Did he leave marvel out of spite? And what was his last "fuck you'l" to the fans before he left?
>>147157676I don't know.
>>147157676Ike fucked him on X-Men and they wouldn't give him FF because of the rights dispute with Fox. Plus his books weren't selling. His Defenders volume didn't make it pass #12 and the Iron Man stuff with Riri and Doom wasn't catching on.
>>147157676Tanking Miles as a character to get back at them destroying the Ultimate Universe. Miles had genuine pathos and development before Secret Wars. He was entirely rejected by the world as Spider-Man, having to earn his title and the respect of the hero community. He also accidentally killed his uncle, leading to his dad hating Spider-Man. Then his mom got killed during a fight with Venom, making his father despise Spider-Man. After that, Galactus invaded, and Miles's dad wouldn't go with Spider-Man, leading to him unmasking and destroying his father's entire world while it was literally being destroyed around him. There was a ton of heart and emotion in these stories. Then Bendis had his mom and uncle come back as well as having everyone love him for no reason. I can't imagine nosebombing your own creation like that. Then as a final fuck you he brought 1610 back in full, with Peter happily together with MJ. That part was kind of based.
>we are now pretending Miles was ever goodGrim.
Benis but with a d. So he's like two dicks.
>>147158783No I always thought this.
>>147159156You have shit taste then.
>>147159162You've never even read the comics that I'm talking about.
>>147159180>y-y-you've never read these comicsHoly cope. No, they were garbage. Miles was always a garbage character. Nobody cares about Bendis killing off his shitty supporting cast to pretend like he's anything close to an actual character.Kill yourself, Bendistard.
>>147159208Yeah, you have definitely never read them.
>>147159334Keep coping and crying, subhuman. I've read that garbage and it cemented my opinion that Miles is a piece of shit character.
>>147159353>i've read it>can't say anything about itNTA, but it's pretty clear you haven't. Anon went through and actually talked about stuff, and you didn't. It's also too late at this point because everyone's just going to assume you're looking it up online. You fucked yourself hard, anon.
>>147159353>has to insult me instead of using knowledge You lose.>>147159427See. Even other people recognize that you lost.
>>147159427You can cope all you want, retard. Doesn't change the fact that Miles was always an utterly garbage character. You can cry about Miles' shitty mother dying all you want, won't change the fact that nobody cares about his shit supporting cast.And don't worry I'm not rereading this boring slop. I've suffered through it enough in the 2011. All you should do is kill yourself.>>147159436>one minute apartLMFAO
>>147159427>>147159436>posts one minute apartEmbarrassing
>>147159462I'm actually impressed there are faggots willing to pull the historical revisionism as if /co/ didn't consider Bendis' trash to be boring and Miles a terrible character from the start.
>>147158606>He was entirely rejected by the world as Spider-Man, having to earn his title and the respect of the hero communityRevisionist take. Even the shield took him in faster than they did peter.
>>147159478we have a residential milestranny pedophile running around ATM, please he patient. They'll bounce eventually.
>>147159462>>147159454>nooooo you can't post after another anon so quickly at least let it hit page twoWtf? I could say the same thing about these two posts being 45 seconds apart. I have a pass and know that it only takes 30 seconds meaning this could be a samefag. I won't because I'm not schizo enough to think there's only one person posting. That other anon is STILL correct, you haven't talked about the book. All you've done is attack my character like an unhinged leftist.>>147159492>he doesn't remember how miles had to fight spider-womanThe country had to be split in two just to let Miles fight with them. And yeah, they did accept him after that. The whole point was that they didn't want to repeat Peter dying with Miles.
>>147159478>you liked him so you're saying all of /co/ liked himI haven't read Miles, but this is the dumbest take in the entire thread.>>147159720>no uWe really need the fucking IP counter back ffs.
>>147159735Remember the almost daily threads of the Milestranny spamming his cuck fetish? When we still had the IP counter, it would never move. It's literally just one guy dickriding Miles across the entire board.
If anything it felt like the ending of Spider-Men 2 was an apology for focing Miles at the expense of Ultimate Peter by giving Peter the ending he deserved.
>>147159720>The country had to be split in two just to let Miles fight with them. And yeah, they did accept him after that. The whole point was that they didn't want to repeat Peter dying with Miles.The whole point was that you're full of shit. No one "rejected" him for being a leech at any point. At best, all he had was a cold shoulder.
