTTING PUDDING! To keep a secret, Lullah is forced to help Pliny assist a pathetic grub.>“Francis Wants to Be Alone” – FRAGILE FRIENDSHIPS! A spiraling Merian tries to figure out exactly why Francis left her party.>“The Sash” – PRESIDENTIAL PANDEMONIUM! The kids vie for a presidential sash.
>>147155601>being a retarded weebkek
>>147154871Because YouTube ad revenue doesn't go very far when you have to pay people industry standard rates and have corporate overhead. WildBrain has a division that makes YouTube slop for profit and it's slop in the truest definition of the word. Extremely low end animation, lowest common denominator writing. Their Popeye shorts series was infamously dialogue free because they wanted to make it accessible for third worlders.
>>147154609Well, they're certainly better off than the Steven Universe victims.
>>147154569this looks like it was created by someone who hasn't had enough hardships in life. devoid of character. stuuuuu GOOOOOOOOOO
>>147154609>Kids do not care about slop anymore.Fix. Those games are more engaging than slop like TTGO because they actually make you wanna see more from it. The shit exec wants to push isn't appealing because they are actively designed to make you more retarded.
>>147156256I kinda like the theme, but this looks really unappealing otherwise.
>>147154569All the astroturf threads didn't work out, did they?
>>147154718Underrated post
>>147154569I'm trying to figure out how we get kids to StuGoWatchOurShow
>>147154569>Disney>another Steven Universe-ass show that seems to care more about having lots of shades of brown than a premise
>>147161270Does it ever?It's just the same 5 autists samefagging about brown girl shows
>>147154609You have to make a GOOD show that isn't just propaganda and then they will.
>>147161355t. living søyjak
>>147161332Heh.
>>147161355We don't allow children to post here
>too many brown girls>muh propagandathis is actual brainrot
>>147157363thats actually a good comparison, they literally released the owl house s3 on youtube and it made good numbers
>>147154871You also need to sell merch, which means having merch that people would want to buy, which means having appealing main character designs to base the merch on. Now look at StuGo, who would want to buy merch of a bunch of weird/ugly looking kids?
>>147161525>brainrotis this the new word of the week?
>>147154957slice of life with no conflict, violence or superpowers
>>147157860das it mane
>>147154569I meanlook at it.It doesn't look good.
honestly surprised disney isn't poaching manga talent from overseas and making their own jump adjacent
>>147156714that's what happens when you're down with the trudgemank
>>147154569Skibidi toilet won
>>147161354There's no overarching storyline, though…
>>147154569Or maybe people have fatigue for leftist shit.
>>147164610this but unironically
>>147154627>lots of kids like Digital CircusAre you referring to the actual series or the tons of brainrot featuring its characters?
>>147154609Anons…I don’t like living in a cyberpunk dystopia anymore. It’s not as cool as in Blade Runner, as I thought it would be
Disney channel premiere ratings for March 5, 2011:Suite Life on Deck (8:00pm)- 3.806 million viewers- 2.3/4 HH- 0.6/2 A18-49- 2.7/12 T12-17- 5.1/18 K2-11Fish Hooks (8:30pm)- 2.916 million viewers- 1.6/3 HH- 0.4/2 A18-49- 1.4/6 T12-17- 4.4/15 K2-11Phineas and Ferb (9:00pm)- 3.306 million viewers- 1.9/3 HH- 0.5/2 A18-49- 1.7/7 T12-17- 4.7/17 K2-11(source: CN Ratings Thread: Part 8 on Toonzone forums)Cablebros, we used to have it so good...
>>147165467There’s isn’t a hell hot enough for the cocksuckers who created Netflix. They literally lied to everyone about how financially successful their platform was (it was built up entirely on debt), and every gullible studio executive fell for it and decided to make their own streaming service. The worst part is that it didn’t need to be like this. I miss the days when streaming was just on Netflix and the big studios would lend their content to Netflix but they still put everything on cable. It was the perfect system, I didn’t need to buy a dozen services
>>147165467even fish hooks got nearly 3 million? damn
>>147154569This shit just looks like a meme more than an actual show. Even the black girl is making the face.
>>147155351>>147155496Gargoyles sucked shit. Now AT on the hand…
>>147161354Disney sucked when they made Kim Possible
>>147154569Be honest. If you were a kid looking at this banner, would you want to watch this?
>>147156714It's short for Student Government.Source:
>>147157127Wizard looking guy looks cool but idk about this one. It got a trailer?
>>147154569Now compare the numbers to good shows like Steven Universe
>>147166357Hey, not fair, SU is over a decade old
>>147154569When will they realize that only manchildren and actual babies watch cartoons nowadays? Kids either watch YouTube or anime.
>>147166387SU Future still better numbers than Helluva Boss
>>147154609kids can't fap. Their penises aren't fully developed yet
>>147166416Says you, loser. I started masturbating when I was 11 and my dick actually coomed. There wasn't any phantom semen neither, it was pure white.
>>147166434I fucking laughed and spilt my Cactus Cooler. Thanks
>>147166462>anon thought I was joking*mwah* Goodnight, everybody!
>>147166479Yakko is a hottie
>>147166511Anon save your lust for the next animaniacs thread, please
>>147157100What is this image trying to prove?
reminder that CHADley never once had an episode dip below 100k. Disney Channel is now cursed
>>147156298This is main problem. Also girl with LENNY FACE
>>147167018instantlyforgettable.jpg
>>147167067This sucked shit and got mogged by Dana
>>147157127>>147157732>Shota-kino will now become the normFinally some real goddamn food.
>>147167105Didn't this shit board glaze the frog show?
>>147165467Fishhooks are great
>>147157100A New Wish was such a huge misfire. Just remaking the old show but with continuity and upgraded art style would've been fine.
>>147164401That's sort of what they've been doing when the company Tokyo Pop was brought back from the dead nearly a decade after it went under in the states. They've been getting Disney manga made of random movies. I don't know if anyone actually buys them since they never seem to be advertised and Tokyo Pop ended up investing heavily in explicit yaoi manga too.
>>147154609owari da
>>147154627i believe it's because kids don't watch TV. we're putting cartoons on the wrong platform. and streaming services isn't itit should be fucking YouTube.1. accessible and everyone can get it for free2. monetizable and unrestricted3. no need to tune in EXACTLY or wait for a rerun.literally On Demand but everyone has it and everyone can see it
>>147155666do gaijins ever think like ''our journalism is nothing but sensationalism when it comes to japan''?
>>147166354Still nothing, but many images had been leaked here. And also a guy said that he had the Episode 1 and sended an image to prove it.