>>147157676He and the Marvel Creative Committee got shut out by Feige (who was already looking to take over control of all of Marvel and not just the movies) which meant less chance of input on stuff outside of comicsHe probably wanted to do the Fantastic Four comic next but they had already promised the title to Slott (IIRC Brevoort offered Bendis Deadpool or Wolverine instead but Bendis declined them)Going over to DC probably meant more opportunities for him, not just comic but movie/TV. Think of how the Naomi show got released way quicker than you'd expect for a new character
>>147160068How did he get his hands on Spider-Man to begin with. was he a Nepo baby?
>what was his last "fuck you'l" to the fans before he left?I consider most of the things he wrote a "fuck you" to the fans, so he probably doesn't do it on purpose. He's just that bad.
>>147159884>muh boogiemanInterracial is a sin against God, pre-Secret Wars Miles is still a good character.>>147159923Why are you lying?
>>147160103People forget this, but Bendis was getting attention in the industry for his indie work. Before he got into Marvel he was getting praise for his Sam and Twitch comic and Powers. That's what got him USM, Quesada just liked his work and Jemas was looking for new writers to work on the Ultimate line.
>whole thread is a meltdown because one (1) guy liked miles before secret wars>anon even said he was bad after secret wars implying he thinks miles is shit nowMeanwhile the general public adores Miles and his films. At least know who your fucking enemies are, ffs.
>>147160291my biggest problem with Bendis Miles run is Miles as a character is alright, Miles as SPider-man is fucking boring as hell, he genuinely jon cenas his way out of every fight and gets a pat on the back for it. I think Miles is more wasted potential than anything else.
>>147160291The general public "likes" Miles as long as he's shoved into their faces like jangling keys in front of a baby. The moment he stops getting pushed in other media he'll fade into obscurity, only surviving through twitter posts whenever he gets a new powerup.
>>147160305NTA, but I'm the anon that likes Miles ITT, and I agree wholeheartedly. He Venom Blasts his way through every single fight. Even when it doesn't work, he just does it again and it does. I completely understand and agree with this complaint. At least you've obviously read the fucking thing, unlike other idiots.>>147160358How did his video game do?
>>147157676
>>147160392>How did his video game do?Worse than the first one iirc, even with all the marketing and the added "hype" from Spiderverse. I think a lot of its sales actually came from the fact that it was sold as a bundle with the PS5, and for a lot of people that was their only option if they wanted to get that console.
>>147160291>Meanwhile the general public adores Miles and his films.A group of people that saw the animated films, like Miles, perhaps. Many people rightfully criticised Miles presence in the games and 2 didn't do as well as they hoped either, which featured Miles more prominently. Meanwhile his comics have never sold amazingly. So what do you mean by general public? What figures do you have to back any of that up? What metric?
Was making Miles a black latino a fucking mistake? Black people don't think he represents them like a street level hero like Luke Cage, or an African fantasy like Black Panther. A lot of latinos are racist as fuck and won't give him a chance to begin with.He basically only resonates with white liberals.
>>147160232Pack it boys. Our confused clone, infused with the memories of the past life of Peter parker meeting the meech means he's "rejected" by the whole world. Nice sophistry there, anon.
>>147160468Outside of making these characters x ethnicity, they have never really been able to actually use that in a way that isn't patronising or cringe. The only reason people like a Miles or Ms Marvel is that they fit the "young hero who makes mistakes" thing.
>>147160468This was 2011, so biracial characters netted more diversity points than just pure black.Plus, Bendis definitely wanted to insert his racemixing fetish but he would never be able to accept Miles having any whiteness in him, thus he made him afro-latino.
>>147160439Interesting, I didn't know it was a bundle. I didn't like the first game and thought the MIles game was a small step up, albeit it was still shit. I didn't bother with the second.>>147160453Anon, the second film made like seven times its budget. You're delusional to group them as small unless you genuinely think these people went hundred times to the theater. I fucking hated the first film so I didn't see the second, I'm not going to outright deny how popular these movies are. You hate Miles so much you're just flat out ignoring reality. >>147160490>he wasn't rejected>okay he was but it wasn't everyoneGoal post status: MOVED Also I guess in addition to not reading Miles you didn't even read Ultimate Fallout either where everyone was criticizing him while he was saving their lives.
>>147157676He recreated the Ultimate Universe after it had been destroyed in Hickman's Secret Wars and brought back everyone killed in Ultimatum.Marvel is finally getting around to addressing this sometime this year since it was teased in Timeslide last month.General concensus says it's 1616 vs 6160
>>147160392It's probably an issue with how Miles was pushed onto people, he's clearly used corporately as a tool instead of a character. Fuck, none of his standout traits he's now being given were present until the movie created them for him. 616 and secret wars merger could have been a good example of Miles in a world where all the things he lost are back but he has to live with the concept that those around him aren't the ones he grew up with / loved / knew. But, instead he just accepts it and deals with it, he should have been tagging around Peter soon as he got to 616 as both building his character and giving Peter a proper foil to bounce off of for a change but, they didn't. His first show is two shotting Black heart who somehow took out all of the avengers, then when all of the avengers are around him a cop pulls a gun on.... him? WHY? Everyone around is covered in super hero tidy whities but why point a gun at miles? Because Bendis wanted a cop holding a gun at a black kid because he's a retard. For every one good thing i can think of there are a million more that pull that nigga back down in the bucket and it sucks.
>>147160593Again, I completely agree. The post-Secret Wars Miles push is inorganic and cringe.
>>147160555>Criticism means rejection as well Ok now I know you're a bad faith actor, not only did you fail to show me who rejected him and how that translates to the WHOLE FUCKIN' WORLD But now you're doubling down and saying all the anons in this thread must secretly reject him as well, merely for forming a criticism of how he's written.
>>147160593Nta but for me, any good will was thrown out the window when they didn't change his fucking name (or costume) upon being transplanted into 616. That's when I fully realized what they were trying to do with him.
>>147160655I literally showed you who rejected him and you moved your goalpost, you already lost. And no, the anons in this thread outwardly reject him. Your post shows me that you're clearly illiterate if you thought people ITT secretly rejected him.
>>147160555>Anon, the second film made like seven times its budget.>seven timesFactually incorrect with that number there, the listed budget does not include marketing and you need to learn how Hollywood accounting works. Overall I am not denying that those animated films did well, they did do well but you are wrong with the number.>You're delusional to group them as small unless you genuinely think these people went hundred times to the theater.I never said that at all. Anon, this is a ridiculous strawman. No where did I suggest people went a hundred times to a theatre.>I fucking hated the first film so I didn't see the second, I'm not going to outright deny how popular these movies are. I was not just talking about the animated films, I was actually talking about the WHOLE context of him. I was literally saying that, outside of those films he is not doing well. Having ONE good adaptation out of many doesn't mean the "general public adores him" like you suggested. I am asking you to prove that the general public adores him, but you have failed to provide proof of that outside of one series. > You hate Miles so much you're just flat out ignoring reality.I don't hate Miles and I didn't mind both films, unfortunately you are not engaging in good faith. I am simply disagree with your statement that the "general public adores Miles". Most of the general public are vaguely aware of Miles. Some people enjoyed the animated film but that skews towards younger audiences. But the rest of his appearances haven't done as well and have been criticised. Place things in proper context and don't make wild generalized claims.
>>147160694>achually the box office was 6.7500054484114 times and you didn't include the marketing that no one ever includesYou're pathetic. I'm not reading the rest of your post.
>>147160722I accept you concession.
Miles is shit, always has been, always will be.
>>147160652Miles books serves the same purpose it's always have, let young creators learn how to write and draw in the Marvel style.The books are all action, it's silver age style fluff, there's literally nothing in them to be mad at.
>>147160685You didn't show me Jack shit, are you dense? I literally used your own fuckin' words to make things clear. Must I Keep quoting it?. Not only is your example wrong but also blatantly dishonest, a clone of Peter parker who thought they were facing an imposter does not translate to a rejection faced by the world. You are quite literally talking to people who criticise his characterisation yet are willing to embrace him as a concept still like >>147160305You're incapable of telling a single truth. Holy crap.
>>147160793Miles books are simply bland and meh. The modern Marvel style is completely boring. It uses the same pile of gimmicks and creates nothing. Silver Age Marvel, which you call fluff, actually did things and created things. FF or Spider-Man in the silver age did more in a few years that Miles could do in over a decade. Miles has existed for over a decade and still has no great stories. What has Miles got beyond just using other stuff else?The reason why people hate these new character is, not only is nothing beyond maybe a first appearance worth reading, but they are stuffed everywhere like a Poochie.
>>147160753Okay, I read the rest of your post. You're clearly autistic and I apologize for picking on you. I am using generalizations and I know those can be difficult for people like you. Seven is rounding up the $690 million box office that it made on a $100 million budget. I am aware that there is budget, but that isn't calculated into anything regarding box office gross because its not part of the actual budget used for when it comes to things like tax write offs.I also wasn't not suggesting that you thought people went to the theater hundreds of times, I was making fun of you saying that "A group of people that saw the animated films". It sounded like a generalization, that you were saying that it was a handful of people and not $690 million dollars worth of viewers. I assumed anon was talking about the animated films when he said "Miles and his films". I don't know if that's what he meant, but that is what it sounded like and that is how I replied to you. The general public adored his animated films.I now understand your problems and I apologize for making assumptions about you. Again, I do sincerely apologize for making fun of you. I wish you the best in life.
>>147160305>I think Miles is more wasted potential than anything else.I am tired of this wasted potential shit. People do the same thing with Ms Marvel. You're literally boiling him down to an archetype saying you like an archetype which means he has potential. You could literally say that about anything.
>>147160821Again, I did show you and you rejected it. That's not my problem that you're insane. >>147160880>ignoring that ms marvel's original run was great and she was well usedThis thread is fucking retarded and I'm done with it.
>>147157676>trying to pair Luke Cage with Jessica Drew>pairing Luke Cage with Jessica Jones when he couldn't pair him with Jessica Drew>creating Miles Morales>killing Ultimate Peter Parker to introduce Miles Morales>pairing Cloak and Dagger together even though they're not supposed to be love interests for each other>putting his black worship fetish into literally everything he writes>being BendisHe's sent a lot of "fuck you"s to the comic reader base
Imagine spending like a decade and a half writing for Marvel and the only thing people remember for is that a character you made was in a cartoon.
>>147160873>Okay, I read the rest of your post. You're clearly autistic and I apologize for picking on you.You accuse other people of "moving the goalposts" and engaging in fallacy and then you insult me and call me names rather than engaging in a discussion. And you think you're not the pathetic one?>I am using generalizations and I know those can be difficult for people like you. Generalizations are fine in certain contexts.>Seven is rounding up the $690 million box office that it made on a $100 million budget.You lack any and all reading comprehension, the generalization I was complaining about was the "general public adores Miles" thing, not the budget comment.>I am aware that there is budget, but that isn't calculated into anything regarding box office gross because its not part of the actual budget used for when it comes to things like tax write offs.Clearly not because you don't know how it works.>I also wasn't not suggesting that you thought people went to the theater hundreds of times, I was making fun of you saying that "A group of people that saw the animated films". It sounded like a generalization, that you were saying that it was a handful of people and not $690 million dollars worth of viewers.You said, "unless you genuinely think," and put out a completely wild comment to muddy the water rather than address what I think. Notice how you also accused me of hating the character, amongst other things. Strawman after strawman.>The general public adored his animated films.Yes but not the character in general.>Again, I do sincerely apologize for making fun of you. I wish you the best in life.You are just a cunt and you know it. This just feels like bait at this point.
>>147160956Anon he left the thread >>147160897
>>147160897>>ignoring that ms marvel's original run was great and she was well usedWow, a few issues were okay and everything else was middling to bullshit. Her volume one drop off sales were MASSIVE. And her floppy issues hit below usual cancellation levels but they kept it going.
>>147160880Any character thats created and put into a story and does dick all fucking nothing is wasted potential. If a good writer can make people care about some guy covered in red metal who looks like a skeleton in a wife beater than they can make some nigga in a spider-man costume in the modern era be interesting. Anything can be done good if you put decent people on it but they never fucking do.
>>147160969Samefag, claiming to leave then keep going. Just wait for it to continue.>>147160981When you say this about everyone and everything it begins to become meaningless. That's the point.
>>147160873>can't even space his posts properly calling others autistic>reddit is that way
>>147160994When you make a story or you're making stories and you include named characters they should serve a function or a purpose. If they are meant to be in it what do they add and what you do you try to convey. Even if a characters whole role is to show up and then dissapear a panel later what did they contribute to the overall story, what do they fucking add. If you're making multiple books on ideas that could work and you do nothing for them it's wasted potential. A younger spider-man that can learn from a more mature spider-man would be a good segway to keep Parker from being the charlie brown ball kicker slott turned him into, that editorial turned him into. But no they don't think about it, they put a cardboard cut out of a black kid in a spider- costume and said "look at this, you love this, america loves this, get with the program" it's wasted potential.
>>147160897Well. With the milestroon gone. Can we go back to the main topic (bendis final touch?)
>>147161038>If you're making multiple books on ideas that could work and you do nothing for them it's wasted potential.I mean we are just having a semantics argument but like I keep saying, you can say this about everything so it loses its meaning. I consider it more the process of "throwing shit at the wall until it sticks". It doesn't mean it was "good" and now has resolved its "potential". It just means that you kept it going until it had just enough of an audience or drip feed momentum to keep going. Coming up with characters and stuff is hard and so many industry problems eventually become entrenched creative problems e.g. don't kill people because of the CCA and because you can reuse them. Most B, C and below-listers have always been rather meh and all over the place until they kind of stuck due to this constant reattempt. They have tried multiple different things with this character already, anyway, and it has gone little to no where. And when it keeps going no where you kind of realise that there isn't that wasted potential either. >>147161155>Can we go back to the main topic (bendis final touch?)There was a good interview in the early 00s where Bendis talks about how comics ditched the superstar artist model towards the superstar write model which I feel like encapsulates a bunch of the problems we have.
>>147160857Miles is the modern Silver Age Superman meets Spider-Man Team Up. They just create new powers every story that may or may not return in the next story and each story is designed to introduce newer readers to a different corner of the Marvel Universe It's perfectly serviceable.
>>147161216>It's perfectly serviceable.And people wonder why superhero comics are dead... when this is the nicest thing you can say about them. Maybe they shouldn't constantly be pushing the perfectly seviceable characters over and over again.
>>147161155He's obviously still here: >>147161216
>>147161199I'm willing to agree it all boils down to I hate Bendis. ... and fuck that nigga Hopeless for killin my boy.
>>147161199>There was a good interview in the early 00s where Bendis talks about how comics ditched the superstar artist model towards the superstar write model which I feel like encapsulates a bunch of the problems we have.He talks about it later in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOL1qc-FANEHe criticises the artists.
>>147161287Mettle?
>>147161393Amazing how he calls the artist driven books a "shallow experience" while he is the king of the decompressed story and nothing happening in an issue.
>>147160897>ignoring that ms marvel's original run was great and she was well used>This thread is fucking retarded and I'm done with it.
>>147161529Fortress.
>>147160897>ims marvel's original run was great and she was well usedMs. Marvel was a shitty Alonso-era character that coasted on being obnoxiously "cutesy", bland and safe and devoid of any serious challenges or threats. Like everything from that era that tried to appeal to non-existent female fanbase.
>>147160789Fact.
>>147158606>Miles had genuine pathos and development before Secret WarsWhy lie.
>>1471627362L8 2 party. Anon
>>147157676>Did he leave marvel out of spite?And Bendis looked upon his work at Marvel,And wept as he had no more books to ruin.>Remember when Bendis basically took a load of material from Guardians of the Galaxy movie for his comic without really being given permission to and totally shit on Guardians of the Galaxy who had been fucking built into a proper series during the Abnett/Lanning era?>Remember how he destroyed Scarlet Witch by following Bryne's entrenched hate boner?>Remember his X-Men shit... and Bobby turning gay?>Remember how all this other diversity shit was him just seeing which way the wind was blowing in terms of adaptations?>Remember when he helped set up the modern Marvel bullshit crossover yearly event and how they all went?>Remember how he waifued Spider Woman but couldn't use her for a book so had to create Jessica Jones and then proceeded to get her hooked to Luke Cage, in his.. "not the first time he weirdly cucks himself" fetish?>Remember his weird obsession with Kitty Pryde and how he made his Ultimate Spider-Man stand in character get with her? Or how Kitty Pryde got put in his Guardians book?
>>147161216>They just create new powers every story that may or may not return in the next storyThere's a reason why they got rid of that a long time ago.>each story is designed to introduce newer readers to a different corner of the Marvel UniverseThis type of comic is rarely good.
>>147157676he jumped ship after DC completed its move to Burbank (it's now just a small office on the WB lot, whereas before the move it was I think two whole floors of 1700 Broadway, 6 and 7)the reason he did that is Bendis thinks he's got what it takes to be a movie guy, even though when he went out to LA as a young man he couldn't even sell one script and has basically no idea how movies work; he's spent years ignoring criticism of his comics work and would be torn apart in any LA writer's room for his ideas being that stupid combination of unfilmable and unoriginal, his dialogue being a child's concept of Mamet and his attitude of knowing what he's doing when he clearly fucking doesn't; they wouldn't even take his lunch order, just let him get the hint and leaveanyway in 2015 Bendis did get his Powers comic made into a tv show (with 2 seasons!) on the Playstation Network - remember the Playstation Network? because Sony sure as fuck doesn't - and that probably made him think he was going to be hot shit in Hollywood and not a fat 50 year old waddling around the WB lot tour thinking he was specialthat and he was once on the Marvel Creative Committee, which reputedly got shitcanned because studio people were getting unsolicited calls and scripts from "big name" comics people looking to break into movies and tv, and because certain "big name" comics people were taking movie dev work from unreleased projects and using it in their own comicsfuck Bendis
>>147164323>the reason he did that is Bendis thinks he's got what it takes to be a movie guyThis is part of the reason he left Marvel. He wrote/consulted for some MCU stuff. But after Feige won the war vs Perlmutter he was basically sidelined completely.
>Metal Hurlant is coming back but this time in English>Oh that sounds neat>Contributors include: Bendis No thanks! (Weirdly we are also getting a new Heavy Metal relaunch too, so will have both out at the same time?)Is he writing anything these days?
>>147164323>the reason he did that is Bendis thinks he's got what it takes to be a movie guy, even though when he went out to LA as a young man he couldn't even sell one scriptThe fact is a huge amount of 00s writers were failed screenwriters who don't like or appreciate the medium.
>>147165253Bendis is counterculture then. Not good or someone who sticks to existing characterization or continuity, but a comics guy.
>>147165384Not really? He is just a failed screenwriter who imposed his shit onto comics.
>>147157676Who's worse, Bendis or Slott?
>>147164881>Is he writing anything these days?I think I remembered him doing some stuff at Dark Horse.
>>147165475He started making comics. Failed illustrator.
>>147165651What, he was a failed illustrator?
>>147165665Yes. A lot of his inspirations were artists. But by the time he was actually working on comics, was writing. Worked out well for him because Marvel was in a emphasize writer phase at the time.
>>147162910Jessica Jones ruined not just Luke Cage, but Purple Man as well.I never thought he was a particularly great villain, but now he's just>rape: the character
>>147160468Black latino is a meme and making Miles a goofy Trayvon Martin lookalike instead of a non-nerd lol recipe for disaster
>>147157676>last fuck youforget about last, bendis had a constant hate boner for beast that did not stop. uncanny 600 was literally JUST about making beast the scapegoat and presenting rightclops and magneto as people who can do no wrong, the attitude of which leads straight to krakoa.bendis is cancer for that.
>>147157676What is this guy even doing now? DC made a big deal about his taking over Action Comics and restarting Legion of Superheroes and Young Justice back in 2019. But his run on Action is willfully forgotten by everyone and his other two books were dead in the span of a year.
>>147157676Would Miles still exist now if Spider-Verse was not made? I feel like he would have been written out or killed off by 2018 or so if that movie never came out and made him somewhat popular.
>>147161199>There was a good interview in the early 00s where Bendis talks about how comics ditched the superstar artist model towards the superstar write model which I feel like encapsulates a bunch of the problems we have.As someone who read comics in the 90s that was an incredibly bizarre move. Comics were a visual medium and somewhere around 2013 or so they started really looking lazy if not like complete shit. And all of a sudden the writer was the only thing that mattered. But also villains never ever appear any longer and stories are way more about the guy outside of the mask having personal problems.
>>147157676>And what was his last "fuck you'l" to the fansHis continued existence.
>>147166298A whole generation of superstar artists leaving Marvel to form Image, and becoming a strong competition to the Big 2 basically traumatized Marvel and DC out of ever letting artists become stars on that level ever again, and overcompensating by trying to push the notion of "star writers" and "fan favorite writers". Some of those writers were able to create their own space online and build up a cult of personality around themselves, too.By the 2010s, the big 2 weren't really able to pay most of the top artists who were left to do anything but covers.
>>147166298What >>147166926 saidBut I'll also add:DC was cultivating writers even before the Image guys got big at Marvel. Alan Moore was acclaimed for Swamp Thing in the 80s so it encouraged DC to go recruit some more writers from the UK. Neil Gaiman was one of the most successful of those hired since his Sandman got big in the bookstore market.But even while DC was doing this, artists were still way more popular (you can see this in how Wizard was still focused on Top 10 Artists). You can see the shift somewhere in the mid/late 90s when Image was blamed for the comics crash which allowed people to push the (at the time, reasonable) argument that the writer was important while scapegoating Image as being the sole reason for the comics crash (they weren't). This allowed people with dubious advice to sway the directions of comics and we're now where we're at
